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Meet Bainers, the New Birthers

By: Erick Erickson (Diary)  |  July 13th, 2012 at 04:46 AM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

First, let’s dispense with the bull shiitake mushrooms. Condi Rice is not the veep pick. She served President Bush for 8 years, has never been elected, and is pro-abortion. It’s not happening. Likewise, much of the fawning the left does over Rice has more to do with her carefully portrayed image as a spoiller to Rumsfeld and Cheney than to her actual, though admittedly impressive, background.

I can’t be the only one to have gotten pretty strong denials from Team Romney about this. A friend of mine speculates that it was a trial balloon so when a less than stellar pick emerges everyone can say, “Well, at least it was not Condi.”

Now, on to more important matters.

The geniuses at Team Obama are showing their complete ignorance of private enterprise, the law, and the one well vetted part of Mitt Romney’s career — his tenure at Bain Capital.

It is well established that Mitt Romney left Bain to go salvage the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics. It is also well established that his name remained on some SEC documents. This stems from winding down his partnership interest in Bain Capital. It is a quirk in the law. It has been well vetted. Even FactCheck.org and the Washington Post are unpersuaded by Team Obama’s hyperbole.

Really? A felon? Hey! Let’s accuse Barack Obama of being a foreign born Muslim! There’s about the same validity to both. Meet the Bainers — they are the members of Team Obama demanding proof from Mitt Romney that he is a liar or a felon. Next they’ll ask when he stopped beating his wife.

The Bainers will not take any answer that does not show Romney to be a liar or felon in the same way Birthers will take no answer other than one that shows Barack Obama is not an American citizen. In fact, pointing this out on twitter today I was barraged from both sides that Obama has still never shown his real birth certificate and Mitt Romney has still not shown his tax returns.

That, in fact, is what this is all about. It’s just another attempt to get Mitt Romney to release his tax returns. Guy Benson has a pretty exhaustive look at this nonsense.

The Bainers will become as insufferable as the Birthers. The only difference is that the Bainers’ insufferable stupidity is at the heart of the Obama campaign while the Romney campaign has worked hard to not be tied to Birthers.

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  • debrajmsmith

    I guess I don’t get this article. I mean, the last thing we should do is silence people by shaming them out of bringing up issues that matter to them. Yes?

    Both of these issues matter to me. And there is nothing shameful about me wanting these issues to be seriously addressed.

    Debra…
    “Informing Christians” writer

  • http://redpillreport.net/ RedPillReport

    What’s not to get? If you can’t see through the filth and the smear of these unfounded accusations, you may be beyond help.

    The fact is…Barack Obama has nothing but failure on his record as President. Even his ‘successes’ are highly unpopular, and were pushed through using deceptive, Chicago-style tactics. Obama’s record is attrocious, and he absolutely can NOT run for re-election based on job performance.

    That’s why his shameless campaign strategy is to attack Mitt Romney using half-truth’s, innuendos, and outright lies. Obama and his army of thugs know that they have the MSM on their campaign team…so they are just hoping if they throw enough lies up against the wall, some of them will stick.

    I agree that there is nothing shameful about real issues being addressed. Just don’t be so foolish that you can’t see through the dishonest ‘non-issues!’

  • julianusrex

    about his place of birth and citizenship on his foreign passport applications and his school admission applications. How far back does his lying go? What is he hiding?

  • doctor13

    IF Condi Rice is picked as the VP, I may just stay home.. I’ve had enough of the Bushes – I don’t need another four years to remind me of Bush’s TARP, and he called Islam a religion of peace and tolerance AFTER 9/11 !.an Condi agreed.

  • atillathehun

    To all those who would diminish the validity of the obama being inelligible to be on any ballot in the country and to try and connect that dot with the absurdity of Romney being a felon, bad try.
    Even the communist Boston Globe has fact checked the foolisness of the felon status and continues to ignore hard evidence of the possibility of felon status of anyone adopting the social security number of an 1886 dead body.

  • Michael M. Keohane

    A social security number for a 1886 dead body? Since Social Security did not begin until the1930′s (close enough date for government work) why would a person who died in 1886 have a social Security number?

  • gravelyvoicejim

    The Bainers, as well as any and all of their accusations, will be given credibility by the mainstream meadia whereas the Birthers have been and will continue to be portrayed as “typical” conservative kooks.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

    Are you really serious that you’d stay home because of a Vice President pick? Really?

    Look, I’m no fan of Condi Rice, either. Nor am I a fan of Mitt Romney. I have not spoken or written a single word in favor of his election that rested on anything positive I think he brings to the table; I do not trust the man.

    But let me be clear about this: Barack Obama is The Destroyer. He exists to dismember the United States of America, to wreck her economy, to convert her institutions into a newer, somewhat muted version of Stalinism. I would literally vote for a blank on the ballot before I would cast a vote for him.

    Staying home constitutes casting a vote for him. So I will not do that. Neither should you… and especially not over a Vice President pick. VP is a do-nothing job.

  • funwithknives

    Call your local elections clerk , get an absentee and when it arrives , whip up a short barley pop and think this one through. You”ll be at home and *the atmosphere you create*, will do you some good.
    While you cogitate :

    *Think about 4 more years of this Poseur and ‘that’, which he has already shredded.

    *Think about our insanely locked-up banking systems and all the productivity just jumping to get out, and run free.

    *Think about ‘what could be’ and Want To Be a small part of it.

    Doctor? Heal ThySelf…………

  • salemst

    Erick is correct.

    This is an Obama campaign ploy to get Romney defending/explaining himself on outsourcing and his wealth moving the issues away from Obama’s abysmal economy

    I’m a self employed 32 year Executive Recruiter. I experienced first hand the massive offshore outsourcing that’s cost us 5 million corporate private sector jobs in the US while Corporate America also created roughly that many overseas to places like Bangalore and Hyderabd India for information technology and China for manufacturing. By this knowledge it’s clear with Romney winding down at Bain and off to the Olympics Romney would have missed the major Corporate offshoring push really kicking off in 2002.

    My point is Obama’s trying to make people despise Romney cause he’s wealthy–despite him doing so honestly. The people buying in oppose the American Dream of improving one’s life through hard work/achievement.

    IMO, Romney should simply ignore the calls for more tax returns showing his return for last year, and identify the 80% success rate companies like Staples going from one store in 1985 to 90,000 employees in 23 countries by 2010 showing jobs creation.

    The only questions that matter……”Are you better off today than 4 years ago” and “Do you think America’s on the right track or wrong track?” Those are the questions Romney should ceaselessly be asking, IMO

  • throwback59

    were describing this as a crises.
    I guess the Obama peeps are really desperate.

  • broken_yoke

    It’s the date of birth, not death, for the guy whose alleged to have been assigned BO’s SSN. I’m not a birther, but happened to read an article on it last week that pointed this out.

  • funwithknives

    to rest, so they fact switch , or avoid the truth of the matter, and keep on plugging.
    Who cares if it matters to them, if it is nothing but falsehoods?

    So why would a thinking conservative countenance this swill?
    In fact, why would a thinking American voter, be any different?

    I suppose in this day and age when relativism is so very rampant and seeps into virtually all facets of our lives, this ‘wonderment’ you express might appeal to a very few. I’ll just use a common term like ‘Naive’, and be polite.

    Read ‘The Little Blue Book’ or ‘Rules for Radicals’ and get back to me about *Shame and Progressives*.
    To them, The Truth is a variable thing and The Dialectic is everything. {see:Hegel}
    There IS Something Shameful In That, and keep in mind… it’s only a starting point.
    It only gets worse if you don’t call it out for what it is.

    Debra, not everyone is anywhere near the way you would wish them to be.
    Ever hear of The Ten Person Rule? Out of each group of Ten People you will ever meet :
    * Two, will like you
    *Two, will not
    *Six, just do not care.

    Keep looking for the good but if / when you find it, be surprised.
    It makes the day so much brighter………

  • drkruff

    First, denegrating “bainers and birthers” in the same sentence is nothing more than playing into the same Alinskyite strategy the left has been using for years. As you said yourself, the “Bain Capital” issue has been well vetted, and the Obama trick of saying they “can’t prove Romney didn’t do anything wrong,” is nothing more than obvious semantics. They can’t prove he DID either, but they use a double negative so people will assume that he must have done something wrong, but simply won’t admit it. That’s bunk, and thinking people know it.

    The so called birther issue is completely different but is an equally egregious trick of the left that has sucked in far too many conservatives as well. Believe what you want to believe, but at least face the questions honestly. Have YOU seen one tiny shred of proof that Obama is actually an American citizen, never mind eligible to be President? I’m not saying he isn’t, but where is the proof that every other president in our history had? Can YOU explain why the green coloring on what is supposed to be “safety paper” is actually a completely different layer that had to be added last? Can you scan your own birth certificate and move the dates and name and coloring all around? Can YOU explain why his selective service card has a 2 digit year stamp when no such stamp ever existed at that post office? Can YOU explain why Obama has spent nearly 2 million to keep his school and other identifying records hidden? Can YOU explain why his documents from the Indonesian school list him as a citizen of Indonesia–along with when he reclaimed his American citizenship? Can YOU explain why his assumed parents never lived together, never recorded an actual marriage document, and why he bears no resemblence whatever to his assumed father?

    Just try answering the questions. I’ll bet you can’t. So just like Pelosi who can only defend Obamacare by avoiding the quesitons, you and others who are willfully blind simply attack those who are asking the questions. How American is that? Either that or you repeat leftist talking points which remain with no evidence whatever to back them up.

    Whether it happens soon or years from now, I can tell you one thing. Unless people start facing the questions honestly and demand real answers, Obama will indeed go down in history for a game changer. The entire world will know that he had the money, the corrupt influence, and the mind control over the American people such that he virtually stole the WH, and none of those who could have stopped him were willing to listen. My heart breaks for the absolute ignorance of people who will not even ask a question of themselves as to why they accept such outrageous lies without the slightest blink. Of course, Hitler himself noted that the more outrageous the lie, the easier it is to get people to believe it. His point is decisively illustrated with Obama.

  • drkruff

    You are exactly correct. Those who denegrate the “birthers” have chosen to believe lies, although I don’t know why. Why would people who are otherwise dedicated American conservatives be unwilling to just ask the questions and expect an intelligent answer. But they aren’t. I guess they are so afraid that somewhere, somehow, Obama will come up with something that can’t be demonstrated to be a fraud, and they want to be on the side of those who say, “see we knew he was okay.” They may get their chance; the Arpaio team has said that Hawaii has obtained some 1961 safety paper and is working on creating a birth certificate that will resemble the one placed on the WH website. And ever fool out there will swallow it, hook, line and sinker.

  • drkruff

    You ask questions that no one in the country will answer except possibly Joe Arpaio. No judge, no politician, no media (not even FOX) will ask the questions, much less give the answers. Instead they take those who do ask the questions, such as the Sheriff, Joseph Farah of WMD, Jerome Corsi, Stephen Pidgeon, and a handful of others, and they try to shove these people aside and refer to them as nut jobs. When the truth comes out, as it will sooner or later, the whole country is going to be the laughing stock of the world; in fact, we already are. Most people just don’t know it. We can either look like fools now and try to correct our error, or we can wait and let history put the blame on us for allowing a man to become a dictator who was never even eligible to run in the first place. Do we really want to look our grandkids or great grandkids in the eye and have to say, “yes, you have no freedom now because we knowingly blinded ourselves and allowed a dictator to ruin your country. ” How can we live with ourselves, knowing that this is what we are doing?
  • drkruff

    People forget that the term “birther” came about when Democrats claimed McCain was not eligible because of being born in Panama. He proved that he was eligible, but the same scrutiny never applied to Obama. Why not?

    You may not consider yourself a “birther.” It’s not a name you give yourself. It’s a term the left and the blinded conservatives apply to anyone who wants even the tiniest shred of truth regarding Obama’s identity. They want the truth on Fast and Furious, supposedly on ACORN, on Obama’s attempts to get UN control dumped onto us—and these are all serious issues. But even though we have more unanswered questions about Obama than any president in our entire history, even most of the conservatives do not want those answers.

    The answers will be forthcoming whether they want them or not. America will look really foolish.

  • drkruff

    Do you want to know why those who seek the truth are regarded as “kooks”? It’s because they are asking questions that no one in the country will answer. The answers exist, but to reveal them would most likely mean Obama would have to leave the WH immediately. My own Congressman told me personally that for them to pursue the irregularities of Obama’s history, and to possibly have to acknowledge that he was never eligible would cause major chaos in the country and possibly in the world. They would much rather just denetrate all those who ask the questions by just marginalizing them and calling them names. That’s what we have come to in this country. Even the few honest poiticians we have are terrified of the truth.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    Lovin’ it when Erick powers up the ol’ Bug Zapper.

  • edintexas

    Don’t feed the troll. If you ignore them, they stay away. If you “feed” them, they come back.

    Single post on RS, with this sort of content, = troll.

  • Bill S

    It’s sort of a self-defining thing.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Look we all know Sununu is a RINO but man alive is he great television. The last couple of days, he has been the surrogate of choice to answer Bain attacks;he has liberal show host everywhere demanding to their producers “book anybody but Romney’s grumpy old man”.

    First the Governor laying the smack down on Andrea Mitchell (I am going to stop before I violate RedState language rules – Andrea Mitchell makes words come to mind best limited to DKos).

    Next the Governor smacks down Juan Williams and makes him like it….

  • livefreeordie2
    I was not a “birther” until I saw the birth certificate, I guess now that I have seen the evidence, and now that I don’t believe the lying POS in the white house, now I am a kook in the eyes of Eric.
    Interesting, seems like we eat our own, if you look down upon us kooks that support you and people like you, how about you throw us a bone and post something that actually proves where obama was born.
    Because the document posted on WH.gov is such an obvious forgery, it scares me to think why they would post it other than to stir crap up.
  • paco12348

    I could care less about how rich Romney is or where he keeps his money or anything else Obama’s people are throwing out there. Obama is a RICH man. Did he get it by WORKING or by just running his mouth and writing a fantasy book.
    Now Obama’s people are saying Romney is the MOST SECRETIVE candidate of all time. REALLY? Make a list of what you TRULY know about Obama before he became President. What were his grades at University? Where did he spend his formative years and learning what? Make a list. I dare all the Romney butt kickers out there to make a list and then see how secretive Obama is.
    Every time Obama runs his big mouth about rich against poor I want to stand up and should, “If rich people are so bad, then why haven’t you given your millions away so you won’t fit into that BAD group!”

  • UpLateAgain

    in the Bainer case, even cursory investigation provides satisfactory explanation. With the birthers, investigation just seems to lead to more and more questions.

    The posted birth certificate has been forensically shown to be phony (anyone, apparently, with even a cursory knowledge of Photoshop can disassemble it layer-by-layer and prove it was fabricated using Photoshop), and an Obama lawyer, Alexandra Hill, essentially admitted it was phony in open New Jersey court, implying it was so obviously doctored it was clearly posted to undermine Obama’s credibility by someone who wished to do so.

    The judge agreed, noting it doesn’t prove he wasn’t born here, and then acceding to the point that it was irrelevant anyway, as New Jersey law has no requirement that any candidate affirmatively prove citizenship.

    Indeed it doesn’t prove Obama wasn’t born here. It just proves the posted birth certificate is a phony….. but that leads, as I said, to another question: Why would he bother to post a phony birth certificate? Ms. Hill asserted he didn’t post it…. that a staffer either incompetently or with intention t undermine him did so……. which leads to another question: “Why then, does he not now post the ‘real” one (which, by the way, would be the third posting of proof of birth in the US….the first two having been shown to be inadequate or doctored)? To which he replies that he isn’t required to….. which, other than possibly from a political standpoint, is true.

    The point is that the birther question is thus far STILL not satisfactorily answered. It’s like Holder with F & F. Show the docs that are asked-for…. don’t just grouse that you’ve shown 7000 docs already (though they are mostly not the docs asked-for or are redacted to the point of uselessness) and claim that enough is enough.

  • rcatheart

    Look, I’m no Romney fan. I didn’t support him in the primary this year, nor 4 years ago. I think he’s a slimy politician and I don’t trust him.

    But then I realized:

    My biggest problem with Barack Obama is not that I disagree with him on policy issues. It’s a democracy – you win some, you lose some. My problem with Obama is that he is completely unqualified for the job of President, and does not appear to have engaged in any particular degree of on-the-job training over the past four years. He is totally incompetent, and time and time again demonstrates that he lacks the basic institutional knowledge and executive experience to successfully fulfill the role.

    I am not a Romney fan. It is unlikely that I will make phone calls or knock on doors on his behalf. But I will vote for him, because I believe that he has the skills and background necessary to sucessfully execute the Office of President of the United States. Regardless of our policy differences and the fact that I think he’s slimy, this is clearly a step up from the current situation.

    This is a democracy. Everybody votes, and the winner governs. Each of us doesn’t “deserve” to have our guy win, and nor do we “deserve” to have our policy preferences enacted at every turn.

    What we do all deserve is a President with the skills, knowledge, and experience to execute the office faithfully. Obama clearly does not. I believe that Romney does.

    Therefore, I vote for Mitt Romney.

  • emptybucket

    man” Sununu has been great this week. Love how his blunt, honest statements stall the Libs into ah, ah, ah, ah or better yet, silence. Governor Sununu was worth the listen and he is doing nothing more than speaking the truth and calling a spade a spade. We didn’t even use the mute button on the remote to shut off the Libs, too wonderful watching both Juan and Mitchell try to come up with an appropriate come back. Mitchell in particular was ridiculous in her response, made our day.

    Juan, not so much. Lately when Juan starts spouting the Left Talking Points of the day he is getting into trouble. Like him better when he speaks from his own convictions. Juan is not a bad guy just has different viewpoint than ours. Believe we could sit down and have a political conversation with Juan without it becoming a shouting match. He is not so far left, most of the time, that I do not find myself wanting to hear what he has to say.

    I do keep it in mind that Juan was a big Hillary supporter and for a few months after Obama won his “ponderings” were a bit better than they are now,

  • tnguy

    and an iffy pro-lifer at the top of the ticket…..

    Romney could hardly give more of a middle finger to conservatives.

  • emptybucket

    with all his “spread the wealth around” that he proabably has. Don’t you?

  • PowerToThePeople

    makes you an ignorant fool worth of nothing but absolute contempt.

    Go back to constructing your tin foil hat and finish lining your home with tin foil sheets, we have no use for POS like you here.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Time to put out the rat poison.

  • acat

    (Cheshire grin)

  • fightnright

    which only will *anchor* bull sheetrock stories negative to Republicans on the top of the news, should remain the plan.

    Any time, airspace and newsprint used to cover issues which extrapolate from imaginary origins wastes valuable time which could be spent discussing *how Democrat policies are running this country into the ground Constitutionally, economically, ethically and morally*, and making its citizens lives more miserable now, while simultaneously ruining any of their hopes for a better future.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    ..

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    got redistributed to Obama campaign contributers and bundlers in the form of graft *cough* I mean “clean energy grants”. When Obama talks Robin Hood; he means steal from the middle class and give to the rich (as long as he gets a campaign contribution kickback).

    I encourage everyone to read this and know who the real felon is in this election.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • Common_Cents

    she looked like a fool!

    for the life of me I don’t know why nearly the entire R stupid party continues to lick the boots of the propaganda media!

    Good job by Sununu.

    the left respects power and confidence, not some RINO squish who lays down. She’ll be much more fair to Sununu in the future or she’ll get exposed again as a propagandist hack.

  • Bob_Frazier

    Kind of surprised your last two comments have been here an hour and you have not been banned.

    Be respectful or be banned?

    Want to poison everyone who disagrees with you?

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    But he is paid to be Fox’s resident liberal, so he goes through the motions and makes the lame arguments. But his heart is not in it.

  • texsizzle

    That’s what the government did in the story of Robin Hood: oppressive taxes. Robin was the person who relieved the *government*, not the rich, of its ill-gotten gains and returned it to those who earned it.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    to see that smackdown of Andrea. She sounded like a little child arguing, “But, but, but…”

    Sununu should hold a “How to Deal with the SCUM (so-called unbiased media)” seminar for the GOP.

  • 806br

    Look, this stuff is complicated, but the Obamnoids have the advantage of simplicity. Romney said one thing, but the SEC filings prove it isn’t true. What people don’t understand is that this venture capital, SEC stuff, offshore accounts thing just isn’t that simple. Just because Romney retired from Bain in 1999 doesn’t mean he magically and suddenly disappeared from the documents. Transitions in a venture of that size and complexity take a long time.

    Romney has here the opportunity to prove not only that he’s telling the truth, but also to show how the Obama camp doesn’t understand the complicated stuff. IMHO, he needs to get out there (or get his team out there) asap to explain to the people how just because he’s listed as the CEO, sole stockholder, etc. of the company doesn’t really mean he really works there. The Obama camp is playing paperwork games, and I think Romney ought to come out with the paperwork (including tax returns if necessary) to show how stupid the Obamanoids are being about this.

    I’m sure that his returns will show that his involvement with Bain stopped when he says it did, so he has a golden opportunity to demonstrate how his understanding of complex financial issues makes him much better to run this country than that failure in the WH.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    were when Sununu laughed at Andrea to her face – did you see the look and when there at the end you could almost feel Juan sending the Governor: “I know this is crap, you know I know it’s crap but I get paid by Fox to carry this idiot’s water,we’re friends, would you cut me a break and not visibly embarrass me like you did Andrea Mitchell?”

  • PowerToThePeople

    you and the other birther have departed the site.

    If you are too stupid to understand the point made, then no use trying to explain it to you.

    But feel free to push the contact button and complain about me. You would not be the first, you will not be the last.

  • jddrouin

    Actually, the Obama ‘team’ are trying to make people despise President-to-be-Elected Romney because otherwise, B. Hussein Obama has to talk about and run on his record.

    And he couldn’t even win a dog-catcher’s job on that.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Like Soledad O’Brien – he left her bleeding….

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    (meant to be sung to the beat of “Who let the dogs out”….

  • Bob_Frazier

    You really bring the intelligence level of Red State commentators down. You are rude and you threaten those you disagree with. Add a name to that threat and you may end up under investigation.

    I won’t complain about you. I’ll just highlight your comments for all to see. Or until Red State lives up to its motto – Be respectful, or be banned.

  • azzieman

    No-one has ever seen the real one. All of the talk-show hosts and hostesses refuse to talk about it. I say, if it is OK to belittle one part of the Constitution, actually perhaps the most important one, i.e., are you eligible, what other part of the Constitution are you willing to overlook?
    No guts, no glory. I seldom listen to any of them anymore. The issue is very contentious, and they are all afraid to confront it face-on.
    John Wayne says: Courage is when you are scared to death, but saddle up anyway.

  • PowerToThePeople

    and I would not argue with anyone who states I have a low IQ, it is funny that even with the lowered IQ, it still stays much higher than yours.

    Tell you what, just type MODS MODS COME LOOK and we will both sit back and wait with anticipation.

    PS The level of moron you have obtained is scarey!

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Sing to the tune of who let the dogs out.

  • PowerToThePeople

    are coming for you courtesy of RedState.com.

    RUN…………………………..

  • azzieman

    a conversation on Red State. Two posts in five minutes and you are told that that is too fast, and to slow down. I notice that many of the answers are a half-hour or two hours apart. At that rate, it is a wonder that anyone is left to continue the discussion, as they have all left.
    I see that a denigration to my only post was posted one minute before mine went up. How do you do that?

  • avagreen

    I’m getting the same message. It happens once in a while…….

  • Tbone

    annoying is that no one ever explains to them why the certificate Obama produced is evidently a photoshopped fake. I am sure if you did that, tnfriend, this azzieman character would slink back to where he came from.

    PS. You may as well tell him why Obama has a fake SS# as well because he is bound to bring that up next.

    Thanks.

  • Viet71

    …to say, quite correctly, that Obama has a flawed and incomplete paper trail. Covers all the many bases.

  • MF

    but I don’t agree with your assessment of Romney as an iffy pro-lifer. I think he’s solidly pro-life. Just sayin’.

  • Darin_H

    Has some algorithm that detects IQ and allows posting time based on that :)

  • uselogic

    Both of those were priceless. Mitchell got exactly what she deserved. Williams looked relieved the segment ended.

    We got some bada$$ grumpy old guys on our side. Sununu, Cheney and Weinberger just plain kill it in interviews.

  • PowerToThePeople

    and gave me quite the laugh. 5 stars all around for you!!

  • Tbone

    your post time the 14th. Now that would be funny.

  • 806br

    John Wayne was awesome, but I’d stop short of quoting him on this. When WW2 broke out, he didn’t exactly “saddle up” himself. The left loves to jump on the Duke because of that; not sure I’d pass them the ammo.

  • gekster

    From: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_didn’t_john_Wayne_serve_in_World_War_2#ixzz20Xoisc31

    He wanted to very much. But by the time WWII rolled around Wayne was in his 40s and had four small children to provide for. So he did the next best thing. He made movies about the war which in part helped to keep the morale up on the homefront. He also went to the troops, shook a lot of hands and told the enlisted men how much America and the free world appreciated all they were doing to end the tyranny in Europe. They loved him. Wayne, whether you liked him or not, was not capable of insincerity. The soldiers knew it too.

    and from:
    http://jwayne.com/2010/03/01/john-wayne-world-war-ii-and-the-draft/

    excerpt:
    Upon graduating from Glendale High School in 1925, Wayne applied to the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, hoping to live out his dream of being a career Naval officer. He came close but was instead chosen the first alternate candidate.

    By the start of World War II Wayne had been suffering for years from a badly torn shoulder muscle incurred in a body surfing accident that cost him his football scholarship at USC in 1927. He also had a bad back from performing his own stunts during ten years acting in ?B? Westerns. Moreover, he suffered from a chronic ear infection, resulting from hours of underwater filming on Cecil B. De Mille?s Reap the Wild Wind in 1941. Had Wayne actually undergone a pre-induction physical, he might indeed have been classified 4-F.

  • From ME to You

    the numbers before and after his were issued to Connecticut!

  • Viet71

    In the early 1950s, he did “Big Jim McLain,” about commies on Hawaii.

    Also in the 1950s, he did a number of memorable westerns, including “The Searchers”, a truly remarkable movie.

    His 1967 movie, “The Green Berets”, was an ode to the Special Forces, even if a little inaccurate.

    John Wayne loved America. Had a sense of humor.

  • littlehouse18

    Some pretty bad characters have been put in place around the world by democracies.

  • kopen

    Don,t stay home on election day .. this is the only chance we have to get it right .. I think Condi is a scare tactic that the oboma’ers thought up .. don’t fall for it .. Condi is no conservative Romney would be giving the election to Obama if he picked her ….Listen to your Tea Party we need a new crew in Congress .. God Bless America

  • littlehouse18

    On this electoral battlefield, folks are using up precious time and effort pushing on this when their energies could be better used for the cause. Not to mention that the ‘birthers’ become a weapon in the hands on the Obama campaign to show how ‘racist’ his opponents are. Right or wrong, it is what it is. Better to wait till after Romney wins – time is short.

    I believe he was born here, I see no evidence otherwise, but I do agree that he has purposely hidden much of his past.

  • superpatriot

    …everyone think Romney will announce his VP choice??

    Some say any day now, some say close to convention in August.

    Any thoughts????

  • littlehouse18

    nt

  • 806br

    Good stuff. Wayne made 13 movies during WW2 , all to the glory and heroism of our GIs. John Wayne was an icon of war movies.

  • celador2

    Before the Bainers and Birthers there was a rising tide of Truthers with prominent members of DNC like Rosie OD’onnell and Van Jones a White House czar. Being a truther was chic in liberal circles. Large numbers of Democrats backed the truthers They claim the president did it,

    That makes Bush a mass murderer and traitor and a criminal against humanity. I am not sure what was his motive under truther reasoning to pull off 9/11. Yet many Truthers thrived in a partisan toxic bubble that leaked life into truther conspiracy.

    The premise was that Pres Bush was behind the 9/11 hyjackings or crashes into Twin towers and Pentagon That meant Al queda was innocent. Some truthers claimed an eyewitness at Penatgon saw an object that did not match the offical version of the crash into Pentagon 9/11.And only an inside job could have brought down the towers.

    The Bainers are truthers come back with felon charges against Romney and, construct a dark side of sunny Romney as they did Bush a down to earth man. They force these fantasies upon the people in a campaign ad subtext that lies.

  • Dave_A

    The ‘original’ truthers were Paul backers and Alex-Jones followers, who claimed that the US ‘did it’ with the help of (And to benefit) Israel.

    Part of their supposed ‘evidence’ was a claim that Jews were told to stay home on 9/11..

    All BS of course, but that’s where it started…

    Then, Mikey Moore & the fringe-left joined the whack-job party….

  • bdirks

    All it takes is accepting the following:

    -That maybe, perhaps, a pregnant Stanley Ann Dunham in the summer of 1961 boarded a propeller plane from Honolulu to Los Angeles, then from Los Angeles to New York City, then from New York City to Gander, then from Gander to London, then from London to Nairobi ? and then repeated the trip backward a few weeks later ? all so that her baby could acquire Kenyan nationality. (h/t David Frum)

    -That the Obama birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper was mailed in from Kenya. On that note, maybe once Sheriff Joe’s team constructs (please, please don’t tell me this whole investigative fiasco is being paid for by gullible donors) that fake birth certificate he can get to work on proving how that birth announcement ended up in the microfiche collection at more than a thousand public libraries.

    -That while the zip code for Danbury, Connecticut is 06814 and the zip code for Honolulu is 96814, it is far more likely that the Usurper intentionally picked a fraudulent social security number associated with Danbury just to thumb his nose at us birthers. The idea that it was a clerical error by the government bureaucrat assigning social security numbers on a type writer in 1961 is absurd.

    -The absurd notion that the doctor who supposedly signed that fake birth certificate and delivered Obama in 2003 died without mentioning a word to anyone about his most famous little patient, Presid…. sorry, Illinois State Senator Barack Obama. (h/t Eric Bolling)

    -If all else fails though, there is the backup plan, that since both of Obama’s parents weren’t American citizens, he is ineligible. It’s right there in the Constitu… sorry, Vattel’s Law of Nations, the supreme authoritative document of the United States. Also, get out your magic marker and redact these folks from the history books:

    Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both from Northern Ireland. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Protestant Irish fathers. Arthur’s mother was born in Vermont, but her family moved to Canada and that is where she met her husband and where they lived before moving to the US together. Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

  • BigRedConservative

    Why don’t you get out of your moronic hiding-hole and stop smoking weed and bath salts? You are the gentleman who is far more likely to be banned for your underhand, pathetic tactics which bring shame upon the right wing.

  • Dave_A

    And BTW, we already know he lied about his birthplace to sell books, back when he first tried to become a millionare by writing about himself…

    The fact is, there is no justification to dig through every single document the guy has ever written, when he has provided multiple legal documents that establish him as a US citizen ‘on the face’ (eg, unless explicitly proven false)….

    The man was eligible… Now let’s get him out of the office in November, the proper way (voting him out)….

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    ..

  • jpeterson
    Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Beck…all paid by BAIN CAPITAL.

    Here are the facts:
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/26/1095014/-Bain-Capital-and-Mitt-Romney-s-Best-Kept-Secret-Clear-Channel-Radio

  • jpeterson
  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    We all know Bain has a stake in Clear Channel….not like liberals don’t bring it up enough. The only people who care about Bain are liberal Democrats.

  • jpeterson
  • jbeckma

    is all they are asking you to be. Have an opinion, but have an informed intelligent one. And if someone disagrees with you, be RESPECTFUL!

  • acat

    it’s just the cargo-cult leftists recycling past attacks.

    Haliburton was seen as effective against Cheney, so naturally they’re going to repeat it against Romney.

    The trouble with this was and is that plenty of Dems are even further in bed with corporate interests ..

    Mew

  • APA Guy

    Mac n Cheese and carrot sticks are being served for lunch…with Smarties for dessert.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    no truth in the SCUM (so-called unbiased media)

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Shame to waste that on the crowd at DKos

  • Christine

    I have children around this house.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Epic

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    I don’t know if Erick E. paid you to write your birther screeds, but you have unintentionally made his point brilliantly.

    One can create unlimited numbers of unanswerable questions and plausible realities once one starts to discount facts contrary to the desired conclusions and/or assert a ‘conspiracy’ to discredit apparent real evidence as ‘fake’. The fallacy of selective cherry-picked evidence-belief can lead you far down the rabbit hole.

    Bainers=Birthers=kooks

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    That makes me happy and I want to invest in Bain. Why would a for-profit company NOT want to invest in people who are pro-capitalist?

  • Bill S

    Not here.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    You can have them

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    With or without ranch dressing will be fine, thanks.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    We don’t have conversations with birfers. We bait them until a Mod shows up and gaks them. Then we party hearty.

  • APA Guy

    jbeckma, meet FAIL…

  • PowerToThePeople

    do I need to get “disrespectful” towards you as well?

    How about you actually spend more than one day here and make more than one comment before you explain house rules to me.

    That, and get a life moron!

  • PowerToThePeople

    but I am more than willing to bet there are a few who would argue with you as to my respected position.

  • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

    It’s too quick and clean.

    I’d vote for drawing and quartering or impaling.

    And, it’s not a matter of “disagreement”, birfirs and loonier than Ron Paul supporters and they are destroying the gene pool.

  • westcoastpatriette

    He/she, for some reason, always feels the need to correct others. Condescendingly.

  • Christine

    is why I love RedState.

    Also the slight adjustments to the former links to websites frequented by foul mouthed liberal children.

  • acat

    For the younger ones, they may come to more maturity over time … the adult birfers are hopeless; none should not be allowed to vote.

    Mew

  • teapartypatriot4ever

    You stand against a hightly intelligent leader of impeccable quaifications, ie; Dr Condolleezza Rice, who has some questionable conservative issues, but instead supports a Ted Kennedy collaborating Mass Liberal Progressive GOP Establishment RINO named Romney for US President.

    Dr Rice would be more of a consistent conservative leader than Rmney will ever be. I would Dr Condoleezza Rice over Romney any day of te week, and twice on sundays.

    Romney’s past as Gov of Mass., reflects what Romney will be in the future as President, as he has never veered away from what he was and what he is now. He is a liberal progressive, as he has so publically stated, along with his record as Gov. Thus he has never shown any ability, willingness, or propensity whatsoever to be either conservative in thought, policy, or action, ever.

    Obama-Harvard Grad- Radical Liberal Progressive Socialist who implemented Obamacare, forced mandated substandard inferior State Socialized Medicine that bankrupts the residents, citizens, and Independent businesses and companies in the Free Market Capitalist Free Enterprise system in the Nation, which has all but destroyed private healthcare in America, not to mention stripping American’s of their Freedom, along with Borrowing, Taxing, and Spending America into Bankruptcy oblivion, which is crippling the US Free Market and America’s Economy.

    Romney-Harvard Grad- Moderate liberal Mass. Progressive Republican, aka RINO / Republican Obama Facsimile who implemented Romneycare, precursor of Obamacare, forced mandated substandard inferior State Socialized Medicine that bankrupts the residents, citizens, and Independent businesses and companies in the Free Market Capitalist Free Enterprise system in Mass ,which Romney refuses to refute, but says he will repeal Obamacare, which has all but destroyed private healthcare in Mass, that have all but crippled and bankrupted his State’s govt, the resident tax payers, and especially the economy in Mass.

    How do you implement defend a Ted Kennedy collaborated forced mandated substandard inferior State Socialized Medicine program, aka Romneycare law that does the very same thing as Obamacare does, even before there was an Obama and Obamacare to begin with, then turns around and says it’s bad and needs to be repealed, even though he refuses to refute his own Obamacare/Romneycare he created and implemented into law in Mass. That’s called hypocrisy whether you like it or not, and anyone who believe he will repeal anything concerning Obamacare, let alone fight Obama and his tax laden oppressive Obamacare rigorously, like he did to Reagan Conservatives Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich in the Primaries, is seriously na?ve, gullible, and mistaken.. It’s no wonder why Obama was elected in the first place.

    President Ronald Reagan would never have colluded with Ted Kennedy on a forced mandated inferior substandard State Socialized Medicine program that would have suppressed and stifled the American people’s Freedom of choice and liberty against the will of the American people.

  • teapartypatriot4ever

    The Truth is the Truth, and these labels only serve to hide the issues at hand that need addressing, pollute an concolute the serious issues, with the right people to address these issues, and in the right context.

    The lables are for liberal hacks on both sides of asile to distort the truth, and hide their agenda by playing this labeling game, via politics as usual.

  • funwithknives

    bed-time and it makes them ‘feel good’.
    To shallow narcissists, with a huge helping of moral relativism mixed-in, what else is required??

    Viewed as a form of Name Calling, this clearly illustrates the Infantile Limits of Progressivism.
    You never have to grow up, and no one around you is doing it, either.
    Any Dolt can be “A Progressive”, as we see ,continually.

    You actually have to ‘Think’ to climb the ladder , where Freedom, Liberty and Free Exchange of Ideas are seen as essential items.
    Something with meaning, and a vision worth effort.

    Sadly, there Are Some hereabouts {none here I see, though} on the Red Side who do fit your description. But they stick out in very short order, like muddy feet on a clean kitchen floor.
    Out ‘em and make them extinct. {Red RINOs?}

    Freedom and Liberty to you, tp4e.
    Sincerely, fwk.

  • bdirks

    When I said I hope he isn’t using gullible donors on this escapade, I didn’t mean this:

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2012/may/23/arizona-sheriff-arpaio-uses-taxpayers-money-send-b/

  • brianw

    Thank you Debra.

    Now Erick……

    “the same way Birthers will take no answer other than one that shows Barack Obama is not an American citizen”

    Really? Seriously? The underlying premise of this entire article is what a liar Obama is. I find it extremely offensive that you equate the sleazy liars from the Obama camp to US taxpayers demanding answers to a long history of sleazy lying about Obama’s personal history. Amazing. One side spreading lies, and the other looking for the truth. And you equate this….., simply amazing.

    Obama dodges all inquiries, he lies, or submits questionable documents about his birth, his school records, his draft registration, his SSN, his college transcripts….., on and on. Even Obama’s auto is just one lie after another. And I’m a whack job for taking this seriously? Geez, college punks can completely and convincingly tear apart all of his documents. The problem is it’s toxic. Not because the left had their way, but because conservatives and republicans like you don’t have the courage or wisdom to see it for what it really is. Thank God for “white trash nut jobs” calling it like they see it.

    Obama is the biggest fraud and has pulled off the biggest scam in our country’s history, if not the world’s history. I’m not sure what it is exactly, I won’t even say the citizenship is an issue, but everything about this guy’s history is tainted. I’m sure whatever it is, it would be a massive embarrassment for this country. After all, we’re the fools that elected him.

  • gekster

    No. Really. Read the article and not the comment and come back and try again.