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MSNBC’s Karen Finney Says the Koch Brothers Killed Trayvon Martin

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  March 23rd, 2012 at 07:02 PM  | 

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Trayvon Martin‘s death in Florida is a terrible tragedy made even worse by a police department that seemingly bungled the investigation. There are multiple eyewitnesses, some who saw the shooter, George Zimmerman, yelling for help. Others saw Trayvon Martin yelling for help.

It shouldn’t be a partisan issue.

But MSNBC decided to make it one. According to Karen Finney on MSNBC, the Koch Brothers, NRA, and other conservatives are responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death.

They have blood on their hands because they apparently built a time machine with their billions and went back to 1789 and inserted the second amendment into the Bill of Rights.

Idiot.

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  • kowalski

    Now they’ve started. Expect them to continue.

  • Mr. Sandman

    in the water. Fortunately, MSNBC only has 5 or 6 viewers.

  • Stricia

    I’m astounded a media “professional” would go there, so to speak. However, it IS MSLSD after all. I’m just surprised that this is happening so soon (March).

    As we approach Octoberish — I am more and more relieved that I live far away from the inner city and know how to handle a firearm.

  • runner12

    Why are they using this tragedy like this? I read on Breitbart or the DC (can’t remember) that people are selling t-shirts, water, and snacks at a Sharpton rally. People are making money off of this poor boy’s death.There are even reports that the Nation of Islam is using the rally as a recruiting tool.

    I wanted to throw up when I read that.

    I think everyone needs to calm down and remember that at the end of the day the most important thing is to find out the truth of what happened on that day. Only then will justice be served.

    It is unconscionable that the Left would use a boy’s death to blame Conservatives to try and score political points. This is not about guns, the stand your ground law, or politics. This is about a boy who lost his life.

  • aesthete

    That Means Something, for some reason.

  • mikelindell2

    I’ve heard others blame Newt Gingrich.

  • BuckeyeTexan

    … but you can put your boot on its throat.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    When you are Karen Finney, with a geranium in the cranium, you watch TV.

    When you are Karen Finney and you watch TV, you end up watching some of the recent DirectTV commercials.

    When you are Karen Finney, with a geranium in the cranium, and you end up watching some of the recent DirectTV commericals, you end up deducing that somehow the Koch brothers and the NRA and conservative Republicans caused a 17 year old black young man to be shot by a volunteer neighborhood watch captain.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • civil truth
  • civil truth

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  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    and pretty much have failed ethics 101…

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    The wonderful “logic” of the left tells them that while high gas prices were a bad thing under Bush, they now are a good thing under Obama.

    Thank you.

    CW

  • drivlikejehu

    Nothing new here. The left blames everything on conservatives including tornadoes, so it’s really more newsworthy if somehow they didn’t pin a tragedy on their opponents.

    I still do not understand why conservatives are falling all over themselves to lament this “tragedy.” If Martin did attack Zimmerman as some eyewitnesses told police, it really isn’t a tragedy at all. And in any case, what about all the people murdered every single day?

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    I don’t recall it, either.

    Thank you.

    CW

  • garfieldjl

    The left wants to silence us, so they are trying to come up with any reason they can think of to silence anyone whom is critical of their looney policies.

  • Tbone

    are going to get a lot of people killed. I think that is what they want.

  • greyeagle

    Governor Scott has appointed a Special Prosecutor to handle this case and other state officials are involved. The Sanford Police Chief stepped down. Al Sharpton is creating a huge mess here too. Probably Obama will have the Justice Dept. here too, so no telling what will happen. That city is simply not safe right now and people should stay away. I certainly feel sorry for the family right now that lost their son.

  • westcoastpatriette

    ,,,,,

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    The group gets tehir march orders from Bill Ayers, etal and they’re on record as looking for “another Kent State”.

  • runner12

    NT

  • RSSS

    nt

  • circlegranch

    even upon learning of the death of his own mother. THis young man’s death represents a horrible, unspeakable tragedy. This happens across the country on a daily basis to persons of all races. We have law enforcement and elected officials in place to investigate and carry out the necessary functions to make sure accountability is achieved and justice is done. Alot of conclusions have been reached in the media without any official release of results from investigations. Groups are vowing ‘wanted dead or alive’ revenge. Now this capitalizing on a tragedy as a way to make money.

    When border patrol agents and private land owners are murdered, the Sharpton’s don’t rush in to second guess and create a national uproar. When child rapists escape ICE, as is reported this morning at another news website, where is MSNBC on that story? No one disagrees that what happened in FL is terrible; that is not diminished by any other tragic death, but this is politicized now, and it will spin out control. 2nd Amendment rights will take center stage, Jeb Bush, latest big-time endorser of Romney, signed the Stand Your Ground law so his competence and motives will be rehashed. It all comes together into a political maneuver by the Left. Meanwhile, the rest of the nation–the majority that doesn’t rush to microphones and organize hateful, revenge seeking rallies– mourn the loss of this young man. We pray for his suffering family and for the family of the accused. That should be the tact and focus of any responsible news organization, but then, we’re discussing MSNBC here, aren’t we?

    As for MSNBC hack Karen Finney, please do your homework and get factual information in front of you before you spout off. It was NOT Rush Limbaugh that coined the ‘magic negro’ phrase. Stop lying about that and instead, if you’re looking for a scapegoat that has hurled insults at blacks, then look no further than Rev Al himself when he was trying to run a primary campaign against Obama. Double check your sources to see what Rev Jesse Jackson has said about Obama when he didn’t know there was a mike on. If you truly denounce racial divide and hatred, then do your part and stop spreading your own brand of lies and misleading non-facts.

  • circlegranch

    “Never let a crisis go to waste!”

  • johnt

    is, it seems, coming home. Finney only jumps the starting line somewhat, one small, twisted, voice in an ocean of mindless agression.
    This crap is the arizona shooting all over, the mental telepathy that Palin supposedly exercised. They’re besides themselves and can’t wait for the explosion.
    What’s that old saying about being careful what you wish for?

  • johnt

    Smaller Bush deficts bad, huge Obama/Democrat deficts salvational.
    It comes from being nuts, even though the last 2 Bush years Dems controlled Congress.

  • renl57

    They get to call Republicans racist, and they get to call Republicans backward and primitive for opposing gun control.

    Yes, they are once again demanding gun control.

    Leftism is a chronic disease that only goes into temporary remission.

  • jasonva

    When I heard Obama say, “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon”, I almost threw my computer monitor through the window. Unless you think that “all those people look the same”, his was an objectively false statement. As a father, I can’t imagine how heart-wrenching it would be to lose my son – regardless of whether he was gunned down in cold blood by a racist, trigger-happy vigilante or if he met his end as a result of his own criminal actions. The race industry has trained black culture to react emotionally, en masse, to cases like this out of racial solidarity, and I think it is despicable for Obama, at a time when he could potentially lose the election due to lagging support within the black community, to politicize a situation like this by saying, “Hey cuz – remember, I’m negro, too!”

  • Mike Ferguson

    I did think of a good name for the circus that Sharpton and the feds will cause; Pinhead and the fed.

  • Ned Reck

    Totally agree with the becker.

    Gosh… it’s sad… sure wish there was some way to avoid it.

    If only we had an adult in the White House.

    Ned

  • Ned Reck

    Totally agree with the becker.

    Gosh… it’s sad… sure wish there was some way to avoid it.

    If only we had an adult in the White House.

    Ned

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Don’t know if you’re old enough to remember the Vietnam protests, but these things kind of take on a life of their own, like an avalanche. People like Ayers can motivate some “leaders” who then totally run amok and they do it with very little coordination.

    A few stupid people are, unfortunately, easy to find and easier to motivate.

    My sincere hope in this mess is that blood in the streets will impact Obama like the Detroit, etal riots and the ’68 D convention riots hit LBJ. They elected Nixon. Same thing happens this summer and I think you’ll see an uprising of us common folk against this administration, because people will absolutely link Obama and the Democrats who’ve been either dead quiet about or sucking up to the Occupy “movement”.

    I hope it’s a “Fit meet Shan” moment.

  • demsaresatanic

    another Duke lacrosse hoax, and so on.

  • Ned Reck

    I was thirteen at the time…

    Looking back… people understood… those who saw with their eyes… and heard the chaos with their ears…

    Sure hope there is enough folks out there… who care to inform themselves of the truth.

    But hearing of things like this… makes me afraid for all of us:

    [media]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57398739-504083/militia-group-to-attempt-citizens-arrest-in-fla-shooting-of-trayvon-martin/[/media]

    Ned

  • Adjoran

    And believe it or not, Rachel Maddow is the top-rated non-Fox news talk show, with just under a million viewers on average for the ratings period.

    The wackos on the left need their red meat as much as those on our side – except our nuts want actual red meat, while the leftists serve pink-colored tofu and pretend they like it.

  • Adjoran

    my teenager being gone for three days before I call somebody about it.

    He’s all full of grief for the cameras now that they have a lawyer and expect a payday.

  • Adjoran

    The more scared the leftists are, the fewer you’ll actually have to shoot.

  • Adjoran

    but it isn’t – this case presents as a classic self defense: Zimmerman was on the ground being beaten and crying for help. That was legal grounds for self defense before the new law.

    “Stand your ground” clarifies that a person using legitimate self defense is not obligated to retreat if possible to do so, as a number of states require. You don’t have to back down after the initial response to aggression.

  • Adjoran

    when they blame “Bush’s deficits” for anything, I remind them that most of “his” deficits were run up with a Democratic Congress, and that the final budgets were compromises: Bush wanted lower spending and deficits, Democrats wanted higher of both. So when they now complain about Bush, they must admit “his” deficits would have been even higher if Demcrats had had their way on it.

  • Adjoran

    Check out the guy’s Facebook page, a lot of friends leaving tributes for the almost a month before the story took off, and NONE of them express any anger about it, just sorrow for the guy. NO ONE mentions anything about an injustice, probably because they understood what had happened in the first place, as did the cops.

    All this furor is manufactured for money and politics.

  • Dave_A

    It was either justified self defense before the law, or it’s not justified self defense even after…

    There’s no in-between where ‘Stand Your Ground’ actually makes a difference…

    If the kid committed an offense that justified his being shot, that would have been the same in FL before the new law. The new law just eliminates any requirement to run away before defending yourself, and shields the shooter from being sued in civil court if found to have committed a lawful act of self defense.

    If the kid was chased down by a psychotic suburbanite with a gun, on account of race or ‘not being from around here’ or whatever (the media narrative)… Then SYG doesn’t apply as the shooter was never threatened with criminal harm sufficient to justify self defense.

    Of course you’ll never hear from this in the media…

    I wonder if the local prosecutor is a liberal, using this whole thing to gin up opposition to SYG by claiming it ‘might apply’ where it does not.

  • deVere

    But what is really damaging is so-called conservatives who pander to the left-wing media, and quote their lies as though they were established facts.

    We often say that we understand that the left-wing media is relentlessly slanted against us. But we don’t act like we really understand and accept that fact.

  • Jack_Savage

    From the AP, via Fox News Online:

    “The leader of the New Black Panther Party called for a $10,000 bounty for the man who shot and killed black Florida teen Trayvon Martin, a case that continues spark explosive emotions and strain the country?s racial tensions.

    ?An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth,? New Black Panther leader Mikhail Muhammad said Saturday when he announced the reward at a protest in Sanford, the Orlando suburb where the killing took place.”

    They have played with fire too long, and it seems they aren’t going to be able to contain those who are doing their dirty work for them much longer.

  • mostlyrightcom

    Opportunist never waste a chance to use a tragedy to their benefit. The Trayvon Martin case is a true tragedy that may indeed involve racism. However, the left will use it as a launch pad against the Second Amendment. I write about this on my site www.mostly-right.com Stop by! Thanks.

    Jeff

  • davesinsanantonio

    eat it, but to smear it on the rest of us. They would rather lie and smear than to discuss ideas. That is because they know they will always lose in an honest discussion of facts and logic. They have no interest in honest dialogue, because that will never advance their cause of being able to push the rest of us around.

  • snappy101

    I never heard of Karen Finney. MSNBC is like Channel 186 on my TV dial, which is equivalent to the nosebleed seats in a sports arena. I don’t even channel surf that high and I have Comcast. Don’t they own MSNBC? Apparently, they don’t even think enough of MSNBC to give them a better position on the channels. Based on their ratings I’m convinced that the majority of people who watch MSNBC are other media types. I don’t know a single person that watches MSNBC and I know lefties (they watch PBS news). I would never know I should be outraged over MSNBC if the other media outlets, like this one, weren’t giving them free publicity all of the time by either writing about them or playing their clips. I guess my point is, who cares what some woman most people never heard of, says or thinks? She’s like a tree falling in the forest. when no one is around to hear it. Only you media types tell me there is sound.

  • http://www.johndaly.tv John Daly

    I saw what Karen Finney said on MSNBC. She said the Koch Brothers were behind the Stand Your Ground Laws.

    Unfortunately, this is typical of right-wingers and left-wingers. You hear something and then you twist it — to keep your battles going.

    And no light is shed on a problem. You keep your special, myopic interests in tact — even if they hurt this country.

    There’s a reason right-wingers are called wing nuts. You just proved it with this post. Don’t get me wrong: the left is just as bad.

    Grow up and become an American.

  • josephine

    Mr. Sandman, lend me your ear—this quote needs to tweeted, shared on FB, then it needs to be on Hwy Billboards, then it needs to be said at the dinner table all over the USA. TYVM !

  • ag8tor

    do you keep giving creedence to these morons on PMSNBC? They have proved themselves unfit to be called anything resembling journalists time and time again. The more you quote them you are only giving them credibility. I doubt if even 1/3 of their audiemce even understands what they are trying to say. That one person is your typical obamabot!

  • josephine

    I cut my cable TV in 2006. Finally several months ago, I gave the TV away.
    This works for me.
    These people are communist trash. Has Sharpton paid his back taxes yet, has anyone in DC paid what they owe. Will the t Shirt people pay their taxes.
    Karen Finney’s twitter account is @finneyk.
    I tweet her once a day.
    Rachel Maddow — 1,000,000 viewers
    Rush Limbaugh last count I heard was 23,000,000 viewers that know their stuff.
    After Fox News had Mark of MSCO on, he recieved 38,000 emails in support and 2,000 cussing at him. That is profound and shows where the country is. Don’t let these trash mouths intimidate you. Speak up!
    I’ve been posting these sorts of things on FB, then I was afraid I had gone too for, so I apologized for being so obnoxious. All of the comments that came back, said , in essence…please keep posting.
    Then I heard Bill Cunningham say this, #WE WILL RISE UP LIKE A MIGHTY TSUNAMI AND CLEAN WASHINGTON DC OUT.”
    This Communist Trash will burn be defeated. BE BOLD, BE COURAGEOUS, BE FREE
    That is also profound and says it all.

  • edintexas

    This is nothing new, the Left has been doing this for decades. The answer to “why” is because it has consistently worked to whip up their supporters.

  • geah

    He forgot to blame Sarah Palin, Christians,Jews and of course the Tea Party.

  • freedom555

    a Very Weak Argument.

    The Koch Bros. didn’t load Zimmerman’s gun.

    Pundits of the Left do this all the time. FAR WORSE is when The Right does this overreach in trying to connect dots that are just too far apart.

    WORSE? YES because it always seems foolish and ultimately loses any power to convince.

    I seriously doubt Finney swayed the opinion of any independent observer. And she left those who were prone to agree with her scratching their heads and wondering

    “Jeez, is that the best we can do?”

    I have this same reaction when I read an OVERLY CLEVER bit of mental gymnastics from a conservative pundit.

  • funwithknives

    but consider: to know your opponents is to be able to at least anticipate their predictability.

    We knew this was going to come up, in some form. It was in the cards. From here on, another and another series of more outlandish comments will be uttered, and counter-repeated *facts* will be generated,ad-nauseum.One to reinforce the next, and so-on.

    Then polls will be taken to measure the *outrage*, ‘Americans feel’
    (Pew or NBC/NYT, would be likely)
    All questionable, but absolutely predictable. The sound will be there, have no doubt. So get ready and be amazed (Or not, if you are a cynic, like yours truly)

  • funwithknives

    my area {S/E Mich.} some small notice is taken but it is so common it apparently becomes ” just another day on the planet” to many. Normal, in other words.
    Small demonstrations and ‘the concerned citizens groups’ with Acronyms Galore decry the trend, but little gets accomplished.

    WHY, you ask? Who are there more of ? Hunters or Cowering Hunted?

    Who speaks on MSNBC for all the innocents, herein?? Why is this seen and documented trend not brought up time and again, if Progressives are so child and people oriented?
    WHY
    Indeed……………!!

  • iluvit

    Your supposed argument as an apologist for MSNBC and Finney fails on many levels. First it fails on the fallacious logic with ad hominem attacks and name calling. Secondly you have your facts wrong and totally mischaracterize the entire Finney “piece”. The entire narrative was a blaming of the SYG law and anyone who supports it or gun rights in general. Just so that everyone here can see for themselves that you are either ignorant or lying and have some agenda the following link shows the entire show:

    http://video.msnbc.msn.com/martin-bashir/46838241/#46838241

    IF Zimmerman did indeed chase Zimmerman down and murder him, then I would be outraged if he were not charged, convicted, and executed (if possible under the circumstances). However, any prosecution must only occur based upon evidence and facts which neither you nor I have at the moment. Politics should not be involved in any way. Sometimes, I think the left would call for the ban on bibles if some lunatic beat some black person to death with a bible! Knee jerk broad conclusion and immediate legislation is a solution of the radical left and weak liberals in general.

    Here you will find the best articulation of the solution to the violence in our society and the gun laws arguments. It was written by a retired marine and makes an argument that is difficult to oppose logically.
    “”The Gun Is Civilization” by Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

    Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and
    force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of
    either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under
    threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two
    categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact
    through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social
    interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the
    personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use
    reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your
    threat or employment of force.

    The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on
    equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal
    footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal
    footing with a carload of drunken guys with baseball bats. The gun
    removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a
    potential attacker and a defender.

    There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad
    force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more
    civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm
    makes it easier for an [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course,
    is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed
    either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most
    of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
    young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a
    civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a
    successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force
    monopoly.

    Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
    otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
    several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
    physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute
    lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come
    out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes
    lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not
    the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

    The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an
    octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply
    wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and
    easily employable.

    When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but
    because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I
    cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid,
    but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions
    of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of
    those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…
    and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

    By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

    So, the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally
    armed and can only be persuaded, never forced”

    So John, are you going to join the lynch mob and those who would take away our rights of self-protection before you have the facts? Are you going to blame the gun, the law, or the individual criminal who acts outside the law?

    This will obviously become a secondary battle over gun ownership as progressives will use any possible thread to get there no matter how circuitous the logic may be. They have an agenda will never let facts get in the way.

    It is good to know that the usual top-notch race baiters have lined up to do their usual stirring up the mob thing, i.e., Sharpton, Jackson, and the New Black Panthers.

  • funwithknives

    the statements that “…people exclusively interact through persuasion…” and ‘Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction…”

    So I should just ignore the repeated statements in the Introductory part of the IRS guide and not get Voluntary? Just say no? Where would that get me??

    No doubt Guns would be involved, as well as Uniforms and Badges,and I was harming no one. So where’s the validity?
    It’s also about who’s GOT the gun , {just mebbe’, eh?}

  • rightland1111

    at what is really going one here.

    Like Becker said…this is going to be a very hot summer. Do any of you think this is about civil rights? If anything…it’s about Zimmerman’s civil rights and right now he is in hiding and fearing for his life.

    Did you notice…no mention on Drudge…but on Breitbart that two Mississippi students were shot to death? Were they Black…doubt it..the color was not mentioned. Was it Black on Black…that could be…ummm.

    Well, back to my original hypothesis…do you think that we can either have a (1)…abolishment of 2nd Amendment Rights or (2) martial law declared?

    This is just a smoke screen…just like contraception was for the First Amendment argument and most pundits fell for it hook, line and sinker. Now…we have a person that was shot and it appears that he was beaten, his nose broken, in hiding for his life, the Sanford Police Chief steps down (just in time for Holder), a witness that says that Zimmerman was beaten (Drudge, yesterday) and the media along with civil rights leaders are all wearing “hoodies” to show their solidarity with Trayvon Martin. Just think of that last sentence…”hoodies”!!! What kind of message are we sending here?

    Meanwhile OWS…has joined in to support what has now become the government’s case. Jeb Bush initially said this was not a “Stand Your Ground” argument. Really…well, the guy was being beaten by a 6 foort 3 inch male. As a point of interest…Martin was shot in the chest…not in the back as initially reported on some dot coms..

    So…has this Nation become divided? I guess so. What was it that Rambo said…Never let a crisis go to waste. Martial Law…and no election? Maybe. At the very least…the 2nd Amendment in question.

    America…YOUR FREEDOM IS EVAPORATING. Meanwhile…no mention from Santorum or Romney about letting a jury decide and letting the evidence come forward. Oh well…I guess they didn’t think about that or are just being politically correct.

    Why did we let Perry go?

  • amethyst210

    Ed Schultz, another attack dog for msnbc, said Jeb Bush is to blame for signing the “stand your ground” law. They speak with “forked tongue” … ‘scuse me .. .don’t mean for that to be a ethnic slur toward American Indians…just an observation.

  • spolson

    If o don’t stop Puttng adds over the text of your stories to convince me to sign up for the morning report I will unsubscribe. How insulting rude and stupid,.

  • travis690

    Did this idiot see the door close in front of her the day God was passing out brains?

    Dd she also think the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords was politically motivated? Probably did.

    What did she think about the…well, that doesn’t matter; she’s just being a good leftist who feels more comfortable being on the losing side of every issue. By being on the losing side, it gives her a better opportunity to say stupid things like what she did above.

    After all, the ones that are right don’t self-promote it in the losers’ faces.