Awake.

bgintn

“And thanks to John Roberts they are mad as hell.”

Here that is a understatement.
I had get away from the news yesterday and go walking on black asphalt on a 100 degree day for a couple hours to cool off.

6t9boss

This court has destoryed the balance of power in just two days,,,,,, States Rights..GONE , Freedom of Choice …GONE

So where were you when the “Shining Light on the Hill” was shot out by Justice Roberts?

kevinwilliams

has been handed him by SCOTUS, in that it leaves Obama & his Obamacare as as solid target. Today’s defeat will enable November’s victory.

You are spot on. Tea Party movement gained 60 seats for GOP in 2010, only to be told “drop dead”. This ruling will reignited us for 2012, and just in time, since the RNC & NSRC have zero credibility or fundraising ability. It will be up to Jim DeMint’s SCF to lead the way to regain the Senate, and local Tea Party’s to GOTV, in our local district and remotely, in the critical toss-up states.

P.S. Check the tag on this article – I went to share it on fb and the headline tag was mess up!

rh22193

The only way he could avoid trashing the entire ACA (which, to be honest, would have created its own kind of havoc) was to rewrite the law, so that is what Roberts did by calling it a tax even though Obama has been doing backflips to say it is not. Roberts is afraid to make change so he redefines laws to force Congress to make any changes. Its like he is trying so hard to avoid being an activist, he becomes one by defaut.

JX12

…it’s that Romney’s ascension to the White House is now all but guaranteed. He would have to screw up in epic fashion to lose it.

Same thing for down-ticket coattails. November 2012 may now have better than average potential to make November 2010 look like a squeaker for the Republicans by comparison. Assuming it plays out that way (and I’m beginning to think it will), the only remaining question is, what will they do with their new-found monolithic power come 2013?

Regardless, total GOP control of both chambers and the executive is now the only avenue left to us for repeal of Obamacare. I suspect most voters will take it, given the alternative.

rh22193

Romney should be able to win this thing by continuing to be against Obama instead of having to tell us what he will do to fix our issues.
Don’t get me wrong. I would vote for my cat before pulling the lever for Obama. But Romney simply stating he will repeal Obamacare. On day one does not solve our healthcare issues. What is his plan for day two?
Romney’s entire campaign has been about stopping Obama from continuing to screw up this country; a good first step. Then what? We do have a boatload of problems to fix and every American should be able to recite Romney’s plan to fix them. Unfortunately I don’5 even hear Romney reciting them.

fpete13527

…than the “not down on Roberts” post. The Roberts decision was a disgrace. I absolutely do NOT buy the “this was a genius maneuver”" by Roberts” stuff going around. It stunk.

The Socialists (Dems) are more than willing to admit that this a “tax.” Hell, they would admit to anything to keep it…..legal or not.

You summed a lot of key truths here.

First, the fight should never have been in the SC in the first place.

Second, the GOP has demonstrated an even bigger disgrace than Roberts, in its hatred of the Tea Party movement – which was the only thing that kept the GOP alive.

The Tea Party Movement is fired up and here to stay. And oh by the way…….the Tea Party Movement is NOT the Ron Paul movement! It is the Conservative Movement.

http://redpillreport.net/ RedPillReport

needs to look at Washington DC as a sink full of dirty dishes. No matter how many times you wash them…there will still be dirty dishes after each meal. And if you think that because you washed them once…they will stay washed, your sink will soon be overflowing with filth again.

Conservative Americans who value freedom and limited government must not EVER relax and say “we cleaned Washington up.” The allure of power and corruption are too strong…and if we are to maintain our freedoms, we will need to be on high alert at all times.

And to the Republican establishment: You suck! Either join with true conservatives, or get ready to be gone! Your fence-sitting days are over!

windwaker24

Nobody on the right should be praising what he did. We should not be praising legislating on the bench, not matter how much it benefits us. I still not totally sure that Obama will be hurt by this. What’s to stop him from just blaming Roberts of activism (which would actually be true) “Uh, I didn’t make it a tax, Roberts and the gang did.” And no, just because he joined with the Court liberals doesn’t mean Obama won’t throw them under the bus, too. Everyone is a pawn to Obama.

baldbarian

That sounds just like the talking point from the DimLibs on the networks.. why would you use that line when it is not true at all .. the TeaParty never went away, it became more interested in the way to make changes, putting together a ground game, going to local zoning meetings, school board meetings, congressional hearings and reporting back to the monthly TeaParty gatherings going on across the country. There is not much camera activity when a member makes a note at a meeting or asks a question. I guess it is only considered active if you carry a sign or join with thousands in protest?

The TeaParty may have gone “underground” by attending classes on such things as: how to more effectively organize, constitutional law, Founder’s writings, etc.. When needed, the TeaParty will show up to vote, drive others to vote and show as a group as needed. And may just take over the Pubs or form a third party if the RINOs don’t wake up.

WmCraig

This problem will never go away. The imperialist government that has evolved in Washington and the fight for our liberty is no different in many ways than that which our founders struggled against.

Except in one important way. We have a constitution that did not grant this power of taxation to the federal government. That was provided in the 16th amendment, and the power to restrain foolishness was surrendered in the 17th amendment.

So, unlike our founding fathers we have a perfectly legal way to bring the imperialist Washington government to task.

Repeal these two amendments, and send them, like the 18th amendment down in history as bad examples of the good intentions of progressives.

Doing this would restore power to the states, and it is in the states that tea party activists can have the greatest appeal. Moreover, giving power over direct taxation and domestic policy back to the states enables ALL political persuasions making this a true broad based grass roots movement. Yes, California and Washington State will probably enact one payer health care, and confiscatory levels of taxation (and property redistribution). But that is the right level for that action to occur.

And the repeal would eliminate the power of Washington to impose “ONE” mans idea of what’s right on for the country. Or for any other politician to impose what is regionally popular on a national level.

Robert’s decision, however reached has made it clear we can’t turn our backs on politics ever.

http://google.com JEFFREY HARDIN

?I’m not experienced enough to say what will or will not happen with this ruling…But, I do know that we just lost our bargaining rights as a free society and will in fact be told what we can and cannot have, that may or may not expand our lives with hospital and Doctors care.
Common sense is an absolutely wonderful tool and with age and experience intuition a priceless gift we are given in the manner of wisdom…We get what we paid for?
I am a Christian and are not to hate anyone and to always pray for the better…but, we are also allowed get angry as a reaction to how we are treated, it’s a self protection mode that wakes us up to our surroundings and the threats that charge at us constantly either caused by our foolishness of those of another, we must always be watchful and the bible, YHVHs living word, instills that within us when we are reborn in Yeshua’s holy name, we are no longer blind to those things that surround us..
This is a big warning, we have to prepare for the loss of our freedoms as we know of it. To make this ruling political, it opened up doors to more than just an over bearing Government, but it opens up the hearts for man kind to become even more evil, in all that is sinful…
Prepare yourselves, let your faith move you to protect your families, because my dear sweet friends, we have hell knocking at our doors, and it”s here now in a most dangerous way, and it’s here to consume everything that we have invited in our spiritual lives as inspired by YHVHs guiding presence…
The more money the Government can take from us, the closer they get to fully controlling us in every facet of our lives and this is and will be a huge tax levied at the American people…make no excuses for your not being able to fight back, for as long as your breathing in YHVHs word, you have won in his name.
Wake up, fight back, and take control of your life. We can over come this, and we already have?

http://www.voteright.com VoteRight

It’s unlikely that Roberts came down as he did as part of some “master plan” to assure an election result he personally prefers. (Though if he did, it gives new meaning to the phrase “take one for the team”.)

The Court’s precedent with respect to taxes makes Congress’s taxing power limitless – even in cases where a tax seems to infringe on constitutionally protected freedoms. That deference will only likely continue until an enterprising conservative lawmaker convinces Congress to impose a tax on abortions…

We can only guess what the Chief Justice was trying to achieve. It doesn’t really matter. Yesterday, Obamacare was passed all over again. It’s game on.

168 Democrats that voted for Obamacare will be on the ballot in November. You can find the Republicans challenging them here:

https://www.voteright.com/announcement/days-like-this-are-why-we-built-voteright/

Winning is the only option left.

falconrap

The biggest take away from this is that we only need a majority to send this POS legislation back to the scrap heap. The court essentially forced all future congresses to call fees on non-activity to be called a tax, making them a much harder sell.

There is some nice silver lining in all of this, you just have to pay attention.

distraction

I respectfully disagree that the Tea Party has ever gone back to sleep. At least in our area, the Tea Party has simply traded in the signs and gatherings on street corners for meetings to discuss potential candidates; study and compare voting records of elected officials; file for city, county, or state office (or at least precinct committee person); find and encourage Constitutional conservative individuals to run for office.
The Tea Party is alive and well. We have not gone away. We have simply figured out a more efficient way to effect change than dressing in clever garb, carry signs, and stand on street corners.

distraction

My comments were not actually meant as a reply to bgintn. Could not make the “Comment” button work.
My apologies, bgintn.

1stRichard

It appears that the Tea Party taking over the GOP at the local level is taking too long and more is needed. I see in the thousands of messages last night pitchforks being sharpened, torches readied, buckets of tar filled with feathers gathered and more. Lists are being checked, who was the jerk that voted for … clearly a boiling point has been reached and if those mushy GOP don?t see it and they dare step out in the open?

Remember the Occupy Mob has lowered the bar on what may be acceptable, a giant is awakening and he is not looking to play nice any more…

fredflintlock

But President Romney will still find time to sign a couple of new “jobs” bills during his stint, if that’s your concern. Some things never change, no matter who is in charge.

Our biggest obstacle to real change now is GOP leadership. The (very angry) base needs to force a coup in the Senate, should republicans win the majority. It’s pitchfork time. With the right congress, even Romney has the potential to be a good POTUS. Kicking McConnell to the curb asap would be a start.

tnguy

The SC thumbs its nose at the constitution, a republican-appointed justice casts the deciding vote, and your reaction is to yawn. And tell us we just need to elect a republican much like the one whose nominee just wiped his nose with the U.S. Constitution. Amazing.

edintexas

We still will have a SCOTUS ruling that there is no limit to the taxing power of the FedGov.

michaelbowler

Unlike the occupy movement, we went to the natural progression to acting to challenge those not representing our will. The TEA partiers are wide awake and active…except after this clearly wrong ruling we are yet more determined to shake things up.

Many times, I have said the process will take several election cycles, not just one or two or even three. The heavy lifting will go on for a long time.

WARNING: GOP, those who are even reluctant to repeal this mess, we are going to come after you. The conservative litmus test is going to become HARDER over time, not easier. Don’t feel smug if you survive this cycle, we can on ly come after so many in each cycle…but we will get to you too.

earlgrey

Why should discontented indies (and Republicans) trust another even squish ire Republican. I am less eager to vote now and not more. Meaning of course that the broken glass in my path will get asecond look before I start crawling.

Ausonius

If it is not a Dred-Scott-Decision moment, the Roberts opinion is a call to metaphorical arms to limit the amount the government can spend and borrow.

But how many people are ready for a Constitutional amendment? I know it is often talked about: are people energized enough NOW to protect their freedoms?

Or is our ADHD America unable to focus on anything that is so arduous…but not impossible?

EdInTexas and others yesterday have noted that even if MAObama’s bill is repealed, we have a precedent from the Supreme Court saying there is no limit to the taxing power. I wonder how that will play out vs. the Catholic bishops’ protest against the mandate/tax as an infringement of the right to the free exercise of religion.

edintexas

What is considered acceptable for the Left (and there is no doubt that the movers and shakers of the “Occupy Movement” are far to the Left, the remainder being useful idiots) will never be considered acceptable behavior for Conservatives (by the MSM) and by Conservatives themselves.

swi2522

if the gop taskes control of all branches of government i have no faith they will repeal. my only hope is romney will be and act like the leader of the conservative movement and drive the tea party agenda. i fear it will be business as usual in washington with a different party driving the same agenda

fredflintlock

I was referring to the president’s entire body of work, not just Ocare.

And yes, this is a floodgate that’s just been opened. I’m sure even the republican leaders are keenly interested in exploiting this decision, and not in any way that the tea party would support.

salemst

I agree with Erick. Look, I’d have preferred Roberts strike down Obamacare but now the issue has been clarified and we conservatives must step to the plate not sloughing off the task to others.

We have to defeat Obama and take Congress with large majorities, something the GOP hasn’t had since the Roaring 20′s almost 100 years ago. The task is get out and contribute/vote for Mitt Romney and get as many true conservatives/Tea Partiers in office. Don’t expect the Court to save us from the consequences of far leftist policies of the 2008 election. If we want to repeal Obamacare we must repeal Obama and as many of the Leftoids as we can.

What Roberts did is give Mitt issues as Erick adroitly pointed out.
* Mitt portrays Obama as the biggest taxer and spender in world history.
* Mitt runs against Obamacare,
* The “partisan” Supreme Court issue is taken off the table for Obama
* Obama taxes two keo elements of his base who can’t afford it–young people and the poor. Either 1/7 of their income goes to healthcare, or they’re taxes 2-3K
* He motivated conservatives into angry swarms enthusiastic to vote
* And as Erick stated, get the Tea Party fired up cause we need everyone to defeat this most anti US country destroying president in my 60 years

fredflintlock

While it seemed imperative to nominate a committed conservative for the job, it may well be that this executive will succeed in goring more than his fair share of sacred cows. And isn’t that how you get the budget back under control?

Ausonius, we could start by repealing the sixteenth amendment. Turn the income tax back to the states and let the 50 legislatures decide how big the federal budget should be, kind of the way it used to be.

edintexas

There is nothing new in a Republican Presidential appointee to the SCOTUS turning out to rule to the Left. Eisenhower had Earl Warren and William Brennan, Nixon had Harry Blackmun (Roe v. Wade), Ford had Stevens, Reagan had Kennedy (not 100% a loss) and Bush 41 had Souter. So Roberts being a disappointment as a supposed Conservative simply joins a long line of such disappointments. There have been positive appointments (Thomas, Scalia and Alito) too.

What surprises is the fact that Democrats seem never to have one of their appointees turn to the “dark side” once on the court. Part of the explanation for this might be that they don’t have all the Leftist organizations gunning for their appointees. Another part of the explanation might be that Democrat Senators have no qualms about fighting tooth and nail against Conservative Republican nominees, while Republicans mostly take the attitude that Presidents deserve their picks on the court (expecting a concomitant response from the Democrats, over and over, is a sure sign of mental problems in the Republicans who think this).

proudmarinemom

and with simple punctuation. . . (That is an ellipsis.)

as well as a tendency to pop up with an Eeyore attitude when the moment strikes you as “right.” (Quotation marks.)

It is not helpful. (That is a period.)

4dees

Distraction……….you are absolutely right about the tea parties not being asleep. They have grown in membership and have morphed from wearing the tri-corn hats, waving signs and rallies to getting seriously involved in local and state issues, educating voters, vetting candidates, and motivating people to get involved in their government. Yes, the Tea Party is alive and very well.
John Roberts coming down on the side of the left yesterday will only cause more people to get involved and get out to vote on Nov. 6. Obama must go and ObamaCare must be repealed.

vamoose

Sleeping giants are relatively easy to awaken. What’s hard is for them to be filled with a terrible resolve. “Terrible Resolve” would have been a better title. “Revival” would also have been a better title. The call to revival is not an attack on the faithful. The point of a revival is multi-pronged: to rally the alert and the sleeping, and to convert the unwashed. Yes, Sen. McConnell, that would be you in that last group.

acat

and at Obama.

Anger at Roberts is not useful.

Mew

acat

The next President (and at this point .. that’s Romney) could get not two picks but three.

Ginsberg – 79
Scalia – 76
Kennedy – 75
Breyer – 73
Thomas – 64 .. included to point out the age difference.

Every other justice is 50something.

Statistically speaking, if Romney gets two terms, there’s almost no way the court doesn’t shift to the right….

The question is how *far* to the right, and the answer to that is found in the Senate.

Mew

bayoucastine

In view of Thursday?s SCOTUS pronouncements I believe it is appropriate to review and understand the Pledge of Allegiance to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .

This was by a ?comedian? by the name of ?Red Skelton? back in 1965. Some of you will remember Red, a real patriot of our country, many are too young.

Listen carefully to his defining of the words within the Pledge.
Let your US Representatives and Senators here from you.

Remember, ?THEY? work for us, The People of the USA, they are our employees.Please open the link, [if it does not work here, copy and past to your brouser] watch and listen carefully. Everyone needs to be reminded of what our Nation has stood for ? and can again, IF we demand it from our elected officials.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM

Pass this on to all you can. We must prevail in November.

“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

Abraham Lincoln

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Door’s over there if you’re not interested in electing Republicans.

commonsenseobserver

If we emphasise full replacement as well. I’m frankly tired of all those newspapers saying we have “nothing”. We have laid out clear plans, even if they are not specific enough. The problem is that we have not actively pushed those plans while countering Obamacare.

And Romney is still vulnerable on Masscare.

bgintn

I am so mad that I can not see straight and can relate.

HAPPY 4TH EVERYONE!
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commonsenseobserver

http://www.mittromney.com/s/repeal-and-replace-obamacare

zollistar

…I always tell the caller that I no longer donate to the Republican party, only to Jim De Mint’s organization and tea party-type organizations.

Indeed, New York tea parties helped field an excellent senatorial candidate on Tuesday: Wendy Long. Mrs. Long won a three-way contest to become the Republican nominee to go against Senator Kirsten Gillibrand.

Note two points about Long’s race:

1. Unlike her two competitors, she ran as an UNABASHED conservative.
2. She credits tea party support — and campaign work — for her win.

It’s possible (but let’s not hold our breath) that the Republican leadership is waking up to a new reality: There’s a real demand for limited and constitutional government, fiscal responsibility, and free markets.

Maybe some day the Republican leadership will even join us in embracing these goals.

commonsenseobserver

Well, we have a president who wiped his posterior with the Constitution.

commonsenseobserver

the focus when attacking it must be on its massive tax increase.

We must show how the other mandates regarding pre-existing conditions and children, as well as the donut hole, drive up costs for everyone and that the way to resolve those issues is by offering pro-family reform of tax treatment of medical expenses, expanding FSAs and HSAs, ensuring that people with pre-existing conditions, but who have insurance when that is discovered, do not lose their coverage, and reforming Medicare and Medicaid to provide high-quality choices for patients while protecting taxpayers.

spolson

The men and women of he supreme court have only one job. To decide what is or is not constitutional. There is no excuse for Roberts behaviour and he screwed the pooch. The tea party has nothing to do with that

zollistar

…they’ll find themselves “competing” for citizens with the other states.

I have family in California. Looking at the unfolding scenario, one young nephew packed up his young family and moved to Texas some two years ago. My sisters are deeply concerned — with good reason! — that more of their children will leave the state. This means travel and hassle to see grandchildren, etc., etc.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…because it’s unwise to endorse an overtly-flawed action because we rationalize potential electoral advantage.

“It wasn’t a tax until it was a tax. You can tax economic inactivity.”

Yeah, right.

AceInTX

and the solution now is to elect more of the same?

The Republican Main Street Partnership expanded it’s ranks in 2010…and their stated goal is to save large parts of Obamacare.

The Senate still has Mitch McConnell at the helm, It still is loaded up with Lindsey Grahams, John McCains, Orin Hatches and a bunch of unprincipled hacks who are just as interested in expanding federal power…and by extension, their ability to wield that federal power to their own benefit as the vilest Democrat…

And let’s not forget…John Roberts was nominated to the Court by a Republican President, and confirmed by a Republican Senate….then was nominated to be Chief Justice by a Republican President and confirmed by a Republican Senate.

We’ve seen Roberst side with the liberals twice this week in gutting the Arizona Immigration law by affirming AZs right to check immigration status but by denying AZ the right to deport criminals in their own midst…and now we see him throw a bone to Obama by saying there is no limit now on a President and Congress to regulate every detail of an individual’s behavior so long as they do it through the tax code.

And then we’re treated to commentary by fools like George Will’s piece of idiocy “Conservatives? Consolation Prize” that Roberts handed us a victory by gutting the commerce clause argument the Democrats have always used to justify their federal power grabs…

As if the fact doesn’t exist, that the government can now (under Robert’s ruling) pass legislation directing every living person in the entire nation to purchase groceries in compliance with a federally mandated shopping list or face the crippling burden of a limitless tax penalty….

Hello George….THIS ISN’T A VICTORY!!!!

And JOHN ROBERTS ISN”T OUR FRIEND!!!

We’ve got another Earl Warren on our hands courtesy of George W Bush and the Republican Senate who confirmed him!

There is no positive way to spin this and simply voting Republican with no regard for the principles of the Republican on the ballot is simply not enough any more…

We need to get out there for Mike Cruze in Texas….we need to paint Bullseye’s on the backs of Lindsey Graham and others who are up in the 2014 elections and we have to stop blowing sunshine up each other’s asses that simply voting party over principle will fix what is destroying this country!!!

tnfriendofcoal101368

voted for Obama Care. To wit, Susan Collins voted against it, Olympia Snowe voted against it, Dick Lugar voted against it, Orrin Hatch voted against it. Direct the anger at the liberal communist who voted against it, and kick them out of office (even if you think your Senator is the squishiest RINO on this planet – still better than the cartel that brought the crap sandwich of Obama Care). My point is if you have a primary coming up, give us the most conservative person electable in your district or state. In the general, work your tail off to get whomever is nominated, elected even if you are holding your nose while doing so. Remember, this moment in time that elections have consequences, use that anger to drive the liberal cartel the heck out of Washington. Give Obama a nice gift on November 6th, a U-Haul with a sticker that says “Chicago or Bust”.

http://www.chicagobluesgirl.com chicagobluesgirl

Tea Party Patriots have their respective noses to the grindstone….they’ve become precinct committeemen and women, they’ve become poll watchers and volunteers in their communities. The giant woke up in 2009, strapped on the burden of liberty and began the work of saving a republic. Let me also mention that we will NEVER be finished with this job. NEVER. Yesterday, I heard from many who, in their despair, wanted to give up. People, we cannot do that. Not only can we not give up, we have to train our children to pick up the gauntlet after us. We must make sure that liberals NEVER again slip into power.

What happened because of Roberts changed forever what Congress can now do in the name of taxation. That means that Congress can never again be led by the likes of Reid or Pelosi and that liberals like Durbin and Schultz and RINOS like Collins and Snow have to be ousted and replaced…and replaced again by true conservatives.

malvernpa

The Tea Party is not asleep or gone back to the farm. The Tea Party has understood this, The Democrats CANNOT be rehabilitated from the big government ways. They are DINOS, Democrats in name only and in reality are socialists, communists, progressives, liberals and most certainly Marxists. Marxism is redistributionism. The Tea Party Question is CAN the Republicans be rehabilitated from big government ways, the republican party is the vessel and we the Tea Party are chasing the big government rats off of that ship. The Tea Party is the answer, doing the work to get more conservatives elected which is the only medicine for this. Running into the reflecting pond with our hair on fire does not fix this. Hard and mostly invisible work done for the conservative agenda all the way from school board to president is where the Tea Party is. The Tea Party energy comes from the understanding that the Republicans were UNRESPONSIVE to the conservative voter ever since Bush I said read my lips. The only sane agenda is the conservative agenda. Remember that those in Washington still vote to spend money that we in the United States do not have knowing we are 16 trillion dollars in debt. Stay on the course we are on and America Becomes France by January 2013. Reelect Obama and the United States becomes Greece by January 2017. It is ALL economic now.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf

Here, it?s not a tax?

1. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS delivered the opinion of the Court with respect to Part II, concluding that the Anti-Injunction Act does not bar this suit.
The Anti-Injunction Act provides that ?no suit for the purpose of restraining the assessment or collection of any tax shall be main?tained in any court by any person,? 26 U. S. C. ?7421(a), so that those subject to a tax must first pay it and then sue for a refund. The pre?sent challenge seeks to restrain the collection of the shared responsi?bility payment from those who do not comply with the individual mandate. But Congress did not intend the payment to be treated as a ?tax? for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act. The Affordable Care Act describes the payment as a ?penalty,? not a ?tax.? That label cannot control whether the payment is a tax for purposes of the Con?stitution, but it does determine the application of the Anti-Injunction Act. The Anti-Injunction Act therefore does not bar this suit. Pp. 11?15.

Here, it is a tax?

the shared responsibility payment may for constitutional purposes be considered a tax. The payment is not so high that there is really no choice but to buy health insurance; the payment is not limited to willful violations, as penal?ties for unlawful acts often are; and the payment is collected solely by the IRS through the normal means of taxation. Cf. Bailey v. Drexel Furniture Co., 259 U. S. 20, 36?37. None of this is to say that pay?ment is not intended to induce the purchase of health insurance. But the mandate need not be read to declare that failing to do so is un?lawful. Neither the Affordable Care Act nor any other law attaches negative legal consequences to not buying health insurance, beyond requiring a payment to the IRS. And Congress?s choice of language?stating that individuals ?shall? obtain insurance or pay a ?penalty??does not require reading ?5000A as punishing unlawful conduct. It may also be read as imposing a tax on those who go without insur?ance. See New York v. United States, 505 U. S. 144, 169?174. Pp. 35?

*

My son noted the absence of citations in the minority opinion?as if it had been initially composed as the majority opinion?until Roberts flipped [presumably, for political reasons]; if he felt he would remove the stigma of potential politicalization from the SCOTUS image, it will last just as long as until the next decision that irks BHO.

earlgrey

Has DeMInt picked up Long in his list of Senate candidates?

THere are local races where RNC support is important and they may not be on our radar screen. OTOH, I have personally done GOTV efforts for republican candidates in state races that have gone on to stab the tea party in the back, repeatedly! That is what I tell the RNC when they call me.

I did recently throw a bone to College Republican after Alex Schriver made mincemeat of Toure (there has got to be a better name for him).

I only do local races right now and SCF. Even Rubio has a PAC that I have not supported and my favorite Senator Rand Paul is fundraising as well, but I don’t have enough resources. My faith is in SCF.

Sometimes I make exceptions for really strong candidates (and I hate to admit it because I don’t like identity politics), but strong candidates of color always get a bonus from me.

I read about Long in National Review and didn’t give her a chance against Turner. I have a horrible record of predicting outcomes. This weeks was especially bad.

deano64

But many of the Tea party activists have been. I know I have. No longer though. I spent about 5 minutes yesterday being disheartened but then I just got really pissed off. Pissed off like I was when I watched the way those socialists pass this law.

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…reminiscent of the “explanation” in G&S’s “the Mikado”:

The Anti-Injunction Act and the Affordable Care Act,however, are creatures of Congress?s own creation. How they relate to each other is up to Congress, and the best evidence of Congress?s intent is the statutory text. We have thus applied the Anti-Injunction Act to statutorily described ?taxes? even where that label was inaccurate. See Bailey v. George, 259 U. S. 16 (1922) (Anti-InjunctionAct applies to ?Child Labor Tax? struck down as exceeding Congress?s taxing power in Drexel Furniture).

Congress can, of course, describe something as a penalty but direct that it nonetheless be treated as a tax for purposes of the Anti-Injunction Act. For example, 26 U. S. C. ?6671(a) provides that ?any reference in this title to ?tax? imposed by this title shall be deemed also to refer to the penalties and liabilities provided by? subchapter 68B of the Internal Revenue Code. Penalties in subchapter 68B are thus treated as taxes under Title 26, which includes the Anti-Injunction Act. The individual mandate, however, is not in subchapter 68B of the Code. Nor does anyother provision state that references to taxes in Title 26 shall also be ?deemed? to apply to the individual mandate.

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acat

Just sayin’

Mew

earlgrey

…

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

Nanki-Poo was “said off to have been killed” when it served the mandated job-description of the Lord High Executioner, Ko-Ko; when it was necessary to resurrect the son of the Mikado, this was then accomplished adroitly…and everyone was to live happily ever after….

earlgrey

Another Bush appointee did us in.

acat

I see the gnashing of teeth and tearing of clothing over Roberts as counterproductive. Regardless of why it’s done, it’s *done*. The next goal is in front of us, not behind us.

Elect Romney.

More importantly, elect *conservatives* to the Senate and to the House so they can …

Get Romney a good bill and …

Get Romney good replacements for some of the geriatric patients currently on the Supreme Court.

Mew

http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

…regardless of the analysis of the law.

Roberts apparently was focused on the reputation of the SCOTUS, but this approach [appeasement] never works.

David Horowitz has written extensively on this issue.

Thus, of course, it’s necessary to focus on the POTUS, but the key-point is that these D’s cannot be bought-off by R-insincerity.

As Napolitano said last night, Roberts was “too clever and a half.”

virginiahiker

Support the most conservative in the primary but vote for the Republican in the general. We watched in 2006 as large numbers of social conservatives voted in Blue Dog Democrats because they were “good” on the God, Guns and Gays issues with complete disregard for how they would vote on other issues. Chuck Schumer saw the opportunity and recruited large numbers of so called social conservative Democrat candidates, enough to make Nancy Pelosi Speaker. In 2008 we watched as no-compromise conservatives punished RINOS by skipping their line on the ballot. On March 23, 2010 we reaped what they had sown and despite our best efforts in November 2010 were unable to regain the Senate as well as the House. Now we must settle in for a long struggle. it may take 10 to 20 years to reverse the mistakes of 2006 and 2008. The best way to get started is to avoid repeating them. Follow the Redstate mantra — Conservative in the primary, Republican in the general. You may not like or respect every RINO on the ballot, but we are learning the hard way the price of allowing Democrats to win general elections.

Ender

by Romney since the ruling. This promises to galvanize the Right and make it very clear that there is only one way left to stop the Dems’ non-stop assault. But it’s not just the Right – many people in the Center are very unhappy with this ruling.

maiko

…was the striking down of the individual mandate said many. Romney is not going to win on his own. We all need to put our time in the trenches to hoist this Obamanation on his own petard.

Common_Cents

It’s terrible. It’s not a gift or a blessing compared to having obamacare being shot down, but we’ll have to make the best of it.

Gee, why dont why let the left raise taxes to 90%??? Let’s hope for obama to win on gun rights issues!!! Wow, that would really energize the base!!! At some point, this celebrating political martyrdom on our side gets totally ridiculous. It becomes some weird twisted logic, lets celebrate the other side winning so we really get charged up! That is a bunch of BS.

Roberts striking down obamacare and handing it back to congress would have been a huge win, would have demoralized the left even more. Romney was doing just fine hammering obama on the economy etc… Romney is the WORST person to tackle obamacare, even though he is emphatic about repeal. This issue should have been put to bed looonnng before it got to this point.

Does ANYONE really trust Republicans in congress to fully repeal this disaster after their track record? anyone? Buehler?

As far as tea party, why are “we” the tea party referred to as “they”? The tea party IS us. It’s time for everyone to get involved and own it. There is no “they”. Americans being hands off have led to a dangerous “they” in DC. It’s time to put the “we” in the tea party. Tea party rallies have been largely poo pooed, some candidate selections have also been, but what are people doing about it? Criticizing “they” the tea party, or becoming “we” and doing something about it??

I LOVE the responses from many tea party activists in this thread who have debunked Erick’s thoughts that our tea party has been dormant. I think you have a little homework to do, EE.

Gotta REALLY love the several responses in this thread that many tea party members are getting involved in local party precincts. Outstanding!!! The elected elite in DC NEVER talk about it, we know getting involved in local parties and taking the party over from the ground up is their achilles heel. But it’s something that RedState has not largely endorsed endorsed, embraced and aggressively promoted, but should so whole heartedly. Instead, many at RS recently got their collective panties in a bunch over the tone of a post that calls for people to get involved. It’s time to grow up and act like adults and actually take action to take our country back. While we are bitching about someone calling us out, our country is being sold out to the largest big government leftist program in history.

We get the government we deserve.

tnfriendofcoal101368

Lindsay Graham voted no on Obama Care, John McCain voted no on Obama Care, Orrin Hatch voted no on Obama Care, Dick Lugar voted no on Obama Care, Mitch McConnell voted no on Obama Care, John Boehner voted no on Obama Care, Susan Collins voted no on Obama Care, Eric Cantor voted no on Obama Care….in fact not one squishy RINO voted for Obama Care. The problem is they faced a super majority in the Senate and House and the Dems didn’t give a crap about those no votes; they passed their crap sandwich anyway.

Elections have consequences (that is the lesson to be learned), in the primary as resident of a red state, I’ll vote for the most conservative person on the ticket. In the general, I’ll vote the R with a smile no matter the squish or staunch conservative and I’ll carry his water and I’ll work like heck to ensure his election. The lesson of this decision is this: that the squishiest RINO in this country (and really Olympia Snowe voted no to Obama Care) is better than the most conservative Democrat.

I do strongly encourage every Texan to vote for Ted Cruz this cycle; I pray that he wins the primary.

Tbone

Lawyers have genetic deficiencies that allow them to advocate for he who pays their wage regardless of the moral position. Putting a black robe on them only hides them. It doesn’t change them.

As most higher level politicians are lawyers and most of the high level staff people are lawyers and most high level bureaucrats are lawyers it is easy to determine that this Country is being run into the ground by lawyers.

uncmike

The court (I should say the usual left-wing hacks + Roberts) has thumbed its nose at the Constitution. Robert’s goal is supposedly “comity,” and making the court looke like a serious institution. IMO, it lost that mantle years ago. Even so, we have to move forward and this coming election is the only chance we have now to start taking back our government, not only from the left, but from all the elites (on both sides of the aisle) who want to dictate how we live our lives down to the minutest detail. The Tea Party lives and will power us in November as they did in 2010. The so-called Republican “leadership” had better take heed.

celador2

John Roberts pulled the trigger and delivered a decision where he legislated a tax not in the statute and thus allowed most of the take over by federal panels to expand its overreaching authority over health care commerce.

He was wrong to do it and it may be hard to overcome given the massive expansive scope of Obamacare. Roberts, not the four liberal hacks he joined , also gave ACA a backwind of legitimacy it has lacked.

Repeal can get no where with out a Pres, Senate and White House but defunding can go everywhere. Appropriations begin in the majoritarian House.

Assuming for the sake of a back up scenario of action that Reid runs Senate 2013, and Boehner the House, What can Boehner do? Use the constitutional powers given the House to initaitae taxes and funding..

DEFUND Obamacare everywhere you can, House! And be willing to take a stand and not give in.

Everything else like Romney in White House and an expanded GOP in Senate are icing on the cake. The core or heart of the abolition of Obamacare must begin in the House.

Obama wants ACA so entrenched no one bothers to undo it.

gmscan

That many RINOs are saying Roberts saved the Court and planted seeds for future decisions. Maybe, but at the cost of our entire health care system. But establishment Republicans have never cared about health care. Even though it is one-sixth of the economy and affects each of us. This law will never be repealed. Even if the Rs take over everything, by the time they take office the implementation will be so far along it will be impossible to unravel.

rdm42

… but what ROberts did was blatantly ignore his duty to the country and constitution, acting in way way that is as close to being a traitor as you can be without actually meeting the definition.

poorwilber

Rewriting legislation from the bench looks like judicial activism to me.

The GOP had an issue with the economy, and didn’t need Obamacare to achieve a political victory. In the estimation of some in the GOP, the additional campaign money flowing into the Romney campaign was worth trashing the Constitution with Robert’s absurd ruling.

I couldn’t be more thrilled and grateful….. that individual liberty was trampled to make a major political point. Pow. Way to go, CJ. Brilliant.

tnfriendofcoal101368

I would like to make clear exactly the “revenue” streams for Obama Care are not just the Opt Out Non-Insured Tax (again not mandate, tax, John Roberts got that right).

Broaden Medicare tax base for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billion
(Call this soak the rich – Obama defining income >250,000 as rich)

Annual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion
(Call this soak the everyone except the non insured because this is a hidden tax that will be passed on from insurance company to consumer)

40% excise tax on health coverage in excess of $10,200/$27,500: $32 billion
(Call this soak those folks who have the foresight to ensure themselves against catastrophic illness)

Impose annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billion
(Call this soak everyone again including Obama’s base because the drug companies will pass this increase on to the insurance companies who will pass it on the consumer)

Impose 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices: $20 billion
(Call this soak everyone again including Obama’s base because the drug companies will pass this increase on to the insurance companies who will pass it on the consumer – well – you will get out of this one if you don’t need a medical device)

Raise 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: $15.2 billion
(Danger Will Robinson, Danger Will Robinson – this is a middle class tax increase – you know those that Obama promised he would never enact)

Limit contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500: $13 billion
(Danger Will Robinson, Danger Will Robinson – this is a middle class tax increase – you know those that Obama promised he would never enact)

All other revenue sources: $14.9 billion
(uh this would be called borrowing)

This doesn’t count the monies diverted from Medicare (about 500 billion).

poorwilber

I think many of us are interested in electing conservatives.

Republican and conservative do not always walk hand in hand.

rdm42

Its like a judge looking the other way when a burglar robs someone’s house and then saying “Well,it would have been ok if he was only borrowing the stuff so lets just say that is what he was doing.”

mikeymike143

in 2010, the tea party was involved in a variety of different races and issues.this year we decided to forego a lot of the ”flagwaving” and concentrate the bulk of our our resources in a few races.

1. after the 2010 elections we knew that we would go a sitting senator that was considered ”unbeatable”. a left wing RINO named richard lugar. led by people like my friend monica(monica boyer of hoosier for a conservative senate), tea partiers worked in unity to give conservative richard mourdock a landslide win over ”obama’s favorite republican”.

FYI- the sitting senator that will be our ”unity focus” in 2014 will be the RINO lindsey graham, the man known as ”harry reid’s favorite republican”. and notice that we are primarily getting involved in states that have a good chance of ”going red” in the general. yeah, we want to send jim demint and his crew some more help.

2. scott walker ran for governor as a conservative promising to reign in spending. if i had a dollar for every scummy politican that ran as a fiscal conservative and suddenly ”discovered the virtues of bipartisanship” right after their election, i would be blogging this comment from my yacht.

walker actually did what he said he would, even though it was politically unpopular!!! and for pulling wisconsin out of their mess, the dems decided to recall him. so we were walker’s ”boots on the ground” during the recall election. in fact, i doubt you could find a tea party group that didnt help walker in some way. and just like with the mourdock/lugar race, our guy won huge.

3. now we are headed to texas to support a man with a bright national future,a principled conservative named ted cruz. cruz is really a great candidate and worthy of all our support.

yeah, we havent been ”as visible” as we were in 2010, but we are still ”awake”.

and if you like loud public demonstrations and flagwaving, our tea party group(tea party fort lauderdale) will be having our 175th consecutive tea party rally on ”freedom corner” this saturday in fort lauderdale.

and i would ask that all tea partiers unite to strongly support mitt romney against obama this november.

abrown10503

He who is good with a hammer sees everything as a nail. Although I usually agree with Erick on most issues, I think he is dead wrong on this. This was not an issue of politics, it was an issue of principle. The question was “can a federal branch charged with the responsibility of vetting legislation against a constitution carry out this duty unaffected by politics”? Clearly the answer is “no”. On one of Erick’s points I do agree. We have to fight on. However, we need to propose an alternative to the Supreme Court and in my mind it lies in the 10th with State Sovereignty and nullification.

ardendulou

http://www.streetlaw.org/en/Page/284/Thomas_Jeffersons_Reaction

Read teh quotes and think about what the decision yesterday said. Maybe the reaction is Roberts ripped the power to decide Consitutionality of these things from the court. By doing this maybe we got what Jefferson always wanted… the people/States control what is truly Constitutional.

gmscan

Even if the Rs take everything by the time they take office the implementation will be so far along it will be impossible to unravel. Romney has said he will give each state a waiver. Big Whoop. That does nothing to change the underlying federal role. We can kiss decent health care goodbye.

njteapartier

I did exactly the same thing.

My birthday is on the 4th of July and as long as I can remember I had sparklers on my cake and my parents read the Declaration of Independence on the day. Every time I see schools and teachers discouraging the Pledge of Allegiance it is like a knife in my heart because it matters that we remind our children every day how great is the country we live in. The other day some lib-idiot said the National Anthem was an “embarrassment.”

But yesterday… was the first time I actually felt like we might be losing our country and we would look back on this decision as the day we lost it.

Obama and all his minions are the cancer on this great country that must be jettisoned. Not only must we fire Obama, but we must end the careers of every legislator that supported Obamacare so that all future legislators know what happens to those who govern against the will of the people. The Tea Party in all its forms must save the country.

zollistar

I find Long’s victory significant because she ran as an unabashed conservative in blue, blue New York state.

Both the other contestants were “squishies” who considered the RINO vote worth chasing.

Indeed, (no surprise) the Republican leadership put its chips on the other two candidates.

Long won more than half the votes in this three-way contest.

I went to Long’s Watch the Returns party (which quickly and early turned into her Victory party) and was gratified that she openly acknowledged tea party support — and work — for helping to make the victory possible.

Will Long get SCF funding and support?

I hope so.

It is also possible that the SCF will decide that their monies are better spent on other excellent candidates in states that are either battlegrounds or are at least purple.

That said, I suspect that this is going to turn in to an exciting race. Wendy Long (like Gillibrand) is a Dartmouth grad, a lawyer (who once clerked for Clarence Thomas), a wife and mother, and a Catholic. But unlike her Democratic opponent, she is a conservative who plans to run as a conservative.

We tea partiers are excited to have Long as a candidate. In addition to sharing our goals, she is very articulate and extremely attractive.

I suspect Kirsten Gillibrand is not pleased to be going against Wendy Long…

acat

Roberts didn’t invent the tax thing out of whole cloth, Obama’s solicitor general did.

Further, the question of whether a “negative tax” is constitutional was not what was before the court .. and IIRC, it has come before the court previously and been deferred until “someone has standing”, i.e. “someone is harmed by it”.

I agree that Roberts has been clever.

I disagree that we can say, this morning, whether he’s been “too clever by half”. That is entirely dependent on what happens next.

Mew

jcboston69

I think it’s time for the Tea Party to become an actual political party. Let all the patriots join and vote the bums out, and let all the Republicans go to the DemocRat party where they belong.

poorwilber

It not a requirement to be a lawyer to sit on the Supreme Court. Perhaps conservatives should insist the next pick have experienced the real world outside the realm of legal mumbo jumbo and tortured logic. In other words, have pragmatic common sense, and is not a lawyer.

ardendulou

This is truly the next step for every TEA Party group for State centered activities. We must elect conservatives on the Fed level but we must also pressure every state government to refuse to take part and protect their citizens.

tnfriendofcoal101368

Enthusiastic vote for the disastrous EPA regulations has elevated him past Dick Lugar as Obama’s favorite go-to Republican. Mikey save some love for him in 2014. There is more than one RINO we can send out on Lugar retirement plan.

zollistar

I’ll put myself to sleep every night repeating “Conservative in the primary, Republican in the the general…Conservative in the primary, Republican in the general…Conservative in the primary, Republican in the general…Conservative in the primary, Republican in the the general…Conservative in the primary, Republican in the general… Conservative in the primary, Republican in the general….”

acat

The last time it came up, historically, things got … bumpy.

Mew

funwithknives

“Tyranny is one generation away” was, in my view, implicit in what Roberts wrote yesterday.
He gave America A Boot In The Butt and even went so far as-to start the outline.

The apparent victory in 2010 was just a first step, glorious though it was. It provided One Example of what Can be achieved.
But, it was only A Beginning. Inertia has to build, and now, more than ever many more see the consequences of doing little-to-nothing to keep their Creator Given, pre-existing Freedoms and Liberties.
To keep these gifts, that they were born with.
Like those in Israel,who know what freedom truly is, we can say with conviction: NEVER AGAIN.

Take your vitamins, guys and girls.
{But ‘cbg’ doesn’t need this advice. Surely, she knows what must be done….}

poorwilber

Lindsay Graham voted for Elena Kagan.

The difference between RINOs and Democrats is simply the pace we are traveling towards European styled socialism.

Your’e right in one respect, by electing RINOs, we at least have the hope of dying before arriving in the socialist paradise.

jceppa

I was furious, also, when I heard breaking news. BUT then I read Robert’s opinion: He clamped down on Congress’s decades long expansion of the Commerce Clause; reminded us all that we have a Constitution that specifies the powers of the Federal Govt; He forced the Democrats to unveil the truth that their “penalty” is in fact a massive tax on those least able to pay; He upheld the Federalism system that is the foundation of our form of government by ruling unconstitutional the Medicaid provision of Obamacare; and He reminded us that the Power of our Constitutional Republic resides in the hands of “we the people” not the Court and if we elect the wrong people and do not vet those we choose, then we must suffer the consequences until we can (and must) vote them out!
It was a masterful decision, took away the chance for Obama to criticize the partisanship of the Court and reaffirmed the various responsibilities of the three branches of our government.
Thank you,Eric, for supporting Roberts!
For the rest of you, go read Robert’s opinion.
Judy

crazyfreddie

PLEASE HAVE A COPY SENT TO EVERYONE OF OBAMA THE MUSLIM DICTATORS WORTHLESS MUSLIM COMMUNIST MARXIST CZARS / DO NOT FORGET EVERY CONGRESS PERSON WITH A NOTE ATTACHED > PURE AMERICAN AT THE HELM !

gusbarbarigo

The Political Industrial Complex won; we the people lost. Obama gets socialized medicine. Romney gets a campaign issue (which as Santorum pointed out, Romney is ill-equipped to handle).

We always donate, rally, volunteer, hope for a real conservative. We have been sold Nixon, the Bushes, Arlen Specter, Scott Brown, and now John Roberts. Always the ?conservatives? cave in, but the Left never does.

Whether Roberts changed his vote because of intimidation from the MSM, or outright threats, blackmail, etc., or whether the RNC whispered in his ear that the switch would help Romney, is ultimately irrelevant. Roberts is another puppet of the ?elites.?

We need a change from politics as usual, or the people and our freedoms are doomed.

funwithknives

COALITION, are you now?

……or am I mis-taken?
The ‘accumulating snowball theory’ ??
T’would be a fine, glorious thing, no doubts.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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funwithknives

in so little space. Kudos to You, friend-oh-mine.
SALUD!!

tnfriendofcoal101368

With Old Hickory letting it be known, he would introduce Calhoun’s neck to a rope if South Carolina actually tried to apply nullification rather than just rabblerouse about it.

Ausonius

That is a good start for an amending snowball!

The 27 does not include places like Kentucky and Iowa, where the legislature is split, or Nebraska, where the legislature is “non-partisan.” One would assume that a tax-limiting/spending-limiting amendment would find a majority there.

Aye, a fine and glorious thing it would be! First, we must boot out BIG BRObama and his minions.

The 2008 Election is proving to be one of the biggest disasters in the History of Democracy on the planet.

tnfriendofcoal101368

but if Obama Care is never passed then there is no case for Elena Kagan to decide on and if Barack Obama isn’t President his lawyer doesn’t get nominated. Elections have consequences. Somehow, the notion has gotten out there that Scotus should be our Deus ex Machina. I encourage everyone to vote the most conservative electable person in the primary. Lindsay Graham is an embarassment and if his opponent is a Jim Demint in the primary, please everyone as an act of patriotism vote for Jim Demint. However if the blowhard wins the Primary…there is no Democrat on this planet who is preferrable to Lindsay Graham. Again as the O-care vote shows “Elections have consequences”.

PS: as Justice Roberts proved…the business of anticipating how a Justice will adjudicate a case is sketchy at best, better for them to have nothing to do.

whit3

No heat from me Erick. Although at first I was mad a deeply disappointed and angry (I was calling John Robers “Roger Taney”), a good night’s sleep and time for reflection has made me realize that this is a phyrric victory for Obama and the Democrats:

1) The Supreme Court put a long overdue body block on Congress’ misuse of the Commerce Clause. This precedent will be around long after all of us are gone. We may even see some rollbacks on previous misuses of the Commerce Clause.

2) By agreeing with the Obama Administration that Obamacare is a tax, they have just hung the “tax and spend” label on Obama and the Democrats in what is going to be a bitter election year. Its a foolish thing to raise taxes on Americans during a recession and they have now done that. This is a big advantage to Mitt Romney, and a huge albatross to those Dems that are running for reelection.

3) The power of the States to resist financial blackmail from the Federal Goverment has been affirmed. Another legal precedent that will help the states resist highway dollar blackmail and other future attempts by the Federal Goverment to bully the States.

4) Chief Justice Roberts reminded us that elections do have consequences. To paraphrase him, if you don’t want stupid laws don’t elect stupid people.

5) Lasty, the Supreme Court just took away another class warfare argument from Obama. Now, Obama can be seen favoring the rich (who have health care) over the middle class and the poor (who may not.) How will those young Obama supporters feel now that they have to buy healthcare?

Chief Justice Roberts was looking at the war, not the battle.

whit3

No heat from me Erick. Although at first I was mad a deeply disappointed and angry (I was calling John Robers “Roger Taney”), a good night’s sleep and time for reflection has made me realize that this is a phyrric victory for Obama and the Democrats:

1) The Supreme Court put a long overdue body block on Congress’ misuse of the Commerce Clause. This precedent will be around long after all of us are gone. We may even see some rollbacks on previous misuses of the Commerce Clause.

2) By agreeing with the Obama Administration that Obamacare is a tax, they have just hung the “tax and spend” label on Obama and the Democrats in what is going to be a bitter election year. Its a foolish thing to raise taxes on Americans during a recession and they have now done that. This is a big advantage to Mitt Romney, and a huge albatross to those Dems that are running for reelection.

3) The power of the States to resist financial blackmail from the Federal Goverment has been affirmed. Another legal precedent that will help the states resist highway dollar blackmail and other future attempts by the Federal Goverment to bully the States.

4) Chief Justice Roberts reminded us that elections do have consequences. To paraphrase him, if you don’t want stupid laws don’t elect stupid people.

5) Lasty, the Supreme Court just took away another class warfare argument from Obama. Now, Obama can be seen favoring the rich (who have health care) over the middle class and the poor (who may not.) How will those young Obama supporters feel now that they have to buy healthcare?

Chief Justice Roberts was looking at the war, not the battle.

wayneinnh

Heard this on the radio this morning:

I do not like this, Uncle Sam,
I do not like this healthcare scam.

I do not like these dirty crooks,
Or how they lie and cook the books.

I do not like when Congress steals,
I do not like their secret deals.

I do not like ex-speaker Nan,
I do not like this, “Yes We Can.”

I do not like this spending spree,
I’m smart, I know that nothing’s free.

I do not like their smug replies,
When I complain about their lies.

I do not like this kind of hope,
I do not like it, Nope, Nope, Nope.

khhunt

third party “wait till the convention” are splitting the teaparty energy.

The fact this is political not judicial is buried beneath cries of “MY guy willfollow the constitution” . “the establishment is against us”

Good, Sane, Normal, usually logical, people are being swayed into believing the third party argument.. If we split, we are doomed.

ERICK PLEASE HELP !!

funwithknives

Granted, it wasn’t anywhere near perfect. But, What in H–l is?
You work with what you got and adjust as misfortune occurs.
I’m agnostic but in the last few years I’m coming around to see Providence as real, and see it as something to count on.

Am I sliding toward an Awakening?
Yesterday was awfully persuasive……….

Patton is quoted as commenting”…when the first shot is fired, all plans are off…” {Paraphrase?}

We have been handed an opportunity. …and we got 4 months to get this done. Focus on THAT Truth,as IT is our reality.

Then, we can focus on why John is not who we expected…..

tnfriendofcoal101368

The Ole Hulkster sure is darn affective in The Avengers once he gets his hands on Loki….#JustSayin

funwithknives

knows what Barry has done so far to this program.
Continully knocking off items that people can deduct is patently absurd.

As is obliterating catastrophic-care policies, and “allowing’ many to self-insure for common expenses.
Where is the Direct, plain language, Constitutional Mandate to enact this one?

Thanks for The List. Gonna ‘crib’ a copy or 10, if you do not mind……..

Common_Cents

Look at all the times they have caved after talking big.

It’s encouraging that they actually followed through on Holder’s contempt.

We have lots of work to do in the Senate.

http://barnettlaw.org Frozen_Man

I understand your point but either Scalia and Thomas (along with Alito and Kennedy) were right or Roberts was. You know who else was thanking Roberts? Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan oh and Obama and Pelosi as well. I’m not sure Roberts even really clamped down on the Commerce Clause and/or helped Federalism with the Medicaid decision, I’ll reserve judgment on their practical effect until I see tangible curtailing of the federal government rather than just lip service because Justice Roberts just proved that if the Supreme Court wants to allow something and can’t find the power in one place it will just make it up in another. Regardless however, of whether there was any actual curtailing of the Federal Government or not he could have done that with ruling ObamaCare was constitutional as a tax. He could have ruled with the conservatives and had the majority on the commerce clause issue as well as the Medicare issue – the two were never mutually exclusive options.

annie54

Also, we must always remember that Roberts is the one who did a re-do in swearing Obama in. It was a private ceremony in the White House barring cameras and press. Rumor has it that Obama’s hand was not on the Bible but the Koran in that swearing in.

Bush knew what he was doing. Roberts’ little boy smile and haircut fooled us all. As did Bush.

acat

Shakespeare reference. Go forth and bing.

Mew

paco12348

Roberts might have given us exactly what we deserved and exactly what we needed: a swift kick in the seat of the pants. We wouldn’t be in this spot today if we had been awake and holding our elected leaders accountable. WE turned our government over to career politicians. Whether we voted for Obama or not, how many of us chose NOT to vote? Normally we just go about our work, our families and paying our taxes leaving the government up to the ones we elect over and over.
Watching the Holder hearings yesterday made me wish we had more fire breathers like Rep Trey Goudy. We need people with fire in their belly to carry the torch of freedom.
The Tea Party sent many good people to Congress. Now we need to replace the ones still there, the career politicians. Charlie Rangle was just sent BACK for his

acat

This is disgraceful.

Mew

Repair_Man_Jack

I thinkit was a hard-bound copy of The Protocols of The Elders of Zion myself.

schusteraj

If he had written the majority opinion for the other side. Why do you think that he had to side with the administration in order to clamp down on the commerce clause or even declare the penalty a tax? Even if it’s a tax, which it isn’t, since it isn’t written as a tax, it is a direct tax that isn’t apportioned. This would make it an invalid tax under congress’s taxing powers.

He had the chance to do the right thing. He failed. The only way to find it constitutional was to jump through some legal hoops that weren’t there. This is a sad day for the country and a sadder day for the supreme court. If he really wanted to show the court was non-partisan and would do it’s job, he would not have written such a convoluted opinion.

tnfriendofcoal101368

feel free – I did use wikipedia as a starting point so I do want to acknowledge that. The parenthesis is my comments.

tnfriendofcoal101368

nt

annie54

The Bush family has been a part of the problem for a long, long time. “W” placed Roberts in that position. Either he knew what he was doing or was ignorant. George was an intelligent man.

And please, don’t compare Red State to the Daily Kos due to a comment with which you disagree.

streiff

nt

testing

My team,lead by Roberts, is on defense and has the other team, lead by Obama, up against their own goal line. Roberts can tackle Obama in his own endzone for 2 points for our team. Instead Roberts not only lets Obama escape getting tackled but he blocks and gives Obama an opening for a touchdown run.

Romney wasn’t my “quarterback” of choice untill yesterday but now he is my man. I gave Romney a N00 Bama donation of $100 yeaterday and it felt good. Maybe I will go to a N000 Bama donation of $1000 in the future.

Note: There may be some strategic comments in Roberts ruling that future conservative Justices may pay attention to but liberal ones will not. I don’t understand how people and our leaders don’t understand that by definition liberals base their decisions based on current wants, desires, culture and trends and not tradition and laws.

funwithknives

that in every crowd there are cranks, dupes and ‘wandering thinkers’.

The above “Yutz” is all three and proves it by her scribblings.

If this is Leaning Forward , I’m not IN.

lbwoody

Jackie Walorski, who is running in the IN-2 district held a fundraiser yesterday. I was actually participating in my golf league that was held at the same place; I am a past donor to her and saw her late in the event (staff only left). I told her about your column and she agreed and had to “calm down” some of the participants in the event. She believes as you do that this is a prime opportunity for republicans. Roberts is right overall…this is a bad piece of legislation, but it is what it is and if people don’t like it, it is there obligation to do something about it, not run to the courts. This is a solid foundation to make a huge change in who governs this country. If we boot the chance, there thee is no one to blame. I do believe politicians need to say “repeal and replace” to do away with the comeback by dems that the repubs don’t care and have no plan. There are a few good pieces and healthcare does need to be reformed, but not with this piece junky legislation.

acat

You may want to quit while you’re ahead, annie54. Or, you know, go join the rest of the Boooosh haters over at Daily Kos.

Mew

acat

And .. whose hide?

Mew

annie54

but just get out of my way as I spring forward. Okay?

I wouldn’t want to step on you.

brojohn2

If you go to his website you can find his Plan for America and download a PDF of the entire thing. All 87 pages. Don’t say someone doesn’t have a plan if you have not actually done the research first. Romney has pretty clearly laid out what he wants to accomplish in his first term as President.
Pursue New Agreements with Trade Promotion Authority – Obama has done nothing to increase our trade. Romney wants to have Congress give him “Trade Promotion Authority” so he can negotiate with other countries and then submit agreements to Congress for an up or down vote. No Amendments that tend to kill these agreements.
China:
China presents a broad set of problems that cry out urgently for solutions. It is time to end the Obama administration?s acquiescence to the one-way arrangements the Chinese have come to enjoy. We need a fresh and fearless approach to that
trade relationship. Our first priority must be to put on the table all unilateral actions within our power to ensure that the Chinese adhere to existing agreements. Anyone with business experience knows that you can succeed in a negotiation only if you are willing to walk away. If we want the Chinese to play by the rules, we must be willing to say ?no more? to a relationship that too often benefits them and harms us.
Energy:
Pro-American Energy Policy
Mitt Romney has a better way. As president, he will make every effort to safeguard the environment, but he will be mindful at every step of also protecting the jobs of American workers. This will require putting conservative principles into action: significant regulatory reform, support for increased production, and a government that focuses on funding basic research instead of chasing fads and picking winners.
Much more besides this is in the plan. Read it and see for yourself that Mitt Romney has thought this out with his team and will be the guy to get it done.

Repair_Man_Jack

2004 was rigged. The Illuminati were destined to win.

tnfriendofcoal101368

1. King Barack, First of his Name, Lord of the lower 48 states, High King of Hawaii, Lord Protector of Alaska and Puerto Rico

2. David Axelrod – The King’s First Minister

3. Debbie Wah Wah – His majesties herald

#Just Saying

streiff

unfortunately for you we’ve decided that you aren’t a very good fit for the site and we encourage you to take your rumors some other place. Tschuss.

Repair_Man_Jack

His countenace gave off a malevolent glare to all who suffered the misfortune of making his acquaitence. (HT: Robert Lewis Stevenson).

acat

Oh.

Too late.

Mew

Repair_Man_Jack

in the movie Eyes Wide Shut

commonsenseobserver

But he needs to promote them more, including on opening new markets and all.

I think Conservatives are generally satisfied, but it’d be better if Romney would also embrace specific tax reforms (not just cuts), including simplification, and propose the elimination of specific agencies.

But to independents and moderates, these also matter, and even in terms of the policies that have already been laid out, it would give us greater credibility if Romney detailed the effect of his policies on the budget year-by-year, to fulfil his commitment to balance the books by around 2020.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

We’ve shifted our primary focus from rallies and parades to educating our members and friends and attending AM or AFP or other training sessions. We’re working on campaigns and making calls and door knocking. We’re into social media. We’ve joined our local GOP, are becoming recognized by our own elected officials and are influencing the legislation that gets proposed and passed.

Our calls to action aren’t to come to a rah rah rally and wave a flag or sign a petition. They’re to work. We’re not just cheerleaders anymore.

rdm42

Sorry, but that doesn’t cut it. All of what you just posted does not make it right for him to call the blatantly unconstitutional constitutional. There are. No. Possible. Excuses. None. Zero,. Zip. Zilch.

citizenjerry

Exactly right. As Squire Rhodes said in the online series Courage, New Hampshire, it’s time to burn the rot from the barrel. And Thomas Jefferson had it right — the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

tnfriendofcoal101368

Here I’ll give you an example…here is the best and truest dissent ever…it is EPIC. Basically says the majority is wrong, were making it up as the went along and pulled off a disgraceful power grab….

“I find nothing in the language or history of the Constitution to support the Court’s judgment. The Court simply fashions and announces a new constitutional right for pregnant women and, with scarcely any reason or authority for its action, invests that right with sufficient substance to override most existing state abortion statutes. The upshot is that the people and the legislatures of the 50 States are constitutionally disentitled to weigh the relative importance of the continued existence and development of the fetus, on the one hand, against a spectrum of possible impacts on the woman, on the other hand. As an exercise of raw judicial power, the Court perhaps has authority to do what it does today; but, in my view, its judgment is an improvident and extravagant exercise of the power of judicial review that the Constitution extends to this Court.”

Almost 40 years later, the majority opinion in Roe v Wade is still the law of the land and 95% of Americans don’t know who Justice Byron White even was or that this was his dissent (even though it is the truest dissent ever written).

Tbone

nt

tnfriendofcoal101368

As my Grandpappy used to say, it does no good to shut the barn door after the cow has already run off. I’d say “please don’t leave the house without your tinfoil hat so the rest of us will have time to take cover as you are springing forward.” You can only prevent being collatoral damage in tornado if you see it coming.

citizenjerry

If you want to throw up your hands in defeat and cry like a little schoolgirl, you’re welcome to it. But even the Gordian knot was unraveled, so we need to be about the business of taking our country back — for the sake of our founders.

tnfriendofcoal101368

My Grandpappy’s advice is pretty good one to remember vis a vis Roberts’ decision. Once the cows out in the pasture, you just got to work a little harder and put her back in the barn.

macbookben

The TP that coalesced in ’09 has embedded itself in politics proper. Gone only is the media publicity of the first wave of protesters we watched gathering in town halls or in front of court houses, statehouses, etc. Let’s let James Carville believe that the movement is dead because he hasn’t seen any tricorn hat-wearing patriots carrying the Gadsden flag at a Sara Palin rally lately. He will realize in November that they were writing checks to Romney’s campaign, or that they upset an incumbent’s claim to a 6th term in the house or senate in a primary, what have you.

Underestimate us at your own peril, Mr. President.

OccamsRazor

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lineholder

May we all engrave it on our hearts!

runner12

disaster yesterday for our Constitution and that his opinion appeared to be grasping at any straw to try and justify upholding the ACA. He deserves all of the ire and disdain that he is receiving. I give little credibility to the theory that he was looking “long-term.” Most likely he just wanted to protect his on idea of the “reputation” of the Court. Ironically, he may have irrevocably desroyed it.

That being said, politics is a strange animal. In the long run, this was probably the worst outcome for Obama possible. The best would have been for it to have been overturned, an idea not eminating from myself, but from Leftist commentators prior to the opinion. This may have been spin on their part, but it had an element of truth to it. Now this election is once again all about ObamaCare, better known now as ObamaTax. He cannot run away from this one nor will he be able to shift the narrative. Now he is forced to run on his abysmal record, with his unprecidented tax hike at the top of the list.

dansvan

Thank you for your succinct take on the Obamacare decision. You are right, right, right – and I’m awake too!

independentmike

Roberts’ ridiculous liberal rulings in the AZ immigration case and now in the Obamacare case show that he is turning into another David Souter, in my opinion. I suspect he is starting to care more about the praise of the D.C. elite and about being seen as “flexible and “long-term looking” than about the Constitution.

What’s especially frustrating is that even Anthony Kennedy came down squarely on the side of the Constitution.

Personally, I think Roberts is a disgrace and that he should resign.

edintexas

The first question in oral arguments was “Is this a tax?” The government answered it was not. The reason this was the first question is the Anti-Injunction Act, which prohibits court challenges to taxes until the first person pays the tax and then goes to court to challenge his payment of the tax.

So the Congressional Record shows the Congress stating this was not a tax. The Solicitor General’s office presented to the Court that it was not a tax. And the Anti-Injunction Act prohibits bringing actions on taxes until the tax is paid.\

Roberts ignored the legislative record. Roberts ignored the court presentation. And Roberts ignored the law. Roberts perpetrated a fraud on the citizens of the United States. He wasn’t “smart”, by helping Mittens get elected (if that even happens). He was afraid of the Left and their assault on the Court.

nepanyrush

1. Obama got a major legislative accomplishment. Otherwise, he would have been seen as wasting time when the economy was in bad straits. Now, he will say we need this safety net because of the bad economy. And it is a big accomplishment: liberals have been trying to do this for a 100 years.

2. He still can spin this as not a tax. Already his campaign is doing so. he can say that he disagrees with Roberts and that this is not really a tax. And his administration did spend 1 day arguing before the SC that it was not a tax, in order to support the commerce clause position, and so he can spin it that way.

3. Obama can go out and lie about all the great things this will do, as he did before. People will believe him again. Already I see his lies being propagated. He will use fear of the GOP to destroy this major accomplishment.

No way is this the worse outcome for Obama possible. The worse would have been Roberts showing some backbone and striking down this law.

barleycorn

I’m glad a few people are thinking with their brains instead of reacting with their spleens.

John Roberts is both a conservative and a very intelligent and savvy man.

The Obamacare ruling is a blip, getting control once again of the federal government and setting limits on its power by correctly interpreting the Constitution is the foundation Roberts laid down yesterday.

barleycorn

I’m embarrassed by the mindless rantings of people who are not fit to hold John Roberts’ robe.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

My sister owns a small business and has part-time employees, all Hispanic. She pays and treats them well and has helped or is helping each of them get their papers/status in order. One of the guys is like family. Am I wrong or under ObamaTax, doesn?t she have to either provide health care or pay the tax, neither of which she can afford? The only other option is to close up shop.

From the discussion here.

Repeal ObamaTax!

tnfriendofcoal101368

The economy stinks and Obama raised your taxes.

athwart_history

..we have a shot at TN’s other RINO in August, time for Corker to go as well.

Flagstaff

It hardly matters that there might be some good things that come from the Roberts decision. They might have happened, anyway, in fact most of the things you listed were already happening. Unconstitutional law is still unconstitutional, whether parts of it are constitutional or not. To claim that a tax on non-compliance isn’t the same as using requiring compliance is Clinton-Class Parsing. If it was indeed a “a laughably inane ruling,” how is that good? We’ve have plenty of those in the past; would be nice to have a solid, Constitutional one.

The fact is, if the decision was made for any reason other than it’s what Roberts truly believes to be Constitutional truth, it was a bad decision. As he said, it isn’t the Court’s business to save the people from their own elected officials. It also is not the Court’s business to be an alarm clock, to awaken us to the fact that we’re doing harm to ourselves and that the government/Congress can and will do as it wants to us unless we show it we have the backbone to throw the bums (not everybody) out.

Do you claim that Roberts ruled as he did just to bring about “good” change? If so, isn’t it a bit of what George Will calls being “too smart by half”? And doesn’t it also mean that Roberts has injected the Court into politics, something we hear every day is a bad thing?

Tentative, possible, unintended consequences are the other alternative. I’d rather have the sure elimination of ObamaRobertsCare by the logically correct ruling than bet on the possibility that we will turn over the Senate and the White House and repeal ObamaRobertsCare. What if Obama is re-elected? Then where are we?

A cloud is still a cloud, silver lining or not, and this one could still rain all over our parade.

Samsara

It will save the Republic from Obama by working and sacrificing to elect Obama-Lite. Erick?s comments about the Tea Party remind me of a scene in Animal House. Put a tri-cornered hat on Kevin Bacon and you have it.
Yes, awaken the sleeping giant? time for it to be used (again) and then discarded (again).

AceInTX

and by having them in the Senate Caucus\, we are Guaranteed to never get to a vote on full Repeal of Obamacare because.

They will never let a bill containing full repeal of Obamacare to the floor and they will always side with the Democrats in a filibuster preventing a vote to take place because they don’t want full repeal….

I’ll say it again…the “My Party right or wrong…My Party do or die…” mentality is destroying this country every bit as mush as the Obama/Pelosi/Reed triumvirate is….

Let’s revisist what McConnell and the boys were saying beofre the 2010 elections….nay….even before that…while Reid was pushing Obamacare through the Senate….Instead of running every procedural roadblock available to slow it down….they were openly talking about how unpopular Obamacare was and how they’d let it pass and gain big in the 2010 elections…

Well…it worked….but at what freaking cost…we now have Obamacare wrapped around our necks….and it will NEVER bee repealed because of the solid Block of Congressmen and Senators in the Republican Main Street Partnership who want to keep parts of it alive….coupled to a feckless leadership in the house and Senate who are hamstrung by having to pander to the RMSP gang to keep them in line combined with a cowardice, unprincipled desire to make political gains of the death of the Republic…and a demonic lust for the power the law gives them to force us all under their boots….

I POX on all of them!!!

runner12

1.) Obama spent many months touting ObamaCare as an accomplishment when it was passed, yet it did not prevent the shellacking he got in the 2010 elections. He and his ilk have had years to sell this to the American people and it HAS NOT worked. Do not buy into the Leftist spin that if “given more time to sell it” Americans will love it.

2). If he spins it as not a tax, he will look like an abject fool. His legislation was upheld on it being a tax. Additionally, there was confusion in the ranks leading up to the oral arguments on whether or not it is a tax. Sorry, but he can spin away but it won’t work.

3.) His cronies have ZERO desire to run on ObamaTax. Their media ilk and themselves have already declared the matter settled and they want to “move on” from health care and to the economy ( what a joke ). He will never tout this as a major victory on the campaign trail. He is already running as fast as he can from it.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

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smokinmadokie

Next Wed. is Independence Day. I personally plan on reading out loud at our annual family get together; the original Declaration of Independence with the phrase “this current regime” instead of King George.

I view this as the RE-Founding of our Constitutional Republic.

FIRED UP – READY TO ROLL

garfieldjl

What Ace pointed out is accurate, while there is the possibility that they may be touting a different message now, the question is what are they going to do if they win their elections, re-election in November.

AceInTX

Where has the common sense gone people?

Espionage and subversive tactics work….destroying an enemy from within WORKS….or the spy game and all it’s super secret clandestine subversion wouldn’t be such a crucial and integral part of the political game and warfare….

We have a group that is working to keep the Party for working the will of it’s voters from the inside…and they’ve brought us to this…Obamacare should never have become law if McConnell had used every tactical and procedural rule at his disposal to slow it down and stop it….but he didn’t….

and if you want to get down to it….it even goes back further…and John McCain and Lindsey Graham set us up for this with their push for campaign finance reform….THEY passed the law that severely restricted fundraising that benefited the Republican Party!

They did it by restricting business groups, PACs and others friendly to the Republican Party from giving directly to the election of conservative candidates…while leaving the Unions and groups like ACORN to give to the Democrats free from ANY constraints….

Obama could never have been elected…and the Democrat majorities would never have existed were it not for the restrictions we operated under in 2008….and we’d never have gotten to a vote on Obamacare as a result….so don’t tell me we gain a damned thing by having these vermin working to undermine and destroy us from within….it’s BS

AceInTX

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http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

No matter what happens, you always have the same message: bash Republicans.

It’s tiresome and unproductive.

acat

If he wins the primary, then … we support him in the general because the alternative (especially given the guy the Dems ran against DeMint last time) is worse.

Mew

tnguy

Almost everyone who visits this site does. Many congressional republicans have been willing bystanders – and occasional participants – in the rape of our liberty. I’ve yet to see a compelling case made as to why following the playbook of the last 2 decades, (which gave us its most damning result, yesterday), makes any sense at all.

garfieldjl

If Republicans do something that they need to be called to account on, they should be held to account.

The fact the left wing media doesn’t hold Democrats to account in my opinion only shows how they aren’t fit to be called journalists. We should hold ourselves to a higher standard, not try to sink to the left’s standard.

septembergurl

I’ll be repeating some opinions from others in this thread — sorry.

1) First of all, Roberts has been compared to Solomon splitting the baby in this decision. But it’s really more the Gordian Knot which was severed by Hercules or Pericles or whoever with a stroke of his sword.

The Gordian Knot is the regulatory regime established by the legislature and the excutive to control business, the economy, and behavior via the Commerce Clause and the Necessary & Proper Clause. This decision reverses the trend which has dominated since the New Deal, by giving the SC a precedent to review legislation that uses these as justification. This is huge, it completely guts Wickard & other bad decisions on this issue.

Roberts figured (correctly) that the liberals on the court would go along with him on this as long as he voted to uphold. Hey libs, you got pwnd by the Chief!

2) He also roped in Breyer and Kagan for the 7-2 vote on restricting the power of the Federal government to force states to comply with Medicaid expansion. Again, a terrific precedent for all kinds of Federal mandates, especially in areas like education. NCLB, anyone?

3) Renaming the penalty as a tax is, again, sheer genius. It was said that roberts was kicking the can down the road, not at all! He kicked it right back to Congress. I heard Rush ranting yesterday that this established that Congress has an unlimited power of taxation. Hey Rush — Congress had that before this ruling! Why don’t they tax everything that moves 100% — they would if they could, but they don’t. Because they’d be voted out of office. The way to deal with this is as with any tax bill — repeal it.

4) But what did Roberts give up to get those excellent results? In my opinion, nothing. Consider the good results of classifying it as a tax:

–Obama claimed he would never raise taxes on the middle class. He lied.

–The repeal of ACA got a lot easier since only a majority needed in the Senate to vote on a money bill.

–The tax is terribly regressive, it falls equally on the millionnaire and the busboy. It’s the kind of thing Obama said he was against.

5) Politics. When I say Roberts is playing the long game, I don’t mean this year’s elections. I mean years and decades to come in which the Court will finally undo many of the mistakes which have burdened us for decades. I believe they are going to revisit Affirmative Action next year, so stay tuned.
Meanwhile, Romney now gets a big injection of what has been missing from his campaign — passion. Also, money.

The Democraps and their media shills have been telling us forever what a big plus the ACA is for Dems. It was going to create a permanent majority like the New Deal. Uh, no. Once the bill passed, it would become more popular. No. Now they tell us that once it’s constitutional, it will become more popular. Again, no.

SearchUSA polled three states overnight on the ruling. One blue, one red, one swing. Even in California, more people oppose the act and think their healthcare will be worse/more expensive under it. It polls badly in Kansas and also (bad sign for Obama) in Florida.

So, politically as well as substantively, this is not a winner for Obama. And let’s hold off on tarring & feathering the Chief.

rightlane1111

I put a little letter to Romney in The Hill this AM…saying…”when you are president…better appoint Conservatives”.

Should we get stuck with another fence sitter…Romney and the current crop of Republicans will go the way of the Whigs and the country will either form another party…or the Democrats will rule us like Chavez. I AM NOT ADVOCATING A THIRD PARTY.

Now…here is where many seniors are and what they are thinking. My healthcare is going to go through the roof. I have paid for Medicare while working…I am on Medicare and I have a good supplement…and it is not AARP. However, that is going to be cost prohibitive as far an enjoyment of the rest of my life. I will live to exist and pay for the expenditures of the government.

Secondly, many of my heath items that I routinely have done once a year have already been cut back. The rumors are rampant on the Net concerning what the cutoff age is for treatment.

I know this statement is personal…but I want to share this with all of you…because I am Senior America. I am very lucky to be in excellent health and I do what I am supposed to to keep it that way. However, my husband, who I love dearly and have been married to for over 42 years had a heart attack nine years ago. What happens to him and me if they refuse to treat him? I’m scared to death about that. I don’t mind existing to support the government if that is what this ruling means…but to deny him coverage…or me for that matter will put me in a very unstable state of mind. Thank God, his health is good and the doctor is pleased.

I know that I am not unique…seniors all over this country are wondering…when will the Death Panels start…and believe me…no matter what word you use…rationing means you DENY COVERAGE. I pay for that…and they will still take it from me.

Now…if one goes into Obamacare…there are laws written within it that are harmful to the health of THIS NATION. Nobody read the thing…but some of the items did come out. The stupid thing is going to bankrupt this country.

So for the good of the reputation of the Court…NOT THE CONSTITUTION…supposedly they will not be seen a political…but the lives of MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people will be ruined all for the sake of “reputation”.

Roberts thumbed his nose at the Arizona Law and Obama negated a law that nullifies all state participation in deportation. So, we have the Feds to help us. Do all of you feel better…I don’t.

We now have a person as our nominee that is NOT CONSERVATIVE and the TPM and newly elected members of Congress BETTER hold Romney’s feet to the fire to put in CONSERVATIVE JUDGES THAT INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION…not ones that worry about reputation.

Roberts put his reputation and the Courts’ before the Constitution and the people.

Common_Cents

Agree that this fall on the sword political martyrdom is terribly stupid.

It’s allowing what we are actually trying to prevent! For what? political gain?

I’ll be shocked and eat my computer piece by piece if this monstrosity gets fully repealed.

Since when was the last time the stupid party talked so big and actually walked their talk?

However, I do give the house credit for following through on Holder’s contempt. That is a positive sign.

But that pales in comparison to standing up for budget issues and now obamacareTAX.

checkmate2012

party voter was going give up on this election to begin with. You asked the right question, what happens if BO wins and/or we don’t get both Chambers?

We’re doomed even if Romney wins and we get both Chambers since this is a precedence setting disaster. What Constitution??? It’s been ripped up to shreds.

Common_Cents

This is just a cluster……..

Spinning that it’s somehow good is putting lipstick on the rear of a pig.

runner12

But, with respect, there is a time and place for eveything. After the shocking outcome of yesterday’s SC ruling, we need to be rallying the troops and not wailing about what they may not do if we are so fortunate as to win in November.

It is okay to talk about purging the RINO’s in the upcoming election. That is good and productive. We must hold their feet to the fire and we will. I am optimistic that we can change the tide in DC.

If they cave, then we can warm up the tar and feathers. Until then, we need to be talking about taking down Obama.

wintermute

Hey I have a great Idea! Lets cut the size of our party in half, push the half we dont want into our enemy’s camp, and then compete for votes!

YAWP!!!!

ghostship

Congress could pass a law requiring everyone to become a muslim or pay a “tax.”

Congress could pass a law requiring a one child policy and mandatory abortion of any extra children or pay a “tax.”

Congress can pass any unconstitutional law they want but the fine (I mean “tax”) for not obeying the law will be upheld.

Yet, a bunch of so called republicans want to pass this ruling off as a victory.

Some victory.

AceInTX

because as usual…you accuse me of a blanket attack on the entire Republican Party when I am speaking of specific PARTS of the Republican Party

The Democrats are bad…we all agree on that…so I reiterate…please tell me where I’m wrong….

We share the same goal of defeating them…only I want to find a way to destroy them utterly and I can’t see how we do that with a bunch of people who claim to be on our side and insist on colluding with them and finding ways to accommodate them.

Yet you are always ready to make excuses and find a way to defend them by smearing my motives.

Was Roberts or was he not nominated by a Republican President and confirmed by a Republican Senate?

Does the RMSP have as a stated goal of it’s members to keep portions of Obamacare and have they or have they not aided and abetted Obama, Reid and Pelosi by fighting tooth and nail to prevent votes on repeal of Obamacare…and helped pass other legislation at odds with the Republican Party?

Has there or has there not been a collusive attitude from the Republican Leadership in Congress and the Senate when it comes to passing massive spending hikes and preventing progress on scaling back Democrat Gains at every turn?

Did elements of the Republican Party or did they not…in Nevada Deleware and in other states?form ?Republicans for Democrat X? committees whose specific purpose was to work to defeat the Republican Nominees of their respective Senate seats?

Did McConnell or did he not use every tactical and procedural means at his disposal to prevent Obamacare from ever coming to a vote?

Did McConnell and his lieutenants or did they not signal and brag about their strategy to let Obamacare become law so they could hang Obamacare around Democrat’s necks and run on it in the 2010 elections…

Was that strategy or was it not a disaster for this nation?

And please spare me your usual tactic of snarky comments and generalizations of who I am and what I believe followed by a ban threat as if being a moderator with the ability to ban me makes you right?.its getting a little tiresome!

Common_Cents

Sorry, ain’t buying it. Obama has been lying since 2004 and before. We got punked.

Yes, we have to try and make lemonade out of this mess, but we were dealt a major load of lemons.

AceInTX

We have to hold these people to account somehow because we just lost a big one here…and what burns my buns is that it didn’t have to happen….but there is always a …”there’s no time for fighting this” argument to be made…and we never fight it…and so…we progress to the point where we have an Earl Warren Clone nominated by yet another Republican President who plaid dress up as a conservative destroying our liberty and ripping out whole sections of the Constitution as he did it!

I’m not saying vote against them in the General election…I’m saying…Keep score….write their names down…and remember….and destroy them at the next opportunity!

AceInTX

I wouldn’t pour a bucket of warm spit on him if her were in flames…I’d be looking for the gas can!

acat

So far, Neil’s right, you’re whining. Where’s the action?

What do you propose that we do, other than releasing “a pox” in the halls of congress?

Mew

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Complaining is easier!

acat

Just a stat that came across my radar today…. from a pastor who has made it his goal to change it in his church.

Mew

AceInTX

and always getting what we’ve always gotten?

debbie912oh

The left just THINKS we’ve been asleep (I kind of like that idea–let them keep thinking it and we’ll blow them away in November).

Common_Cents

I admire the left, they play for keeps. They have long ago since declared war on us and America(ultimately, ironically, themselves).

When are we going to wake up and quit playing pattycake? and rearranging the deck chairs?

runner12

paragraph. There is no doubt that this is the GOP’s last opportunity to get it right. I am in full agreement with Ace of Spades on this one. I just reccd a diary that reposted what he said.

But we can do nothing about the past. Dwelling on past betrayals is self-defeating. I prefer drawing a firm line in the sand and daring the DC establishment to cross it at their political peril. Let’s take it to them, instead of hand-wring.

Common_Cents

totally absurd responses by many on the right that this is a good thing.

checkmate2012

The fix to ram thru Obamatax was put it place by the super-majority in 2009, nearly a year before O’tax was signed, when neither Boehner nor McConnell could stop it and NO Republicans voted for the following:

Congress Passes FY 2010 Budget Resolution
http://www.ombwatch.org/node/9964, Posted on May 6, 2009

“On April 29, exactly 100 days into the Obama administration, the House and Senate each passed a final version of the Fiscal Year 2010 budget resolution….

The House and Senate also agreed to include the option of using the reconciliation process later in 2009 to move health care reform legislation through Congress….

The House passed the resolution by a 233-193 margin. No Republicans supported the resolution, and 17 Democrats voted against it, all but four of whom represent districts that supported Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in the 2008 presidential election, according to an analysis by Congressional Quarterly. The Senate passed the measure 53-43. As in the House, no Senate Republicans voted for the budget, while Democrats Evan Bayh (IN), Ben Nelson (NE), and Robert Byrd (WV) voted against the budget. Arlen Specter (D-PA), who recently switched his party affiliation, also voted against the budget.”

tnfriendofcoal101368

is akin to taking out two M-16′s handing them to King Barack and letting him unload into both of your feet.

Let me give you a real world example, I live in Tennessee, one of my Senators is Lamar Alexander, a squishes, squish. I sent Senator Alexander a letter letting him know if he wants to continue to use Dick Lugar as a model of the Senator he wants to be; then we can arrange for him to take the same retirement package the good people of Indiana gave Dick Lugar. In 2014, I’ll work my darndest to see he gets the retirement he has earned. I hope you’ll help. However, if Senator Alexander survives his Primary challenge than I’ll carry his water and work just as hard to get out the vote to ensure he gets to tick me off for another 6 years.

Because there is really no spinning this (though for some reason you and Garfield seem to want too), Lamar Alexander voted no on Obama Care; he voted no to the stimulus. Jim Cooper voted for both enthusiastically. Lamar Alexander is a RINO squish;Jim Cooper is the head of the House Blue Dog coalition.

I’ll not ever again see a Democrat in the White House or Democratic majority in the Senate or House and look in the mirror and think I didn’t do everything possible to prevent it. Never again will a Republican leader have the excuse or fact that he faced a Democratic President, a super majority of Democrats in the Senate and large Democratic majority in the House and I didn’t do everything possible to prevent it.

acat

(don’t recognize it? Try bing)

Mew

runner12

Those who are are just plain silly. The ruling yesterday was a disaster, Constitutionally speaking. There were a few salvageable points, but it did not outweigh the overall negatives.

But we have to salvage what we can and lead a charge. A coach whose team is down 3 touchdowns at the half would never suggest for his team to give up and go home. We have to fight it out, no matter what. Wailing about how some in the GOP have screwed us takes too much time and energy. We all know they have. Let’s move on to plotting how to toss their sorry ends out of DC for good and always.

PowerToThePeople

and one fine example is the election of 2010. The left got whooped, yet they claimed it would be a bright day for them as the country would see our party as the obstructionist they are and at the end of the day, our victory would be a plus for them.

Not saying I agree or disagree with many of the comments and opinions concerning the decision, but it is a win for us as is the decision/Obama action against Arizona. People are opening their eyes to what the Obama admin really is. They do not like how he has attacked Arizona considering the very law they put up is the same wording as the fed law and they did what they did because the Obama admin refuses to enforce our laws. They do not like that Obama shoved this HC bill down our throats and they do not like how he acted towards the court by basically threatening them.

It is a major loss for us but one that can be fixed a few different ways from refusing to fund to a presidential repeal. But besides that, the loss made this side angry, motivated, and turned some fence walkers to our side. At the end of the day, the two actions and court decisions will be a net positive for us and will cost Obama his seat. Does not make it easy to swallow and makes our job much tougher, but there are benefits to the loss.

And this is not football so the analogy does not work.

taciturn

Yesterday, you wrote a piece about why you were NOT down on Chief Justice Roberts. Today, you write a piece in which you stated John Roberts sold liberty down the river….which to my eye reads that you ARE in fact down on John Roberts. Forgive me since I am new here, but, from what I can see, the ruling did the Republican Party a few huge favors. It gave Mitt Romney and every GOP congressional candidate an issue to hammer the Democrats with–the largest single tax increase in US history that was FRAUDULENTLY marketed to the electorate as not a tax. It has united those parts of the Right that were–charitably–lukewarm about Mitt Romney behind him…both regular Republicans and Tea Partiers. Mitt Romney has hauled in just under 5 MILLION dollars in under 24 hours (most of them being small dollar donations)…and unlike the President, MR doesn’t have to burn this cash until AFTER the convention…..unlike the President, who is taking a blowtorch to his cash pile as people read this. Finally, it helps take some of the spotlight off of an issue that was going to stab him in the Fall–immigration and the fact (and it is a fact based on the averaging of polls both Left & Right) that the majority of Hispanic voters do not like him and do not like the GOP.

Perhaps I am naive, but, John Roberts seems to have done more for Mitt Romney in 24 hours than most of the bloviating media heads of the Right Commentariat have done for him in months. Instead of you, and many on the Right taking dumps on him, perhaps you all should thank him for handing you the smelling salts. Like the CJ said, it’s the Court’s job to save the voters from bad laws, but, it is not the Court’s job to save the voters from bad politics…and the ACA was/is bad politics.

So which is it, EE–are you down on John Roberts, or, are you going to take this adrenaline shot and move on toward the Fall, and hopefully the removal of the current Administration?

[Let the lapidation of me begin]

gekster

to you and all others who use a sigline in other than english,
it does no good if others don’t know the language it is printed in.
If others posters can’t understand the language,
what good does it do?

civil truth

“Heresy is not always a bad thing”

Agree that folks should be cautious about foreign language sig lines.

gekster

ntnt

stingray11214

How much money does she have? Gilibrand has almost $10 million in the bank. The reality is that Long has to get every single vote that she can get north of the Hudson Valley. Win Long Island, and get at least 35% in NYC. Unless Romney puts up a real presence in NY, and Obama is seen as struggling, or losing states that he should be winning, Long is dead in the water.

The reality is that those with money are going to go to candidates that are close, like Scott Brown and Maine’s GOP candidate (King and Dill will kill each other to provide the opening.)

civil truth

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gekster

I was meaning the posters of said quotes.
my bad for not being clearer.

funwithknives

and find out you took away “my new dearest friend”?

….now, I got The Blues and gotta sing a song about it, so here it is:

” Annie, kicked my Fannie,
but it didn’t last long.
She thought she was ‘on it’,
but ‘streiff’ proved her wrong.
She will live on,
in my little heart.
For ’bout five whole minutes,
then ‘poof’,she’ll de-part………”

funwithknives

American Bandstand Rate A Record system anyone want to make me feel better?

I got feelings and stuff ya’ know.

AceInTX

but he didn’t….the key was…he didn’t have to stop it…he just vhad to slow it down….Actually…you can throw Grassly into the mix on this because he didn’t do anything to slow it down during markup in committee…

could he have stopped it completely?…I don’t know…but he could have dragged it out for months after he actually did…but he didn’t…they announced they were going to let it pass while planting all kinds of stories about what a great and master strategist McConnell is…and how they were going to hang Obamacare around the Dem’s neck and beat them in the 2010 elections….

Defend McConnell if you want….but it’s just noise…is he for repeal now? has he said anything about repeal at all now? is it even on his radar?

You wouldn’t know it if it was….in fact Erick reported the other day how McConnell’s lieutenants are talking about how McConnell is going out of his way to avoid angering Harry freaking Ried….what kind of crap is that…Who gives a tinker’s Damn if Harry Ried get’s mad? since when are Republicans in the business of ensuring the Democrat Majority Leader stays happy?

BAAHHH!!

acat

At what point would the “party of NO!” mantra the Dems use whenever they can’t pass their agenda have started to cost us seats in 2010?

Do you know?

I don’t.

I agree that McConnell stopped fighting much, much too soon .. and I further agree that it’s time for him to spend more time with his family.

You need to use a smaller brush here, though.

Mew

AceInTX

by 60% of the vote no less….What is that?

There are still Primaries to win….against David Dewhurst for one…

and there is also the issue of letting the DC establishment we are watching and if this cretinous behavior continues…there WILL be a reckoning…

but then…there are always the apologists for the establishment here and elsewhere who’ll make excuses and attack and threaten those of us insist on pointing out the offenses of the establishment aren’t there?

acat

This one needs a fighting mad Texan, not a flatlander cat.

Mew

http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

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AceInTX

and how absurd that is considering my example that the Federal Government is now empowered through this ruling to pas laws taking us at ridiculous levels unless we buy groceries according to a federally mandated grocery list for our own good…

Oh wait…to hear some here tell it…I don’t give examples….or have valid points because all I’m capable of doing is attacking republicans….that must have been a different aceintx who wrote that

ihateliberals

There may be pockets of activity but on a whole Nothing. The Tea Party should have been having a Major march aboiut every six months and this last week should have been a million of us on the Mall by the Supreme Court. Not there. I get Tea Party mail but nothing is really happening to excite anyone. Where the hell did they disappear too. It is like whenthe Republicans and democrats started beating us down eeveryone was afraid to say anything. maybe not asleep but deffinitely not wide awake.

AceInTX

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ihateliberals

There may be pockets of activity but on a whole Nothing. The Tea Party should have been having a Major march aboiut every six months and this last week should have been a million of us on the Mall by the Supreme Court. Not there. I get Tea Party mail but nothing is really happening to excite anyone. Where the hell did they disappear too. It is like when the Republicans and democrats started beating us down everyone was afraid to say anything. maybe not asleep but definitely not wide awake.

Robertds may have been trying to avoid later confrontations withthe Democrats but now he is going to have to deal with as much if not more criticism from Republicans than he could have imagined. now no matter what his decisons are on the Court we will not trust him. he picked the wrong piece of law to make a point with. He opened the flood gates to congress now so that to take control of any industry all they have to do is force the public to buy the product or face a penalty. all they have to do is call it a tax. Thank you Roberts for being so arrogant and disloyal to your own beliefs. Who paid you off? Was the money worht it?

civil truth

Returns come back here…

gekster

Havn’t been paying attention then have you.
They show up when needed, but since most are taxpayers, they tend to go to thier jobs instead of running around doing what you think they should do.

On the other hand, the OWS bunch don’t have jobs, and have plenty of time to run around the country crying life’s not fair to them.

acat

The story goes that a college football team had a terrible first half while playing the Army team from West Point. (I could be wrong about that…)

Normally star players were making stupid mistakes, and they knew it.

Coach leads ‘em into the locker room at half time, then walks out the other door. They’re expecting an epic chewing out, but .. the coach doesn’t come back. They’re sitting there – running over the plays they’ve screwed up, deathly quiet, nobody wanting to say anything.

Finally, the coach comes back and says “Let’s go, ladies. Army’s waiting.” (or similar) and walks back toward the field.

Mew

runner12

But I meant people on this thread and RS in general. EE did not go so far as Mr. Will. George Will is certainly entitled to his opinion, but his reasoning is flawed on this one.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

First, as many of us on this diary have pointed out, we’ve moved on from rallies and marches to activism. See my comment here. Most of us work for a living and can’t just take off whenever we please to go to a rally in D.C., nor can we afford it. Most of us are involved in our local tea party and our local GOP. We’re stretched pretty thin by the time you count up the hours spent at work, church, with family, and then add in the tea party and GOP, not to mention other initiatives with other groups designed to help elect conservatives (GOTV).

Second, I’m sick of the tea party being blamed for this mess. We’re not miracle workers. The tea party has been around for what? 3 years? We cannot undo in a couple of years the damage both sides have done for decades.

Third, we’re working our butts off. Again, we’ve moved on from rallies. Know where I’m headed in a few minutes? To help with a last minute call from my GOP for volunteers for an event. Not exactly how I planned to spend my Friday night. I’m working another GOP event in the hot sun tomorrow afternoon to register voters. I’d rather stay home in the A/C drinking sweet tea. My fellow tea partiers are spending all day at a training session they are paying to attend out of their own pockets on how to help make sure Florida votes red in November. I’ve signed up for Alabama’s State GOP initiative “Battleground Patriots” designed to help make sure VA, FL and NC vote red in November. Some of my fellow tea parties went to Wisconsin to help Walker. Many plan to go to FL.

Are you involved in your local tea party and/or GOP? GOTV? True the Vote? Anything?

JSobieski

since I have been alive.

All sorts of behavior are incentivized by the tax code before Obama was ever in elected office.

The tax code is a doomsday mechanism—the ultimate mechanism for laundering constitutional power grabs.

Any penalty can be reframed as a tax increase and an offsetting credit.

1stRichard

I cannot say acceptable behavior for Conservatives will go that far left but there is movement, the bar is being lowered. Most absolutely, no Molotov cocktails however I cannot rule out some rotten eggs or a cream pie being thrown as long as it is political speech.

lineholder

Interesting day today at work. Business was down between 25% – 30%., so I got sent home early. Some of that decrease is probably due to the heat (103 degrees here today).

Our client base is rather strongly conservative. Plenty of people upset about the decision yesterday…in a fighting mood. And I have no doubt that they’ll fight tooth and nail through the elections in November.

But after that, if Obama wins…don’t know about that. A couple of business owners I talked to are already considering a contingency plan if Obama wins…saying “why should we carry the financial burden for the left…if they want the tax revenues for their big dollar programs…fine, then they can persuade their base to open up businesses…work 14 hours a day….get taxed out the ying-yang….because I won’t be doing it for them”.

It won’t happen…too much of the left’s base is far too entrenched in the entitlement mentality to work that hard…especially for the sake of “evil” capitalism.

Anecdotal, and I don’t know how widespread this attitude might be. Still, it brought home the what the consequences (unintended or otherwise) of the blind loyalty of those on the left may end up being.

scchuck

The real story of the Roberts decision is that the Court or at least the Chief Justice can be intimidated by the triumvirate of academia, main stream media, and the Democratic Party! Conservatives are jumping through hoops to put lipstick on a pig to find a positive story to this outcome, but one only needs to read any of Politico and any other liberal leaning sites to see that Roberts is being canonized for writing this convoluted decision as establishing his legacy. These same commentators were prepared to condemn him as a partisan hack had the decision gone the other way. In their world when the 4 liberal justices continually vote in lockstep regardless of the issue, their actions are courageous, but conservative justices voting together is crass politicization of the Court. The long term legacy of this unfortunate decision will not be related to the Commerce clause, the unlimited Taxing ability given to Congress or even the future of Obama Care, it will be the realization that progressives can and will continue to intimidate the Supreme Court of the United States while Republicans and Conservatives whine or make excuses. The Court is now truly the weakest branch of the Federal Government.

proudmarinemom

it is no longer a branch at all.

Think “President” Jack Nicholson in “Mars Attacks!”:

“I want the people to know that they still have the Executive and the Legislative Branches working for them, and two out of three AIN’T BAD!”

(Have the clip anyone?)

windwaker24

I know I can! Roberts shirked his responsiblity given to him by the Founders, then tried to blame the citizens for this mess. The Court is a check on the other branches. If 1 or both go berserk, it’s their job to reign them back in and put them back in harmony with Constitution, not simply sit back and say “Citizens, look what you did” while collecting a paycheck from said citizens.

I refuse to excuse this blatant disrespect of our Founders’ intent from Roberts, Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

septembergurl

an unlimited ability to tax. Congress has had that for a long time. as I say in my post, which you clearly did not read, this power already existed. What constrains Congress is not the Constitution, but the electorate.

checkmate2012

did Roberts cite for upholding ACA? None. Not captation, not excise, not income. He twisted the whole darn thing and made a mockery of precedence, now and in the future. Tax me if I don’t buy whatever is exactly what he did.

There is no way he was schemeing to help Congress or the voters,

mikeymike143

quick wit is always in style as far as i am concerned.

tnfriendofcoal101368

rickperryreports would be epic. Seriously, Ace the link acat sends you too is a Dewhurst operative cutting down Ted Cruz, Jim Demint and the tea party. Acat, I am popping popcorn as we speak.

acat

Think he’s getting a little burnt out around the edges.

Mew

acat

because I don’t *have* thumbs …

Mew

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

I’ll be happy for you to add my name to it. He’s been a huge disappointment because he was a decent governor.

I have to use my parent’s address (Warren County) when I communicate with him since I live in Alabama, but I’m still a member of the TN GOP.

Flagstaff

I don’t care how big your lipstick is, that thing is still going to be a pig tomorrow morning.

I said before that we would benefit, no matter how the ruling came down (I wasn’t considering the “tax” business), but what we got was the least of the possible benefits. Roberts could conceivably have used the same words as he voted to find the law unconstitutional, and then we’d be rid of the law with the same legal points being made.

Roberts figured (correctly) that the liberals on the court would go along with him on this as long as he voted to uphold.

Really? Appearances are that he went along with them with the intention of saving the law from itself.

I’m also very nervous about a Chief Justice who is considered conservative but who feels comfortable in making law from the bench while parsing along with Bill. IF he stepped away from deciding the case on its merits and was trying instead to affect the coming election and future laws, he should be impeached.

Maybe it all simply proves that a good lawyer can find anything he wants in the Constitution. If so, we are doomed.

Flagstaff

I’m not so worried about Romney, but I’m very close to you on the rest.

I think Romney is more conservative than many people think. I don’t think he’s a “fence sitter” in any way. For one thing, Romney has been successful because he is observant, practical, and intelligent. It’s difficult to be all three and not recognize that the conservative position is the right one.

Still, you are right that we need better, true conservatives in the Congress to keep false conservatives from having any influence with him.

Flagstaff

Well done.

Flagstaff

That’s as it should be. The founders were very worried about a too-powerful court.

I don’t know how we would do without it in a case like this, though. Even though it came down wrong.

Given the chance, Obama would ignore a decision he doesn’t like. Could THAT be what Roberts was trying to avoid? He wasn’t bought out but he was coerced, himself, afraid that Obama would just channel Andy Jackson and say, “Let Justice Roberts enforce his own order.”

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

I’ve been a little testy the last couple of days, and those blaming the tea party just hit my last nerve. LOL. But I meant every single word.

otis1

I agree with you that the TEA PARTIES are alive and well,and have never actually gone away post 2010.What choice did our “potus” and his MSM MEDIA give them,OBAMA fled DC when the first wave of TEA PARTIERS came to DC,claiming he did not know company was coming to town.Which is scary,because our “potus” should know when a million “HUMOROUS,RACIST,THEN TERRORISTS” are descending on our nation’s capital.

The TEA PARTIES are now wisely underground and more local as you said,so the DEMS and their ABCBSNBC will need work much harder to implant fake OCCUPY Republicans with racist signs?

AceInTX

At what point would the ?party of NO!? mantra the Dems use whenever they can?t pass their agenda have started to cost us seats in 2010?

Who cares…..since when do we ask our enemies if it’s OK to say something they don’t like?….and since when do we cower in a corner and tremble at what they might say about us….

This goes to a post Erick put up the other day about McConnell Lieutenants boasting about something McConnell is doing so as not to anger Harry Ried….

Really?

So it’s the Republican Senate Minority leader’s job to tiptoe through the mine field in a feverish attempt to avoid angering the Democrat Senate Majority Leader?

And we wonder why we’re losing this country and out Liberty is dying?

I’m just dumbfounded that this is where we are…and I can’t believe I’m having to answer this for you or that you would even say we should worry that the Democrats were calling us the party of no!!

Seriously Cat…that’s probably the single most asinine comment I’ve ever seen you make on Red State Cat!!!

audax

….I agree with both salem and rdm42, Your both right!

audax

Cause and effect.

teapartypatriot4ever

Mr Erickson, I have not always agreed with you, but I do here, except for the fact that we have never been asleep, only organizing, strategizing, planning, fundraising, and pounding the main streets of America to be ready for the massive electoral fight during the GOP Primaries, and especially this upcoming 6 Nov. general election against Obama, as well as all the other intermediate fights that need waging against these liberal fascist armies of useful idiots and their hierarchy echelon powers that be.

I, as do all true Reagan Tea Party Conservatives, find the GOP Republican Party establishment liberal progressive RINO’s and their anti-conservative mentality of expanded govt and more spending control of the political party apparatus system machinery, all to maintain the status quo of colluding cooperation with their Democratic buddies in Congress and elsewhere, to keep their grip on power, influence, and access to the govt seat of power, which allows them to have access and control over the American tax payer money trough, as the special privileged permanently political class entrenched elitist politicians that they are, who like you said just use and spit on the very people, aka Tea Party folks all across America, who have given them their majority power in Congress’s House of Representatives. thus is why we are absolutely repulsed by them. At least the Obamacratic party people tell you up front that they are your enemies, whereas these RINO’s, with absolute arrogance and repugnance, just act perfidiously as if they are the ones who actually got what they have now by just being the Republican Party establishment candidates and politicians all by themselves..

They are truly disgusting, as is why we disdain and despise them as much, or even more so than the anti-American liberal Obamacrats. This is why they, people like Jeb Bush, Christie, Mitt Romney, John Boehner, etc, have waged their war against us, and not against Obama and his radical rogue administration regime and all of crony henchmen i Congress and elsewhere in the country, and is why are throwing them all out of power and office.

This is why We the People, now have to fight 2 different liberal enemy forces at the same time.

Amazing, isn’t it, that “The People”, the average ordinary regular hard working folks are always the ones to have to fight every radical liberal extremist element force in the nation on all fronts, all the time.. This is because evil never sleeps, as it is always working to destroy and enslave the people every waking moment of the day, and is why the people must be vigilant, or they will lose everything, which is what has now happened, and hopefully it’s not to late to stop them, and reverse course.

This is why they, the GOP establishment RINO’s hated Ronald Reagan then, s he was a politician of the people, a true conservative who fought for the people, and is why they hate us Reagan Tea Party Constitutional Conservatives now.

My attitude is, too bad, you’re history. Pack your bags and don’t ever come back.

Never argue or try to reason with them and their delusional insanity, as it will only make your sane mind ache from the incessant asinine irrational mentality mindset of indoctrination. There is only one way to deal with anti-American progressive liberals on either side of the political fence, that is to defeat them..

acat

If the “Party of No” mantra isn’t being effectively challenged, then .. it will succeed.

Would you say we’ve got an effective way to challenge it?

Mew

commonsenseobserver

I’m sorry to post here, but I think that one of the reasons the Democrats have been able to attack us is that we have not been able to package our various plans and policies into a coherent framework, which we would then be able to promote. The Jobs through Growth Act (Sen. McCain and Paul) could have become that, but it seems to have disappeared from sight and most voters never even heard about it. We need to formulate our plans, package them, and sell that alternative as a vision to restore America’s promise.

Something like how party platforms and manifestoes in the UK and Canada have always been like. Clear, coherent, convincing (and colourful). One example would be the Canadian Liberal Red Book in 1993, which contained specific pledges to be fulfilled within specific time frames (a quarter of which were broken, coming back to haunt them).

And it’s not just economic policies.

commonsenseobserver

To point out Obama’s hypocrisy.

Like Jenn Rubin says, “It is a simple game of distraction or, if you prefer, a classic case of projection. President Obama has no comprehensive tax plan, nothing on immigration beyond his DREAM power grab, no ideas for Social Security or Medicaid reform. So the Obama team and his media minions attack Romney for not filling in all the blanks in his policies or in refusing to play along with an Obama-inspired storyline. (If Romney doesn’t get his immigration plan, which would supersede and replace the DREAM power grab, would he keep the DREAM power grab?)”.

christopher770

I had to do the same thing. I’m 50y/o and cannot remmeber being so completely and totally angry about a SCOTUS decision. With that said. We must change independent and democratic minds to take back America. The socialist/progressive party must be kicked to the curb. Starting with Palosi, Reed and obviously the Obamanation.

christopher770

There is not other way to say it. You’re plan wrong. Maybe the elected officials dont care, but Americans sure as hell do. This will be repealed and quickly.

rightlane1111

This, of course, is exactly what Obama wants. Some of you will accuse me of a conspiracy theory…but I KNOW…not think…KNOW..that this man has an agenda…and that agenda is the destruction of the USA. He cares little for Liberals or Conservatives, rule of law, the Constitution. All of that has been proven with his actions. His liberal or statist buddies are but a means to an end to achieve the goal.

There is a way to think about Obama. Think of Ahmadinejah. Now…I am not making a racial statement here…I am making a mindset statement. Do you think that the ruler of Iran cares about people? No…he cares about an agenda and who he can use to get it there.

Sooner or later…and I believe the former…the regular union workers are going to figure out that Obama threw them under the bus (one example…jobs from the XL pipeline). This isn’t a liberal ideology either. The man wants to defeat the USA. Look at his rulings and look at his lies…sounds like Ahmadinejah saying he wants nuclear power for energy purposes…right?

Nope…We, the everyday people will have to fight this battle. We have to or our country, our children, our freedoms, our rule of law is lost. Are there people saying “why bother”…Yup…lots of them. “Why bother to work when others get free cell phones and I can’t afford a tank of gas.” Or one better…let’s just leave the country…it’s going down like the Titanic and I want to take my money I have left (lifeboat) and get out of Dodge. THIS IS EXACTLY what Obama intends and we have to push Romney into sounding like Reagan…IF THAT IS POSSIBLE.

acat

Half the battle is identifying the problem…. and the MSM being staffed with sub-par-IQ, indoctrinated, useful idiots like Maddow and Dan Rather is the problem.

How do we get our message *around* them to the public?

Reagan did it through a four year long campaign of columns and speeches. Palin did it through an uncanny gift for boiling down topics into a memorable catchphrase.

That’s the problem and two possible solutions .. how do we implement?

Mew

acat

Bennett was a porky hack.

Lugar was more interested in seeking consensus than being right, as well as past ready to put out to pasture.

Neither figured out how to effectively turn the Tea Party tide.

We may not like Hatch, but .. if the primary is over, then …

Mew

commonsenseobserver

Implementation is always a question mark.

But while we do have ideas, too often, they are scattered all over the place, and they are not packaged well into a Contract with America-style or platform-like document, which would create a more coherent framework around which all Republican reformers can unite. Ideas could then be organised into memorable and convincing catchphrases more easily. It shouldn’t be too complicated, but it should be clear.

It’s still about common sense and responsibility, which ought to be at the forefront of our messaging.

commonsenseobserver

It’s not about being a great communicator, it’s about communicating great things.

acat

in part because he simply *was* a great communicator… to him it came naturally… and in part because, to him, the idea was more important.

I’ll say it again – great ideas we’ve got… a way to get them into the minds and hearts of Joe Citizen, less so.

Mew

tnfriendofcoal101368

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tnfriendofcoal101368

“Nancy Pelosi is a dingbat”.

tnfriendofcoal101368

“Supreme Court says it is a tax, and Obama praised the Supreme Court’s decision.”
“The only promise he’s kept is he would fundamentally transform America
“Nancy Pelosi is a dingbat”

Acat enjoy…

PS…It’s all Sarah’s fault John McCain lost #sarcasm….*rolls eyes*

AceInTX

but we’ve got a bunch of people in this party…and on this site…who want to play into every lie the Dems tell such as trying to compromise in order to prove we’re not the party of no instead if telling people “HELL YES WE’RE THE PARTY OF NO when the Dems are trying to do the wrong thing!!!”

60 to 70 percent of this country is with us on this issue and they were then….but instead of trying to foster that support…and fighting to stop it…and informing the public what we’re doing and why we’re doing it….McConnell and the bunch let it pass….so they could run on it in 2010….

same thing with defending traditional marriage….it’s an issue that wins 60 to 70 percent every time voters are given a choice on the issue….but we’d rether cave than get galled bad names by the all powerful Democrats and the main stream media…and GOD forbid we anger Harry Ried

I mean…Come on

But what do I know…I’m just wining….don’t know how to do anything except attack Republicans…and it’s easier to complain than to do anything about it…

This is why I hardly post any more because telling the truth is whining…and subversive to the all important party line

PPPPFFFFFTTT!

AceInTX

But we don’t do that…we react to the meanies in the Democrat Party and the press…we help them along by doing what they want us to do to prove we’re not the party of no…and we get attacked for being obstructionist anyway…

and what’s so Damned frustrating in this…is….it’s not so bad we get burned once in a while and learn our lesson….it’s that we constantly and consistently do it over and over again.

Ohh…and for all you clowns that want to attack me for trying to kill turnout and GOTV efforts with my criticism….please tell me how constantly promising one thing…only to deliver another because we’re worried about what a hostile press and our Mortal Enemies represented by the Democrat Party say about us helps encourage enthusiasm and turnout?

AceInTX

Thus the term “Moderates and Independents” becomes a monolithic group of ignorant automatons that needs to be pandered to rather than a group of people capable of intelligent thought, common sense and open to an appeal to their reason and common sense…

That coupled with a lazy population of politicians that don’t want to do the heavy lifting in educating and selling the electorate on the superior ideas and principles represented by the vast and comprehensive ideology that conservatism represents…

acat

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paxcat

Justice Roberts preserved the Constitution and the Court’s actual job – which is not to determine “good” vs “bad” laws but to uphold the right of Congress to tax. It is OUR job to make sure the law makers we elect pass “good” laws and not “bad” laws. Medicare works exactly the same way as Obamacare – it makes everyone buy it in one form or another and it PENALIZES participants who don’t conform! Where were all of you yelling and screaming about that? What SCOTUS did do is call a “tax” a “tax” thereby outing those lawmakers who said “it isn’t a tax” and Obama who said the same thing! Words mean things, and for too long we’ve let people get away with labeling things differently than what they actually are! So, get mad and elect good lawmakers who actually can tell the difference between “good” and “bad” laws!

Viet71

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cbartlett

Appreciate the support for Ted Cruz! The Dewhurst machine is already getting started and I think they are getting media support. No liberal Demoncrat stands a chance here so a RINO Republican is the next best thing. Ted will be one of the speakers at the FreedomWorks 2012 FreePAC in the American Airlines Center (Dallas) get-together on July 26th. Bought my ticket this week. Event is selling out pretty fast. Sure hope Ted will get some media coverage from this. Run-off election early voting is all that week and actual election day is Tues, 31st. It’s really hard to get turnout for a runoff – especially in the summer. Sure hope the grassroots efforts work for this one – this is huge!

giatny

Forget about attacking Corker. He is one
of very few Republicans who can speak
intelligently about the issues and understands economics. The far right
that believes there is a way out of this
morass without higher revenues is
simply WRONG. Besides, I live in TN
and there is no way he is going to lose.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

He needs to go.

We can do a lot better in Tennessee than Corker and Lamar!

earlgrey

seriously, I have heard the guy speak twice, and while I can say he is better than Alexander (although so would my 3 year old daughter telling a story about her latest boo boo), all that impressed. Do you work for his campaign or something? I live in TN too.

He cozied up with the dems on the finance reforms.

Yes. corker will win the R primary, but it won’t be with my vote.

If you vote in TN HD 45, consider voting Rogers over Maggart.

earlgrey

Zach Poskevich for US Senate http://www.zachforsenate.com/

I haven’t looked at him yet. He probably won’t win the primary, but I am not going to vote for Corker in the primary.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

or like me grew up in TN and still have family there. You’re the first I’ve heard actually say anything positive about Corker here at redstate or elsewhere. He votes with Lamar way too often, and people are getting fed up with both of them.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

It’s not like we’re the Mythical Outsiders.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

what with your super powers of banning, spotting retreads, and tech skills, not to mention the epic diaries. I am in awe.

Okay, that last line was a little too much, wasn’t it?

AceInTX

about how we are really really really going to repeal Obamacare this time while McConnel and the RMSP clowns do everything they can to make sure repeal never happens.

All I’m doing is pointing out the enemies of repeal in our midst Cat….and once again…You, Niel, and the usual suspects want to stick your head in the sand and act like they don’t exist.

acat

How dare you read my posts for all these years and accuse me of blowing sunshine?

Mew

AceInTX

tell ourselves the if we elect a Republican President and Senate…that this time it will really be different than every time before even when the elements I describe are out there openly telling us they will use their positions in leadership and as committee chairmen in Congress to prevent us from ever getting full repeal?

Isn’t that blowing sunshine….and isn’t that what you are doing instead of facing the reality and at least putting a little light on it to expose it?

acat

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acat

You’re clearly not reading what I’m writing, Ace.

I’ve said, repeatedly, that the purpose of electing Romney is to sign good bills, I don’t expect him to be any kind of conservative.

I’ve said, repeatedly, that we need to build a bonfire in the congress to hold Romney’s feet to.

I’ve said, repeatedly, that the only way we’re going to survive this is to elect conservatives to Congress.

You, on the other paw, won’t even go shoot down a Dewhurst supporters’ lies, leaving it up to people from Alabama, Michigan, and Illinois!

What the #Fail, Ace? It’s like you’ve given up!

Mew

acat

As for Luntz, just when has he been successful at selling a conservative position?

Mew

commonsenseobserver

But they are disorganised and scattered all over the place. Even Obama in 2008 had his little “blueprint for change”.

And, yes, we do need people to sell our policy proposals, and we need to use the right language. Which reminds me- why hasn’t anyone been consulting Frank Luntz?

commonsenseobserver

Fit them into a clear and coherent platform, manifesto, whatever. Then start selling them in a coordinated and convincing way. Throw in graphics, videos, etc. And back them up with solid numbers or experts’ advice.

Well, he has some focus group testing experience, of course.

AceInTX

You, on the other paw, won?t even go shoot down a Dewhurst supporters? lies, leaving it up to people from Alabama, Michigan, and Illinois!

I haven’t engaged in any Dewhurst/Cruz Threads because my time now is so limited with Work and Family that I don’t have time to follow 6 or 7 posts and destroy foolish people for the hell of it like I used to….

and it’s besides the point I made to start this thread….my point is holding our elected REPRESENTATIVES feet to the fire….that part of what you just wrote we are in 100% agreement on…..but I want to put the heat on the RMSP and the Tuesday Group because when….(I believe it’s inevitable we will win the House and Senate….and I’ll be damned surprised if we don’t take the White House)…anyway…WHEN we win both houses of Congress and the White House…..I want people to have their eyes on these vermin and be ready to turn their guns on them when they start reaching accross the isle and working in the shadows to defeat any repeal effort….

Is that so hard to figure out? Am I that far off base?

commonsenseobserver

Start by reaffirming the fundamental principles and vision of this party. Then depict the failure of Obama and the Democrats to live up to their promises, issue-by-issue, point-by-point, while contrasting our own policies from this.

From the right:

Canadian Conservative Party Election Platform, 2006

Common Sense Revolution, 1993 (Ontario PC Platform)

Conservative Party Manifesto, 1979 (Under Lady Thatcher)

Trying (unsuccessfully) to remove the “nasty party” image:

An Invitation to Join the Government of Britain, 2010 (Under David Cameron)

From the other side of the aisle:

Canadian Liberal Party Platform (Red Book), 1997

I can’t find the much more important and monumental 1993 Red Book, which contributed to the Liberals’ landslide victory.

All have different styles, but are examples of the kind of platform we would need.

commonsenseobserver

But you get my point…

AceInTX

He serves some purpose in showing how important it is to phrase things…but he also goes a long way down the road to deterring real debate by playing the game of…Americans want this and Americans want that….and candidates should avoid talking about this or that so they don’t anger voters…

I think we need to quit that foolishness…formulate a set of interdependent policy goals that include all three legs of the Conservative stool…and go out there and sell them to the public…..Make them goals that go right at the Democrats weaknesses and that play into the stereotypes that Americans hate so much about Democrats and drive the stake into their hearts…..

Lunts would say such a plan would be to divisive and turn of the all important moderates and independents…..to which I say…BS….because every time we’ve done what I’m advocating….we destroyed the Dems in 1980, 1994, and 2004

acat

There was an attempt at a second Contract With America… but on reading it I found a *lot* more weasel words than were in the original. I suspect that, if it had been focus-grouped at all, it was with registered voters, not likely ones.

The thing to remember about 1994 in general is .. we didn’t have much in the way of social media, so .. the Contract was a top-down thing, largely pushed on what we did (and do .. sorta) have, talk radio.

Mew

acat

It became kind of pathetic/funny …. but it could have used some authentic Texan.

You say you don’t have time for that now .. but you have time for whatever this is….I’m very confused about what point you’re trying for with this thread.

I haven’t seen a front page diary proposing to capitulate to the gutless D.C. establishment .. have you?

There have been a couple establishment types writing moderate-leaning diaries .. and usually ending up with either very few responses, or very *pointed* ones .. and sometimes both.

Mew

Flagstaff

And Herman Cain has revised ObamaDon’tCare by improving the grammar to ObamaDoesn’tCare.

I think we should adopt ObamaTax as the official RedState name for the AHCA.

commonsenseobserver

Well, it actually wasn’t that bad an *effort*, though a bit boring, and I think two-thirds or something of Americans didn’t even hear about that, and in any case, lots of promises were broken. They didn’t even try, and it wasn’t clear, coherent, and substantive enough to begin with. I don’t think that is a model.

I think the grassroots should be involved, of course. Didn’t we have some kind of website for Americans to contribute to the party platform some years ago? We could use that idea, though I think it invited lots of liberal trolls.

But our party platforms, even the Contract itself, have always been rather dull, which means there’s no way for them to appeal to a wide audience, even if we push them on social media and everywhere else. We need to change that. Give the base and the candidates something to stand and fight for.

commonsenseobserver

Whether it’s better for the national GOP to push it from a top-down level, or build it from the grassroots. The former would make promoting it far easier.

But we’ll have to use social media, traditional media, TV and everything to roll out concrete and coherent plans. Make sure Americans know Democrats are the real party, not only of “No”, but of “Nothing”.

acat

All sales boils down to sizzle vs. steak… and the CWA worked, in part, because of the sizzle, the potential .. the promise of real change.

The CWA worked, in part, because it was simple enough for anybody to understand.

The CWA worked, in part, because enough GOP Reps ran on it that it was possible to break Tip O’Neil’s Law – “All politics is local politics” – but unfortunately it wasn’t a permanent break.

Mew

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