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May 6, 2012: The Day Obama Lost

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  May 15th, 2012 at 04:46 AM  | 

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If there is a day to finger for Barack Obama losing the Presidency in 2012, it will be Sunday, May 6, 2012.

On that day, Joe Biden* went on national television and proclaimed himself in favor of gay marriage. It started a media spiral for the President. Two days after Biden spoke, North Carolina voters voted by overwhelming margins to leave marriage alone. The next day, Barack Obama went on national television to devolve back to the position he held prior to running for President.

To a majority of Americans, Barack Obama’s devolution back to earlier years makes no difference. But this is a fifty-fifty nation. Every vote counts. And of those whose are concerned about this issue, at least 20 percent and maybe as high as 25 percent of people say it makes them less likely to vote for Barack Obama — that’s more than those who will be more likely to vote for Barack Obama (and who are probably going to vote for him anyway).

The most recent CBS News – New York Times poll suggests 67% of voters believe the economy is “fairly” or “very” bad and Barack Obama would rather talk about gay marriage and wars on women than the economy. This does not bode well for him.

I have long maintained that Mitt Romney has no prayer without a flailing economy. The public thinks it is flailing. Greece is about to cause a cataclysmic chain reaction. Barack Obama will need every vote he can get. He just took a sizable portion of votes off the table for himself.

Listen to this audio my radio producer put together from the past few weeks of news. The media and the White House would love to talk about anything and everything other than the economy. This is a sign that they all are in on the joke of what a bad economy we are in right now. The President’s team wants to ignore it. After years of accusing the GOP of focusing on cultural issues instead of other issues, the President and press are single minded on cultural issues.

And the one they’ve spent the most time on lately? In most polls it polls at majority support. But those are opinion polls. In actual polls (as in people voting), it loses every time. And all thanks to Joe Biden, Barack Obama, in a very close election, decided to come out on the side that loses every time.

*Okay, in fairness, we could arguably say August 23, 2008, was the day Obama lost his re-election. That’s the day he chose Biden to be veep and we all knew it was only a matter of time . . .

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  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    When you’re a serial windsock and you base your opinions on polls, you’d better make sure that the real voting patterns match the polls, and waging cultural war when the economy is going badly only plays to one’s weaknesses–morally conservative independents who used to vote Democratic, are concerned about bread and butter issues, and were disillusioned by the moral decay of the post-Vietnam Democratic Party. No one can write off those votes without extreme peril, unless one wants to join the pantheon of one-term presidents.

  • davesinsanantonio

    they couldn’t win on social issues, and now that’s all the Dims want to talk about?!?!?

  • hart65

    I shall be telling this with a sigh
    Somewhere ages and ages hence:
    Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?
    I took the one most poll-tested by,
    Joe Biden who never made sense.

  • JimmyGee

    I find myself wondering if Biden, the poster-child for useful fool, was given the lead-lined trial balloon on gay marriage, or was it diarrhea of the mouth….again? If it was a lead-lined trial balloon by Obama’s campaign it was nothing short of political malpractice. If it was Biden being, well, Biden, then Obama needs to find a new running mate to save his campaign. FAST!
    What is becoming shockingly clear to me that the-smartest-President-EVER has extremely limited moves he can make. And some of those moves, like Greece will be made for him, and will only limit him further. He, and the mainstream media are dancing as fast as they can to prevent the focus becoming the economy and jobs. Once the focus turns to the economy and jobs, just like a house of cards, all of Obama’s failed policies will crash around his over-inflated head.

    (Can someone please explain to me how such a dolt, made it through law school?)

  • renl57

    When he was in political trouble, in danger of losing to Chris Christie, Corzine just couldn’t stop talking about social issues like “a woman’s right to choose” and so on.

    The Democrats’ usual model is that the GOP uses social issues to divert attention from economic issues and competence issues.

    That model breaks down when the Dems are presiding over a poor economy and poor stewardship of the government. Then it’s the Dems who resort to social issues.

  • Jack_Savage

    I am thinking Kaine in VA and others. People now understand that when you support a Democrat – any Democrat – you are supporting Barack Obama.

    Joe Biden is the stupidest man in America.

  • jlsankot

    I like it. It’s a very appropriate description.

  • jlsankot

    it was Affirmative Action.

  • radicalrighty

    He thinks his voters will forgive him for going after the gay and Hollywood cash, and I do too. A black pastor on FNC last night grimly said, “Marriage is between a Man and a Woman.” Then in the same breath smiled and said that Obama’s supporters will not leave him over a single issue. So there’s that.

    My feeling is that this election will come down to the answers to these two questions:

    1) Will those “white-guilt” females turn their backs on the First Black President this go around?

    2) Will the FEAR of an Obama 2nd term motivate the GOP and conservative voters who “may sit this one out” because their own candidate didn’t win, or that Romney did.

  • sigmasix

    can play for distraction and maintain his base. Now, if only Ohio, Florida, and Virginia would define marriage at the ballot box this fall using the constitutional amendment process. Checkmate!!!

  • APA Guy

    We already know that historically Black voters support Democrats for a host of reasons. That segment of the voting electorate will not determine Obama’s fate unless it fails to turn out in significant numbers.

    It will be the youth vote, the country’s largest unemployed segment of the work force, Reagan Democrats and Indies who will determine his fate…and right now, he is losing them rapidly.

    As for conservative voters, I submit to you that if the prospect of a 2nd Obama term isn’t enough to motivate them to work to elect Mitt Romney, then they were never conservative to begin with. Conservatives should care more about America than whether their preferred candidate won during the primary. Throwing a tantrum about the primary changes nothing and aids and abets Obama.

  • radicalrighty

    The fact that he’s more secretive about his grades and transcripts than his birth certificate says a lot about his education, or lack there of.

  • JimmyGee

    Romney was not my favorite candidate, but any of the GOP candidates (with the exception of Ron Paul) would make a better President that BHO. The GOP is already backing Romney. Romney fundraising is showing that.
    What I despised about Romney was how effective his campaign was at destroying his opponent. He knows how to create a message and make it stick. He will do the same to Obama. Not trying to be mean here, but as rough as Obama can be, we have the right man in Romney for the job to take on Obama. I believe he will destroy Obama. I think we are already beginning to see it, as is Obama.

  • JimmyGee

    Biden….LOL!! I know how Obama got through law school. When roll-call at the beginning of class was made, Obama would say “Present!”
    I crack myself up!

  • ashland_avenue

    Nt

  • sigmasix

    suspended his campaign for TARP.

  • RichmondG30

    he dumps Biden and puts Hillary on the ticket?

    That could turn the race on its ear and it’s that possibility that keeps me up at night. We know he will do absolutely ANYTHING to win.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    …why anybody was concerned about Sarah Palin’s “inexperience” with Joe Biden in the race. I can’t imagine anybody sleeping well with Biden only a heartbeat away from the Presidency. I don’t even think Democrats sleep well imagining that.

  • stan25

    Why does everyone in the pundit class think that the election will be close? From all of the signs that I have been seeing, Obama is going to lose huge. The landslide will make Mondale’s loss peanuts in scale. People are tired of Obama and the state controlled media lying to them every day all day long.

  • http://americanstance.org pweldon

    http://www.redstate.com/pweldon/2012/05/10/keep-our-eye-on-the-ball/

  • major

    On the economy being the only winning issue for Romney, I so disagree on account of the growing numbers seeing Obama for who and what he really is…and they are furious.
    Those big teeth in that big deceptive smile, are getting more rotten every day.
    The biggest thing to get really obsessed about, is voter fraud, and the several groups who are willing to use it and who have never been welcome in this country in the first place.

  • kev2m6

    What you saw was two pastors. It was shown all day and I seen it multiple times. The one who looked grimly into the camera claiming marriage is between a man and a woman was much older than the pastor who said his congregation isn’t a one issue group and that this is one issue they don’t agree with Obama on. The older pastor was so determined to look the camera dead in the eye, as if speaking to the President, and make his point that I wanted to hear every word he said, but unfortunately, FNC cut the clip after he said marriage was a man and a woman. If President Obama loses the older black vote, he is done. Sorry, I know he is down to the bottom of the barrel with Bain Capital commercials that are flat out wrong but I see a major campaign bust out coming before the convention. Axelrod is good with a candidate who has no record and can chose his positions based on current polling or the pulse of the nation because in his short time in the only presidential qualifying job he had, he never really took a stand on anything and what he did in the state senate was forgotten i.e. same sex-marriage! Axelrod is not prepared for this campaign and we are getting daily reminders of it. Obama will look disloyal for a minute but with the mainstream media behind the president, the first thing the new team does that doesn’t completely backfire in their face will cause a Media reaction comparing Obama to the greatest campaigners in the history of history, maybe even deserving of a Newsweek halo.

  • curlygirlconservative

    Not based on polls but gut feeling – H. Clinton doesn’ appeal to Independents. I’d be curious what polls say.

  • spelunker

    Obama is worried and on the run. Keep the pressure up and lets register enough voters against Obama to bury him. Nothing is more dangerous than a cornered animal.

  • commonsenseobserver

    But while she would remind people of the good old days of Bill Clinton (!!!), she’d also bring Obama’s judgement into (further) doubt. It’d also look a bit too desperate, and could backfire just like McCain’s campaign suspension and the President’s support for gay marriage.

    If Biden is removed, I wouldn’t be surprised if another old white guy is brought in.

  • filobeddoe

    Obama didnt really have a primary so what we see is Obama running to the left to secure his base. That’s why these issues, war on women, students, gays etc are coming up now. He is doing this early to get his base motivated. By summertime or so, he will try to move back to the middle again.

    Unlike our fearless candidate who, when not actually flipping us the bird, is running away from the base. Never seen anything like it… liberal Republicans apologizing for being Republican.

  • curlygirlconservative

    We’re afraid to get our hope’s up… being conservative and all we prefer to say “cautiously optimistic”. I don’t think we trust the country, to see the TRUTH. Even after the 2010 landslide. We all saw the truth in 2008 and were astounded by our friends and neighbors who were simply clueless. Today it’s pretty much far left liberals who remain simply and completely clueless.

    That aside, I’ve never thought Obama was an idiot and that he is a master campaigner and politician. I’m deeply suspicious as to why he would put such a focus on this issue if they didn’t believe it could win him the vote…. it’s actually quite baffling. Pretty sure he didn’t all of the sudden turn politically dumb.

  • kev2m6

    the rest of the Republicans weren’t on board and it turned into a cluster f@&^ because of poor campaign management, not the candidate. The GOP in 2008 was the party in the White House and the Wall Street banks needed money and we gave it to them. John McCain did not lose because of the TARP suspension, that certainly didn’t help, but the cards were against us. The surge working was our ace and Sarah Palin was causing women to flock to the GOP but the economy was not really in issue, even though we were in mild recession, until the crap hit the fan in late September. Gingrich and Santorum were proud to claim the loss was because McCain was a moderate; again that didn’t help but he lost for one reason and it is because of banking collapse. He had virtually no chance with an historic opponent who somehow voted for the bailout but gets credit for being anti wall street. The media bias is tough to counter when the country is in crisis and the non-FNC media fell in love. Only time will tell if that love is still strong but on thing is certain, Mitt Romney is not the rebound for the media. Washington Post has shown they are still in love but hopefully that embarrassing piece and the counter negative reaction will serve as a warning to the Obama campaign and the Media backers – This guy is no John McCain.

  • curlygirlconservative

    It would be good for us to get behind our candidate. Time to let it go, dude. Your candidate didn’t win. Neither did mine but I will still very happily get behind Romney 100%. You are serving ZERO purpose for the conservative cause by attacking our candidate who is our only chance to win this country back. You have to admit he’s better than McCain and depending on who he picks for a running mate could knock it out of the park.

  • curlygirlconservative

    Well, he’s not our ONLY chance (we do have governor, congressional and senatorial races as well)…. but he’s our only hope of not having to listen to another Obama presidential speech. GAG

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    I want to make sure our obsession over the biggest thing isn’t misdirected.

  • edintexas

    CNN claimed that Dear Leader only won 95% of the black vote in 2008 (I think the percentage was higher). Dear Leader will probably win 94.99% this time, perhaps a hair less, when this issue is considered.

    When Bush 41 signed off on the so-called Assault Weapons import ban, Lee Atwater allegedly advised him not to worry about the “Gunnies” for they had no place else to go. Unfortunately for Bush, they could stay home, and many did. Unlike the “Gunnies” of 1992, Dear Leader will not see many black voters stay home over this, or any other, issue.

  • edintexas

    Not only did Dear Leader claim the “anti-Wall Street” vote, IIRC he also claimed the greater share of the Wall Street political contributions. The Republicans get the tag of being in Wall Street’s pocket, while the Democrats get the cash from those pockets.

  • wlcjr

    Obama did not have to change his position. He could have simply said that he and Biden disagree and that is OK. But deep down Obama is too much of a narcissistic ideologue to walk away from such an opening.

    I have been waiting for the next shoe to drop… Biden bows out over family/health reasons, setting the path for somone younger and exciting to take his place. Biden serves no useful purpose at this point. Wasn’t he even wrong about the OBL mission? Leading Obama down this path can not have helped him.

  • edintexas

    My position is we can only hope for change this time around. It is far, far from a sure thing. Gas prices are dropping due to economic uncertainty about China. But John Q. Public doesn’t give a fig about China’s economy, nor is he told much about it outside of the financial pages. What he does know is his gas bill is going down, and that is good. Dear Leader had nothing to do with the reduction, but if he can – he’ll claim credit.

    The situation in Greece could suddenly improve. Anything outside of our ability to influence the course of history, and the election, could happen. Dear Leader could privately promise the Greek government (if they can form a stable one) a separate bail-out, if only they temporarily (say until the first Wednesday in November) agree to the EU austerity program. Would he do that – those who say he’d do anything to stay on the public gravy train and in power are most likely correct and he would if he could.

  • Stricia

    old white guy like a old white guy like Al Gore? Naaaah. I think ever our dear leader is even brighter than that. However, it might bring Obama some of that enviro-eco-whacko vote. But more than likely those fringe folk would vote Dumbocrat anyway.
    Personally, I’m still 50/50 on whether or not Biden gaffed on same-sex marriage or it was planned all along. Both scenarios are equally plausible.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Maybe?

  • Stricia

    Oh, for giggles ——- how about John Edwards? Oh, I’m slaying myself!

  • commonsenseobserver

    How could we forget him?

  • Stricia

    n.t.

  • quixote

    wouldn’t is just feel so warm and wonderful to vote for the first GLBT ticket?

  • Stricia

    then he could “re-compete” for the prize of all-time-worst-POTUS.

  • commonsenseobserver

    But even President Carter does not hate America, so I doubt so…

  • Stricia

    Newsweek cover with Obama – 2 questions would arise:

    1) Would she also have a halo — or horns?
    2) If so, what color(s) would it be?

  • persisto

    Eric, I’ll take a contrarian view on this. This might be the day Obama WON re-election. First, it is a rare example of him taking any stand at all, even if he was forced into it by Joe Biden. Second, it takes a bone of contention among his base off the table–something that would otherwise have depressed his base turning out to vote at all. Third, while his opinion on the matter really settles nothing, it does give direction to the terms Freedom and Equality, themes he is developing as the campaign goes along. I don’t see where Romney wins any votes by pandering to the anti-gay groups.

  • funwithknives

    grade on a class curve? Does everyone get a ribbon or trophy?

    He sealed his records, hours after ‘The Coronation’. What else do you need to know?
    There is nothing but “Concentrated Evil” {see: ‘GhostBusters’} in there and you are rest assured of that.
    As far as his education is concerned, you gotta admit he’s a savant where Public Memory is concerned. He’s totally aware of short-term memory affliction., in the case of ‘ BooBus Americanii ‘.

  • funwithknives

    What are the prizes? Entry forms?

    Sounds like a Continuing Diary, if you ask me..?

    I submit one vote, For Alan Greyson.(D-Fla.)

  • funwithknives

    “Feeble Ole’ Joe’ is diagnosed with dementia, Alzheimers or a super-massive case of depression. He gives ‘buh-bye’ speech in N C and it is on for Number Two.
    Hillary? # 2 is not her style.

    Panetta? Gettin’ warm……

    Chris Van Hollen? ditto.

    Andy Cuomo? Bulls-eye!!!!!

  • Jack_Savage

    Your vote is recorded, and the committee has awarded you a place in the finals already. Joe Biden has, however, set the bar quite high (or low as the case may be).

  • Jack_Savage

    Edwards for VP!

    As a side note, they probably won’t even tell Biden. They’ll just let him think he is still VP,

  • Change Jar Conservative

    was the “Gee, I don’t like Romney, he’s not conservative enough for me on social issues” voters coming home plus a few “I won’t vote for a morman” voters coming home.

    The polling up until this point has show that the difference between Obama’s numbers and Romney’s is in the percentage of their individual party.

    There is still the Ron Paul factor to be determined as to if those people join Romney and bring their money and enthusiasm or if they stay home or even vote Obama.

    If I had to bet today on the winner, I would bet Romney, but tehre are still some important events to come in the next 6 months.

  • msctex

    This is the only issue I have seen where even Obama’s defenders were willing to admit this was political pandering. There are people on the Left who believe this to be a genuine issue of Right and Wrong in terms of personal freedom, who are very disappointed to not be able to work their way around the timing of this, as well as the usual tone-deaf, mis-managed, badly orchestrated overall presentation which is the hallmark of this disaster of an Administration. These are the people who could make no hay from the death of Bin Laden, simply because there was no realistic way to pretend Obama had anything to do with it. His suit has proven so utterly empty that again, even here, people cannot help but note the negative space. He is clearly mouthing whatever words he is fed.

    The point being: BHO somehow managed to make what should have been a win, however cynical and cloying it might actually be, another loss. And as far as Biden goes, there seems to be an overall sense concerning this matter that he need be either an idiot or a tool, but not both. He is of course the lattermost.

  • patriotaz

    You’re too funny!! I enjoyed this belly laugh to start the day!! :<)

  • filobeddoe

    Im an independent. I am conservative. I see Romney as marginally better than Obama. In my opinion, Romney is not a Republican, unless Republicans enact big socialist mandatory health insurance programs. Or talk about increasing the minimum wage. I didnt vote for McCain either (I wrote in). But even McCain is more “conservative” than Romney.

    And as for VP, Im tired of liberal Republican candidates choosing conservative vp candidates. I want Palin. I want Cheney. Let the wimpy moderates take a back seat.

    What is winning? Electing a liberal over a socialist? What did we get for electing Bush? Smaller government? No. We got more education and prescription drug spending. I dont see Romney being more “conservative” than Bush. I see him pushing a VAT tax. Winning to me is putting in a conservative who will push through a conservative agenda rather than a liberal who will destroy the Republican brand. We will waste another 8 years with Romney if he wins. I’d rather have 4 more years of a hobbled Obama followed by a conservative than 8 years of Romney.

    I find it ironic that we spent a lot of effort to get rid of Lugar only to elect a RINO. Ive said it elsewhere here. I see a lotta soul selling here. At at wholesale prices. Im tired of holding my nose and Im not going too. All the other Republicans on the ballot have my vote.

    Back to Eric’s article, I think the issue may help more than Eric thinks. It wont win him new votes. But it will gain back votes Obama has lost. It (along with his other recent issues) will motivate liberals who are unhappy with Obama. The people who are against gay marriage probably werent going to vote for him anyway. The undecided have far better reasons to vote Obama with the current economic climate. After securing (or recovering) his base, he will put his moderate mask on again.

  • Joshua Persons

    EO-13489 has nothing to do with any of Obama’s records prior to his presidency — not his birth certificate, not his college transcripts, not his Illinois voting record, not his grade-school finger paintings. EO-13489 — which, by the way, is almost exactly the same as the last EO signed by Reagan while in office — specifically pertains only to direct artifacts of the actual presidency.

    From the text of the order, ‘”Presidential records” refers to those documentary materials maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice Presidential records.’ So going to the Presidential Records Act, “The term `Presidential records? means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.’

    Now, if you have evidence that the Obama administration is using this EO to block access to his historical records, I’m all ears. But that would be a pretty clear abuse of the EO, and not at all its explicit intent. The statement “He sealed his records [(grades and transcripts)] hours after [the inauguration]” remains false.

    Again, I wouldn’t put it past the administration to abuse this, but I haven’t yet read of anyone even trying to access the transcripts, let alone being blocked by Obama’s legal thugs.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    Dripping your camouflage paint is, young padawan.

  • Bill S

    The GOP presidential candidate has been determined. Your comments are unhelpful. You can restrict your postings to races other than the Presidential one, support the GOP candidate, or STFU about Romney.

    As I’ve noted on other threads, the policy here is “Conservative in the primary, GOP in the general”. The primary is over. Now the GOP candidate is the one we support. If you don’t support him, don’t vote for him. But keep your yap shut about it.

    I’m not banning you – yet.

  • Bill S

    .

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    ..And I want my mommy! Talk me through how Palin or Cheney wins the nomination at this point. What is your strategy for getting what you want? Really, the more the “Real Conservatives” become a dissaffected rump demand that we respect their authorite’; the more they resemble The Golden Dawn Party in Greece.

    You can make all the unfair stereotypes that get hung on conservatives look accurate and fair by how you personnally choose to react to bad news. Now man up and stop blithering. You look like a drunken idiot.

  • westcoastpatriette

    The bigoted meanies.

  • gwbramhall

    You can never underestimate the power of the big lie when it
    seems the whole world believes it as it will be made to seem
    by the aid of the MSM. I still have to hose down my wife who
    still thinks Romney is a big bully based on his (presumed) High
    School high jinx. I showed her the column on his more “heroic”
    behavior as an adult and she relented on holding an 18 year
    old child’s behavior over the good deeds of the full grown
    adult. In case you missed it, the relevant part of the story
    is here. You’re unlikely to see it recounted anywhere in the our
    blessed Media.

    It?s really interesting the way the Washington Post chose to end their article, by noting that Romney received an alumni award just a year after John Lauber?s untimely death. You know what happened a year before Lauber lost his battle against liver cancer? A boat carrying a family of four, two friends, and the family?s dog sprang a leak on Lake Winnipesaukee, dumping them into the dark waters of early evening, and leaving them to howl in terror as other boats zipped around them. Mitt Romney and two of his sons happened to be vacationing in the area. They jumped onto jet skis and raced to the rescue. Governor Romney was pulled off his jet ski at one point. They even saved the dog, a Scottish terrier.

    A couple of years before that, Romney performed a similar rescue for a group of kayakers who were shoved onto hard rocks by fierce winds.

    In 1996, the fourteen-year-old daughter of a Bain Capital partner was kidnapped. When Mitt Romney learned of this, he shut down the entire multi-million dollar firm and flew the entire staff to New York, so they could help look for the girl. Romney hired private detectives, set up a toll-free tip line, coordinated with the NYPD, papered the streets with fliers, contacted every Bain customer in the city, and personally hit the bricks with the Bain crew to join the search. They found her, just in the nick of time ? she was dying from an overdose of drugs in a New Jersey basement. She was only rescued because someone saw news coverage of Romney?s search efforts.

    Thirty years earlier, Mitt Romney was a high school student who may, or may not, have been slightly more of a jerk than the average teenage boy. How?s that for an ?evolution?? Why on Earth would any reasonable person think his high school misadventures tell us more about his character than his deeds later in life?

  • filobeddoe

    So you will ban a conservative because he doesn’t agree with the party? That’s something liberals do, isnt it? Not that your a liberal. But that’s what they do.

    Hardly a way to get the many holdouts (and there are many of us) to come your way.

  • gazill

    that this was sent out as a balloon. While Biden is Biden, the media and their questions are directed through the administration. This conversation was specifically directed. By sending in the clown, it buys a chance to distance the WH from the VP statements. The vote against gay marriage in NC was a circumstance they could have and should have considered, seeing the general public, when given the choice, still oppose same sex marriage in 100% of all elections, before floating this out.

    While Biden may seem a buffoon (and he gives no reason to doubt such a characterization), I think the only thing that separates him from BO is that BO is wise enough to (mostly) stay on teleprompter. If you consider BO when not on the prompter, he is just about as absurd (he just stutters and says uhhh more) as Biden.

  • fishgod3

    It`s no contest. Nancy Pelosi/D Cal

  • commonsenseobserver

    And making baseless attacks against its presumptive nominee.

  • filobeddoe

    Write in Mommy for Pres. and Cheney for VP. Palin you can write in for senator.

    I dont know. Calling people names is a poor way of trying to convince those of us who are unconvinced. But I have a question for you…………….ready………..

    If Dick Lugar was the Republican nominee for Pres., would you vote for him.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Because Senator Lugar, at the very least, voted with Republicans more than three-fifths of the time, while write-in candidates won’t even have the chance to be voting with Republicans.

  • filobeddoe

    then point out my baseless attack. What did I say about Romney that was baseless? He passed Romneycare. Kennedy laughed behind him as he signed the bill. He said he wanted to raise the minimum wage. Are these Republican values?

    Actually, the main point of my original response was that I dont think the gay issue will hurt Obama as much as we hope.

  • Bill S

    Shut The **** Up.

    My prior comment stands. Primary’s over. Enough with the Romney bashing. He’s the candidate. Period.

  • Bill S

    “Not a Republican”
    “Liberal”
    “Hobbled Obama”‘
    “RINO”

    Last warning, pal.

  • Bill S

    …

  • filobeddoe

    say that would probably be the right decision.

    But with Romney, Romneycare sticks in my craw. It aptly demonstrates how Romney really thinks. Pander to the people to be loved. Big government programs to solve problems. Basically, I view Romney as Mike Blumberg. Another limousine liberal using the Republican party ticket just to get power. I see no reason to help him out.

  • sbm1

    It isn’t so much that it has a 0 for 31 record of winning in elections, it just hasn’t been asked properly yet, or done by the right people…..just like the morons who say socialism would be the ideal political form, it just hasn’t been tried the right way yet….

    The problem with both is they are inherently flawed and will never succeed.

  • filobeddoe

    I dont think stupid people can be willfully stupid. It is beyond their choice.

    “Not a Republican”. Just because you call yourself a Republican doesnt mean you are one. See Mike Blumberg.

    “Liberal”. Obama is for raising the minimum wage. Romney is for raising the minimum wage. Obama is for mandatory government health insurance. Romney enacted mandatory government health insurance. This are liberal/socialist policies.

    “Hobbled Obama”. As long as the Repubs. hold the House (and I am voting for the Repub. congressional candidates), Obama cant get much of his socialist agenda thru. That is unless Boehner and McConnell let him.

    “RINO”. Republican In Name Only. See “Liberal” above. See Mike Blumberg.

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    His opponent is a committed Democrat. I’ll take a wish-washy, uncommitted Democrat over a committed, motivated one any day of the week!

  • filobeddoe

    I know what STFU meant. I just liked hearing you say it again. It made your first argument more vitriolic than persuasive.

    Anyway, primary over or not, Romney can use the criticism. Where he had no problem being low down and dirty to conservatives, he now seems more tepid to Mr. Obama. He could still win my vote (well, maybe) if he showed some spine.

    We dont Romney any favors by making a Golden Calf.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Shut
    The
    F*ck
    Up

    It is one suggestion you should consider strongly.

  • PowerToThePeople

    your patience Bill but she said I should send half of my asshole persona to you in exchange for half of your nice guy persona that way you do not put up with as much here as you do and I would be likable half the time.

  • filobeddoe

    you could part with much more than that and still be the same person.

  • rigdum

    what is left out in all of these polls that show that Americans support gay marriage [and then are contradicted in every state] is the nuance of civil unions. If you have to say “gay marriage” or no rights for gays, more than 50% will say “gay marriage”; but if you can choose “gay marriage,” “civil unions”, or nothing, about 25+% will say “gay marriage” and another roughly 35% will say “civil unions”. This is why when you vote in a state that already has many civil union type protections, like California, gay marriage will always lose.

  • PowerToThePeople

    but do not play stupid, that is not what you are doing nor is criticism your goal. I have seen you state many a time on here that you will not vote for Romney, period. That is not criticism, that is a violation of house rules. You have a right to vote for who you please, but you have an obligation to abide by site rules.

    And sorry bub, but if you are half the conservative you think you are, you would spend all your effort working to rid this country of Obama and as many dems as possible and save your criticism for them. Once Romney is elected, then you would put the fire to his feet.

    But I think you know that, I also think you have decided to remain in moron land regardless of the damage it causes to our party and our country.

  • PowerToThePeople

    I take that as the highest of praise especially coming from a moron such as yourself. I always find success in making POS realize I am a complete asshole when it comes to their idiocy.

    Thanks again…….

  • Bill S
  • califgal

    don’t ask why it is that 95% of black Americans are going to vote for Obama when on a series of issues they disagree with him. I mean, is there any other POTUS candidate that received 95% support from one demographic?

    The only reason is racism and this is the time for that issue to be raised. Non-blacks are sick of the racist label being thrown at them for no reason at all, yet when you get blacks behaving in a racist, tribal manner, no one discusses it.

    To blacks, it’s not about the issues, it’s about black versus white and they have decided to vote based against a candidate because of his race=racist.

  • califgal

    Biden and putting Hilary on the ticket. Rush said this morning, DC is abuzz with that meme, but for the life of me, I think Hilary, assuming she still entertains dreams of being POTUS, would be hitching herself to danger.

    If they should win, she risks being in a role that she’d hate, VP, and she’d be subject to the vagaries of his second term. If things don’t go well for another 4 years, her chances of being POTUS are doomed.

    She stands a better chance of being the Dem nominee and being elected POTUS if Obama wins a second term without her as his Veep: if he does well in that term because things get better, she’s standing in the wings as the next possible nominee. If he does badly, she is not saddled with his problems, and she will have been out of the public eye for 3 years or so, not subject to people getting sick of her.

    If Obama loses this election, and Romney has a good first term, she’ll not run. If he has a bad first term, she can enter the fray.

    In my mind, if POTUS is still in her dreams, her chances are increased by doing as she says she plans–retiring, then sitting back and waiting out the next three years to see how things proceed.

    I actually do think she’s telling the truth when she says she’s tired. Secretary of State is an incredibly physically tiring job, not to mention the emotional toil it takes. I do think she’s hoping that her daughter might present her with a grandchild and that she gets a chance to rest and enjoy life for a time.

  • califgal

    some Hispanic votes in a close state, might he nominate either an Hispanic or a woman?

    He has the advantage of his convention taking place after the GOP’s and he can wait to see whom Romney nominates.

    If we know Biden, however, old Joe will do all he can to see to it he’s not dumped. He could always practice a bit a blackmail to stay on the ticket. Would you want to be Obama and not sleep at night if you dumped Joe and had to worry about what that MOUTH might say were he dumped?

  • califgal

    I actually think he could take NY. This is a state that takes delight in going against the liberal crazies in NYC, and which elected George Pataki to three terms, and which is forcing Andrew Cuomo into taking moderate positions and undertaking cost cutting.

  • califgal

    in states that count that Obama is the President of Big Hollywood and Hollywood and the Big Left of Hollywood pull his strings.

  • Bill S

    In the polls that actually mean something, homosexual marriage ha a record of around 0-for-32.

  • acat

    It’s a binary solution set.

    Mew

  • califgal

    is your wife so naive she doesn’t understand the hijinx of males in any number of situations in their young lives?

    Do you have sons?

  • acat

    Do try to keep up.

    Mew

  • kenchely

    It appears to me that the same thing is happening now with polls on gay rights that has long been true in other contexts. Polls in machine-run cities always look more favorable to the machine candidate than things really turn out to be–the respondents are afraid that the pollster is really a machine precinct worker and there may be repercussions. Polls on which there is a strong political correctness among cultural elites will always show more favorable to the political correctness than the results of the election will show. People don’t want to appear backward or out of sync with what the “beautiful people” believe, but behind a curtain, they vote what they really believe. The gays haven’t won a popular vote on marriage yet, not even in the most liberal states, despite the double effect of liberal Democratic machines running those states.

  • fightnright

    I especially agree that Hillary would be hitching her political wagon to a wheezing, gasping horse if she added her name to the ticket.

    Then, HRC would also have to condescend to be used as a tool that MIGHT pull from the fire the inexperienced man who came out of nowhere and stole her own chance for an historical presidency, then labor mightily to redeem HIS two term presidency, and HIS legacy.

    Not sure Hillary would be willing to be that gracious and altruistic, with a more flattering scenario possible a few years down the road – (not sure about her dreamily rocking an grandbaby and baking cookies at home, either… but life does have its way of mellowing folks :) )

  • rabun1016

    I didn’t think much of Palin, not being able to answer a layup question as to what papers she read. But, Biden? For goodness sake, all you have to do is read the law school plagiarism piece by E J Dionne when he was first running for President and you quickly conclude there could not be a dumber guy in the U S Senate, a body where there is competition for that award.

  • clintonformccain

    …what better way to distract the voters and make sure we aren’t paying attention while they are robbing us blind…

  • califgal

    anything as he sat at the table with Bush, Obama, etc. he might have WON the election, but the idiot said nothing, after suspending his campaign.

    Look, John McCain didn’t graduate at the bottom of his Annapolis class for nothing. He’s not that bright and he knows NOTHING of economics.

  • kenchely

    Liberals are nervous about social-issue campaigning by Republicans. The social issues cut liberals’ way in wealthy suburbs where the people have gone to school at places like Hah-vud and learned liberal social attitudes that have moved those suburbs away from their historic Republicanism. They cut the opposite way in the ghettoes and barrios, where minority voters may be dependent on liberal spending programs but they despise the liberal social attitudes of the Democratic Party. If the Republicans get 40% of the Hispanic vote and 15% of the black vote, the Democrats are done, and liberals know it.

  • califgal

    because the reason he was being removed would become the story and the reason is that he popped off on gay marriage, forced Obama into this gay marriage stance, and showed just how Obama is not one to stand on principles.

  • clintonformccain

    How else can you expain that the campaign website went live with Gay for Obama merchandise as soon as he made the announcement? This was all scripted as the week’s talking point.

  • califgal

    He is a clinical compulsive liar. This is an interesting malady. Mental health professionals dearly want to study this not uncommon personality disorder, as it is called, but they are frustrated by the lack of research in the area.

    The major problem is that compulsive liars (or mythomaniacs, as they are called) rarely seek treatment, and on the rare occasions they do, they often tell stories to the therapist. Lately, there are studies that indicate that there may be some neurological abnormalities in the frontal lobe with such people, and I am reminded that Joe had the brain aneurysm in ’88 or ’89. Perhaps damage had been done for years as that vessel damaged some tissue? Who knows?

    During his ’88 run for POTUS, he stood in front of a crowd in IIRC, Scranton, Pa and told the crowd that he came from a long line of miners–then he specified some relative that was a miner. When reporters began delving into what they thought to be a very interesting human story, they discovered it wasn’t true at all.

    Then, further investigation shows a Joe Biden who is liked by his friends for his affability, but who is known to tell whoppers, not just to friends, but to the press, on the stump, etc. God knows what he has said to foreign leaders and diplomats. People had to have told Obama about this proclivity, and when he choose him, I was saddened by the media’s silence.

    Because I have a friend with this affliction, I’ve done a lot of reading about it. They think, but aren’t sure, that it may be a manifestation of obsessive compulsive disorder.

  • califgal

    voters reacting to the media and to the NYC-Hollywood-Obama connection.

    They don’t like the idea that the Chicago group had fashioned a candidate out of whole cloth, sold it to them with fancy movie industry staging and storytelling and with a fawning, manipulative presss.

  • califgal

    There has never been a more socialist POTUS than Obama.

    I sense you are a troll.

  • califgal

    Nope. He looks wild-eyed.

  • califgal

    to be anti-gay marriage is not to be anti-gay. That is the distinction that escapes you and gay advocates, evidently.

  • acat

    First, there’s no danger of either pushing hard enough against a relatively weak president to shift policy. Neither really has the chops for the kind of politicking required.

    Then .. they also act as life insurance….

    Mew

  • aesthete

    Social issues which can be changed by legislative or executive action (with the exception of education) account for, at best, < 1% of what government does and spends money on. It's a complete waste of time to be talking about gay marriage and the like, when we are headed towards the direction of Greece.

  • fightnright

    it’s been my long held belief that McCain is seen as a loser because he has invested in a meta-narrative of himself as a selfless, subservient underdog – a self-effacing profile Mac believes makes folks naturally want to love and respect him.

    That’s not what people are looking for in a national leader, however. They want somebody they can look up to and admire. If McCain had shown some spunk and played up his heroism, life wisdom, and statesmanship, instead of going in as some noble and gentlemanly sacrificial lamb, he might have developed some traction. But I’m not sure the man had it in him to take the role of warhorse any longer. As we’ve found, you really need an unrelenting, merciless fighter to beat a team like Obama’s.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AWG9_yoyo yoyo

    - and therefore should be disqualified from the contest of Stupidest Man in America.

    However, on second thought, she does represent San Fransisco….

    Hmmmm……

  • soldiermom11

    The Peter Principle represents it’s highest level of incompetence in the person of Obama. Every day the news reflects another botched plan. His latest today is to tell the womaen of Barnard College in his graduation speech his opinion on how they should dress and spend their money. A lot of the bright women at Barnard did not take it too well. I think Romney’s capital among women just skyrocketed. I can’t even imagine him attempting to tell Ann how to dress.

  • cbartlett

    I nominate Biden or Barney Frank for the male version and it’s a toss up between Pelosi, Washermann-Shultz, and Sheila Jackson Lee for the female slot.

    (My parents have lived in the same house for 49 years and were re-zoned into S J Lee’s district a few years ago. They get sick every time she shows up on TV knowing that she “represents” them – gag!)

  • cbartlett

    Both Obama and Romney could squash this whole issue by simply saying “This is not a federal issue. States should decide this. I am running for a national office. Period.”

    Romney could use this on lots of issues that tend to get him in trouble. It’s the economy. And we’re not stupid. Stick with it. Don’t let the media distract you.

    Perry said it – Make the federal government as inconsequential as possible. It still works.

  • funwithknives

    Transparency and all that bullsh–.
    Please don’t tell us unenlightened boobs that no-one filed FOIA, and we can’t even find the response.

    “You haven’t read of anyone” trying, it so it hasn’t Ever Happened?

    InSoFar as the Falsity of my Statement,I stand here humbled, but no more informed {Re:Barry’s Smarts} than before.
    Thanks for the Heads Up.

  • funwithknives

    But in the last revision, they ‘Balloooned’ me into McCotter’s 11th district.
    T’was close…….

    {I’m really close to the infamous Eight Mile Road……..}

  • Joshua Persons

    Last I checked, private institutions aren’t subject to FOIA requests, so I’m not sure how they’d help with his school transcripts.

    If you have stories of Obama blocking release of his transcripts or other historical records, let me know. The burden’s on you to prove your claim. When you do I’ll shout it to the mountaintops. Until you do, you’re just spreading unsubstantiated rumor.

  • http://www.twitter.com/AWG9_yoyo yoyo

    …Jim Clyburn’s district – Egads!

    My neighbors on the other side of the road are SC District 6, my side is SC District 1 (Tim Scott).

  • funwithknives

    …but John’s wife is doin’ federal jail time for Bribery.
    Beat that, why-doan-cha?
    Plus I could’a got Hansen Clarke. EEeewwww…….

  • mwisemiu

    My co-workers who no doubt voted for him the first time are distressed over BO’s proclamation last week. They even discussed, at length, where in the bible such things are prohibited. But when I asked if they would now be voting for Romney, they laughed, Heartily. They said there was NO WAY they could vote for Romney. So, although they are not pleased with what BO said he now approves of, after he said he didn’t, after he said he did…. They will still vote for him, again, no doubt.