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The Second Coming of American Liberal Fascism?

During the Bush years, Bush was often compared to Hitler or Mussolini,. The focus of the attacks had to do with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and angst over the supposed erosion of civil liberties due to warrantless wiretaps, among other things. There was a lot of hyperbole. Bush was a monkey, a Nazi, a Fascist, the devil’s spawn. The hyperbole became so hysterical some conservatives jokingly took to calling President Bush “Chimpy McBushHitler Halliburton.” Many on the right go too far in attacking the motives of President Obama in the same way the left attacked Bush. It is neither rational nor sane.

President Obama is, unlike President Bush, a progressive, but he is not a fascist.

One must be careful to say such things clearly these days lest the outrage pimps on the left try to drum up outrage on less than clear precision of word choice. President Obama does however, like President Woodrow Wilson, seek to harness the power of the state for the collective good of the American people, even at the expense of the individual. Many on the right view it as a European style socialist tendency because he does so in the name of fairness and believes the government should decide what each citizen’s fair share is. Consider President Obama’s recent speeches on the free market and individualism and compare them to Woodrow Wilson saying, “American is not now and cannot in the future be a place for unrestricted individual enterprise.”

“Reasonable” people do not often talk of fascism in the modern American state, but fascist tendencies from an earlier time in American history, properly understood, are rearing up among progressives again as President Obama amps up his heated rhetoric against free enterprise, conservatives, and the wealthy. While President Obama is not a part of what it happening, it is clear progressives, inspired by his agenda, have taken matters into their own hands to extremes we have not seen for a hundred years.

Fascism, properly understood, is not a right-wing ideology. While many characterize it as such, Wikipedia, of all places, has a pretty accurate rendering, explaining that

[f]ascists advocate a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation, the use of state enterprise where private enterprise is failing or is inefficient, and autarky.

During the First World War, Woodrow Wilson and the progressive movement used war as a means to rally society to the collective good of the nation. George Perkins, a financier of progressive causes at the time, boasted that the First World War “is striking down individualism and building up collectivism.” Michael McGerr, in his book A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, cited one progressive who championed the war claiming, “Laissez-faire is dead. Long live social control.”

Jonah Goldberg, in his well regarded book Liberal Fascism, noted that “[m]ore dissidents were arrested or jailed in a few years under Wilson than under Mussolini during the entire 1920s.” Americans often ignore our history and often the media forgets history when it choses to report or not report something.

In May of 1918, several hundred publications were denied access to the postal service. As Goldberg documented in Liberal Fascism, “In Wisconsin a state official got two and a half years for criticizing a Red Cross fund-raising drive. A Hollywood producer received a ten-year stint in jail for making a film that depicted British troops committing atrocities during the American Revolution. One man was brought to trial for explaining in his own home why he didn’t want to buy Liberty Bonds.”

This was the state acting on its own. Consider though the American Protective League, officially approved by then Attorney General Thomas Gregory, and composed of private citizens acting as a “secret” organization. The organization harassed individuals and businesses, threatening and bullying any who stood in the way of the goals of the state. They spied on their neighbors, read their mail, and acted in ways similar to the variously colored shirted organizations in Europe and former European colonies. In fact, even Woodrow Wilson had misgivings about them writing Attorney General Gregory, “It would be dangerous to have such an organization operating in the United States, and I wonder if there is any way in which we could stop it?” Wilson did not stop it.

These were not right wingers. The APL and similar groups may have targeted unions, but did so on the belief that unions were disrupting activities of the progressive state, e.g. undermining Wilson’s war effort.

The re-emerged progressive movement, springing to action to “agitate” (their word choice) for President Obama’s agenda is troubling. There is a pattern of behavior within the modern progressive movement against dissent echoing the progressive movement during Woodrow Wilson’s tenure. Then, progressives engaged in fascist strategy and tactics to silence opposition to Wilson’s advance of the state over the individual. Many on the left then hailed Benito Mussolini as a hero and champion of progress in the way many on the modern left hail Hugo Chavez as the same. In the second decade of the twenty-first century, progressive activists are engaging in a similar pattern of intimidation and violence that they perversely think will help President Obama, even as he himself has voiced misgivings about their tactics and sought to distance himself from some of his most ardent supporters.

Using the IRS and “Good Government” Groups To Attack Conservatives

Someone within the Internal Revenue Service leaked to the gay-rights organization Human Rights Campaign the private Form 990 of the National Organization of Marriage. The form contains a list of major donors to the National Organization for Marriage. The IRS Form 990 is available for public inspection on request, but the law is very clear that donors are to have their information redacted.

In 2008, during the fight to pass Proposition 8 in California, the referendum to ban gay marriage, donors to the Proposition 8 cause were harassed and threatened. Now donors to the National Organization of Marriage should expect the same.

The American Legislative Exchange Council (“ALEC”) had its Form 990 donor information acquired by Common Cause, an organization funded by left-wing money and that the media describes as a “good government” group. In fact, National Public Radio reporter Peter Overby reported on ALEC’s 990 a few days ago raising “questions” about ALEC and its tax exempt status. Overby’s reporting cited Common Cause, described it as a good government group, and patently failed to mention that Overby had worked for the left-wing group before working for National Public Radio.

As noted, Form 990’s are available, though Common Cause and related groups are now targeting ALEC donors. It is unclear whether ALEC had redacted its 990 donor information.

The Common Cause attack on ALEC is, in and of itself, quite ironic. Common Cause’s mouthpiece at NPR, Peter Overby, documented Common Cause’s case as did a rather hostile bit of “journalism” from the New York Times. In essence, the “good government” group argues that ALEC is a non-lobbyist lobbyist, i.e. lobbies politicians illegally while hiding behind the veneer of not being a lobbyist.

Tom and Linda Daschle are big Common Cause donors. Tom Daschle, the former Democratic Leader in the Senate, didn’t pay his taxes and was, in fact, a non-lobbyist lobbyist. But Common Cause will take his money.

The Landmark Legal Foundation’s Mark Levin, also a popular radio show host, recently highlighted troubling IRS activities against tea party groups. Many tea party groups in the country claim the IRS is attempting to undermine their 501(c)(3) tax status. The IRS attempts go beyond normal tax challenges demanding specific information into family members, outside groups, affiliates, and deep background on individuals involved as officers of the tea party groups.

The use of the IRS as a political tool to intimidate opponents of the government is positively Nixonian, but only because the income tax and IRS were barely out of the fetal stage for Woodrow Wilson.

Home Vigilantes

Left-wing groups and unions have collaborated together to threaten and cajole private citizens. In Maryland, SEIU protestors and others showed up on the front porch of a Bank of America executive’s home to pound on his windows. He wasn’t home, but his child was who barricaded himself in a bathroom. This event might not have even been reported except Fortune Magazine’s Nina Easton lived next door. When she reported on it, she too was harassed. The only reporter at the event, which clearly was not designed for the media, was a Huffington Post blogger reporting sympathetically on the union activities.

In New Jersey, school union officials showed up at the home of a school superintendent yelling profanity and harassing the family. Involved were several school teachers who taught the superintendent’s family.

Intimidation of Businesses

Radical activist Van Jones, a former White House “green jobs czar” leads an organization called Color of Change. The organization, Media Matters for America, and others are leading coordinated attacks on businesses that choose to give money to conservative causes, advertise on talk radio, and the like.

They say they are boycotting, which is their right to do. Except these are not boycotts to advance rights as in the sixties. These are boycotts to shut down opposing views. When any side typically believes it is right, it often will encourage the other side to speak loudly so everyone can hear the wrongness of their views. Not so now. The left, no doubt unable to win in the battle of ideas, has decided to shut down the battle.

Businesses are harassed. In a Fox News interview, one business owner in New York who advertises with Rush Limbaugh told the anchor his business was targeted. Women in his office were called and harassed, spoken to crudely, and threatened.

Coca-Cola, Wal-Mart, and other businesses have all been targeted for harassment for giving money to conservative causes, though they give to liberal causes as well. The left is fine, obviously, with those donations.

The Koch Brothers

While the left is heavily funded by the billionaire felon George Soros, the collective organizations (and the White House) seem to have no problem attacking billionaires Charles and David Koch for funding free market think tanks and organizations committed to smaller government.

Using startling rhetoric from the Wilsonian era progressives, the left would have the American public believe that their use of billions from a foreigner turned American and felon is pure and noble, but the money spent by two brothers from Kansas is sinister.

Koch Industries has seen its businesses targeted for protest by the Occupy Movement. News shows have run less than flattering profiles of the Kochs. The New Yorker ran a hit job on the Kochs riddled with falsehoods and distortions that other left-wing activists in the media picked up, broadcast, and treated as gospel.

Recently, the left even accused the Kochs of funding George Zimmerman’s defense in the Trayvon Martin shooting. It seems no crime in America is salacious enough without accusations of involvement by the Kochs.

Progressive candidates now drop the Koch name casually suggesting their opponents are tainted by a relationship to Charles and David Koch. The Obama campaign routinely sends out campaign propaganda blaming the Koch Brothers for all of Barack Obama’s failures. During policy debates in 2010, Barack Obama’s economics adviser Austan Goolsbee revealed Koch Industries’ tax structure, information not publicly available. MSNBC blames the Trayon Martin death on the Kochs.

It is a concerted left-wing effort to make the Kochs the Typhoid Mary of American politics while casually ignoring its own money comes from a man convicted of insider trading, one of the very crimes the left highlights as a truly evil sin in capitalism.

Assaults on Religious Liberty

One the long held tenets of progressivism and fascism has been that everything should bend to the state, including religious organizations. In fact, in Liberal Fascism Jonah Goldberg notes,

Progressivism, from which today’s liberalism descended, was a kind of Christian fascism (many called it “Christian socialism”). This is a difficult concept for modern liberals to grasp because they are used to thinking of the progressives as the people who cleaned up the food supply, pushed through the eight-hour workday, and ended child labor. But liberals often forget that the progressives were also imperialists, at home and abroad. . . . [W]hile the God talk may have fallen by the wayside, the religious crusader’s spirit that powered Progressivism remains as strong as ever. Rather than talk in explicitly religious terms, however, today’s liberals use a secularized vocabulary of “hope”.

The rhetoric of religion as a social tool on the left has given way to a religious rhetoric for secularism while liberals engage in curtailing religious freedoms. Witness President Obama, in true Wilsonian fashion, rallying students to give “amens” over student loans.

The ever progressive Media Matters for America, which works hand in hand with the Obama Administration and other left-wing groups, openly declared on its IRS application for non-profit status that it would be an anti-Christian organization. Liberal attorney Alan Dershowitz and others have loudly attacked the organization for its anti-semitism. The organization routinely attacks Christian news outlets and attacks major media outlets as having a pro-Christian “bias in news reporting and analysis.”

Before the Supreme Court this year, the Obama Administration took the radically left position that the First Amendment does not contain a “ministerial exception,” a belief long held in American jurisprudence, though never actually before the Supreme Court, that churches have wide latitude in managing those it considers ministers of their faith. Even the American Civil Liberties Union would not go that far. The case, Hosanna-Tabor Church v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, saw the United States Supreme Court not only finally formally recognize the ministerial exception, but reject the Obama Administration’s position in a 9 to 0 vote. Barry Lynn, who wears the title “Reverend” to give himself authority among the left as he seeks to undermine religious liberty in the country, assailed the unanimous decision saying, “Blatant discrimination is a social evil we have worked hard to eradicate in the United States. . . . I’m afraid the court’s ruling today will make it harder to combat.”

At the same time, Catholic Bishops openly fret about the government curtailing religious liberties, limiting them solely to worship.

HHS mandate for contraception, sterilization, and abortion-inducing drugs. The mandate of the Department of Health and Human Services has received wide attention and has been met with our vigorous and united opposition. In an unprecedented way, the federal government will both force religious institutions to facilitate and fund a product contrary to their own moral teaching and purport to define which religious institutions are “religious enough” to merit protection of their religious liberty. These features of the “preventive services” mandate amount to an unjust law. As Archbishop-designate William Lori of Baltimore, Chairman of the Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty, testified to Congress: “This is not a matter of whether contraception may be prohibited by the government. This is not even a matter of whether contraception may be supported by the government. Instead, it is a matter of whether religious people and institutions may be forced by the government to provide coverage for contraception or sterilization, even if that violates their religious beliefs.”

State immigration laws. Several states have recently passed laws that forbid what the government deems “harboring” of undocumented immigrants—and what the Church deems Christian charity and pastoral care to those immigrants. Perhaps the most egregious of these is in Alabama, where the Catholic bishops, in cooperation with the Episcopal and Methodist bishops of Alabama, filed suit against the law:

It is with sadness that we brought this legal action but with a deep sense that we, as people of faith, have no choice but to defend the right to the free exercise of religion granted to us as citizens of Alabama. . . . The law makes illegal the exercise of our Christian religion which we, as citizens of Alabama, have a right to follow. The law prohibits almost everything which would assist an undocumented immigrant or encourage an undocumented immigrant to live in Alabama. This new Alabama law makes it illegal for a Catholic priest to baptize, hear the confession of, celebrate the anointing of the sick with, or preach the word of God to, an undocumented immigrant. Nor can we encourage them to attend Mass or give them a ride to Mass. It is illegal to allow them to attend adult scripture study groups, or attend CCD or Sunday school classes. It is illegal for the clergy to counsel them in times of difficulty or in preparation for marriage. It is illegal for them to come to Alcoholic Anonymous meetings or other recovery groups at our churches.
Altering Church structure and governance. In 2009, the Judiciary Committee of the Connecticut Legislature proposed a bill that would have forced Catholic parishes to be restructured according to a congregational model, recalling the trusteeism controversy of the early nineteenth century, and prefiguring the federal government’s attempts to redefine for the Church “religious minister” and “religious employer” in the years since.

Christian students on campus. In its over-100-year history, the University of California Hastings College of Law has denied student organization status to only one group, the Christian Legal Society, because it required its leaders to be Christian and to abstain from sexual activity outside of marriage.

Catholic foster care and adoption services. Boston, San Francisco, the District of Columbia, and the state of Illinois have driven local Catholic Charities out of the business of providing adoption or foster care services—by revoking their licenses, by ending their government contracts, or both—because those Charities refused to place children with same-sex couples or unmarried opposite-sex couples who cohabit.

Discrimination against small church congregations. New York City enacted a rule that barred the Bronx Household of Faith and sixty other churches from renting public schools on weekends for worship services even though non-religious groups could rent the same schools for scores of other uses. While this would not frequently affect Catholic parishes, which generally own their own buildings, it would be devastating to many smaller congregations. It is a simple case of discrimination against religious believers.

Discrimination against Catholic humanitarian services. Notwithstanding years of excellent performance by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Migration and Refugee Services in administering contract services for victims of human trafficking, the federal government changed its contract specifications to require us to provide or refer for contraceptive and abortion services in violation of Catholic teaching. Religious institutions should not be disqualified from a government contract based on religious belief, and they do not somehow lose their religious identity or liberty upon entering such contracts. And yet a federal court in Massachusetts, turning religious liberty on its head, has since declared that such a disqualification is required by the First Amendment—that the government somehow violates religious liberty by allowing Catholic organizations to participate in contracts in a manner consistent with their beliefs on contraception and abortion.

Only immigration is arguably a front opened by conservatives, and even now conservatives in Alabama are working to find a compromise to accommodate the religious.

Not documented in the bishops’ letter is the most recent attempt by progressives in Hutchinson, Kansas — yes Kansas — seeking to slide further down the slope on gay marriage by forcing churches to open their doors to gay marriage.

The left packages these issues as “womens rights” issues or “gay rights” issues and the like, but each encroaches directly on religious liberty, which the left has decided to devalue despite our founders enshrining it in the very first right within the Bill of Rights.

Conclusion

During the Bush years, dissent was hailed as patriotic. Whistleblowers were treated as martyrs. The media highlighted positively efforts to stand up to the man. Now the left is in charge. Dissent must be silenced. Conservative commentators must be driven from television and radio, businesses must be shut down if they fund conservative causes. Individuals who contribute money to conservative causes or engage must be harassed and badgered from the town square.

It is a pernicious strain of the progressive movement rearing its head. Its pattern of practice is too eerily similar to that strain of American fascism that reared its head almost one hundred years ago heading into the second decade of the twentieth century. Even the most benign liberal technocratic rule cannot, in the long run, admit dissent, because dissent is inefficiency, the enemy of technocracy. Dissent, good for the left, simply cannot be tolerated when the left is in charge.

Raising the concern is shouted down as unreasonable, but few can claim it reasonable to shut down opposing voices except the modern American Progressive Movement. In his book History of the American People, written in 1901, Woodrow Wilson sympathetically explained away the rise of the Ku Klux Klan in post Civil War America writing,

They took the law into their own hands, and began to attempt by intimidation what they were not allowed to attempt by ballot or by any ordered course of public action. They began to do by secret concert and association what they could not do in avowed parties. Almost by accident a way was found to succeed which led insensibly farther and farther afield into the ways of violence and outlawry.

In the 21st Century, the Occupy Wall Street Movement, hailed by the left, uses similar justification of taking the law into their own hands as they drop britches and poop on police cars, harass conservatives, and dribble out confidential IRS tax information on the opposition. That’s not to equate the Occupy Movement with a perniciously evil group, but it is striking how Wilson described the KKK compared to now.

Consider domestic terrorist Bernadette Dorn of the Weather Underground talking to an Occupy rally:

Agitation lights up the truth and what occupy has done by agitating in its non-violent, beautiful, imaginative way ["direct action," someone interjects] is to teach by shifting the frame really by remaining what’s possible. And what’s possible is that capitalism cannot solve our problems. It cannot solve any of our problems and the empire is in peril. Right? Who are the emerging countries in the world? They are the BRIC nations really. . . . So I want to keep us imagining that talking and educating and organizing goes with agitating, with direct action, with manifesting what we want to be.

She described the “agitation” as non-violent, but ended by saying that “organizing goes with agitating, with direct action.” What form of direct action has the left taken? Well, frankly, intimidation against others, violence, and civil disobedience to do what they could not at the ballot box. 400 people were arrested in Oakland, CA when Occupy Oakland turned violent. An Occupy Los Angeles speaker claimed violence would be necessary. In New York, Occupy Wall Street protestors tried to block access to Wall Street. The list of violence around the country is striking compared to, for example, the tea party movement the left had demagogued as racist and violent.

Mussolini, Jonah Goldberg noted, “defined socialism and fascism as ‘movement, struggle, and action.’ One of his favorite slogans was ‘To live is not to calculate, but to act!’”

The grand difference, however, between the left and right in this late struggle and leftwing attempts to punish dissent is that, as Conn Carroll wrote

The Occupy movement is predicated on the idea of protesters (the 99%) asserting control over something that does not belong to them (Zuccotti Park, McPherson Square, Frank Ogawa/Oscar Grant Plaza etc.). When you assert control over something that someone else owns (Brookfield Properties, the taxpayers, etc), there is eventually going to be a physical confrontation when that owner tries to reassert control. That is what we are seeing in police/occupier clashes across the country.

It is increasingly hard to just view the Occupy movement that way. The left, in general, is asserting control over things that do not belong to them and attempting to silence any dissent. Some on the right will blame the President or attribute it to the President. The right should be careful in stooping to the level of Bush Derangement Syndrome that so infected the Left in the Bush years.

Objectively, however, many people who wish to see Barack Obama re-elected will stop at nothing to advance what they believe is his cause.

We should not stay silent.

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COMMENTS

  • macwell

    Well Eric, you did a good job of wrapping up the left’s game plans, as does many others, we the people are already aware of how much of an opponent the liberals will be in November.
    We the people will come out in force this fall.

    We will vote out all the people who believe that America NEEDS to be “fundamentally transformed”.

    We will begin to take back OUR Congress from the career politicians who’ve used it as a means to an end, (the end making them rich).
    Congress was never intended to be overrun by all lawyers, Congress, at least the House, was intended to be filled with Americans from all walks of life, from all occupations.
    Congress was never intended to be anyone’s career.

    We must return to the model for government that the founders left us, citizen government!

  • mirac777

    However I do not buy the idea that this isn’t all in being done in the mold of Barack Obama. Obama’s roots are OCCUPY. Obama’s roots are the Marxist overthrow of the government a la Bill Ayers teachings with a healthy dose of Alinsky added to the mix. Every single entity you mentioned works FOR Obama. Obama has put radicals into power unlike any POTUS in history. The war on capitalism is being led by Obama’s appointees in the EPA and DOJ, among others. Unions support Obama 100%, and Socialism/Communism movements all had one main theme : The Workers party. Hugo Chavez has a Socialist Plan for the nation. That is the actual name of his plan. Many of Obama’s policies follow right along with Chavez’ plans to a frigging tee!

    GWB was a CHUMP- but a chump who loved America and wore it on his sleeves. GWB was raised an American. Can’t say that about Obama, no matter how anyone tries to sugarcoat it. To deny Obama’s own words of wealth redistribution, his past record with extreme radicals, terrorists and Socio-Commie groups is quite a disservice to the conservative cause. Is Obama a commie? A Socialist? A Marxist? A fascist? Call it whatever you want, but he is a clear and present danger to the American way of life, our prosperity and freedom from big government insolvency, which will lead to more tyranny, period.

  • The_Gadfly

    the end they seek is power, being rich can be a means to that, or simply a byproduct of it. But it is power alone which they seek.

    Those interested in ordered liberty can tolerate exceedingly wealth citizens with ease, but not those who seek power above all else.

  • The_Gadfly

    and to some extent Goldberg uses it as well: Statists.

  • http://californiateapartypolitics.blogspot.com/ smokedaddy

    But me thinks you’re a little kind to Barry. If you read the accounts of his community organizing days, he loved to play the good cop. Of course he could do this because behind the scenes he had the mobs fomented by his close colleagues at ACORN & SEIU play the bad cop. Of course, if you were a bank or a school district, or a church then you got to play the part of perp. Today, our PRESIDENT is using the same tactics in coordination with Soros, Trumka, et al. So, I know this is tough pill to swallow for the body politic that elected the man. But lets be honest at least with ourselves and acknowledge the plain truth that our elected president is, in fact like the wizard behind the curtain. A glorified thug.

  • reggie1

    Piece by piece, a dismantling of the attacks by the left on the right, and a non-hysterical labeling of those attackers as fascists.

  • raginpatriot

    >>President Obama is, unlike President Bush, a progressive, but he is not a fascist.

    I respectfully disagree.

    Collectivism is the genus — fascism, communism, socialism and progressivism are species within it. Fascism focuses on nationalism; communism-socialism on economics and class; progressivism on utopianism.

    If anything, Obama is an a la carte collectivist, embracing elements of all collectivist species as he seeks to diminish the United States as the premier nation-state, in order to advance the ultimate goal of “global governance” i.e., global collectivism.

    BTW, besides the book “Liberal Fascism” mentioned in this piece, may I also recommend Stanley Kurtz’s “Radical in Chief.” NOT for its information regarding Obama, but for its expose of the long-game tactics employed by his allies and sponsors, such as the Midwest Academy, Gamaliel Foundation, ACORN, etc. Read this and you’ve had a preview of Occupy and that unwritten tactics that are being deployed against the United States of America in order to bring about its de facto (if not de jure) downfall.

  • Wayne

    is little understood by the average person and it takes an effort to educate oneself to it’s inherent evils. Eric’s post while well thought out and articulated is preaching to the choir. It’s not going to bring about a fundamental change in the general public’s understanding, recognition and rejection of progressive principals.

    Unfortunately, it’s all around us in a never ending wave of subliminal rhetorical advertising primarily targeted toward the young.

    Why else would the Republican Party settle for Romney. I’ll vote for him, but a true conservative can see the poison of progressive ideology in the man and it serves to remind that the fight to bring about a new respect for power of individualism is never over.

  • spinoneone

    call it what ever you like. The goal is eternal power to the Left. The individual is irrelevant. The State is all. With the possible exception of the reference to autarky, the Wikipedia definition of fascism rather neatly encapsulates Obama and the left’s view of what they want to do to the U.S. Then the world.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    is in the economic area. So I am careful to call them economic fascists. Not that they are all that nationalistic or go around marching in brown shirts.

    But in economics they favor the worse sort of crony capitalist schemes which is exactly the way Mussolini ran things. Mussolini was much admired in the early years by American and British progressives. He made the trains run on time.

    That is what the modern progressive wants as well. They want to make the unneeded, fantastically over cost, subsidized high speed trains run on time, Even if they are empty.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    pervasive aroma of progressivism. It was because all the really good conservatives didn’t run, and the one good one who did run had a horrible debate performance.

  • bobguzzardi

    good points. Fascism, communism-socialism, Progressivism are variations on the theme of coerced collectivism, Statism, state power to coerce conformity economically and socially.

    Coerced collectivism is the anti-thesis of American Constitutional Liberty where individual liberty is celebrated and defended.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    While not incorrect, the statement:

    New York City enacted a rule that barred the Bronx Household of Faith and sixty other churches from renting public schools on weekends for worship services

    could imply that the rule was enacted to interrupt usage of the schools by certain churches, which is not true. The rule entered the Board of Ed’s policy at some point prior to 1989. and was first legally challenged by Bronx Household of Faith in 1995. Actual rental of the school by the church, followed by approximately 60 other groups–not all churches, either, it should be noted–began in 2002 when a 2nd Circuit justice issued–contravening her own earlier ruling!–a temporary restraining order against the City. That order was finally vacated in early 2012–and then reinvoked under terms!–but as an outworking of the long ping-pong of appeals rather than any recent enactment.

    Among lessons that could be drawn, wherever this ends up, is that while the original statute has Progressive fingerprints, it is not a merely partisan issue: our Republican mayor loves the smell of bureaucratic leather and is in no mood to make his city appear less than “fair”, while the state Senate has passed, by 57-5, a resolution to overturn the ban, with our most vocal local advocate a staunch, minority-labor-pro-life-pro-free-exercise Democrat. It is issues like these which are as close to trans-partisan as any you could find these days; will our candidates flinch from grabbing them?

  • http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php kralizec

    I think raginpatriot makes an excellent case for Obama being a la carte collectivist, and indeed most everything in his background indicates a predilection toward radicalism and collectivism. And kyle8 makes a good distinction regarding economic fascism, but even hardcore communists are all about state control over the means of production, something national socialists and communists share in common. So we are back to statists. But I would argue that the ilk we have today are so much more bent on the concept of a united socialist world (see how often this ilk in America wish to subjugate our sovereignty and Constitution to the UN for example) that a new term might be needed, something more fitting to describe both strains of their progenitors? Something like Neo-Statists?

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    under *alternate* terms

  • swi2522

    obama if he has his way with reelction will render the congress obsolete. i dont have to be politically correct
    obama is a threat to our liberties and will destroy our economy if allowed to go forward

  • Viet71

    n/t

  • throwback59

    since fascists tend to be nationalists, and Obama is anything but.
    “Marxist” is a more accurate term.

  • dianabug

    I believe all that time on TV has fried your brain – we see him as he is and don’t need you to soften it up for us.

    Excuse me while I go buy more ammo.

  • attherubicon

    I disagree that Obama is not a fascist. Liberals are by nature fascists. The believe they are better educated and smarter than the masses and therefore should be governing the masses – and dictated to if necessary. The demise of the incandescent light bulb is a perfect example.

    In an early meeting with Congress, Obama himself said, “There was an election. We won, you lost.” In other words, “I have the right to dictate to you.” The recent non-recess recess appointments are another example. Remember his State of the Union addresses and how he spoke with utter disdain about anyone who disagreed with him, including the Supreme Court.

    Wikipedia defines fascism as a “radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology”. I think that described Obama perfectly.

  • davenj1

    in 2007 and 2008. Prior to that, he was an innocuous Senator with little on his resume in that chamber besides giving a speech at the 2004 convention. But, the more and more I read about him and the people he surrounded himself with, the more I became wary.
    At that time, my neighbor’s son, became a student at Drexel University and I would help him with papers on economics and politics. In November, Obama became President and some of his plans, plus my research, began to come into plain view regarding Obama. Coincidentally, my neighbor was working on a paper on fascism at the time and I was struck at the similarities between NOT Obama and Hitler, but Obama and Mussolini.
    What concerns me is that Obama distances himself from the dirty stuff, but really tacitly endorses, or at least reaps the benefits of it. His use of the race card against Hillary Clinton to get the nomination and still used to this day by his surrogates is subtle, but its there. Likewise, resorting to class warfare, despite the protestations of his minions, is also disconcerting and scary.
    Twisting the language with proposals like the DISCLOSE Act, or “the fairness doctrine,” and “net neutrality” are only a few examples. And lets not forget his apparent disdain for the Supreme Court.
    Another four years would be even scarier.

  • Tbone

    a would be dictator if he can figure out how. Does anyone here wish to challenge the statement that Obama would declare himself “President for Life” if he could?

  • noodledogg

    Good article. The individual states should be the “strong” government, not the federal government. Citizens need to take back control of the government at all levels. I live in a poor state, and have watched the quorum court (county level government) debate spending a $100. It’s sad that our federal government doesn’t operate with the same mindset. It s is sadder still that so many people don’t care, so long as they receive some kind of govt. handout, whether it be food stamps, unemployment, farm subsidies. Nothing beyond greed is driving this gimmie attitude, as unqualified and undeserving people are able to more easily acquire hand-outs paid for by taxes taken from workers. But, it buys votes and keeps our socialist thinking leaders in power and getting them stronger.

  • proudmarinemom

    “In the second decade of the twenty-first century, progressive activists are engaging in a similar pattern of intimidation and violence that they perversely think will help President Obama, even as he himself has voiced misgivings about their tactics and sought to distance himself from some of his most ardent supporters.”

    I must have missed his speech on the day he “voiced misgivings” about intimidation and violence.

    Really, Erick, you have spend waay too much time with the Poli-Sci crowd. The average voter could not care less about the differences among “fascism” and “Marxism” and “collectivism.”

    Here’s why Obama will fail: We Are Broke.

  • johnt

    He just dropped by the White House for tea.
    “We should not remain silent”. Nor should we make fools of ourselves. I can’t help wondering who the Bush era Axelrod would be, or the Saul Alinsky type, or a similar 20 years in a screaming racist church, or the daily vituperation and hate mongering. Yes, we have to be nice, and Noooo, Obama is not part of what’s happening.
    And Mary had a little lamb !

  • johnt

    Did you forget, we have to be better than that.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    Has GOOOH COOOME BAAACK?

  • redstateneck

    I didn’t know we were having “try-outs” for a new teacher of American Politics. Hey, give me a chance I taught it in college a while back.

    Erik are you going to convert to Mormonism like Beck did?

  • westcoastpatriette

    To the best of his ability, his actions clearly mimic the behavior of one motivated by the principles of fascism. I just don’t understand why you are cautioning against calling a spade a spade. Similar accusations against Bush were greatly exaggerated and unsubstantiated. Not so with Obama. And your entire diary cites all the evidence we need to conclude that Obama is attempting to overthrow all Constitutional boundaries with the end result enabling him to become the fascist dictator he envisions.

  • wheelworker

    Not really sure you can make a strong argument that Fascism is not a right wing ideology. Leaving aside for a moment the relationship of the state to the economy, fascism has always employed high levels of militarism, nationalism, xenophobia, anti-unionism, anti-socialism, etc. These are features of all the major fascist governments, including Hitler’s Germany, Mussolini’s Italy, and Franco’s Spain. They are all traditionally associated far more with right wing ideology than left.

    As far as the relationship of the state to the economy goes, you can find examples of government coordination with corporations and government direction of major economic sectors in nearly all major countries around the world. This has been a feature of both conservative and liberal wing governments in both US and world history. While it is certainly far from American libertarian views of the role of the state and the economy, pure free market policies have not been a consistent feature of any major nation’s economic policy (and for good reason). By your logic, almost all countries could be called fascist, which essentially makes the term meaningless.

    Nice try, Erick.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    Leaving aside for a moment the relationship of the state to the economy…

    HAHAHAHAHA.

    “Leaving aside for a moment the relationship of milk to the fermentation process, can you really call cheese a dairy product?”

    There’s more absurdities, but Neil already gacked you.

  • gwbramhall

    It seems you are correct that Obama and his supporters are
    not Fascists by their actions but they are all set up for it and just
    need a tipping point ala Glenn Beck’s “Overton Window.” The
    OWS crowd is supremely ominous. If it looks like the election is not
    going well, I’d be watchfull of that group. With a little selective
    enforcement, they could become the 21st century version of
    the storm troupers bringing their form of peace to to the misbehaving
    Ghetos, (read conservative America.) Let’s hope that the election
    comes quickly and the Obama Administration is so effectively
    discreditted that pulling off such stunts is a non starter and would
    only support our case againts the progressive agenda.

  • johnt

    palestinian freedomfighters[?] used to machine gun school buses, they don’t have the same chances to do so nowdays. Tough luck for them and I take it, you.

  • Seedyrom

    Millions in damage which is comparable is gov, business and personal property damage today. And the GOP quickly chickened out when the media sided with the violent OWS scumbags. No bombs yet, hopefully they won’t go that low but considering the filth they run with, anything could happen.

    I’d say fascism is alive and well on the left. Not only that but dems and especially Debbie Downer Schultz talks to these people all the time.

    As for Van Jones, now he’s a contributor at MSDNC aka MSNBC and in my opinion Jones will replace Ed Schultz. Schultz has moved from 6pm, to 10pm to now 8pm and his ratings are declining. The fact Jones is now a weekly regular suggests they are fashioning his ratings appeal for a future show. Nothing like a former communist to work the left wing lies while disguising his commi views as democratic or liberal.

    http://www.exposeobama.com/2011/11/11/occupy-wall-streets-communist-predecessor/

    The Wall Street Occupation began on September 17. How ironic that date is.

    If the Wall Street Occupiers could hop into a time machine and read their New York Times from September 17 almost a century ago?specifically,September 17,1920?they would be struck by this headline:?WALL STREET EXPLOSION KILLS 30,INJURES 300;MORGAN OFFICE HIT;BOMB PIECES FOUND.?

    At noon the previous day,a horse-drawn wagon carrying hundreds of pounds of explosives and deadly shrapnel exploded in front of the headquarters of J.P. Morgan at 23 Wall Street,the heart and busiest section of America?s financial district. The final death toll was 38,with over 400 injured.

  • gbenton

    As other comments here point out, Obama seems to prefer others to do do the dirty work and heavy lifting, which is probably of necessity for him to succeed in getting elected and re-elected. First cloaking wealth redistribution in ‘hope and change’ and now that the veneer is off, it’s all class warfare all the time, with a smile, a wink and a nod to his supposed personal likability.

    The one thing Obama can’t do is shatter the mask of the affable historic do gooder. as long as he maintains this, the best Romney and others can credibly say is that he’s ‘over his head’, but no charge of ‘evil’ will stick. Unless he really slips up in an open mic moment with something worse than ‘bitter clingers’, he’s even more Teflon than Bill Clinton due to his ‘first black president’ shield and a media all to willing to couch every criticism in terms of bigotry instead of principled opposition.

    Thank you for this important piece that connects the historical dots and I hope this introduces many to the liberal fascist legacy in America that I doubt 1 in 10 Americans have any idea about at all.

    Similarly, while Obama may well be the fascist wolf in warm and fuzzy sheep’s clothing, I absolutely appreciate that it would do you nor this post any good to attach the ‘fascist’ label to Obama without proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Like you said, to communicate most effectively on this delicate yet critical topic one must be precise with language and stick to things we can easily prove. That some believe Obama plays puppet master fascist behind the scenes is, as of yet, conjecture and not as easily proven.

    Let’s play the long game. Expose Obama and the left with proof, keeping in mind that their ‘likability’ card is how they position conservatives as ‘extreme’ to scare off independents, over whose votes this epic struggle will be fought at the ballot box.and in the media.

  • Tbone

    I assume you are kidding.

  • gbenton

    My gut reaction is to extrapolate from all Obama has done and connect the dots, and as you say, there is much to suggest this President is a fascist.

    Not sure whether Erick would agree with this or not, but his high profile and position to do good on CNN could be in jeopardy in today’s ‘kill the messenger’ environment if he flat out called Obama a fascist without an overwhelming amount of proof.

    Obama appears to operate through surrogates and keeps his hands clean of anything that could stick to him. That’s his strength. As a recent article suggested, if we make the election about proving Obama is evil, we’ll likely lose because the low information voter, and those who were duped last time, still like the guy (facepalm!).

    That’s why Romney’s ‘he’s in over his head’ comments allow people to see his failures and still have an emotional ‘out’ to say they like the guy. There is overwhelming proof that he is a failed president. At first, I was angered by his comment because I thought he was being a squish, but I’ve come to see the strategic value of the word choices he made.

    The left bruised the Tea Party unfairly as ‘extreme’ and ‘radical’ and ‘dangerous’, even in the face of NO evidence. In the same breath, the media now talks of the ‘non violent’ ‘grass roots’ OWS movement with no shame, despite the massive evidence to the contrary. We’re dealing with a propaganda media with a tenuous grasp on integrity, and that’s only in certain pockets of the media.

    If we want to win the indies, we’ve got to stay on message that avoids playing right into the meme traps established by the media and the Democrats. Reagan understood this… be firm and principled, but likable.

    The American people appear to be able to only handle truth in limited doses… much as I wanted Perry to win, and I agreed with him 100%,, coming out of the gate with ‘Social Security is a Ponzi scheme’ and his Treason remarks about Bernanke over printing money, was too much too fast.

    Can’t speak for Erick, of course, but I imagine if he had direct evidence that Obama had his hands dirty in a Fascist way, he’d have said that. Lacking proof, it’s better to argue for what he could prove – which I think he did masterfully.

    I enjoy your comments and just thought I’d put in my two cents…

  • UpLateAgain

    Barack Obama can’t speak two coherent sentences without a teleprompter. He has repeatedly shown himself to be completely inept at governance. I don’t think he could successfully run a Popsicle stand.

    Obama’s not the evil genius behind our dissolution into common socialism. He’s been supported, carried, pushed, fostered, and scripted. He has neither the background, the competence, the political experience, nor even the organizational ability to orchestrate the kind of wholesale slaughter of our unique free way of life as has occurred during his ‘watch’.

    He’s just another player. He’s a charismatic front for the people pulling the strings that have worked to accomplish the goals of the statists since the early parts of the last century. He fit the profile of what they needed to put atop the movement to appeal to vast numbers of ‘useful idiots’….. but he did not and does not create , lead, fund, or organize that movement. He’s merely their high-profile mouthpiece.

    When Obama loses the election in November, it is not going to slow down the efforts of those trying desperately to remove the US as the final, best barrier to world socialism. It will be speed bump for them. That;’s all. The people that want to govern the world will still want to govern the world, and still be pushing their agenda and trying to undermine everything conservatives do. And the lack of Obama being at the helm in this country will have no force of effect in reducing their efforts.

    The problem with pronouncing Obama the mainspring of this movement is there will be a tendency to let down the guard once he is gone.

    A resurgent economy will work to convert some number of fence sitters and a few of those useful idiots cajoled by empty platitudes such as “Hope and Change”, but the efforts of people like Soros will continue unabated, and will have to continue being guarded against just as vigorously.

  • gbenton

    Seems to me that Erick did a lot of work to provide a detailed and well documented analysis that helps conservatives be prepared and prevail in restoring America.

    Much as it’s validating to read an ‘Obama sucks’ kinda partisan post, THIS post has the potential to be read by independents and have a real impact.

    Do you disagree?

  • gbenton

    one can’t help but first think of a pink elephant. That Erick detailed the connection between progressives (of which Obama is the leader) and fascism and the American history of liberal fascism, I believe many would draw the connection that even if Obama is not a fascist, re-electing him leaves the progressive left in power and that is scary.

    If the ‘liberal fascism’ meme were to spread within the electorate, on top of everything else that’s against Obama, I can’t imagine this Center Right nation re-electing him.. I have no idea of whether Erick intended any of that, I’ll take him at his word he believes Obama NOT to be a fascist. But look at all the comments here citing all the supporting evidence… the dots connect once the facts are seen in context.

  • gbenton

    the date is a coincidence.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    CW

  • westcoastpatriette

    And I admit that I am less politically savvy than many conservatives in that I do not see patterns and strategies nor understand their impact upon elections as well as others with more experience than I. Hence, I am less likely to consider the backlash of using labels such as fascist if the shoe fits.

    I would like to hear more with respect to your comment in the second-to-last paragraph: “but I imagine if (Erick) had direct evidence that Obama had his hands dirty in a Fascist way, he’d have said that.” What would qualify as direct proof, in your opinion?

  • Viet71

    1) Centralized power: his extensive use of executive orders and signing statements.

    2) Attempts to subvert the judiciary

    3) Contempt for the rule of law

    On the other hand, he has displayed Marxist proclivities as well. E.g., his good friend Bill Ayers; O-care.

    As Hillary said, it takes a village. What she meant was, Hitler and Stalin could have been best friends and made Europe into a workers’ paradise, if only Hitler hadn’t been mean to Uncle Joe.

  • redstateneck

    Erik’s efforts would be better directed in getting the base behind our candidate. Neal Bortz emphasis that the anti-obama movement can only achieve its goal if Romney wins. There is not other option. Romney hardly can spend his time courting the right-wing. The battle for the middle class independents will determine this election. If the ultra right-wing doesn’t show they will be aligning themselves for better or worse with BHO. Electoral Politics ain’t rocket science.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Here’s to hoping the O is the high watermark of the last century(ish) of the insurrection/war against humanity known as the communist revolution/cold war etc. May he be voted out in November if not impeached out sooner for any of a multitude of reasons.

  • gbenton

    I’m far more conservative than Romney and have posted critically of him previously. So I I share your concern. I wanted Perry… so that gives you an idea of where I stand.

    Reading a post like this that puts this election in stark historic terms, I’m motivated to get out the vote for Romney to make sure liberal fascists don’t have a friend in the White House.

    My point is that independents who read a post like this with an open mind won’t find anything that reeks of partisanship and instead will find much food for thought to consider voting for Romney.

  • gbenton

    There is much circumstantial evidence and as you said, the shoe sure does appear to fit when one looks at the big picture. But Obama, as Erick points out, isn’t yet caught with his hand in the fascist cookie jar.

    For him to get caught, the best way in my mind is if he were shown on video, or in an open mic moment, to say something dramatically more fascistic than the image he’s crafted. Let’s say he says to Biden that in his second term he’ll nationalize the banks for the good of the country, or worse, that he’d grab power in America to serve the global collective good in some way, like nationalizing energy industry or something.

    His whole MO is to let surrogates say and do radical stuff while he plays the affable guy who everyone but extremists should like… and it’s a trap to sling words like socialist, communist, Marxist, etc. at him, even if true, with any kind of partisan agenda or without iron clad proof.

    Nothing wrong with straight talk… I agree with you 100%, I just see the game as it’s been played against Palin and others and they’ve been painted as extremists with some effect.

    Reagan’s wise statesman tone, his ability to use humor allowed him to be very effective and crush a ‘nice guy’ like Carter.

    As conservatives, we’re alarmed and angry and we can see things the uninformed voter doesn’t because we read sites like Redstate… if we want to woo the persuadable middle to our side by election time, we’ve got to bring them up to speed on a pace they can digest, knowing the media will paint us as extreme meanies who want to hurl grannie off a cliff. If we play against type, then it’s harder to do that… plus, the less we give the leftist creeps to work with, the more desperate they’ll be and the more ‘war on women’ type mistakes they’ll make.

  • vnov5

    I am a moderate who visits a sampling of the blogs and news outlets during my morning coffee – including left, right and in the middle. I realize you are preaching to your readers, but this kind of – “I’m not saying he’s Hitler, it’s just that everything he does points to him being a dangerous fascist” vitriol strikes folks like me as a bit much. You do that classic – these guys like him and they do X bad thing, therefore he agrees with them and the X bad thing – connection that is rarely accurate.

    The folks here clearly eat this stuff up, but the idea that there is a vast Left conspiracy to convert the U.S. and the world into some kind of socialist utopia gives them too much credit. I’ve been around Democrats and they ain’t that organized. They can’t win the House, much less control the world. Are there people on the “left” who would like things to be that way – sure, but most people in the U.S. are neither on the right nor the left. Does Obama have a secret socialist utopian plan to convert all the moderates in the U.S. to goose-stepping socialists in the next four years – I highly doubt it. Would he like to – I doubt that as well. He sure can’t – that part I am sure of.

    I guess my only message to your readers and you is this: This kind of “everyone over there is EVIL!” messaging strikes folks like me as a bit silly (when slung from both sides) and renders anything else you (or they) have to say muted by the knowledge that you tend to hyperbole and paranoia.

  • avgjo

    I always tell people we shouldn’t worry about the moderates.

    You used good syntax and a reasonably advanced vocabulary, but you said nothing.

    My experience with moderates is that they rarely know what they think. Rather, they are quite adept at casting ambiguous aspersions on everyone else. (Perhaps they are playing off, or themselves hold, the perception that not taking sides is somehow a superior position or sophisticated.)

    Vitriolic? Hardly. Indeed, looking at the ‘example’ you gave (in quotes) doesn’t even meet the definition of vitriol. He said nothing severe or caustic. In fact, there emanates from his writing a strong aura of restraint.

    And while it seems that you think your doubts are sufficient to settle the questions of whether Obama has a secret plan for blah or wants to do blah, they aren’t. Obama acts in the context of Black Liberation Theology and radical leftism. He has a record. He has foul associations. Anyone that votes against protecting survivors of abortions is capable of well-nigh anything. ( And, I might add such a position is right at home with Nazi views on respect for human life.)

  • romansdaughter

    nt

  • aesthete

    of any party and at any level would declare themselves President for Life, Generalissimo, or some variant thereof if they thought they could get away with it.

  • MF

    There is absolutely nothing Republican about Bloomberg other than his official party registration. The guy is a complete and total disaster in every way imaginable.

  • aesthete

    Playing with you would have been fun.

  • kowalski

    He left the Republican Party on June 19, 2007.

    His affiliation with the Republican party has always been tenuous at best and he cemented that when he switched to Independent.

  • aesthete

    I think you’re letting Obama off the hook. Obama’s former employ revolved around agitating for various non-governmental organizations wont to take the law into their own hands if government didn’t take by force what they wanted it to. Wilson was a horse’s ass, but he was an able administrator: the benign neglect which you allude to in his administration was carefully cultivated. In contrast, the same phenomena in the Obama administration is extant because Obama is inept, and has been fenced in by a bureaucracy and Cabinet staffed primarily by Clinton flunkies.

    IMO, the Obama administration and political brouhaha surrounding it most closely resemble banana republic politics than anything in Euro politics — but in the context of European politics, I think that some of the comparisons between the Obama administration and the more “benign” fascist countries (like Italy) are valid.

  • kowalski

    Bloomberg ran for his first term as a Republican but he changed his affiliation in 2007 to Independent.

    Don’t dare call him Republican. You can more accurately refer to him as a Technocrat Independent.

  • kowalski

    Or even post-political (in the sense of traditional American two-party politics of the last 75 years or so.) His undergraduate degree is in Electrical Engineering from Johns Hopkins University and and MBA from Harvard Business. I’m a fraternity brother of his and so is my father, who knew him personally as a very, very determined and hard-working person from a lower-middle class background. They even dated one of the same girls while they were in school together.

    More than anything else, Bloomberg has directed his considerable intellectual and personal skills throughout his life into being an independent thinker and a data-driven problem solver. I disagree with him on a lot of things but he is most certainly one of the smarter mayors in this country – at any time in our history.

    If you want to know in a nutshell what Bloomberg is really about, look at how he really made his fortune: by captializing on the emerging ability to have real-time financial data fed into computers that traders and analysts could place on their desks: the Bloomberg Terminal.

    In terms of all his social views he’s a New Yorker to the core. He’s almost rabidly anti-gun. I also think his success in life has given him something of a Napoleon complex despite his humble background. I am 1000% percent opposed to his opposition to the NRA, for example. He’s wrong. But he’s the kind of guy you just can’t tell that he’s wrong.

  • johnt

    out of epithets with this thing in the WH. It’s just that we have so many dainties here who admonish us on our manners that I had to poke fun indirectly at them.

  • kowalski

    Is vastly overplayed in American popular politics. What made Mike Bloomberg the person he is, basically, is his work ethic and his intelligence. Our fraternity, Phi Kappa Psi, has as its foundational principle the idea of service to others. Obviously he and I disagree on many things but I do try to live up to that ideal in my own way, as he has.

    It was never a “buddy buddy” thing and I’ve never received any business as a result of my affiliation with Bloomberg (and doubt I ever will, alas, due to my very strong pro-gun beliefs.)

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    While he did eventually leave the party in 2007, the initial branding lingered in popular thought–with no ill effects, due to the obvious disparity, as you and MF correctly note, between his record and his supposedly adopted platform–and he still ended up unopposed in the R column in 2009.

  • kowalski

    But even Bloomberg himself would object to the characterization. It’s just factually incorrect and if there’s anything I know about Bloomberg, he hates it when people get the facts about him wrong.

  • michaellaborde

    They might call him names and relate him to communism because in his heart he is a communist. What soever a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. He is much known now as not a capitalist or freedom loving man, but one whom he believes in raceism and slavery. Which will be his distorted outcome. What soever a man sowes, that shall he also reap. Obama is no friend to freedom.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    I was actually referring to its being during his R years, 2001-2007, that his opposition to our case was established. Historical present would have been clear had I used “then-Republican”. But you are right, he is no longer a Republican, and the question of whether he ever was is, in more than name, is tenuous at best.

  • kowalski

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  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    Two things–only–which have softened my opinion of his tenure:

    1) although I never saw him on the #4 line before I started working from home, the mere thought that I might was tantalizing

    2) his attempts at Spanish-language pressers have been entertaining, if painful

  • runner12

    This is exactly what we must do to beat Obama. We need to be exposing the radical belief systems and actions of the Progressive Left, which have indeed taken a turn towards fascism. This is nothing new, as Erick pointed out. In a way, the Progressives are returning to their roots.

    If we make Obama the bogey-man with little proof (calling him a fascist), many may foolishly tune us out and simply see it as politics as usual. Added to that, it will play into the MSM media propaganda machine. However, if we point out the idealogies and actions of those who are either associated with him and/or support him who are clearly fascist, we will defeat Obama and the Left in one fail swoop. Make the critiques about the idealogies, not the person.

    We need to educate and awaken the American people. This diary is a good blueprint on how to do it.

  • kowalski

    I’m not a supporter of his but he does and says what he believes. That’s why I’ve always respected him even when I disagree with him. Anyone can disagree with him vehemently but nobody should call him something he’s not. He’s not a liar, he has an agenda, but he also has a lot of personal integrity. Tough person to deal with, but that’s OK. I just think he’s wrong on guns and a few other things.

  • kowalski

    What I think Bloomberg should consider is a radical idea: Establish some competition shooting sports teams at New York high schools. Get the kids who are interested in guns into an organized and structured sport, educate them, give them a chance to excel, hire some NRA members as instructors, and give them an outlet for their curiosity. It’s anathema in New York City but it shouldn’t be.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    It has been in existence for decades. Just go ahead and read the Nation, (any issue for the last 80 years), Mother Jones, or The Progressive. Read their books, they are not exactly secret about any of it.

    Just because they are bunglers and have failed often does not mean they don’t have a plan and they are not malevolent.

    But ask yourself this question Mr. moderate. If the left DID want to transform the country, ruin the middle class, set up a permanent underclass, and take control of Academics, Big corporations, the press and government at all levels. Then, how would they have done anything different?

  • westcoastpatriette

    Interesting parsing of words, viewpoints, motivations, etc. Semantics and labels are useful for purposes of defining political stances, but they can also be dangerous if not tempered with caution, I suppose. In the larger scheme of things, I think that the conservative wing of the Republican party’s biggest weakness is in its messaging. Without being able to label the Democrat party’s lurch toward socialism/fascism, it makes attempts to compare and contrast what we stand for more difficult. But still, it seems like we stay on the defensive and wind up looking and sounding weak when we should be on the offensive using positive language about America and what makes her good and great — such as the principles underlying capitalism, limited government, liberty in general and religious liberty specifically.

    Great orators are hard to come by.

  • kowalski

    As part of a multi-state-championship winning and National postal match championship winning rifle team over several years in high school that you have kids every year who come to the first meeting of the team because they’re curious. They’re curious about guns and marksmanship and rifles and what they really need is guidance and a constructive way they can direct their energies.

    The nice thing about shooting sports, as anyone who has ever been a member of a high school rifle team can tell you, is that not only do you have time at the range to shoot, you also have a lot of time to do homework. It’s a structured and safe and very nonviolent environment despite all the hoopla and the prejudice. If New York has a gun problem with kids – and I say this for every other large city – one part of the answer is to let those kids come to YOU and express their curiosity and then help guide them and give them an opportunity to do something constructive with their talent and curiosity – legally. What New York and other large cities do at this point is to say: “You’re interested in guns? Join a gang.”

  • gbenton

    What you said, and knowing how to be persuasive.

    What Bill Clinton understood, the one way he was like Reagan, was that he could bond and connect with his audience. Where Reagan was sincere, Clinton mastered feigning empathy, but he sure knew how to be likable. He projected, I care, I feel your pain… for many, that was all it took to get their vote.

    The left knows how to use propaganda in the media, in movies, and on TV… they play emotions, sadly they use those skills for evil.

    The right has to get better at selling. Specifically at presenting the benefits of conservative values so people relate.

    As for the fascism thing, there are certain words and memes that trigger responses in Americans… and bluntly calling someone a loaded term like that is risky – like when Perry said ‘treason’ about the Fed… I knew he was right, I agreed with him, but that was a nuclear word and I knew it wouldn’t go over well.

    Just like when Hillary Rosen bashed stay at home moms… that’s a taboo in America, mom and apple pie, that’s America. You don’t mess with the mom icon. That’s how the left betrays themselves is they don’t really understand America so they forget and let their lizard nature slip out. It’s hard to lie for a living, thankfully.

    Anyway, Erick’s post did another thing that conservatives need to do… connect the dots to history in a way that exposes the left’s long track record of failure and lies. The left has fought the culture and education war precisely so that they could erase the memory of the past from future generations so they could sell an empty suit Marxist like Obama that the uninformed could project their hopes upon. An educated populace would not have fallen for that ruse, but we had to learn the hard way in real time since history has been hidden.

    To me, Newt’s appeal is the ability to do this… to draw upon the past and weave it in his talks… that’s what many lack. If someone could coach Mitt on some more stories that tie it all together, he’d be more formidable. I think based on his speech the other night, he’s headed in the right direction.

    Being right isn’t enough if we aren’t persuasive, and the first step is to ‘do no harm’ and not drive away the audience. anyway, I’m ranting…

  • gbenton

    Because collectivism clashes with individual liberty, there is a difference between left and right which you do not address. For leftists to get elected, they have to lie and feign moderation. Then, when in power, you get things like Obamacare and they all fall in line. They don’t even care if the program works, none of the others they’ve implemented over the years are solvent, after all. The left just wants to control and to manipulate with emotions like ‘social justice’ to keep the people in line with guilt and intimidation.

    As for Erick’s post, do you deny that Obama is a Progressive? The post related historical fact behind the progressive movement in America. Erick exempted Obama from the fascist label, specifically to address what you are saying.

    I doubt Obama believes he can get America ‘goose stepping’ in 4 more years, but he can make Obamacare permanent by vetoing any effort to repeal. He can nominate Supreme Court justices to legislate from the bench. He can do all sorts of things once he has the ‘flexibility’ beyond his ‘last election’. You made the references to ‘goose stepping’ as hyperbole not in the original post so as to discredit it because you failed to refute any of the facts presented. Perhaps you can’t. You don’t want to see Democrats in that light, you want to remain ‘above partisanship’ and appear more enlightened than all that.

    Instead, may I suggest you re-read the post and see how history is repeating in chilling ways, especially regarding the left’s attempt to silence speech – or do you deny that the Fluke kerfuffle was used to try to get Rush off the air?

    I think you’ll find that you can’t simply say ‘left and right extreme, moderates good’. Principles matter, history matters, and man has done great evil in the name of ‘utopia’ and ‘transformation’ when the populace doesn’t go a long with the master plan willingly. It’s more of a tortoise and hare thing, as the left has played the long game since the age of Wilson. We let them get too far with all this ‘moderate’ bipartisan patter when they gained ground when we sold out principle to ‘get along’.

  • bs61

    n/t

  • Wayne

    my paradigm regarding progressive thought, the general public, the Republican Party (RP), the RP’s settling for Mitt Romney and the general drift away from individualism in this country. I try to keep my posts short and have found that as a rule, brevity is best in all things provided one has the skills to trim down the fat. Obviously I lack those skills.

    Progressive thought was on a forward march before the founders ink was dry. The Constitution is written with a clear understanding of human nature, the good intentions of others and the evils of consolidated power. Though the terms collectivism had not been offically coined at the time. Even Jefferson was enamored with the French Revolution until they started beheading people willy nilly! I think he coined it the “Age of Enlightenment”.

    The Republican Party management team had their eye on Romney before the first debate. I witnessed first hand the party’s unrestrained preference for him as true conservatives were slowly pushed to the background (though through the Tea Party their numbers have grown, generally they are a minority in the RP) and they were fed the Party’s position that Romney was the best candidate to beat Obama. It was a subtle but clear signal for the conservative wing of the RP to get in line and support their chosen candidate). Though for political reasons it was expediant to allow the impression that conservative thought was alive and well in the RP. The debates were nothing more than a dog and pony show that did little to instill confidence that the RP will be willing to stop the forward march of progressive idealism.

    Conservatism within the Republican party is more or less tolerated because the general perception is that compromise with progressive thought is necessary to win elections. But I believe, every compromise with progressive though is a win for the progressive movement and a loss for conservatism. The Republican party today looks very similar to the Democratic party of the 50′s and the Democratic Party today looks very much like a socialist movement.

    I personally believe the only factor that will affect the outcome in November as to whether or not Obama is reelected will BE the economy. Regardless of all the polls and graphs and exhausted peoples opinions, people vote their pocket books. One is either voting for self determination or statism in the 2012 election. Pretty simple really! And, the writing is on the wall which way were going.

    If you consider yourself a conservative in the RP and disagree with this perception, then, well, I hate to tell you but your not!

    Truly my two cents!

  • MF

    News media and op-eds (I repeat myself) frequently refer to him as a Republican. Since I don’t follow NYC politics directly, I get misled.

    He may be a hard worker, but I still have no use for someone who works really, really hard on the opposite side of issues as me. I can respect his work ethic while simultaneously detesting his positions.

  • Seedyrom

    I’ve seen several such instances especially with unions and thuggish groups. Now OWS is officially a terrorist group with the Ohio bridge bomb plot.