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The Whupping in Wisconsin: Seven Key Conclusions

Hey, we should do this again ? one more recall in Wisconsin. Fourth time's the charm. Right? Right?

Now I know what MSNBC means by lean forward. I leaned forward as I was viewing, watching for signs of possible coronaries live on TV.”

Last night in Wisconsin, Democracy died because Republicans spent a bunch of money and Wisconsin saw record voter turnout levels across the state where they decisively sided with the incumbent Republican Governor against the ongoing childish assault on representative democracy by leftists unhappy with the hand the voters dealt them in 2010. Or something like that.

Remember, the left was perfectly fine with money in politics when they thought Barack Obama was going to raise $1 billion with which he would bludgeon the GOP. Now that it is not happening, money in politics is again evil. It is no coincidence that the left seized on this talking point even before the polls closed. They think it sells well. But it doesn’t. Remember in 2010, they tried to claim the Chamber of Commerce was spending foreign money to help the GOP? Lot of good it did them then.

These are also the same people who once told us the Wisconsin recall was a harbinger of GOP overreach and voter retaliation would ensue. Suddenly, the recall means nothing according to these same people. The Chairwoman of the Democratic Party once called last night a “dry run” for the general election. Heh.

Last night in Wisconsin, despite a disastrous run of exit polling, made more difficult by the dynamics of a recall election, Scott Walker handily beat Tom Barrett. What exit polls suggested would be a close race turned into a romp. The left has resorted to screaming about money in politics. What they cannot reconcile is that, most likely, were Barack Obama and MItt Romney on the ballot last night as well as the Walker v. Barrett race, Barack Obama would have won despite all the GOP money pouring in.

I maintain that special elections mean very little to general elections. The flawed exit polls were flawed because people who vote in recall elections vote in different ways from general elections. There was a massive union vote in Wisconsin last night. We can conclude that Scott Walker winning big with a big union turnout means even private sector union members hate public sector unions. But we should be careful not to over conclude things based on Wisconsin.

Republicans around the country should take note of that. While I maintain recalls and special elections are not really good indicators of anything beyond the dynamics of those races, there are a few things Wisconsin tells us that do bode ill for President Obama and that are easy to conclude.

The first thing we can conclude is that defense of public sector unions is now a non-starter even in the birthplace of American progressive politics. Union voters voted for Scott Walker. Republicans have a new battle tested issue that sells well even in blue states.

The second thing we can conclude is that the same winning coalition of disaffected independent voters, tea party activists, and Republicans held together in Wisconsin to keep Scott Walker. More importantly, and perhaps most importantly, the demographic shift that saw the Democrats lose their hold over the rustbelt in 2010 has continued to the Democrats’ disadvantage. Couple that shift away from the Democrats with the Republicans’ new found strengths in Appalachia and the Democrats who like to claim Republicans cannot win in New England will have an even harder time winning in the heartland. Both in North Carolina with gay marriage and in Wisconsin with the recall, a real silent majority stood up to be counted and heard.

For all the Democrats’ talk about their growing strength in the west, it is still going to take several decades for them to make up the votes lost in the rust belt and Appalachia. Wisconsin’s recall election shows that the demographic trends against the Democrats are starting to lock in, including losing blue collar white voters and even a number of private sector union workers. As my friend Dan Gainor pointed out on twitter, Scott Walker won by a larger margin last night than Barack Obama did against John McCain nationally. Nonetheless, some in the media would have you believe Walker only barely got by.

The third thing we can conclude from Wisconsin is that the Republican Party’s use of technology in its GOTV efforts really paid off. We should be thanking the Democrats for giving us an opportunity for a live test of our new GOTV tools and ground game. Scott Walker’s thumping of Tom Barrett showed the GOP, in a blue state, has the ability to pinpoint voters and get their voters to the polls. 2012 will be the first truly technology driven Presidential campaign, run on iPads and iPhones. The Democrats handed the GOP a marvelous gift of a recall that went on and on and on. By the time everyone got to the gubernatorial recall, the GOP had its GOTV tweaked perfectly.

It exceeded expectations.

The fourth thing we can conclude from Wisconsin is that Barack Obama is extremely nervous. He would not campaign for Tom Barrett. Only on election day did he tweet out his support for Barrett in 140 characters. Barack Obama has batted 1000 in seeing those candidates with whom he campaigns for statewide office go down in flames. Despite their bold prognostications that Wisconsin does not matter and all is well and Obama was just too busy, the Democrats know that they poured in a lot of resources only to lose Wisconsin while giving the GOP multiple recall votes to get their GOTV right. It should speak volumes to Democrats everywhere that Bill Clinton was happy to go campaign for Tom Barrett in a state Barack Obama’s campaign considers a swing state, but Barack Obama was not willing to get tied to a loss there. Remember when James Carville said Barack Obama needed to borrow one of Hillary’s . . .

The fifth thing we can conclude is that exit polling does not work well for recall elections. Consider that voters were evenly split going into the polls on whether they supported Scott Walker’s reforms or not. Likewise, roughly two-thirds of voters either were or were related to union members, which was a bit higher than in 2010. The presuppositions were therefore that this would be close. It’s not so much that the exit polling was wrong, as it was that the presuppositions that went into formulating the exits and, more importantly, into interpreting the exit polling was wrong. The presuppositions the media makes headed into November desperately need to be recalibrated. The media is still operating on FDR Coalition presuppositions in their formulation of and analysis of exit polling data.

The sixth thing we can conclude from Wisconsin is that Barack Obama is still the favorite there, but, while I hate to be repetitive, the Democrats’ continued recall efforts have made the state much more competitive for the GOP in that state.

The seventh thing we can conclude from Wisconsin is that MSNBC is consistently the most entertaining news network in America when things go badly for the left. They may think Fox is in the tank for the GOP, but Fox anchors don’t cry when the GOP loses. I was actually concerned that Ed Schultz might have a medical episode on live television last night. It was … surreal. Now I know what MSNBC means by lean forward. I leaned forward as I was viewing, watching for signs of possible coronaries live on TV.

Here’s one thing I don’t think we can easily conclude, but I would take away from Wisconsin. Anger does not win elections. In November, the GOP should be happy warriors, not angry. Let the left be angry. One of the things the left did in Wisconsin that has not been well reported is send mailers to voters documenting their neighbors’ voting history. Think about that. A leftwing group sent mail pieces to voters trying to shame them into voting by revealing how much or how little they choose to participate in the democratic process. How many voters turned out to vote mad as hell at the left for stooping to this level?

Lastly, I hope the GOP in Washington, which is often afraid of its own shadow, is watching this. In Wisconsin, the Republican Governor was willing to pick a fight on a core Democrat issue, stick to his guns, and go through a recall process. And he won. Sometimes, Messrs. Boehner and McConnell, you don’t have to compromise. You can stick to your guns and still win.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    It may be helpful to annotate the aforementioned seven-lessons by digesting key-points that emanated from the Fox All-Star Panel.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    This trend was notable after ’08 and was confirmed during conversations with NY-unionists [who reflected a split with private-sector unions]. Even in Wisconsin, the defeat of the union-backed “D” was a harbinger, for the sequellae appeared to resemble a “campaign in search of a cause” as it wandered among multiple issues [settling, apparently, on corruption...as Schultz yelped].

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/06/05/schultz_reacts_to_walker_win_he_could_be_indicted_in_the_next_few_days.html

  • The_Gadfly

    Perhaps people are so tired of being called racists, homophones, cavemen, bigots, etc and so tired of fighting against it that they’ve come up with a new strategy: They will lie like a rug to pollsters and in the privacy of the voting booth do what they please. Which was always sort of the point of anonymous voting.

  • The_Gadfly

    for the new sig line. I think I’m going to be able to keep that one for a while.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    EE noted a [non-sociological] “winning coalition of disaffected independent voters, tea party activists, and Republicans,” serving as a prelude that fly-over-America could landslide into the R-column.

    Each region has been affected by BHO’s elitism/arrogance [coal-rich Appalachia, the flooded Mississippi Valley, the violence in the southern border-states, the lost oil-$ in the Gulf-states, the avidly pro-abortion stances in the South].

    And if/when Romney opts for Luis Guillermo Fortu?o Burset [PR-Governor], he will not only capture the SW…but he will also make NY/California competitive [as they struggle, particularly the latter, with bloated D-generated budgets].

    Finally, Guzzardi and I feel that the candidacy of Tom Smith [against Casey] could galvanize the anti-D sentiments, particularly if Voter/Photo-ID is enforced. Just like Casey was ideal to unseat Santorum, Smith is modeled to reflect Casey’s Achilles’ Heels.

    {These comments were not made on FNC, but they amplify the above-observation.}

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    The FNC-Panelists noted that turnout was @ “Presidential Levels,” so this serves as an object lesson as to why it is necessary to organize an ARMY during the Summer-Months.

    I have been preaching that door-to-door data-acquisition should include e-mail addresses, allowing for provision of discrete/discreet updates [selectively, so as not to appear to spam].

    This could yield a comfort-level with the necessary attitudinal-readjustments that must be achieved for, surely, the D’s will again attempt to instill fear into the hearts of the citizenry.

  • mizzou1776

    MSNBC was a joy last night: Maddow ragging about $$$$, Larry O basically avoiding the issue & in utter denial finishs with a feel good kid story (Mr. Warmth), Eddy boy was priceless. Media Matters were so stunned that all their Sirius radio show host could do was sputter impotently that the race was being called to soon. So sad. So sorry. Please contact all these nuts & laugh. They so richly need, require, must be ridiculed. After all who’s tampering with democracy now? ERIC: could you please take every opportunity to let Davey Gurgle have it?! He is utterly vile & is a weasel phoney worthy of Harvard (Hates America).

  • commonsenseobserver

    The polls show him within striking distance, just like Kyrillos in NJ and Mandel in OH.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    It is truly extraordinary that Clinton’s quotes [acknowledging a double-dip recession and endorsing the Bush tax-cuts] emerged simultaneously, even after the NYC luv-fest that he helped to host [after he'd wandered off-message regarding BHO's attacks on Bain].

    One could suggest that Dick Morris’ quote ["Clinton has told everyone, privately, that the R's have six months to Save America by getting rid of BHO"] is operational, but it also may be possible that he’s working to tank BHO’s ratings to such a degree ASAP as to allow for the D’s to nominate Hillary for POTUS. He could easily assemble a “Hugh Scott Delegation” [comparable to that which "helped" Nixon resign in '75] under the aegis that he?the first AA-POTUS?could graciously predict election of the first ?-POTUS.

    I have been arguing this since ’08, and there seems to be no other alternate explanation for Clinton’s chicanery. The FNC’s note that BHO likes to “go it alone,” and this would prove just-desserts.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …who has guts.

    This is an ideal elixir to undermine the “nice-guy” imagery that Casey has nurtured, building upon his father’s instincts. Meanwhile, the pro-Lifers will come “home” and the suburbanites can be educated regarding the “98%” homology of Casey/BHO voting.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    The FNC-crew noted that many pro-Walker voters may have simply run to their cars out of disgust with the process, while the pro-Barrett advocates lingered to vent anger.

    {I would disagree with rejecting it, however, for anti-Barrett sentiments had to have been enhanced by the issues [or the lack of anything that would stick, vide supra].}

    In any case, assuredly, the internal-polling can be interpreted by experts to ward-off fear of confounding variables.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Perhaps, but the theme of the comments of multiple D-strategists on FNC [Joe Trippi last night, Bob Beckel on "The Five"] is that a loss would necessitate a prompt re-invigoration effort [in Krauthammer's view, to preclude the need to spend large sums in October].

    If a snowballing-effort to dislodge BHO develops, it could easily avalanche traditional-Progressives, even if November usually antedates the first snow-storm.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    I keep telling my friends that I monitor PMSNBC [particularly "Morning Joe"] more often than I watch FNC under the mantra “know thine enemy.”

    We were all richly-rewarded last night, as even the commentator from The Nation was also complaining that the election was being called prematurely.

    As PMSNBC starts its a.m.-show, the initial discussion is of Thomas Jefferson, Greece’s anti-austerity, paycheck-fairness, special-education….

    [BTW, CNN is struggling with the cool-sanity of Erin Burnett and the eccentricity of other pundits, as it attempts to attract eyeballs.]

    *

    Meanwhile, note this announcement ["narrowly survived"] from the NY-Times @ 10 p.m., when the initial results [~20% precincts reporting] were showing a 60-40 split:

    9:58 pm

    Michael D. Shear
    Walker Survives Recall Vote, Networks Project

    Scott Walker, the embattled Republican governor of Wisconsin, narrowly survived a recall vote on Tuesday, television networks project, defeating a union-led effort to remove him from office for pushing laws to restrict the collective bargaining rights of state workers.

    http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/results/live/wisconsin-recall?hp

  • bk

    This was a terrible night for Obama. He won WI by 14 in 2008 and it was supposed to be a given 12-18 months ago that Democrats would have no problem flipping the accidental vote for a bunch of WI Republicans in 2010.

    If Obama is doing 10 pts worse there than in 2008, where else is he doing 10 pts worse? He won Florida by less than 3 and Ohio by less than 5 for starters.

    And how in the tank are public sector unions going to be for Obama after they feel he and the DNC stiffed them in WI? Sure the union bosses will pour in money, but the enthusiasm of the grunts had to take a HUGE hit that will affect how hard they work for Obama in the fall.

  • michaelbowler

    “Sometimes, Messrs. Boehner and McConnell, you don?t have to compromise. You can stick to your guns and still win.”

    You can’t teach a cowardly RINO dog new tricks, time for new leaders.

  • denoff51

    ….Let the new recall process begin again. That’s a joke, but living out here in Cheeseville and watching the left, I would not be surprised to see these Dumbocrats standing on the street corners trying to get signees for a new recall. This law has got to be changed.
    The Republic Lives!!!

  • delta1

    I strongly disagree wit this statement.
    I’m a union member in New York State. Do public sector unions get too good a deal? Yes, but that certainly does not foment hate, as Eric has said. I do not know anyone in any union that feels that way.
    Union members are generally as rational as anyone else. Most of us vote for our country, NOT the union.

  • fredflintlock

    Americans are beyond tired of the left requiring proof that we are not racists, bigots or complicit participants in today’s targeted intolerance. We have nothing to prove to anyone and are starting to act accordingly.

    On the topic of McConnell/Boehner, maybe this social networking thingy could be harnessed to give both of them the boot after election day. Think DeMint would be interested? How about Franks (not Barney)?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and it stems from FDR’s opposition to public-sector unions.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Maybe because of that crying thing… :P

    I figure we should humour the two of them for four more years, then persuade them to retire. McConnell is simply too old, even if he wants a “legacy”.

  • uncmike

    It seems to me that, over the years, the quality of exit polling has deteriorated for all the reasons you state, among others. I don’t think it is simply because of the recall-nature of this specific election–I think it’s a more general problem.

  • renl57

    If the U.S. economy were expanding rapidly, then the argument from the Left would be that both private sector union workers and public sector union workers should “get their fair share.”

    But right now, U.S. GDP isn’t expanding any faster than the rate of population increase, meaning that per capita wealth has become a zero-sum game: Give more to the public sector unions, and private sector workers will get less.

    It’s in times of slow or no economic growth that liberal policies on redistribution of wealth get rejected. Because in those times, those favored by the liberals will get rewards *at the expense of* everybody else–and everybody else doesn’t like it.

    That was true in the stagflation of the 1970s as well–and that enabled conservatives to make great gains.

  • anjinconsulting

    Many union members are rational however, union leadership and the majority of union members vote for their own interests based on how they think their intersts will fare under the candidate(s) they have to choose from. That is human nature and there is nothing wrong with that.

    If union members voted for their country, unions as whole would not be fighting laws that allowed union members to decline payment of dues automatically, or supporting of laws that require citizens to join a union in order to get a job. No man should be forced to tithe his hard earned money to the union or even to join a union in order to make a living. Those practices are anethema to the principles of the constitution stated in the preamble.

  • funwithknives

    are tuned in to The SCUM and Media Mechanizations in general, it only stands to reason to take Polling Results, not only with some salt, but most of our spice cabinets, so as to create a yummy, satisfying broth.
    The exit polling reported was my first hint yesterday ,that Walker had it by no less than 7%.
    Believe it or not, I predict ‘stuff’ and seal it in envelopes, for future use. The number 7 was my “Karnak Moment”,for this case.
    {I scare me sometimes….}
    Now, it is apparent that Gadfly has it correct, and The People’s Gut Level has been reached.

    As an aside, I laughed last night almost continously for ….say, 45 minutes starting at 11 pm edt.
    I would’a danced but I’m really lousy at it……..

  • hoosierchristian

    For the life of me I can’t understand how some people believe Rep. Paul Ryan is good presidential timber, but ignore Gov. Walker’s far more impressive resume. The record Walker has built in Wisconsin is the antithesis to the Obama administration.

    The real winners last night were the people of Wisconsin.

  • jeffreywturner

    Wisconsin Dems were trying to flip control of the State Senate in the last round of recalls. I seem to recall that they came up one or two seats short. If they end up winning that one close (still undecided) senate race, would that give them the majority?

  • momofthecastle

    I live in Florida. I sent an e-mail to Gov. Walker during the union “riots” showing my support for him and encouraging him to stick to his guns. His office put me on their e-mail list and I constantly received updates from his office on what he has accomplished. I also received contribution requests, but I didn’t mind. Every time I got one, I prayed for the recall election.

    God is good.

  • commonsenseobserver

    A bare one seat margin, which would probably be changed in November.

  • bruceinva

    the loss of union dues to pour into campaigns as several states have now refused to automatically take union dues out of government worker paychecks. The employees have to opt in. And over half of one Wisconsin union’s 60k members did not opt in. That’s a lot less money for the union to work with.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Do they?

  • momofthecastle

    I will be watching Gov. Walker very carefully.

    For all the cries for Gov. Christie, I would take Gov. Walker over Christie any day.

  • funwithknives

    but the facts here are not deniable.
    Since introducing the option of opting out, public unions in Wisc. have lost over 34,000 members.
    They voted with their feet & wallets, then went to The Booths and Did That too.
    I live in Michigan and have lived alongside Unionists and watched them intently, & been one {but not for very long, rest assured}
    To say that Unionists vote Country First, in my experience is just plain bull. Not to mention your ‘rational ‘ proclimation, which is beyond the pale.

    I have lived in the shadow of Detroit for my entire life , and see Unionists such as Bob King and J H Hoffa Jr, weekly.They get free ink from local media {aka: Labor Voices} and allow me to comment their scribblings are emotionally irrational, false and use selective info,to”make their points”.

    As further witness, go to a Progressive/Union confab hereabouts and observe what passes for ‘rationality’ at them.{I do, very quietly }
    Ten minutes is normal ,and my tolerance level is done…….

  • bruceinva

    that there was a ‘one and done’ chance for recall under Dairyland’s laws.

  • bruceinva

    it’s irrelevant since the Senate won’t meet again until after the November elections unless Walker calls a special session.

  • Common_Cents

    That snobby hack is beside herself this morning. She had some liberal whack call Walker irresponsible, Will jumped in ready to smack him, saying the voters have spoken. Soledad kept bringing up obama’s great exit polls. LOL. You can see the disgust on her face and I love it. I’m tired of propagandist hacks like her.

  • Common_Cents

    Watching them squirm, deny, blame etc…

    They should read up on some Kubler-Ross

  • jaykali

    I anticipate a lot of MSNBC clips of Ed Schultz having a nervous breakdown.

  • momofthecastle

    that conservatives and Republicans need to stay humble and focused. I agree with the poster who said we need to be happy voters.
    One of the outstanding traits of progressives/liberals/socialists is that they live in anger. They yell. They call those who disagree with them names. They bring up “injustices” to divide the interests of the nation, and to encourage envy, greed and entitlement.
    We are not Americans because of blood or ethnicity or any of the things that create most other nations. We are Americans because of the ideas we believe in: equal opportunity to better ourselves (not equal outcome), the right to keep what we produce so that we may take care of ourselves and our family, respecting those who differ from us.
    Liberals/progressives/socialists would like us to believe that America is a place where all can receive the same amount of everything, where all SHOULD receive the same of everything.
    There is a great battle out there. Actually, it is a war. It is over the very beliefs that make us Americans. Wisconsin was a battle, an important one, but it was not the war. Let us be very careful to stay focused.
    I saw a lot of gloating last night as I followed the results on this website. We might want to remember that the meek will inherit the earth.

  • edintexas

    I wouldn’t be so quick to think that Mexican-Americans will flock to Romney if he picks a Puerto Rican as VP running mate. And there will be those who see it as a baldly political maneuver which may not endear Romney to some folks, Hispanic and Anglo.

  • Jack_Savage

    In order to win, you HAVE to stick to your guns. Conservatism, proclaimed boldly, wins. Period.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Grab a video of John Sununu treating her like the rank amateur she is.

  • commonsenseobserver

    As well :P

  • Kyle-MI

    Those who voted for Walker but indicated that they would vote for Obama might be persuaded to vote for Romney. If I were running the Romney campaign in WI, those are the people I would concentrate on. How can I show them that Romney is similar to Walker?

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    The exit polling was extremely flawed, it had this as a close election that Walker and Kleefisch won easily.

  • commonsenseobserver

    But also because his policies made sense to voters, and he was viewed as a pragmatic realist. Romney will have to make the same case for his policies, but to do that, he needs to have far clearer policies that can define him.

  • audax

    I forgot to write that one down to help my soon to be Alzheiners brain remember….I hate getting old…

  • msctex

    I think it was right after Bush beat Kerry and the Press was foaming at the mouth, that I wondered what it would be like if they ever realized that no one was really controlling them, and that if they wanted to, they could simply lie through their teeth, consistently, and thus control Perception to an extraordinary degree.

    This is to some degree how we ended up with the Fraud who now occupies the Oval Office, but these next five months should provide examples of pure, organized, intentional, shameless attempts at — not so much simply lying — but the obscuring of Facts and the Truth, the likes of which we have not yet seen.

    They have nothing to lose, and this is an existential moment for the Left.

  • APA Guy

    “Pragmatic” would have meant give and take where public unions and the budget were concerned. Scott Walker did what was necessary, pragmatism be damned.

    Mitt Romney will not win this election being a squishy moderate. That is not what the country wants, contrary to what the media wants you to believe. The country craves a clear and distinct alternative to Obama…which is a tax-cutting, budget-balancing, entitlement-reforming conservative.

    Mark my words…if Romney races to the middle instead of the right, he’ll lose the election. Thankfully for us, thus far he doesn’t seem to be in a hurry to join Obama on the left or anywhere near it. He can indeed learn a lesson from Scott Walker’s success: CONSERVATISM is the path to winning the electorate. Reagan knew this…Walker knows this and followed Reagan’s lead. Romney is smart enough to see it as well.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Pragmatic in the sense that he gave Wisconsinites the view that he did what he thought would help Wisconsin, instead of solely relying on his political ideology. Yes, of course conservative policies always help a community, but we have to make the case for that. There are practical results, real, solid benefits to Walker’s reforms- lower taxes, greater local freedom, balanced budgets etc., and these actually relate to Wisconsinites directly in a way that the unions could not match with their ideological mumbling about collective bargaining. Other Republicans must make the same case for their policies.

    Yes, embrace tax reform, embrace spending cuts, and embrace entitlement reform, but we must still point out how these will benefit taxpayers, and I think we’re currently doing a decent job on that.

    A case in point: We all talking about cutting tax rates, but it would be great if we could relate it to real savings for families and more economic growth.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    In Ohio in 2004, the exit polls did not match the outcome of the election. Democrats went ballistic, calling this the proof of a rigged election. But Dick Morris, also noting the disparity between exit polls and results, observed that it is far, far easier to rig the reporting of an exit poll than to rig an entire election. His conclusion was that between the DNC and the leftward press, somebody had conspired to misrepresent the exit polls in an attempt to influence elections elsewhere, and possibly to create a meme for contesting the election later.

    I believed him. And lo, and behold, we’re starting to see more frequently exit polls that do not reflect the outcomes of the elections.

    Never underestimate the willingness of the Democratic party to cheat. Most likely the close exit polls were not the result of some error in interpretation, but actually the result of a deliberate effort to make the election seem closer than it was, in order to influence voters who had not yet voted.

  • APA Guy

    I think you underestimate the brains of the working-class voter. Just look at how they voted last night for yet more evidence that they “get it” on such issues.

    Now, I will agree that Republicans must better explain the budget issue and its impact on the value of the dollar much better than they have, but that’s an issue that even some economists get wrong (see Paul Krugman…a Nobel Laureate) at times.

    In political jargon, “practical” or “pragmatic” usually means COMPROMISE…and that time has come and passed already. Compromise is what led us to the current economic disaster we find ourselves in. CONSERVATISM is what will right the ship, not pragmatism.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Being pragmatic means being practical, actually trying to solve problems instead of saying “I don’t have a good plan, but I don’t like yours”.

    That’s why we have to expose these “economists” as the liars that they are.

  • fredflintlock

    I fear that McConnell working things out in a back room with Reid would undermine any sincere effort Romney might have in him to genuinely reform government and reduce spending. Mitch could well hand the democrats the kind of ammo they would need in ’16 to remind voters that republicans always lie about cutting the budget.
    He really has nothing to contribute to a paradigm shift towards conservatism in the budgeting process. Boehner, not as much of a concern, but still…

  • commonsenseobserver

    Who would be the “next in line” for the Establishment?

  • Kyle-MI

    We rely too much on short cuts like arguing that our opponents are socialists or communists. Of course, some are, but the majority of the public doesn’t connect with what those words imply because the words have been over-used. When the public hears socialist, they don’t think, “bad economics”, they think, “you disagree with their policies”. We argue ideology instead of arguing the practical implications of what we are proposing.

  • trimulchio

    union issue well, controlling the CSEA and other public unions without a Walker-style controversy. This does not give the NYS GOP an issue now or in ’14 with the State-wide races.

  • trimulchio

    that negates the demograpic advantages that were supposed to accrue to the Democrats, is the increasing shift to K-1/1099 employment as opposed to W-2 employment status as a result of the Downturn and general economic trends.

    The self-employed are more tax-sensitive and are less likely to see Scoial Security and Medicare as sacred after paying self-employment tax.

  • trimulchio

    They will carry IL and little else. With an LDS believer as the Republican nominee, I would not boast much about CO and NV quite yet, where the LDS Church is very in both, if particularly in NV.

  • storminwgfp

    I’m in a private sector union (ALPA) and I have no use for public sector unions. My union is corrupt enough, and they don’t hold a candle to the public sector unions here in California.

  • trimulchio

    don’t have to be a House Member to be Speaker . . . .

  • trimulchio

    though, did a lot w/o a Gingrich-style over-reach into pseuo Prime Minister.

  • trimulchio

    the chops. If Romney wins this year, we’d be looking at 2020, if there were not a Senate run in between. Worth watching . . . .

  • trimulchio

    made to your advantage (graciously give up what is irrelevant to you to get more of what you need or will need).

  • ihateliberals

    n/t

  • fredflintlock

    But hey, if facebook helped take out a handful of mid-east dictators, isn’t this a fight worth waging in a democracy that is still presumably freer than what any of the citizens over there live under?

  • commonsenseobserver

    Isn’t he Conference Chair?

  • lerm

    What happened to that closet drama queen Richard Trumpka? The last time I saw him he was all-in the Walker recall. He’s probably busy explaing Pres. O’Bamas policies to coal miners.

    Oops

  • fredflintlock

    running both chambers at once. Something might actually get done for a change.

  • bclare

    Like other disasters in history, when Americans see people suffering they open their wallets and share their blessings. Scott Walker did nothing wrong and did not deserve a recall. And Americans from all over this country took notice and donated to alleviate the pain of this most recent disater known as the Wisconsin Recall.

  • fredflintlock

    we don’t have three conservatives running against the establisment nominee.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    A “D” by his name. When a Dem does something the left does not like they mostly grin and bear it. When a R does it, they go ape.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    As much as a third of the Union members had their dues discontinued as soon as it was possible. That is a lot of hurt for organized crime, er labor.

  • Locked and Loaded

    nt

  • romeg

    that all should be wary of relying on them for any purpose. Polls aren’t completely worthless but they are nearly so. There are just too many variables to make them really useful for predicting election outcomes, even if the poll is taken as the voter is leaving the booth, as has been seen numerous times in the past. And the more hotly contested the election, the less reliable the polling data due to the emotions involved.

  • Common_Cents

  • Common_Cents

  • lineholder

    There was a time when unions served a positive purpose, but that time has long past now. They became corrupted by both power and money. It is what they have been corrupted by that drives them now.

    Same thing is true with various organizations involved in civil rights activities….ACLU, NAACP, etc.

    The American people in general aren’t totally naive. They can deal with a certain amount of corruption…it’s even expected to a certain extent.

    But when it comes to having that corruption get in the way of this nation’s future…that’s a different story entirely. And no, Americans who love this nation don’t want that.

    WI has chosen not to follow that lead. I believe we have other states who are likely to do the same.

  • runner12

    transparently weak. The reason Walker raised so much money is because he needed it to even compete with the massive amounts of money pouring in from the Union coffers.

    Much of his funding was on a grass-roots level, consisting of sending out letters to people. I was one of those people who sent in the 25 and 50 dollar amounts to support Walker. A politician who will actually fulfill his campaign promises to balance the budget (even when it requires making tough decisions) deserves all of the support he gets.

    The Left’s second spin that this was a “win” for Obama is ridiculous. While I do not think the results of this election necessarily means he will lose WI (unfortunately), it does show it could be competitive. Additionally, Obama’s “no show” performance in WI will not win him much support from his side in that state.

  • onionman

    Even FDR was totally against the idea of public sector unions and that is the elephant in the room that the liberal media refuses to mention or even passingly acknowledge.

    I think Erick’s analysis is spot on and that one key thing we should take away from this is that public sector unions are vulnerable in a way that private unions (particularly and especially UAW) are not.

  • trimulchio

    The most successful Democarat Governor by most measures has governed more conservatively than the last Republican governor did after his first term.

  • porkandcheese

    That is the real advantage Republicans have thanks to this recall effort. It was a dumb move on the Democrats’ part, but the unions had to send their message. It was a shame how Obama deserted an early supporter like Barrett, who asked for help over and over. Yet Obama avoided him like the plague. Wisconsin will be more competitive this year, but Romney is still behind in polls. He needs the tea party more than he thinks; endorsements and money alone won’t carry the day.

  • porkandcheese

    + 5

    Common Sense and Clearly Stated

  • porkandcheese

    But he bowed to establishment pressure and sat this one out. No guts no glory. If ever there was a time to buck this next-in-line trend, it was this year.

  • porkandcheese

    When you know the other side is cheating, why not outright lie to the media so they don’t know how many votes they need to make up? Or it could be the losing side trying to motivate more of their supporters to turn up, but I doubt that’s it.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …I received an e-mail that disagreed with my viewpoint.

    I received permission to upload it, and then I will react….

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    [If anyone wishes to communicate with its author, send an e-mail and I'll forward it to him/her.]

    Your post below as it appears in RedState is WRONG, WRONG, and did I say WRONG???

    As a second generation native-born AMERICAN of Mexican descent I can tell you for a fact that Mexicans and Mexican-Americans do not particularly like Cubans OR Puerto-Ricans. Mexicans and Mexican-Americans are at least 66% of ALL SPANISH surnamed people in the U.S.A. Puerto Ricans are the next largest group of SPANISH surnamed people at 9%, DO THE MATH! New York City has the largest concentration of Puerto-Ricans outside of Puerto-Rico, and the Democratic Party does not NEED their votes to win New York on the Federal or State level.

    If Romney wants to take a big chance he should look at the first elected female American of Mexican descent, Susana Martinez, Republican Governor of New Mexico. Now she MIGHT be able to carry New Mexico, and possibly Colorado, and REDUCE Obama’s share of the “hispanic” vote from 69% to say 50%.

  • trimulchio

    “To the extent that these unions shape the Democratic agenda, Democrats aren?t just the party of government; they are the party of inefficient, expensive, unresponsive, bureaucratic government. They are the party of government workers first and foremost, and if there is a clash between the interests of the providers of government services and their consumers (between, for example, unqualified, unmotivated life-tenured public school teachers and kids), the unions come at these issues from the standpoint of protecting workers first, others second.” Walter Russel Meadhttp://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/06/06/the-people-united-go-down-in-flames/

  • fredflintlock

    But, can the base overthrow the republican leadership and get the party to promote people who will make promises of fiscal restraint real? Or do we shrug and accept “reality” with the kind of resignation that remarks like “in the freak event” demonstrate?

    This is nearly a thread jack, I know, but I remember well how the last wave of GOP victors was swept in on promises to cut spending only to become the next class of big spenders. Next time that happens will likely be the last time for this Nation.

    Can hopes and words generate positive action with the new tools?
    Can we return the party to its roots?
    Something to ponder while we celebrate with Scott Walker and the people of Wisconsin.

  • texashistorian

    by virtue of experience. I do not believe that we as conservatives ought to be engaging in identity politics for starters, but since it is part of our current discourse and political situation, it is what it is. The problem, as your email correspondent hints at, is that we cannot treat “Hispanic” voters as a block. They are not “Hispanic” to one another; rather they are Mexicans, Cubans, Dominicans, Guatemalans, etc. each with a distinct identity and culture.

    Rubio or Fortuno would perhaps appeal to Cuban or Puerto Rican voters respectively, but I don’t think would necessarily carry other “Hispanics” or “Latinos.” We really just ought to nominate the best possible veep and make the argument from principles, not race. Choosing Martinez, Rubio, Fortuno, Sandoval etc. for their supposed electoral racial benefit is a detestable on our side as it is when the Dems do it.We need to be better than that.

  • texashistorian

    the worst when talking about Bill Clinton and politics. He wants his wife (and therefore himself) in the Oval Office. If he has to trash BHO to achieve it, he will.

  • reggie1

    1. Don’t compromise. Walker held his ground, and that earned the trust and respect of independents. It also happened to help his plan work, which was de facto being based on Conservative principles.

    2. Don’t believe Obama’s numbers. Like Barett, he’ll still show some strength right up to the last minute. People are afraid to say they’ll vote against the left. Heck, they were still claiming to support Obama AFTER voting for Walker.

    3. Vote! Neither of the first two items matters unless you get to the voting booth.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    First, I had considered Martinez, but it doesn’t appear she is interested AND it doesn’t appear she has yet [in office for only 17 months] achieved a “deliverable.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susana_Martinez

    This contrasts with Fortu?o, who has been recognized as having achieved conservative “deliverables” [since 2009].

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Fortu%C3%B1o

    Regarding his achievements, honor my son’s order to “Watch the whole thing.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FnFmngISQA

  • ThePoliticalHat

    …it is a Pyrrhic victory. They wasted so much for such a little win that I hope they do it again and again.

  • ThePoliticalHat

    As much as it is a Pyrrhic victory, they did manage to achieve one of their goals: grabbing the state Senate — and the seat they grabbed is not up until 2014.

    November will not be a Cakewalk. The recall election showed that was can win. Now we must work our butts of to make sure that we DO win.

    The wind is not at our backs. We will have to work for it, and work for it hard. The only thing that is different then four years ago is that that goal of victory is within reach.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    [Again, if anyone wishes to communicate with its author, send an e-mail and I'll forward it to him/her.]

    FYI, I despise IDENTITY politics and those who engage in such practices are poverty pimps, ethnic and racial malcontents, and race hustlers.

    However, in the case of Gov. Susana Martinez, she has better qualifications than Obama had when he ran for President. Romney’s team should observe and evaluate her performance on HOW she handles the large fires that now rage in New Mexico.

    Gov. Susana Martinez governs a state that has turned purple and as a guess, every per-centage point she can trim off of the 69% “Hispanic” vote that Obama enjoyed in 2008 could very well mean ONE ELECTORAL VOTE for Romney. Nevada has 6, Colorado has 9, and New Mexico 5. I believe that a combination of Obama’s FAILURE to fulfill his promise to produce comprehensive immigration reform and his total immolation of the economy will cost him 10% of the “Hispanic” vote. That puts him at 59%, now let?s say that Gov. Susana Martinez can trim another 10%, now Obama is at 49%, Obama cannot afford that and would be TOAST. As I said previously, if she can just carry New Mexico at 5 electoral votes and Colorado at 9, she has more than done her job. A ten point trim in Obama’s support that yields 14 electoral votes, where do I sign? I would deploy Gov. Susana Martinez in just three states, New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada. A grand slam for Gov. Susana Martinez would be the a three state trifecta of New Mexico at 5 electoral votes, Nevada 6, and Colorado at 9, for a total of 20 electoral votes.

    Achieving that would be the equal of winning Pennsylvania with its 20 electoral votes.

    As for Marco Rubio, he said he does not want the VP slot, so let him replicate his U.S. Senate campaign and work Florida from the panhandle to Miami. And as Eric stated, copy and replicate Wisconsin’s GOTV model and IMPLEMENT it in every state.

    Now you stated that you disagree with my observations. Show me how Luis Guillermo Fortu?o Burset [PR-Governor], can do anywhere NEAR what I have in mind. Show me the HISTORICAL RECORD that can even plausibly demonstrate how a Puerto Rican can garner ANY Mexican or Mexican American support. They are TWO discrete, distinct, and separate populations. Now the Dems have a PR running for the U.S. Senate in Arizona, Carmona, an ex. George Bush Surgeon General.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Second, I actually welcome this discussion, inasmuch as it could yield a productive outcome.

    Specifically, I was told that there is some internal friction/competition among subgroups of Hispanics; except for Florida, however, I’m told that there are more Puerto Ricans throughout America. I had been told that there would be greater affinity of Hispanics from south-of-the border towards those from Puerto Rico than towards those from Cuba.

    This article reviews the topic, albeit from a D-perspective. I also abhor demographics-politics, but there is a certain undeniable reality to ethnic pride.

  • dianne2

    to base our voting decisions on the merit, morality, character, past performance, ability, political savvy and back-bone and NOT a candidates so-called race. I don’t even believe in “races,” only people groups. I do not have a bigoted, racist bone in my body (because I view all people as being precious souls) and I think that most people know that bigotry and racism is hateful and wrong.

    I think this race is motivated and defined mostly by the gimme, gimme crowd vs. the freedom loving, taking personal responsibility to heart crowd.

    People who want to keep their freedoms will sacrifice their own comforts to do so because it is worth fighting for, just like our forefathers who gave their fortunes and their very lifes blood for it.

    This illustration is what we know to simplify the issue at hand (which I am repeating):

    When there are more people sitting in the little red wagon than are pulling the little red wagon, it will not go forward anymore.

    We are almost there and if we get there, that will be the end of the America that we have loved so dearly. We will then be a Socialist (Communist) government, no longer a Republic.

    Every soul must take this seriously and decide which side they are on. Do we want a Commie, nanny government (everybody gets in the wagon) that we know fails every time as history has shown? Or do we do what it takes to fight for our freedom?

  • audax

    nt

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …then what’s wrong with choosing him for the ticket???

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2012/map/ethnicity.html

  • acat

    However.

    Don’t forget that there is no “hispanic/latino bloc”…. Rubio moves Florida into the “Romney” column, but his Cuban-American-ness doesn’t move a single Mexican-American, Guatemalan-American, Colombian-American, etc. into the “Romney” column.

    Now, Rubio doing interviews (or better, Rubio and Romney doing interviews together) en Espanol on Univision or Telemundo, would go further than a lot of previous GOP “outreach” that ignores there is no “hispanic/latino bloc”….

    Just sayin’, Dr. S., that we mustn’t be counting los pollos before el huevos se abrio, eh?

    Mew

    p.s. no habla, please blame all translation errors on el gato.

  • texashistorian

    Nothing wrong with it, but why make any sort of a deal about the race of the choice at all? Hispanic voters will come to our side regardless of the race of our candidates if we do our due diligence and show them why conservatism is a good fit for them. As the Cat also said (that is a smart kitty, I know) the advantage can be doing the outreach on the Latino networks (including the new MundoFox). But why are we not doing anyway Do we need Rubio as a VP to take the message to Spanish speakers?

    Anyway, it’s not a shot at anyone here, but I believe our cause is best served by leaving race completely out of it.

  • celador2

    The Governor, Lt Governor and three state senators survived recall as have most Republicans last year. But the close race in Racine went to a Democrat, a former senator. John Gizzi reports today that the challenger won by 779 votes. The Democrats now control the Wisconsin Senate.

    The legislature is not in session for the rest of the year and Republicans hope to pick up a seat or two November. Still, this recall process takes its toll, is like a reign of Terror on all Republicans in Senate and is non stop.

    Gov Walker spoke of founders who put it all on the line in Philadelphia in 1776 and risked life and limb. He points to how voters want leaders who have the courage to still take risks and make reforms against big entrenched interests.

    I am proud of the governor and all the Republicans who stood for something.so special they faced recall , but not all made it.

    Thank you, Sen Van Waggaard for your courage and service to support your 2010 voter mandate to support the governor’s budget repair bill. Hope to see ya again.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    http://whitehouse12.com/2012/06/06/romney-names-possible-vp-picks-to-head-his-hispanic-leadership-team/#respond

  • cactusjack

    Michael Moore looks like he is turning into Jabba the Hutt. Forget evolution, Is there such a thing as Devolution?

  • gekster

    Starwars was portreyed in the future, I think.

  • gekster

    and let a small country eat. ;)

  • soljerblue

    probably will not “get” the lesson of WI. They, too, need to borrow one of Hillary’s…

  • texashistorian

    in the link. Why is it that we are playing this game? Why does it take a Hispanic to talk to Hispanics about conservative issues? If we don’t play the game, we don’t worry whether we are sending someone of Mexican heritage to talk to people of Cuban descent. Why not talk to them as fellow American citizens? If we need a bilingual speaker for those citizens who are still adjusting to the complexities and nuances of English, then by all means recruit one. Does it have to a Hispanic though?

    The GOP and the Romney team are playing identity politics here, pure and simple. It is not as nasty as the way the left does it, sure, but they are still targeting folks based on their ethnicity rather than because they are citizens that need to understand why conservatism is better for them than liberalism. When the left does it we call it pandering. When we do it it is . . . pandering.

    Again, I am not trying to start a fight here, but I think we are better in the long haul if we reject ALL such methods that divide Americans along racial lines. If we want the death of identity politics, then we have to start killing it ourselves.

  • scottschoemann

    By your own statements on on the union commentary on entrance/exit polls you should be able to make the analysis that as those of us who fought for the recall stated, this was never about unions but about Walkers abuse of power and locking people out of meetings in violation of Wisconsin’s open meetings act, His appointments based on cronism rather than merit and other flagrant abuses. The recall was defeated, but Walker is still being watched, not by us, but by the federal government which is currently (as Walker himself admitted) investigating him for illegal campaign activities. This entire issue is bitter-sweet to most of us who called for the recall. Walker DID do some good for the state. But, again by his own admission, his union busting and collective bargaining removal saves the state absolutely nothing, not a single cent. Which means his push for it had to be nothing but a smoke screen for something else. These were the real issues that we based the recall on, Add to this the cuts to our education system that were used to give tax cuts to businesses from out of state that never came… the list goes on and on, but the point comes back to the singular fact that it was never about the unions, it was about Walkers inapropriate and unprofessional actions, that made him lower than the idiots who “vacationed” In Illinois on our dime… To put it in a single sentence… If you do NOT listen to your constituents, they WILL act against you. Perhaps some good will come from this situation, and ALL politicians, NATION WIDE, have been reminded, the VOTERS put them in place and can take them out without having to wait for the next election. They Have to fear us to be responsible to us, it seems. So it’s time to drop the fighting and start working together, the way everyone SHOULD have been to begin with.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    to speak (instead of Democrats and Unions signing a petition) they reaffirmed their original decision and returned Walker and Kleefisch to office.

  • gekster

    Your stay here won’t be long.
    But while you are here, exactly what did Scott Walker do wrong asides from doing what said he would do that he said he would when he first ran for Governor.
    What has he done that was illegle.

  • Bill S

    Sorry, no leftist talking points allowed. Run along now.