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A Self-Inflicted Hubris Shot to the Head

Mike Wallace is dead.

Growing up, I’d spend the summer away from Dubai at my grandparents’ home in Louisiana. Sunday nights were back to back Murder She Wrote and 60 Minutes.

Many conservatives would accuse Mike Wallace and 60 Minutes of a liberal view point and shading stories to match their world view. Growing up, 60 Minutes was, to me, journalism done right. They asked questions and got answers and highlighted problems and, though sometimes falling short of the goal, tried not to put themselves in the story.

I’d like to think that if Mike Wallace were able in his latter days, he’d be kicking the asses of most of the journalists who have dared weigh in on the Trayvon Martin killing for destroying the integrity of a tragic story in the name of agenda journalism.

Just about every single network and journalist who has touched on the Trayvon Martin matter should be deeply and terribly ashamed of themselves. I am disgusted by just how badly the media has botched the handling of a very real tragedy.

What we know is that Trayvon Martin was killed.

We know that the 911 operator told George Zimmernan not to follow Trayvon Martin, but he did anyway.

We know, from Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, that Trayvon was being following and a scuffle happened.

We know from an eyewitness that Trayvon Martin was on top of George Zimmerman beating up George Zimmerman.

We know from that same eyewitness that George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.

We know that for a month, until outrage built, the police did nothing and treated this case as a matter of self-defense under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” statute.

This whole sordid story is a tragedy in and of itself.

But then there is the other tragedy.

We know that journalists spent a good bit of time trying to decide if George Zimmerman said “punks” or a racial slur on a 911 tape.

We know that journalists tried to prove that George Zimmerman had no lacerations on the back of his neck and certainly did not look like he’d been beaten up contrary to the eye witness and others there that night.

We know that journalists edited the tape of George Zimmerman’s 911 call to make it sound like Zimmerman was concerned because Trayvon Martin was black.

We know journalists have repeated used old photographs of Trayvon Martin that give him a more youthful, innocent appearance while using George Zimmerman’s mugshot.

We know that journalists first ran out the door with “white on black crime” as a headline only to have to walk it back when the white guy appeared a bit too hispanic to keep up that pretense.

We know that an NBC personality went on CNN with a CNN personality and had the audacity to attack the CNN personality for daring to suggest there might be more than one side to the story.

Each of these acts is troubling.

Instead of the facts, journalists decided to do what they do in pretty much every story these days — make it a victim vs. victimizer story. They sensationalized parts of the story, dramatized parts of the story, and fictionalized parts of the story. Instead of letting the facts decide the winner and loser, the journalists decided who would win and who would lose the story.

In one clear attempt when a journalist, Piers Morgan of CNN, tried to actually suggest there might be a larger story, an NBC personality of the network that edited a 911 tape to make it look even more damning, was offended at the very thought of there being a bigger story.

Journalists believe that even though we have our nation’s first black President we still have all sorts of racial problems in this country. And with the Trayvon Martin story, instead of trying to be a force for good in honestly resolving those issues, the journalistic community has poured salt on the wounds.

Trayvon Martin died a tragic death. There are many questions that should be answered. But in trying to help answer those questions, the media has allowed itself to become part of the story. The journalists involved should all be ashamed of their conduct.

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COMMENTS

  • hwgood

    …when they interfere with the liberal agenda.
    That’s the technique of the Left Stream Media. And of course, we can’t let a crisis go to waste. If the crisis has to be invented, so be it.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    don’t be fooled, unlike his Son, he was a doctrinaire left winger who was often very biased and did not even recognize it. He was, however a real investigative reporter and heaven knows we have few of those around anymore.

  • josephine

    I think you’re being much too nice this morning.
    This unfortunate circumstance was taken over by the statist press and that race baiting Al Sharpton and used by the Left to create an opportunity for Obama. Everything they do is for Obama, Obama.
    America is teetering under the new IRS agents and we have a scungey “JamesBrown Worshipper” trying to lead our fellow black Americans in anarchy.
    I am not sure what went on that night. It is none of my business actually. And I am not inclined to believe Trayvon’s girl friend, and even if I did, every educated American, knows her testimony is “heresay”. Boy – you seem to have struck a cord with me. I am so sick of OBAMA OBAMA this morning, I could just scream.
    If I was George Zimmerman’s father, I would sue the devil out of NBC,ABC,CNN,CBS and AL Sharpton. I hope he will. They have just about lynched the man, and I thought that was against the law as of 100 years ago. This is retribution, Erick, and don’t you go fooling yourself. OBAMA OBAMA is leading the pack.
    My condolences go out to Chris Wallace, he and his father are and were respectable and very capable journalists.

  • amazedamerican

    Josephine said it all and said it well.

  • jiminga

    Hear! Hear! The coverage has been so bad I have begun to tune out all reporting on the tragedy. I’ll wait until an official decision is made.

  • almedadrtuten

    In all of my correspondence with my activist friends I stress the absolute importance of stating the facts, without any emblishments. If the absolute facts are not available be careful of how you respond. You state: “We know that the 911 operator told George Zimmernan not to follow Trayvon Martin, but he did anyway.” There are two sides of that story and unless I missed something, whether Zimmerman continued to follow Martin or he turned back towards his vehicle has not been established as yet. Anyhow, I agree with hwgood, as tragic as this story is, that this is just one more crisis being exploited for the purpose of re-electing Obama and the destruction our our country.

  • Adjoran

    and would spend hours with a subject, being friendly, softening him up, then hit him with wild accusations and edit his reactions and answers to make him look bad.

    YOUR facts are wrong in the Martin case, too.

    There is NO evidence Zimmerman followed Martin after the dispatcher said, “We don’t need you to do that” – which, according to Sandford PD, is NOT a police order.

    The girlfriend’s evidence is uncorroborated and comes only through the race pimp attorney Ben Crump.

    Police did NOT “do nothing” – they investigated at the scene, took witness statements, and interviewed Zimmerman for hours there and at the station without an attorney and found no probable cause to arrest him, which is required under Florida law to keep immunity for the cop, department, and municipality.

    There has not be one single shred of evidence to contradict Zimmerman’s account that we know of, and plenty to confirm it. The case presents as classic self defense UNLESS Zimmerman struck the first blow, and there is no evidence of that.

  • Crash71234

    is as pathetic as his father and should be replaced by Shannon Bream full time.

  • warrior300

    I have a concern of my own with “Red State”, and I genuinely hope with all my heart that I am wrong or will be proven wrong. Last week Monday the five conservative members of the U.S. Supreme Court handed down a decision that can allow strip searches under almost any circumstances for something as minor as not wearing one’s seat belt. I did not see this issue raised anywhere on “Red State”. I scoured last week’s blog posts twice, and a third time for Tuesday’s and Wednesday’s posts.

    Please tell me somehow I missed the post, and where I may find it. I find such action by the court egregious, and even more egregious the fact that a conservative site may be so embarrassed by this decision, that it may have decided to ignore reporting and commenting on the decision altogether.

    For more than the last three years I have watched the democrats systematically pass or attempt to pass legislation, or hand down presidential decrees that continue to dangerously erode or personal freedoms on many levels. Just when I am convinced we live in a leftist-fascist state, then comes along this court decision handed down by conservative judges. I fear for our country, particularly what both sides of the aisle are preparing for this country and the American people. We certainly haven’t been a constitutional republic for some time.

  • Michael M. Keohane

    only where a person is being placed in jail. This is a matter of treating all detainees in the same manner to avoid contraband being smuggled into the jail.

  • renl57

    I get your point about the Trayvon controversy (which I haven’t even bothered to follow myself).

    But your claim that Mike Wallace of “60 Minutes” fame would be embarrassed by such a story with a victim/victimizer narrative, is false.

    In fact, many “60 Minutes” stories were cleverly written and edited to have a clear villain vs. the innocents he’s victimizing. It was rare to see a story where all sides in an issue had some good points to make and there were no easy answers.

    And Wallace did his best to pose “gotcha” questions that would trip up the person he was interviewing. All the while, the camera would zoom in on the person’s face until it more than filled the TV screen, to subliminally amplify in the viewer’s mind the person’s eyeblinks or dry mouth. The camera NEVER zoomed in on Wallace’s face like that.

    (Just by checking the amount of zoom on the camera, you could tell whether Wallace considered that person being interviewed the villain.)

    A good example was the way Wallace went after General William Westmoreland, actually accusing him of leading a conspiracy to fool the American public over what was happening in the Vietnam war. The camera zoomed in on his face to amplify his mouth becoming dry in response to Wallace’s questions.

    http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=uncountedene

    That’s not good journalism. That’s subliminal propaganda.

  • wintermute

    Its only when being jailed. I have concerns about it but if you’re concerned about journalistic integrity lets not go all alex jones.

  • anjinconsulting

    designed to pique the interest of a viewing population who, to a large extent, cannot or will not do any critical thinking or thoughful consideration of the material presented. The marketing approach to the delivery of what is passed on as “News” dovetails with the apparent inability of the public school system to produce students who lack the fundamental skills to read comprehensively and to to solve math and science problems using fundamental analytical methods.

    If you doubt this, ask someone to forego TV for a few days and watch the reaction.

  • daylightsavings

    conservatives are all for “personal liberty”, but a group of right leaning men in black robes have made another disasterous decision with the ‘strip search”decision, and conservatives are quiet about it.

    maybe because it is the same group that decided that corporations are people and, as such, can funnel unlimited $$$ into elections to keep legislation on the side of the global corporations.

    no conservative is going to piss off the supreme court now that they have that group in their pockets.

  • Viet71

    Zimmerman killed Martin; lawfully or otherwise, we don’t know.

    So-called journalists killed the truth, deliberately, and in cold blood. But that’s old news. Mainline, Establlisment journalists always have been jackals. Woodward and Bernstein did a very good job of making the American people believe journalists were people of integrity. Walter Cronkite — what not to like about him?

    Thing is, Cronkite was a doofus about Vietnam, and Woodward is one of the greatest journo-con men in history.

    As for Mike Wallace? I suspect he’ll be a cipher in history books.

  • nunleigh

    Is that what they will feel when blood is shed again? Radicals have gathered in the streets from both sides with the flames of hatred fanned by a media looking for a sensational story. Greed? Ashamed? I doubt they will take any responsibility when the street fights start. They will be there drooling over the “news” they helped to create. They have been licking their chops from the beginning of the historic first black President’s term in office. Somewhere, someone must be hating this man! Find them! How about we crop the head of the black man with the rifle on his back in Arizona and claim he is a white “tea bagger”. How about we constantly call out anyone who disagrees with Socialist policies a racist. Who are these people who call themselves journalists? Do they love our country? We are all in grave danger. God help us and God help our falling nation.

  • streiff

    we are all volunteers. We don’t cover every issue. We just don’t have the time.

    Secondly, your description of the decision is so wrong that it borders on the dishonest.

    It allows for strip searches in cases where a person has been arrested and it is going to be admitted to the general population at a jail.

  • runner12

    the hackery and plain distortion of the truth the media has been engaged in regarding the Trayvon Martin case. However, he also engaged in liberal bias frequently on 60 minutes and is not someone I would characterize as an objective journalist. But compared to the general buffoonery the media engages in nowadays, he rather does stand out in contrast somewhat.

    As for the Martin case, I have stopped stating what I do and do not know. There are just too many conflicting statements to know where the truth lies. Once the investigation is finished, then we will have a better idea of what happened that night.

  • daylightsavings

    critical thinking is a lost art…along with writing skills. a shame.

  • veritaseequitas

    “jounalists” obfuscating the truth and outright lying about the Trayvon Martin incident, is the fact that The O Team involved himself in it along with our resident race hustlers and the NBPP. This has turned into the most vile incidence of black on white racism and black on white terroristic threats that I can ever recall.
    The fact that the inimitably useless Eric Holder is doing nothing about this is shameful. Working Americans pay the salaries of everyone who works in government. That a vicious fringe segment of society can publicly and freely threaten the lives of other Americans and be encourage through inaction on the part of our elected officials and the media is disgraceful.
    Race relations were not an issue until the Great Black Hope was elected to office. Now, because The O Team wants to rile up the black population to ensure they vote for him this November, he is willing to destroy the work that has been done over the past 50 years to improve race relations.
    Barack Obama is a disgrace to the office of the United States. He is purposely doing a disservice to all Americans, including “his people.”
    Barack Obama MUST be dismissed from office in November in order for our country to once again prosper.

  • lakecrazy

    I keep hearing (reading) that Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after the dispatcher said he didn’t have to anymore. We don’t KNOW this..in fact I’ve heard (read) he was looking for the address not Martin and heading back to vehicle. So let’s stop spreading “facts” around and let the police release the facts.

  • barleycorn

    “Journalistic Integrity”? RedState is a POLITICAL site with the stated intention of helping to elect conservatives and Republicans. While certainly the intent (and I speak only as an observer) is to be honest and factual, RedState has no obligation to jump up and down and wave a red flag every time a conservative goofs up.

    Why not take your snark to other sites who DO claim to be unbiased arbiters of current events and try to get them to clean up their act? Here’s a list to help you get started:

    ABC
    NBC
    CBS
    CNN
    MSNBC
    NPR
    WaPo
    NY Times
    LA Times

  • westcoastpatriette

    about no one at RS writing about the strip search case.

    http://www.redstate.com/davenj1/2012/03/27/the-strange-case-of-a-new-jersey-strip-search/

  • westcoastpatriette

    write your own diary about it. That’s how it works here.

  • wintermute

    not sure how he missed that, first 2 results in search for “strip search” were that post and his subsequent update of it.

  • Bill S

  • Common_Cents

    I’m shocked we dismiss the danger of the leftist propaganda media. There are many stories of media bias but no plan ever to combat them.

    The leftist propaganda media gives obama and the left cover to do what they do. If we had even a whiff of fair reporting, the left would never get away with what they do.

    There are even reports that the white house has deals w/ media for access to write books(lucrative for reporter) in return for overlooking and going easy. Kind of like CNN doing the deal w/ Saddam Hussein.

  • Scope

    two of the eye witnesses onto his show, Mary and Selma, who lived in one of the apartments that backed up to the area of the shooting. They were interviewed the night of the shooting. Mary told the police she didn’t want to get involved, Selma gave a signed sworn statement, that backed up what Zimmerman had claimed. They never saw the incident, but heard the screams and then they said there were two gunshots (there was only one gunshot). Only then did they go to their patio to see what had happened. A few days later they contacted the Martin’s attorney, and changed their tune. They said the police weren’t interested in what they had to say. Selma contradicted her earlier sworn statement on the Piers Morgan show, according to the police.

    Mary and Selma are represented by Benjamin Crump, the Martin’s attorney, who was the one who immediately called his friends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as soon as Mr. Martin called him. Mr. Crump was the attorney that represented the young black male’s family, who died at a youth detention camp in Fla. The people accused of the killing of the youth were later exonerated, but only after the camp was closed. Mr. Crump, along with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were at the heart of sensationalizing that story as well.

    We know the MO of the race baiters, they never let a crisis go to waste, even when they have to turn events into crises. Unfortunately, we can add the president to that list with his statement about Trayvon, and when he told his supporters to “get in their faces.” We can also add Eric Holder to the list with his unexplained rejection of the already won Phila. Black Panther Party lawsuit. Samir Shabazz, one of those arrested for voter intimidation has hightailed it to Fla.

    When the Black Panthers put a bounty on the head of George Zimmerman, Obama and Holder were silent. Here is a link to the phone call conducted by the Black Panthers, and you can bet the streets of Sanford will be on fire no matter the outcome in the Zimmerman/Martin incident. Combine that with the promise of an “Arab spring” in the streets of the US this summer. I’m getting the felling that the Rodney King riots are going to look like a walk in the park.

  • Tbone

    The vast majority of “journalists” are so morally bankrupt they don’t even know right from wrong.

    I was not not a fan of Mike Wallace as he was a “gotcha” journalist who is one of the one s who was a bad roll model for the barely literate lynch mob we have today.

  • justperhaps45

    It will be George’s fault, Z or B. They will miss the inciteful acts. Didn’t you know that logical progressions skip the insignificant?

  • funwithknives

    {Corporations, in a resonable person’s mindIi would dare say} got a total pass where your *sample of outrage*, was concerned.

    If you study the previous SCOTUS decisions {I know, Boring!!!}Re; The 14th Amendment you will find “Citizens United” did have lawful, majority precendence.

    The obvious fact you too, fell for ‘warrior300′ ‘s inaccuracies tells me you won’t be looking up much regarding these rulings or jurisprudence.
    anytime soon.

    So, what were you saying….??

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    it looks like he doesn’t have the ability to write a diary yet.

    Still…that doesn’t mean anyone here has to write about every topic he thinks is important.

  • funwithknives

    Headline was: “Six shots fired at unmanned police car,in Sanford ,Florida….”

    Remember now, this is as good as it is going to get, for quite a while.

  • dmt1021

    The SCOTUS decision simply upheld the rights of Correction Officers to decide whether or not a given detainee could be strip searched. There’s a slew of whackjobs being detained for a huge variety of reasons and the CO’s safety should not be sacrificed on the alter of one’s right to privacy or anything else. The safety of the Correction Officer should be paramount. The SCOTUS decision didn’t mandate it, nor prohibit it. It simply allowed it, which is consistent with the democratic idea that decisions should be made at the level of government closest to the people. And one can’t get much closer than doing a strip search…

  • johnt

    That’s 1976. Frank Sesno would toss Mondale an eclair,” what are your plans for American education” type, then go to Dole, repeatedly, and query him on Watergate, of which Dole had nothing to do. True Sesno was dumber than most, & that’s saying a lot, but the slant was still pervasive. More so post Watergate when the Illiterati that form the media started to feel their oats, started to think their pathetic selves a superior type of being.
    Maybe we took it for granted, not knowing any better. Maybe we needed an alternate media to compare and see just how noxious the media was. Though now to them “diversity” is a bad thing, total control a lust eluding them.
    The Martin story no surprise, only another weapon against the people and Nation they detest.

  • funwithknives

    and no one is in your line. Your show must not be worth much or someone, anyone would be standing in it .

    You and i must be watching different *Chris Wallaces.* Just goes to show you can’t please everyone and you should never even try.

    They either line up, or they don’t ,right? What’re your ratings?

  • funwithknives

    on “Hannity” last night and my blood went cold. Literally. “Black Panther Radio”?? Really? Where in hell have I been?

    Where are the MM’s and CAP’s demanding this scourge be De-Aired? All we hear is: NADA,zilch, zip. Will Barry get on the Podium, rev up the ‘prompter and even mention this ongoing accelerating tidal wave of anarchy in the making?
    There’s coalition building, and just plain stupid. Grassley had it 200% correct. Barry’s gonna prove him right or get in front of this, “….just in the nick of time….” Where’s your money going?

  • bigbird101

    Dear Warrior, Just let it go. These things happen and you voiced your opinion very elequently. Thank you for that. Now having said that, RED STATE has too much going on that is absolutely right on target for me as well as many others. I can forgive a “now and then low blow, and I simply move on ….with all that is out there and this president who has seized power from day one to become ‘ dicatator in chief, abusing the word ‘power’ every day…let’s FOCUS ON STOPPING THIS MAD MAN, and taking back out country!

  • evilbloggerlady

    Did Zimmerman retreat after following Martin and did Martin then follow? That is the critical fact (because if he did then he is probably not guilty of anything other than perhaps bad judgment). And that can be determined from comparing where the shot was fired in relation to Zimmerman’s vehicle (the closer to the vehicle the less likely Zimmerman kept following…).

    But you are right, the media covering of this event has been tragic. The goal should be justice, not vengeance.

  • shredder

    Have you actually read the Citizens United opinion. Not the one given by the media mind you. I’m talking about the one written by SCOTUS. The holding (which, as stated elsewhere in this thread, is grounded in solid precedent) has nothing to do with corporate personhood and everything to do with YOUR PERSONAL FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

    Do I have your attention now? Great :)

    The holding reviews First Amendment jurisprudence and discusses the DUAL (meaning two) aspects of the right to free speech. You’re familiar with the first aspect, opening your mouth :)

    The second aspect is paid little attention because we take it for granted. It’s the right to LISTEN. That’s right. We have a right to listen to what someone has to say.

    So read that opinion again. It says that we, as Americans, have a right to listen to what groups have to say. Lord knows if we didn’t, we would be able to shut down those pesky mass media idiots ;)

  • http://www.itsaboutliberty.com IronDioPriest

    “We know that the 911 operator told George Zimmernan not to follow Trayvon Martin, but he did anyway.”

    With respect, this is not a supported fact, but a supposition made early on by those who distorted the story in the first place. We know that the 911 dispatcher said, “You don’t need to do that”, and we know that Zimmerman said, “OK.”

    There is no conclusive evidence that Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after the dispatcher told him not to.

  • spook

    Please try to get your terms and law right. Stand your ground has nothing to do with Self defense.

    When Zimmerman was attacked by Martin he became the victim of assault.

    Stand your Ground was enacted because under the law the victim (Zimmerman) had a duty to run if attached.

    In Self Defense the victim is being attacked his head being slammed in to the pavement and the victim (Zimmerman) has a right to defend his self by what means necessary to stop the assault.

    Former muder investigator for over 20 years.

  • http://parsoned.blogspot.com parsoned

    Frank Sesno graduated from college in 1977. Are you sure you’re referencing the right journalist?

  • uselogic

    “The girlfriend?s evidence is uncorroborated and comes only through the race pimp attorney Ben Crump.”

    Although I agree with Erick’s salient points about the media.

  • rightlane1111

    http://times247.com/articles/obama-wants-a-one-party-media

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Being organized and rational in taking down someone with gotcha journalism is better than the “run at them full bore with total lies and an open agenda” sort of journalism?

    Technically, yes, it’s done “better” but it’s still a cloaked biased agenda driven setup with the shroud of “journalistic integrity” because they were carefully selective with their targets and their handling of the matter at hand.

    I remember being all full of the fluff of “unbiased journalism” of CBS/60 Minutes etc when I was a child. Then it was either CBS or 60 Minutes, (it was ages ago) ran a fluff piece about the Cuban revolution and how it was going on peachy keen and how they were preparing to keep the struggle going etc that was little more than a propaganda piece for communism and my inner skeptic has been going since.

    In a sense we are better off that the next generation of people running things in the msm are not as good at the job of lying/being dis-informative as the older generation but, in my opinion, without the internet we’d be living in a darkness of misinformation that Orwell warned us about. We were heading there with all the PC stuff during the Clinton years until those darned kids and their internet things got involved later on.

    It’s a very hard thing when you trust someone/look at them as a hero because others tell you they’re great/have integrity etc and it takes a lot out of you when the “hero” turns out to be only a hero from a viewpoint instead of a hero because of fact. The story of mankind is full of these people and Wallace, in my opinion, was likely one of them.

  • Scope

    is trying his hardest to fill his dad’s shoes with the gotcha question’s. “Are you a flake?” he asked Michele Bachman. If you watched Chris Wallace interviewing the GOP presidential candidates, he was horrendous, for all but Romney. Chris Wallace is a registered Democrat. Chris Wallace is his father’s son, through and through.

  • UpLateAgain

    much of what you alleged we know.

    We DON’T know, for example, that Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after the dispatcher said not-to. That allegation has been repeated thousands of times to the point of being accepted as fact, but Zimmerman claims he did not, and a good deal of the ALLEGED evidence now supports that. If and when it becomes actual evidence, then we’ll know.

    Martin’s girlfriend cannot say when the scuffle ensued. She wasn’t on the phone with Martin when that occurred. Zimmerman alleges he had lost sight of Martin and returned to his car where Zimmerman had circled around the building and then assaulted him. WE DON’T KNOW.

    The eyewitness did NOT see Zimmerman shoot Martin. He went to call 911, and the shooting occurred while he was gone. That is a moot point because Zimmerman admits to shooting Martin, but your statement is an example of the kind of factual inaccuracy that is floating around the net and making people crazy.

    In truth, all these points actually make your case regarding media irresponsibility even more apparent, because they are supposed ‘facts’ that have oft repeated to the point of becoming dogma in the case. These ‘facts’ are likely to be main points of contention if this ever goes to trial…… and a good deal of Zimmermen’s guilt or innocence may well hang on them.

  • UpLateAgain

    I could not agree more!

  • UpLateAgain

    The Florida law on this issue is sufficiently complex that they sought a state attorney’s opinion before proceeding.

    I’ve read through at least some of the Florida statutes that apply in this case (782.02, 782.07, 782.11, 766.012, 766.013(C), 766.031, and 766.032), and they are all intertwined, reference each other in various ways, and form a complex matrix of legal requirements that have knotted up the Florida courts since 766.012 was passed into law.

    I don’t blame the cops for seeking a legal opinion. Even Florida lawyers and judges have a variety of opinion on exactly what self-defense in Florida really means.

  • http://www.periodictablet.com superamerican

    60 Minutes began with Mike Wallace and honest investigative reporting. But it has followed the liberal media downward.

    The despicable “reporting” of the Far-left media is business as usual. Just wait for the election to get going.

  • swami7774

    …the MSM has ignored at least two black-on-white retaliation attacks–one that left a 50-year old man on life support, the other that was proclaimed “for Trayvon” by the attackers.

  • johnt

    I must have confused my partisan media hacks, Thanks.
    I did check the media line up for that debate, in spirit if not in accuracy, a truly sorry bunch.

  • http://www.redstate.com/wp-admin/user/profile.php docfreeman

    Sounds like another Arlen Spector.

  • Common_Cents

    I’d love to see it. He had plenty of time to do it over his career. I’ve never read any quotes from Wallace down this path. Would love to see them if they exist.

  • swami7774

    Make that “the MSM has ignored at least THREE black-on-white retaliation attacks…”

    http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120409/ARTICLES/120409617/1182?Title=Man-tells-police-group-yelled-8216-Trayvon-then-beat-him

  • aspromised

    I don’t know when it happened, exactly, but over the years it seems that we learn/hear more about any case long before a trial, so much so that it seems there’s nothing left to present at a trial! I guess a big part of it is lawyers spilling everything (anything to get a little P.R.?), witnesses babbling to whoever will listen. Police leaks, prosecutor leaks…. it’s non-stop. There is no doubt that any case resulting in death of an unarmed man deserves a more thorough investigation than this one initially received. It is nowhere near an open-and-shut case of self-defense.
    I hate how it’s become all about race as I’m not at all sure that really played a role in it. A self-appointed wanna-be-cop packing a gun is really the root of it (IMHO) not race. Even the victim’s family didn’t start out crying racism, they just wanted to know how and why this tragedy was fading away with no real explanation – and I don’t think we can blame them for that.
    Perhaps the ultimate irony is that if it had been properly and thoroughly handled in the first place it would never have heated up to where it is now. The story would have been a blip in the local paper.

  • bassethound

    They would have questioned Zimmerman and quietly let him go. It might have made the ‘blood and guts” section of the Orlando Sentinel. It might have gotten one night of air play on the 10 PM news.

    But as it is, the media have destroyed Zimmerman’s life because their Enlightened President can’t run on his record. He has to keep the base ginned up.

    I hope Zimmerman fares better than poor Richard Jewell who died in 2007 of a heart attack at 44.

  • its2011

    A witness to every thing but the shooting… No one will ever know the truth, but that doesn’t matter when there is money to be made. The new$ media entertainment industry i$ not concerned with ju$tice or the truth.

    IMO – The police either bungled or ensured that the retired judges son would walk.

  • UpLateAgain

    of media explosion over the Tulsa shootings. You’d think that they would be jumping all over them….. touting them as even more proof of the ‘widespread systemic racism’ they claim dominates this country. I wonder if maybe they aren’t feeling just a bit stung by the backlash to their obvious blowing of the Martin case.

  • CrabCakes

    The reaction to the Trayvon Martin incident wasn’t because a white/hispanic guy killed a black kid. The reaction was because of the perceived mishandling of the case by the police, along with a strong suspicion that the alleged mishandling was motivated at least in part by the race of the victim.

  • streiff

    and idiots.

  • CrabCakes

    I’d rather they did it on their own, though.

  • UpLateAgain

    That law enforcement wasn’t doing its job shows your profound ignorance of what law enforcement’s job actually is… and not a lot more.

    It’s law enforcement’s job to keep the peace where they can, stop the escalation of violence and/or crime, investigate potential criminal activity, and make arrests where appropriate. ALL OF WHICH THEY DID. It would have been ABSOLUTELY 100% inappropriate for the police to arrest Zimmerman when the state’s attorney on the scene told them not to.

    After the state’s attorney makes that determination, it is not only inappropriate, it is factually a violation of Zimmerman’s civil rights to do so without an arrest warrant having been issued by a Grand Jury or competent judicial authority. The Constitution (you remember that document?) prohibits it. The police ONLY have a legal ability to make probable cause arrests contemporaneously with the investigation and that ability ONLY exists until the case is reviewed by prosecutorial authority.

    Your accusation that the police were not doing their job displays not their incompetence so much as your ignorance of the law and how our criminal justice system works.

  • jakeofalltrades

    The police ONLY have a legal ability to make probable cause arrests

    Technically, they can only make reasonable arrests. Obviously, given everything they saw, they thought it a clear case of self defense. I hope they take the stand so that Zimmerman’s lawyers can ask them why they didn’t charge him (“state of mind, your honor”).

  • Scope

    where the race baiters don’t automatically deem you guilty by the leftist media. I truly don’t know that I have ever seen a more stupid, insane, and low IQ comment here on the pages of RS. That you believe that the race baiters and the idiots should now be in charge of law enforcement, should scare the ever living crap out of anyone that reads your crap. So you have bought into mob rule. What an upstanding citizen you are, NOT.

  • Tbone

    CrabCakes for Brains?

    Thank you.

  • freedom555

    So why is it that the MSM isn’t presenting the Tulsa shootings as “even more proof of the widespread systemic racism they claim dominates this country.” ?

    “Widespread System ic Racism” ? Well, I’m sure that someone-somewhere is claiming Tulsa as an example…….but NO, I don’t think there’s a wide audience for such a point of view.

  • freedom555

    ‘WHY?’ is a key question here.

  • warrior300

    Here’s a link from “Yolo”, read this and then tell me people are not being stripped-searched even when they are innocent. Of course what’s the big deal about one having to life their genitals or squat for body cavity searches, when typical American kids have already seen far more in their share of porn videos before they even reach puberty.

    http://www.yolohub.com/featured/america-2012-the-supreme-court-has-made-it-legal-for-the-police-to-strip-search-you-any-time-they-want

  • UpLateAgain

    That is the question, and the answer is going to come out at trial if at all.

    I just get tired of people blaming the police when they refuse to violate the principles our criminal justice system is based upon.

  • EMT907

    “We know that the 911 operator told George Zimmernan not to follow Trayvon Martin, but he did anyway.”

    Do we? Or is that the narrative oft repeated?

    “We know that for a month, until outrage built, the police did nothing and treated this case as a matter of self-defense under Florida?s ?Stand Your Ground? statute.”

    Do we? We know that the Sanford PD conducted an investigation which concluded a week or so later. The manufactured “outrage” didn’t build until the results were made public. Much like the Florida election, folks didn’t get the results they wanted so they went moonbat#@$^crazy demanding the right results.

    “We know journalists have repeated used old photographs of Trayvon Martin that give him a more youthful, innocent appearance”

    To be fair: Somebody brought up that point on a FB post by 970 WFLA using one of those pics. Somebody complained and they explained that those were the only photos given to the media. I’m sure that Crump dude had a hand in that. Sorta like dressing up your defendant in a suit. It’s a play on emotions.

    Therefore, based on that, I don’t exactly blame the media as much as those who released the photos to the public. They had more recent photos but were probably like his Twitter pics which weren’t very flattering.