Condi Rice for Veep? Bull Shiitake Mushrooms

dragan

Romney’s RINOS will be testing our resolve on how much we want Obama out. As it is, most of the conservatives are going to hold their nose and vote for Romney. With this kind of VP choice, it will “PURELY” boil down to how desperate we are to get the clown in the white house out than on how much we like our ticket. Wow !!

JSobieski

Condi would be a terrible pick… yet another person running on their Bio/resume

tnfriendofcoal101368

rinse and repeat. Romney isn’t going to risk Southern evangelicals puking and staying home. Mildly pro-choice still equals pro abortion in my Sunday school class – I can make sure by taking a survey but I bet I am right. Romney is lots of things, stupid isn’t one of them.

GopTiger

I would argue that the single best thing Romney could do between now and Election Day is make sure that everyone understands that his election would not be W’s third term. If he can convince the majority of voters that his presidency will be signficantly differently than what we have gotten for the last EIGHT YEARS, then Romney will win.

How does picking any of the former Bushies-Portman or Rice-help with that?

tnfriendofcoal101368

“I don’t want the current law changed.”

carolina

This has always been the plan (as I have posted here before)
Because of BO I think these folks are ready to “double down” on this long planned team.
None of the other veep candidates have the foreign policy/national security credentials Condi has (which was also part of the plan).
It will be a miracle if Romney runs with anyone else.
Miracles can happen, but they are pretty darn rare.

RealQuiet

And apparently Romney wants someone comfortable in “Attack dog” mode. Christie and Jindal would fit that bill. Rubio, Ryan, Portman and Pawlenty I can’t see them fitting that role.

bk

If it’s her, it’ll be because Romney needs a token black woman even though he hates both blacks and women, and proof that he wants to go back to the failed policies of the past.

If it’s not her, it’ll be an insult to all black voters that he’d dangle out the name of a highly qualified black woman and then toss her under the bus after he was done toying with her.

That’s what I’d expect to hear from the MSM anyway.

tnfriendofcoal101368

He had to learn toughness when Obama made him out to be spawn of Satan. Well, he probably already was shoe leather;Obama lies just made him expose it. Here he is doing the impossible – shutting up Debbie Wah Wah.

checkmate2012

I hope Erick is right in that this was not a serious rumor. We don’t know who she is and she seems Republican-lite. Levin said she wouldn’t say who she was going to vote for in July 2008. Not a good sign of conservative values regardless of squishy McCain.

I trust the opinions of Rumsfield and Cheney on national security issues over her limited experience and decisions.

And I’ll go the record that we are desperate need of a man in the Secretary of State position. It’s not a sexist remark, I’m female, but a woman isn’t taken seriously in most parts of the world, Just an unfortuante fact that is jeopardizing our negotiations, especially in the unsettled Middle East.

No Condi PLEASE!

GopTiger

After floating names like Rice, Rubio, Christie, and Jindal, wouldn’t picking a Pawlenty or a Portman almost feel like a “kick in the gut”?

poorwilber

The very thought makes me want to hurl all over my keyboard.

This has to be a scheme Axelrod cooked up to sink Romney like an aircraft carrier.

rightlane1111

Swing State, Conservative and no push over…look at his race with Crist…or any of his races for that matter..ALL WON.

Romney needs to makes friends with the South. They don’t like him down here…they would just as soon stay home…even though they HATE Obama. They see the USA as being lost anyway and the fight as gone out of them.

Now that Obama has closed the border stations…the legalized Latinos will go with Rubio…Besides…he really does have a “Conservative” immigration plan if anyone would publicize it.

tankertodd

It’s just so cynical to play the politics of identity and select a female black. Really? This is the best we can do? Isn’t it time to end the practice of choosing what people are and start choosing what people do and can do? Isn’t it time for the adults to take over and fix the Republic before it’s too late?

Not loving it.

checkmate2012

lines very well. Do you really think Romney hates blacks and women or was that you projecting the MSM? Just asking how you really feel.

tdwatts Watts

I don’t want to see Romney pick one of the old, rich, white guys generally mentioned.. There are sufficiently qualified people that don’t fit that mold.

bk

checkmate2012

Romney’s speech at the NAACLP conference. Had he not gone to speak there, he would’ve been called a coward and a racist. But O can blow off his biggest constituents and, yawn, oh well.

Did you see the empty seat pic at Breitbart during Biden’s speech? Awesome. But I don’t know if was full for Romney’s speech. Does anyone know?

jimmyg

nt

westcoastpatriette

Jindal, DeMint, West. My super picks.

Darin_H

Competent. Experienced.

jude68

Listen this campaign will have more misinformation than you can shake a stick at. Quite frankly I like the idea of floating the idea and it will change the topic. Romney knows that Condi has a lot of Bush Luggage but remember he also knows that he does not want to have to defend Bush and Condi would be dogged by that constantly.

She is a smart woman but she is not the best candidate for Romney but she is a great topic and news story and I think that is smart.

Romney needs to pick someone that has had SUCCESSFUL record in spite of Obama and can clearly demonstrate conservative principles with CONVICTION!!

Condi I think angles maybe for the single female vote but that would not offset her negatives with Bush, abortion and affirmative action. She would be a big distraction.

Years ago Rush felt Jindal would down the road figure very large in the GOP and Conservative movement. He is a minority as well and has GREAT CONSERVATIVE CREDENTIALS!! Plus he has really come into to his own on policy and HE KNOWS HIS STUFF!!

I also like Ryan who I think is another very interesting pick and can speak well and has passion! He has great credentials.

Walker would be great as well but I think he may be tired from what he has gone through the last two years!!

BUT WE HAVE A GREAT BENCH OF CONSERVATIVES….Rice is a floater story!

CincoSolas_del_Bronx

To whom else would the favored Lady reveal the desires of her heart?

throwback59

I hope to be one myself some day.

Mr. Sandman

1. Horrible Secretary of State
2. Pro Death
3. Pro Amnesty
4. Direct link to the Bush administration

Conservative voters would leave Romney in droves; if Mitt’s seriously considering this uberRINO, we’ll have four more years of Obama. Go ahead, throw out your but, but, but’s…if this is what we have to look forward to, we might as well take the bullet to the head as opposed to death by a million paper cuts. Totally pathetic, if she’s the choice, Sandman’s family may well sit out in November and hope the GOP gets the message. Complete lunacy…I’m sick of this stupidity…it’s time for Romney to #2 or get off the pot.

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

nt

Darin_H

His 68% HFA Score isn’t great (even though he was in a swing district, now running in another one). DeMint would be fantastic though.

http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

and a few snippets here and there (mostly postmodern drivel) about social issues, do we know much of anything about her views? What does she think about Obamacare? How about entitlements? The deficit? She’s been pretty much a one-dimensional entity on the political scene. Would Condi as a VP choice be some sort of Manchurican candidate that Romney can fill with his talking points?

Choosing her as his runningmate would just reinforce the idea that Romney is a content-free candidate.

Finrod

But I think she reaffirmed within the last month or so that she has no interest in running for election for any office.

Compared to Hillary Clinton, Warren Christopher, Colin Powell or Madeleine Albright, Condi was a great Secretary of State, and she’s the only member of the Bush Administration that still has an approval rating that’s not underwater.

tdwatts Watts

By the left’s definition I’m already there (if early 40s is old).

I’d like to be idealistic and say those things don’t matter, but… my pragmatic side says otherwise.

Fred Thompson is one I could rally behind, but I don’t think there’s enough fight left in that dog.

ctredstater

Condi as VP selection. Not a conservative. Mixed record as SS. Bush, Bush, Bush.

This as a distraction. Romney is doing a great job making Obama to being the man-child he is. I love the “we expect better from a President’ stuff. This to me is Mickey Mouse.

Governor Romney did great at NAALCP. He should let that vibrate. the Bain stuff just makes the Obamians look like the desperate, lying Marxists they are.

http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

2008 was his last shot, and apparently almost nobody in SC voted for him, so he dropped out before super Tuesday. He would have been a better pick for McMilquetoast for VP. Fred has given up elected office and is running the country from his power broker positions now.

I personally voted for him on super Tuesday, even though he had officially withdrawn from the race. I always vote my convictions in the primary, and was that close to writing in Jim DeMint in this year’s primary.

http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

it was posted here on redstate in weeks past, where Rubio was giving a speech from the floor of the Senate and was interrupted by John Kerry. Rubio took Kerry off at the knees without breaking a sweat, so I would say that Marco would make a great pit bull vp for Romney.

http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

but, then again, he _IS_ a PR man: you can’t sink those guys.

ctredstater

I have been a fan of Bobby Jindall for years. But he does tend to go on these statistical dirges – and my eyes get a little glassy.

I believe Rubio has been hurt by a whispering campaign by people who fear him as a great pick.

I am leaning more towards Ryan – making this not just an “ABO” election, but an election about the next 20 years – restoring America. Ryan also might help with the midwest. One of those states and we are in great shape.

My main request to Governor Romney “Do No Harm” (i.e. please pick someone from the “Republican Wing of the Republican Party”.

mikeymike143

dont get me wrong, we tea partiers will still all vote for romney over obama. no matter who romney picks as VP.

but if mitt wants an enthusiastic tea party base to work tirelessly for his election, instead of just concentrating on electing conservatives in congressional races, then he needs to pick a TRUE CONSERVATIVE like jim demint or allen west.

thebadpiper

names Condelizza Rice as VP running mate. DO NOT underestimate the stupidly of the Romney Campaign. I happen to admire and respect Condi Rice very much. I think she is a brilliant, accomplished and capable person. She is also very closely associated with George W. Bush and his very unpopular wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Barak Obama was elected President as much because he was not George W. Bush as because he was Barak Obama. Because of her association with Bush, Rice is damaged goods politically. Romney has enough political weaknesses of his own without saddling himself with a Vice President that would let Barack Obama run against George W Bush again in 2012. I would hope that the Romney campaign is not that stupid. But, based upon its miserable performance so far, I am not confident.

partyof1

If it’s Condi, then MR just proves he has no brain whatsoever.

Rusty_S

Specifically, President Obama’s lack of it, and the results thereof. Selecting anyone apart from a Governor undermines that.

But, let’s stay realistic and not overthink the importance of the VP selection on the election. Obama won with Joe Biden on the ticket, enough said.

We need first of all someone highly qualified to run the country, if needed. Beyond that, as far as the election goes, it would be good enough to me just to have someone that it will be difficult for the media to Quayle.

JSobieski

2012 Obama has been President for more than 3 years—3 years of the toughest executive job that there is.

The focus of the campaign should be on avoiding the fate of Greece, not any personal characteristic of the candidates (which would play into Obama’s strengths anyway).

AceInTX

Condi ensures evangelicals…who are already skeptical of Romney’s commitment to the movement…will stay home in disgust in November.

Rice would seal Romney’s Doom….I’m praying in earnest the Romney isn’t this STUPID….

I’ve been thinking for a while that Romney needs to think this through because whoever he picks for VP will be the next heir apparent in 16 or 20….and a of Portman, Rice, or Pawlenty choice will set us up for the next 5 to 9 years with milk toast BORING at the top of the Republican hierarchy.

http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

Waiting in anticipation of Erick being righteously taken down hard by whatshisface.

Heh.

JSobieski

It would also be a sign that Romney has some courage and actually intends to tackle these problems . . . instead of just jump around them as he does on the stump.

littlehouse18

I’ve already heard from too many folks who are ‘this close’ to dropping Romney because he’s not conservative enough or they don’t trust him. The support he needs is hanging by a thread and if he picks a RINO he’ll lose them. I’m trying hard enough as it is to keep my enthusiasm up; a RINO Veep will be very disheartening.

Rusty_S

My point was that the results don’t show that.

Avoiding the fate of Greece is kind of specific to be the sole focus, but I agree the possibility of that fate is one of many things a successful executive can point to as to why we need to end this failed Presidency.

JSobieski

Better to say he has bad policies.

Despite the fact that Romney and Obama both want to make this election about biography and experience, we have to drag this debate to policy and keep it there.

Anything less is a big mistake in my view.

littlehouse18

So they can negatively spin it either way?

checkmate2012

Obama and his complete failure as CEO of the US? I don’t see how it’s possible. Romney has to place blame which is fair and square on O’s record. O had no experience to manage the country.

I agree not to call him a Socialist or talk about his family, but his record is on exhibit and that’s not personal. It’s objective proof of failure.

septembergurl

I see a double standard at work here. Let’s look at the facts, shall we?

Pro condi:

She enjoys a 66/24 approve/dis, a rating I think Obummer, Plugs or Romney would kill for.

There is no question of her fitness to assume the presidency, she has served as GWHB’s Russia expert on the NSC, as GWB’s NSA and Sec State during wartime.

She has extensive executive experience. Running a high level Cabinet post like State requires leadership and management skills– policy, personnel, budget, relations w/Congress etc. In addition she was appointed Provost of Stanford — handling the budget & administration. She came in w/a deficit, left w/a surplus.

She is disciplined, intelligent, hard-working — qualities Romney appreciates.

con:

She is not a conservative. I think she would be a good match, but not for Romney. He needs a conservative and a fighter, while she is more of a statesman.

I have to ask — why is it that Rob Portman, whose executive experience is limited to two sub-cabinet positions (Trade rep & OMB Director) and who is also an alumnus of the Bush admin, is somehow the frontrunner and Condi is anathema??

audax

Rick Perry for Veep!

runner12

will pick Rice, at least I hope they are not that stupid.

The Obama team, despite O being in office three years, has blamed everything but the sinking of the Titanic on Bush. The last thing Romney needs is to feed them a former Bush Secretary of State.

If he is smart, he will choose either Rubio, Jindal, or Ryan.

If he is brilliant, he will choose DeMint.

Any of those four would be a win/win for Romney and the country.

audax

Rick Perry for VP,a proven job creator (keeps government out of the way and taxes low) charismatic, Presidential, no OJT required…..

audax

Experienced, charismatic, a proven job creator (keeps taxes low and regulations light)…..no OJT required….Rick Perry for Veep.

littlehouse18

Romney can’t help but be impressed with him – he’s tremendously intelligent, with a fantastic recall of facts – and the two had great chemistry on the campaign trail. Paul will fill in the details of Romney’s rather general statements. He will also show just as much depth of knowledge about healthcare as he showed about general budget matters. People will finally begin to feel that we have a plan. And he’s no slouch on foreign affairs either, he just hasn’t had a lot of press in that area. Another plus is that he seems tall – a very shallow factor but nevertheless a factor.

Marco would be great for getting votes as well. Aside from his obvious rhetorical skills, he’s got a very genuine, down-to-earth personality.

aesthete

is that Romney is hardly a warhorse — when voters are making their decision, Romney and Obama will have spent the same amount of time as executives, and Obama’s experience will have been in a much more demanding office. Romney has no large advantage on this issue, and Obama could undoubtedly find dozens of Democrats from MA who would chime in and tell everybody about Romney’s rookie mistakes.

littlehouse18

Portman would surely invite the curse of Bush, and in a budgetary area, no less. Picking him would add fuel to the Obama anti-Bush campaign. He will lose us votes.

JSobieski

Where did I say not talk about his record?

Be the serious candidate talking about the cliff we are approaching—-and don’t let up.

That way, he will hopefully have a mandate to do something after winning.

audax

No better way to keep Red States red, move purple states red, and no OJT required. Rick understands we must keep taxes low, regulation light, take a meat axe to the budget, uphold the 2nd Amendment, is pro life…I could go on but you get the point. Rick Perry for Veep!

audax

Rick Perry, 10+ years of Executive Experience!

zachv

… experience does one need? Although, Romney’s management style might look for an executive VP.

aesthete

Potentially a worse one, because he did absolutely nothing to even recommend fiscal discipline as OMB Director. Lots of people ragged on Daniels when he was OMB Director, but Daniels actually wrote up good budgets, recommended conservative reform of entitlements, etc. Portman is just a hack who did what he was told. Honestly, I’d rather have Condi than Portman, though we can do better than either of them.

zachv

So they’ll vote for Obama if Romney picks someone along the lines of Condi? Tough choice for these conservative voters of yours.

littlehouse18

And besides, Romney’s got the executive experience.

Rick Perry is great, but he sadly will not be able to overcome that primary debate experience. Romney will not even consider counting on him in a debate. I don’t see him accepting the job either.

JSobieski

Portman is at least ideologically conservative, Condi is only tempermentally conservative.

audax

….Rick Perry! The RIGHT kind of Executive Experience!

gekster

who is consrvative enough for you who has a chance to win the Presidency.
You don’t like Romney, who else would win against Obama that you would vote for,

aesthete

nor Condi will be affecting policy at all, so it doesn’t really matter. Condi is marginally preferable to me because she is at least in the mold of a good appointee (i.e., professional and somewhat independent as a policymaker). Portman was just a “rah rah, go GOP” hack during its worst periods of fiscal profligacy.

JSobieski

nt

checkmate2012

comment that I was referring to, “not any personal characteristic of the candidates (which would play into Obama?s strengths anyway).”

To me it’s all on the table and you’re right that we’re quickly approaching Greece. To think they only have about 10M and our country in 300+M, it won’t be pretty if/when it all falls here.

Romney has to make it a moral issue and his website states that as a banner. I keep getting an error msg when I click on, “Make a Suggestion”, my pick for VP as my cause for a suggestion.

aesthete

Portman isn’t ideological.

He’s a partisan hack.

An ideological conservative would have worked to stem the tide of un-conservative garbage flowing from the GOP. Probably wouldn’t have succeeded (see DeMint, Jim), but he would have tried. Portman didn’t try at all.

Partisan hack < non-ideological bureaucrat < ideological conservative

JSobieski

So the more Obama can have voters focus on anything besides the issues, his cause is advanced.

tnfriendofcoal101368

but in my memorable lifetime (since 1980), I have guessed exactly one correctly – the first one. Missed everyone since; before we sell Romney down the river, proclaim the sky is falling, and start applying for Canadian visas shouldn’t we wait to see who Romney chooses?

Oh and VP’s are just like dissenting opinions to Supreme Court decisions, not worth a warm bucket of urine unless you know the top guy kicks the bucket. By definition, the VP’s only job is to be President if the guy at the top of the ticket dies.

JSobieski

and won those elections.

Rice is barely a Republican. She has never put herself on the record as a conservative. She has purposely avoided ideology in a way that Portman as an elected official could not.

Portman still stinks as a choice, but Rice could end up being the Souter of VPs.

mikeymike143

checkmate2012

for all to diss. His family life is not. Romney is keeping the focus on the economy and I’m glad he put out the new ad that O is not telling the truth and can’t be trusted ad. I

Is that over the personal line in your opinion? His record during his presidency is fair game IMO.

I think it’s semantics as I almost always agree with you on issues.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Obama will be calling Condi “Bush’s underling” and “G W Rice” and doing EVERYTHING HE CAN to make the VP pick into a monumental blunder of bringing back BUSH.

And in a way Romney would be bringing back Bush upon himself, because Condi is a Harriet Miers type of pick. She’s not a fit for the job, even if she is a brilliant foreign policy expert and wonderful human being.

you are so right. If Romney is that stupid it will cost him dearly.

“If he is smart, he will choose either Rubio, Jindal, or Ryan.”

I agree with you 100%. The best pick of those 3 is the only one with executive branch political experience – JINDHAL.

Gov Jindhal is a perfect match for Romney in many ways. And as a conservative, Jindhal is a great match for the GOP base.

CincoSolas_del_Bronx

Reports are starting to come in of beautiful rays of ~~colored~~ multi-hued light converging over Arthur’s Seat. The hour of her annunciation draws nigh!

Or it’s that solar flare from a couple days ago.

audax

Your thoughts and comment appreciated. Thanks

audax

Rick Perry for VP!

audax

as much…

audax

not an Executive one. Rick Perry had 2 back surgeries that year and was on pain killers, and he didn’t complain about it or make it an excuse…but I am. Rick Perry has 10+ tears od Executive Experience in the fastest growing Big State in the country. He knows how to keep taxes low, regulation light, and is pro-life. All an all a much better Veep choice, ready to step in if anything happens to Romney…God forbid.

skip1982

Of course MSM will do that.

AceInTX

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BigRedConservative

Military leaders are universally popular, and Petraeus has a spotless record. He’s professional, well-qualified, erudite and balances the ticket in that he is the foreign policy expert to Romney’s fiscal “nous”. The only possible problem with this is that it pulls a top-notch general out of his much-needed office in the CIA.

Failing Petraeus, another strong foreign policy veep choice is John Bolton. The man refused to run for President this cycle (if he had, I would have unconditionally supported his bid), but I still feel that he would bring a touch of much-needed boldness and lunacy. And we could all do with a bit of lunacy now and then. He could act as a counterweight to the elite and out-of-touch Romney (no offence, Rombots) with his sardonic wit and his constant font of foreign-policy ideas (in particular, I agree with his insistence on recognition of the People’s Mujihadeen of Iran).

barleycorn

It won’t be Rice. For several reasons both political and ideological. So why are so many here so anxious to eviscerate a woman who was born into non-privilege , worked her way up the ladder, attained an outstanding education, became National Security Adviser and then Secretary of State serving as a Republican all the way?

And did I mention that she is also a single black woman which makes her a Three-fer in terms of groups the GOP would like to move (if only slightly) to the right?

Why are we wasting time talking down Condi Rice when there is ZERO chance she is the Veep choice? How does this help the cause of Conservatism?

Why are we pointlessly attacking and belittling a woman of such obvious talent ?

Given that no serious persons believe she will be the choice why are we handing the Democrats ammunition they can use against all Republicans?

“In those eight years at National Security and then at State, our relations with Russia deteriorated though she was an expert in that field.”

Really Erick? Its the fault of Condoleezza Rice that there is trouble between Russia and America? What a boneheaded comment.

Must we eat our own even when there is an ample supply of fat juicy liberals to eat instead?

yael

What about Gov. Sununu? He’s so good with the vast left wing conspiracy media!

commonsenseobserver

Which is a pity. He helped Bush 41 pass tax hikes too.

But Gov. Sununu certainly ought to be more visible. Replace incompetent (on TV only?) surrogates like Fehrnstrom and McConnell.

Gov. Jindal, Sen. Fred Thompson, Gov. Pawlenty, Sen. Kyl would be my choices.

http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

Petraeus is a total political unknown and he’s never been involved in politics.

Samsara

Erick wrote:
“But hey, this is a great way to get the conversation moving past the Bain Capital nonsense the Obama camp is pushing and get the focus back on Romney for his veep pick.

Well played in that regard. But really, we?re going to buy these rumors?”

I disagree, this was poorly played.

Drudge needs more traffic, so he throws out this rumor. As expected, right wing talkers take the bait and dump on one Condi. News outlets run the comments, which plays into Obama’s “war on women” talking point. It also and drives one more wedge in any already very disunited party.

Very poorly played.

Duke

he’s too stupid to be President.

celador2

Rice is pro abortion, and also was quoted in a yahoo news story as criticizing the GOP for not passing Comprehensive Immigration reform. Bush failed twice and went up against his own party who defeated the massive amnesty in McCain-Kennedy immigration reform.

Bush may have been pro life but Rice, daughters, mother and wife wer pro abortion. The girls even attended a gay wedding. Bush admin was not much different than McCain with his wife and daughter who make news by attacking the Republican party base on social issues.

If Rice is VP that liberal mantra will continue as media will exploit her differences wut the base. It is unacceptable to have her as VP

I dsagree with pres Bush that Arab Spring was a positive force in regional stabilty as it unsettled allies and peace in region regarding Camp David accords. Without Camp David settled we are all back in the stone age. I hear Rice also thinks Arab spring was positive for regional and global stability. That airy, dismissive attitude on Arab Spring is troubling.

This trial balloon has floated well which surprized me. Palin on Greta OTR has no objection to a pro abortion VP but prefers one who is pro life .Noonan thinks a black woman would motivate the electorate. Hannity is open but still adores a VP Rubio for the same reasons Noonan promotes Rice.

2012 may be the year Identity politics joined the Republican party to win. I don’t think so.

Romney trails Obama in MA so he needs a VP who can carry a state. Condi Rice will not carry CA or enough black votes to make a difference.

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disintelligentsia

If all he’s looking for in a VP choice is race and gender, I’d be happy with Janice Rogers Brown. She’d wipe the floor on anyone in a debate, make every conservative happy and tie the MSM in knots as they tried to paint her as a token.

disintelligentsia

I’d love to see Janice Rogers Brown as “President of the Senate” (the role of the VP) when patently unconstitutional laws are brought before that body. She’d take her role seriously there.

supdooder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fsG4jLBmrs

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Rep Ryan is a great guy and can defend himself his plan is great, … BUT … far too people are looking through this to see the Obama attack lines that will be laid.

Just as Clinton ran against Newt/Dole in 1996 and it made Dole a target for being a Congressional candidate, so too with Ryan in 2012.
Obama will run against Romney / Ryan by attacking the Ryan budget plan and make it a referendum on that. He’ll do it anyway, but with Ryan on the ticket it will come front and center and make it easier for obama to make this a ‘choice’ election rather than an election about ‘are you better off now’ and with the media helping the Dems in their attacks on GOP entitlement reform, it will be a political minus for Romney vs other choices for VP.

One reason I think Romney’s best choice would be Jindhal.

He gets a Governor, who can speak at length about the impositions of the Obama administration in Obamacare and elsewhere.

Rubio, Ryan, and Jindhal all could do the job as campaign sidekick, but only Jindhal has the exec branch experience.

tnfriendofcoal101368

Better that than some whisper campaign, the Obama Reign revealed it’s true colors, yesterday. They’ll attack us no matter what – might as well be attacked for something worth defending. I am not afraid of Obama and his Chicago thugs because (and there really is no getting around this), to be re-elected Obama has to defend his record (just like every incumbent before him), yesterday Stephanie Cutter admitted the Obama record is indefensible and they are desparate.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Rep Ryan is a great guy and can defend himself his plan is great, … BUT … far too people are looking through this to see the Obama attack lines that will be laid.

Just as Clinton ran against Newt/Dole in 1996 and it made Dole a target for being a Congressional candidate, so too with Ryan in 2012.
Obama will run against Romney / Ryan by attacking the Ryan budget plan and make it a referendum on that. He’ll do it anyway, but with Ryan on the ticket it will come front and center and make it easier for obama to make this a ‘choice’ election rather than an election about ‘are you better off now’ and with the media helping the Dems in their attacks on GOP entitlement reform, it will be a political minus for Romney vs other choices for VP.

One reason I think Romney’s best choice would be Jindhal.

gekster

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Of course Ryan can defend himself, it’s one reason why he’s being considered.

But the fact that it becomes topic A in the campaign will help Obama, that’s my point. The opportunity to turn the election from a referendum on Obama’s performance into a referendum on GOP entitlement “cuts” helps Obama in the margin. Maybe we can win that debate but its an easier debate if the topic is:
“Is America better off after 4 years of Obama?”

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

highlight the evil of the Dem’s class and racial warfare as relates to the economy, imho.

acat

I’d love to see veep-candidate Jindal. I’m a little concerned that the GOP roots in Louisiana aren’t deep enough yet, but .. he’s great on energy, health care, and education… and could take over for Romney in a heartbeat.

The problem is .. Jindal’s a governor, not a legislator, and I expect Romney to pick the latter, not the former.

As for Ryan .. what is Obama going to attack him on? Further, remember that the Ryan Roadmap came out of left field, and changed the game significantly. When’s the last time a relatively unknown Rep had that large an effect? Has Portman had that much impact? Has Rand Paul?

Further, either Ryan or Pawlenty bring the northwoods – Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan – further into play. Multiple States, but a relatively consistent culture that’s already breaking toward Romney. Selecting either would let Romney speak much more effectively there. (yes Romney grew up in Michigan but he’s been gone for a long time…)

Selecting Ryan has another benefit – it forces Obama and the Dems to spend even more money in Wisconsin, among the Dems embittered and splintered by the Walker recall fiasco. Every dollar spent there can’t be spent in another State… and bleeding the Dems is a very useful thing.

Mew

acat

That sure looks like what Romney’s running on … and Ryan reinforces this in a very major way.

Mew

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

on the margins and as per other issues that relate to same, I see Ryan and Condi as huge positives, with there being only a slight risk that Ryan’s specific plan would be a distraction. This whole VP debate is, for me, in the context of puniness, which is why I like Condi due to her impact on the Dems’ race and class narrative. She destroys their narrative.

acat

Gov. Martinez or Gov. Jindal or Sen. Rubio also nuke the narrative … Rep. West or former Rep. Watts also crush the narrative … and all do so without dragging all the Bush baggage back into play, eh?

The better question, Counselor, is whether Condi could win in 2020, having *never* run for office. I’d rather not repeat Bush 1.0, eh?

I like Condi and would be happy to see her return to D.C., she’d be tremendous at several agencies .. but veep? Nah.

Mew

tnfriendofcoal101368

I am not afraid of Obama and his Chicago thugs because (and there really is no getting around this), to be re-elected Obama has to defend his record (just like every incumbent before him), yesterday Stephanie Cutter admitted the Obama record is indefensible and they are desparate.

You assume that Obama gets the option of his record being option B; he doesn’t. It doesn’t matter if the VP pick is Paul Ryan or Paul Bunyan, if the incumbent runs from or can’t defend his record; those mystical swing voters run him out of office.

Here are the elections in my lifetime from 7th grade forward.

1980 – Ronald Reagan vs Jimmy Carter (incumbent)
Swing Voters punish Jimmy Carter for Iran hostages and stagflation

1984 Ronald Reagan (incumbent) vs Walter Mondale
Swing Voters reward Ronald Reagan for being the greatest President of the 20th century

1988 George H.W. Bush (defacto incumbent) vs Michael Dukakis
Swing Voters reward George H.W. Bush for Ronald Reagan’s greatness and well for not being as stupid as Michael Dukakis

1992 George H.W. Bush (incumbent) vs. Bill Clinton
Swing Voters punish GHW Bush for lying to them on taxes in 1988 and the economic slow down those tax increases caused.

1996 Bill Clinton (incumbent) vs Bob Dole
Swing Voters reward Bill Clinton for being smart enough to steal success of first Republican congress in generations

2000 Al Gore (defacto incumbent) vs George W. Bush
Swing Voters forget about the economy because they have eaten pretty well for 6 years of Republican policies of reduced debt and taxes and increase growth and punish Al Gore because Bill Clinton never met a skirt he wouldn’t chase.

2004 George W Bush (incumbent) vs John Kerry
Voters still eating pretty well, reward GW Bush for steering the country through 9/11.

2008 Barack Obama vs John McCain (defacto incumbent)
Voters punish John McCain for hiding from Bush record.

The voters always hire and fire an incumbent or defacto incumbent based on a narrow set of issues important to the voters. The incumbent never gets the option to shape the debate whether it is the economy as in 1980 and 1992 or social issues as in 1988 and 2000 or a war as in 2004; the voters decide what they want the candidates to talk about not the candidates (especially not the incumbent). The voters want 2012 to be about the economy and their fears so vis a vis his record to quote Joe Louis, Barack Obama “can run but he can’t hide”.

acat

It’s Jindal.

No h.

Bobby J would be a great veep and tremendous 2020 candidate in his own right. His post-Deepwater-Horizon media, IMO, shows a guy who has learned from his prior poor SOTU response.

I don’t think Romney will pick Jindal .. in part because I like him.

Mew

JSobieski

regardless of who wins.

We need to have a public mandate in favor of a solution, or the solution is NOT going to be implemented.

Having a debt plan be Topic A is an advantage (not a detriment) if we are serious about addressing the problem.

If we aren’t serious about addressing the problem, we shouldn’t waste our time on RS.

BigRedConservative

Indeed, VPs who meddle in politics tend to be loathed (Cheney) – rightly so or not is debatable. Vice Presidents are chosen to a) shore up particular voter bases b) counterpoint a particular weakness of a President and c) be a likeable and respected personality. Positions aren’t that important; we can presume from his record that he isn’t some bleeding-heart liberal, which is good enough for me.

acat

Is Plugs Biden political? He was chosen for political reasons – to give Obama a (hair transplant) veneer of foreign policy gravitas.

Was Gore political? Mr. Global Warming?

Get serious.

Mew

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Ouch! I resemble that remark.

There must be one of the those long German words for anticipating disappointment from the squish RINO candidate that you will walk over broken glass for because the other guy on the Dem side is a crypto-marxist clown.

yeah, there are 3 southern govs who would be better President in my book than Romney – Jindal, Barbour, Perry. They should be the short list, but, alas…

We shall see.

http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

Petraeus is a completely unknown quantity. And if you think positions aren’t important you belong in the Idiot Hall of Fame.

Vice Presidents are the people who fight hard and fight dirty when necessary in the political arena. Their major use is political and he’s never functioned in the political environment, at least in a public political environment.

Petraeus might – MIGHT – be useful in a number of posts including his current, we don’t even have a good way to make that judgment. He would be a huge liability as a VP candidate.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Win the election and a Republican Congress and President will pass the Ryan plan, or similar plan, that the House already passed, irrespective of who is the VP pick. Obama wont.

One may reasonably argue that we need Ryan in the House to help make that happen in 2013. The Ryan plan BTW is more moderate than the RSC budget or what Sen Rand Paul was pushing.

“We need to have a public mandate in favor of a solution”
Romney supports Ryan plan. His win will be the mandate.

This topic will come up. I just happen to think that just as Dole was a target for Congressional action in 1996, a Congressional candidate on the ticket will be a target for similar campaign attacks. It wont change the substance of what the election decides, but Obama will predictably roll out his anti-Congress attack lines. My concern is soley with campaign atmospherics.

“If we aren?t serious about addressing the problem”
I think Congressional GOP failure to go to the mat in April and Aug 2011 on the debt, and Obama’s refusal to bend on that, speak much about seriousness and lack thereof. The apprpriators’ appetite is the risk, not who is on the VP ticket. Romney/Jindal or Romney/Perry will be as aggressive on entitlements as Romney/Ryan.

We dont have to be afraid of the debate, but we need to realize that ‘its the economy, stupid’ is where the campaign should be.

runner12

I cannot think of a better VP than DeMint. My only concern would be the loss we would have in the Senate with him as VP. I think for this reason DeMint might turn down the offer if made. He is committed to turning the tide in the Senate towards Conservatism.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

may recall.

red_oakster

Condi Rice’s main initiatives during her years at State were to oppose the surge in Iraq and appease North Korea.

She was angling for veep in 08 and is doing it again. I like many conservatives will hold my nose and vote for Romney, but this is disappointing

red_oakster

Bad on Iraq, really bad on North Korea, pro-abortion, no economic policy chops. What you need to worry about however is that she has been campaigning for the veep spot since 2008.

She would be a disaster.

Btw acat, I agree with you about Ryan. He would help make the election about the economy and Obamacare.

red_oakster

and tried to get Bush to give up. No thanks!

red_oakster

It’s an act of idiocy

aesthete

acat

Frustrating, isn’t it .. to know the disappointment is coming from but not where it’s gonna hit…

Mew

wintermute

i still think its going to be paul ryan.

tnfriendofcoal101368

and Barack Obama wants a larger percentage of your paycheck for kickbacks to his donors, the VP pick won’t be squishy on Israel or mildly pro choice.

funwithknives

thanks for the vid.

They normally put me under , but this one most assuredly did not.

He really is sumthin’ to see…..

gekster

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

lets just see what happens because all our carping will not change who he picks.

Whoever it is he will have his reasons.

JSobieski

If Romney doesn’t make it a big campaign issue? How many R Senators supported SS reform under W?

A win is not enough this time

PowerToThePeople

but disagree with the importance of the VP. The most glaring possibility is the one you mentioned, if the president dies or becomes unable to perform his or her duties. While this is rare, it is a possibility and one that may become a possible threat considering how violent the left is becoming.

Another is policy pushing. While the VP usually pushes mainly the presidents positions, this is not the case 100% of the time. They travel around the country and do make it clear what they believe. It is tough to have a pro life at the top and a pro abortion second and those very different beliefs will clash either in public or in private.

Last, the VP is the closest to the presidents ear. They are not the final decision, but they do have a part in the process leading up to the decision. Considering the genocide of our young, we must have someone who is pro life backing up the pro life policy of the president.

It is just bad form and a bad decision to put someone in 2nd command who favors the murder of our young when there are so many extremely qualified people out there who believe in the sanctity of life.

tnfriendofcoal101368

because I don’t think there is any way in he double hockey sticks, Romney is going to do that. He’s not going pro choice…the Condibots can just give up their hopes and dreams. That’s what I meant, there were people to quote REM preaching “this is the end of the world as we know it”.

PowerToThePeople

we have no clue and I also agree that Romney is not stupid enough to put a pro abortion person up as his VP. You are 100% right about that.

Just wanted to make sure people recognize that while the VP is no where near as significant as the president, they do play a big role in the administration so we need to be careful who we want in that position.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

instertee

littlehouse18

But it’s too late. We’ll be seeing loads of video of him forgetting which departments he wants to cut. And ‘oops’.

littlehouse18

I’m in it for Mitt all the way as I hold my nose. I’ve had a hard time convincing others though.

poorwilber

Why the establishment always forsakes the base for a few moderate independents has always been a mystery to me. Everytime they do it, they loose epically.

Should Mr. Romney choose a moderate VP, and some how pull off a marginal win….I do believe the base will finally coalesce around a third party in 2016….if not attempt to primary the incumbent. The GOP has to decide whether it will continue to be a Democrat-lite party, or a conservative party.

superpatriot

…will not be Romney’s VP candidate.

http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

nt

otis1

I did not want Romney as my first pick to defeat Barack O’Stalin,but he will defeat him badly,AND HE IS GETTING BETTER BY THE DAY? So we need to focus on getting enough TEA PARTY people in CONGRESS to send SOCIALISM PACKING ON BEHALF OF OUR CHILDREN AND THEIRS.

I am sure you agree with me gekster???

gekster

and my friends use a smal g.

gekster

but the blatent use of caps is anoying.
And still no link to the radio show you claim to be on.
I callled the # you gave, and they there don’t have a clue.
Are you Ohio or Florida.
Did you give a wrong #.

otis1

And now you look like the stupidly LIBERALS you are,and you seem to flying solo GEEKER???

gekster

Your on a show, how hard is it to give a link to that particular show.
I want to call in, but you keep evading.
What’s up.

troublingtimes

I agree, and I just don’t see this happening. But it’s rather fun to watch the media get distracted!

This is my first time posting. Is there a way to track comments?

gekster

If you click on ‘my profile’ it will go to your recent comments,
and a # will be after your various comments showing any replies to your comments.
If you click on it now,
your comment I am replying to should have a (1)

westcoastpatriette

this is one feature that doesn’t always work as sometimes your profile doesn’t record comments. Others have made the same observation. So, just a warning to not always trust when it says 0 comments.

gekster

I thought is was just a glich with mine.

troublingtimes

By George (not meaning Bush), I think I’ve got it!

troublingtimes

If accurate, her spokesperson told ABC News (I think yesterday) that all her previous comments on not wanting the job stand.

NOW if she took the job, she would seem the most reluctant VP ever. Yes, some of them say they don’t want the VP job early on and eventually take it…but when she is in the headlines like this as the frontrunner and it’s so close to Romney choosing, it would just be weird for her to take it after her continual disinterest. I really, truly believe she does NOT want to be VP.

mikeymike143

condi is the one pick that is guaranteed to absolutely alienate conservatives, tea partiers, and evangelicals in one fell swoop.

jim demint, allen west, susana martinez. these are choices that would excite the base.

ffc99

with a voting record worse than Bob Corker and Rob Portman?

ffc99

have you ever looked at West’s voting record? Did you know he scored a 69 from Heritage and a 64 from Club for Growth? As I mentioned above, those numbers make Portman and Corker look conservative by comparison.

mikeymike143

thats fine, we need a buffoon on this site to play with.

ffc99

you haven’t looked at his record. Allen West may make nice speeches to the Tea Party of Fort Lauderdale, but when in DC, he votes like a moderate Republican.

acat

And here you are, complaining about how West’s record does reflect his moderate district…

Fancy that.

Mew

mikeymike143

his lack of consistancy is caused by his lack of character.

ffc99

I’ve said nothing about West’s record wrt his district. I’ve questioned mikeymike about his assertion that West is a “true conservative”. Rep. Walsh represents a tossup district yet votes like a true conservative. Rep. West, well he votes like a squish.

Wow, I’ve really gotten under your skin, acat. You’re not used to being proven wrong here (as I’ve done regularly), as you usually go after the low hanging fruit.

ffc99

with your willingness to shill for a Congressman who sacrifices his principles to vote like a moderate so he can get re-elected.

Cheshire cat grin (in honor of acat).

ffc99

nt

mikeymike143

as i said before, comparing you to acat is like comparing a smelly pile of dung to a solid gold bar. HINT: acat is the gold bar.

ffc99

but what do you have to say about Rep. West’s voting record (which is worse than Portman, Corker, Black, etc.)? You seem to be avoiding that question. How can you justify calling him a true conservative?

acat

both who deliver forceful conservative speeches… but you have nice things to say about Judy Biggert, another Illinois GOPer.

Walsh has the votes to match his record, and you insist he’s going to lose to perennial pity candidate Duckworth “because his votes aren’t aligned with his district”.

West votes in line with his district, but gives solid speeches, and you say he’s not a conservative.

Biggert has an adequate, at best, record .. both in speeches and in votes… and you say good things about her.

You’re a puzzle, ffc99…

Mew

ffc99

Walsh will lose because he’s made a fool of himself and voted in a manner completely unrepresentative of his district.

I’ve said nothing positive about Judy Biggert. Unless saying she’s going to face a very difficult race this year is something positive.

As for West, my point was simply that Mikeymike lambasts member of congress who don’t toe the conservative line. Rep. West doesn’t. Yet Mikeymike wants him to be the VP choice. As for me, I understand why he votes the way he does. He likes his job and wants to keep it. But that rationale usually doesn’t work for tea party folk like mike.

Keep trying acat. You’re making a fool of yourself.

PowerToThePeople

about West being a disappointment, but you are a joke thinking you get the best of ACAT or that you got under his skin.

I have and will butt heads with ACAT, but he is quite the intelligent guy. You on the other hand have been a one trick pony and not much of that either.

acat

Just sayin’

Mew

ffc99

you can’t address the substance of my posts… My favorite is your assertion that I’ve ever said anything positive about the squish Judy Biggert. You know I’ve never done such a thing. Yet you accuse me in an effort to add credibility to your baseless attacks. Acat, go back to trolling the low hanging fruit of posters here. It’s where your talents are best served.

ffc99

unlike Mikeymike and acat you at least concede that Rep. West has been a disappointment. However, I’ll refrain from the insults you’ve seen fit to engage in You’re far too easy of a target.

acat

than an actual functioning conservative like Walsh “saying something positive”…. especially as you appear to have written Walsh off for calling out Duckworth for doing *exactly* what she’s doing.

As for West, if you read above, you’ll see that I indicated he’s voted in line with his district, although his speeches have been far more conservative.

I am, apparently, not as disappointed in the man trying to keep his bully pulpit and move his district to the right as you and PttP are. I’d rather West’s record look more like Walsh’s .. but I’m prepared to give West a little more time before dismissing him.

Mew

ffc99

you got me…I’ve said Biggert (big squish) has a better chance of winning reelection than Joe Walsh (conservative). Not sure what point you think you’re making with that.

As for West, well he’s been talking like a conservative and voting like a moderate (or RINO in mikeymike terms). Doesn’t bother me, but I’m still waiting for mikeymike (who is well known for calling out Republicans who stray off the reservation) to explain why we should forgive him for his apostasy. Frankly, I could care less about your opinion on this situation.

It’s clear (as illustrated by the fact you’ve responded to every post of mine here since our Walsh exchange) that I’ve gotten under your skin, acat. As I’ve said before, you should stick to attacking the low hanging fruit here, as there’s plenty of it. I’m out of your league.

PowerToThePeople

this target if I stopped and waited for you.

But you are more than welcome to try. Don’t be scared there FFC, I have seen you try to lob them at other posters. Let us not act pious, OK.

ffc99

Rep. West a conservative? Thoughts on his voting record? I’d love to get your insights (mikeymike’s thoughts would be even more appreciated).

Filibuster Keaton

Clearly, a freshman Conservative has a better chance against a well funded opponent in an impossible district than a veteran Moderate has against an equally funded opponent in a swingier district. How silly of you for not telling us what we want to hear.

Romney gonna carry District of Columbia, y’all!

PowerToThePeople

West was the big hype coming in, promised a lot of things, and so far he has been a disappointment. He has a lower score than Lugar, and if he was in my district, I would hope a real conservative would run against him and I would vote against him if it happened.

RS

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