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Housebreaking Romney: The Importance of Being Vocal

“The very same American press corps that calls both small government conservatives and white supremacists ‘far right,’ will call Mitt Romney a conservative whether he is or is not. ”

Mitt Romney’s ardent supporters are fit to be tied today. Andrea Saul cited Romneycare approvingly, conservatives rightly piled on, and Romney supporters are defending the guy.

“You’re hurting him,” cried one.

“Thanks for making this the big story of the day, Jackass,” cried another.

Andrea Saul made this the big story of the day. She is hurting Romney. She is an official voice of the campaign. This was an unforced error of monumental idiocy and the blowback is deserved, appropriate, and — most importantly — absolutely necessary.

As Dan McLaughlin noted on twitter

What conservatives are doing re Andrea Saul’s comment is the same as how you housebreak your dog. Romney needs to know not to go there.

Precisely.

The reaction should come quickly and be vocal or the Romney campaign, which is not conservative, will take it as a tacit admission from conservatives that it is safe to let their hair down on these issues.

Many will say this should wait until after the campaign is over. But we’ve seen this play out before. Once George Bush was elected, we had to keep the fragile coalition together. Then it was the war. Then it was re-election. We got to TARP and the GM bailout and people were still yelling that we could not criticize the Bush Administration lest we help Barack Obama.

These supporters are enablers of the $16 trillion debt we presently have. If we cannot vocally and forcefully hold Mitt Romney accountable now, there will be a new excuse after the election for why we cannot hold him accountable, just as there always has been up to $16 trillion.

Last year, while many of us were telling the GOP to hold the line on raising the debt ceiling, the very same people who today are telling us to shut up about Mitt Romney were telling us to shut up about not raising the debt ceiling. What did we get? A super committee and possible sequestration in exchange for two extra trillion dollars in debt.

Now many of these same people are telling us, with the super committee’s failure that so many of predicted would fail by design, we must scrap sequestration because of defense cuts. So we’ll get several trillion dollars more in debt with no cuts. This is exactly what I and others were warning about and it came to pass exactly as we said it would.

Still the Republican enablers would have us say nothing because . . . campaign season.

Should Mitt Romney be elected President of the United States, the very same American press corps that calls both small government conservatives and white supremacists “far right,” will call Mitt Romney a conservative whether he is or is not. The press corps is either too stupid or too liberal to be nuanced on these issues. [Note: embrace the healing power of "and"]

Therefore, if we are not vocally on the record now that it is madness for the Romney camp to praise a failed healthcare regime in Massachusetts, between the press and Romney’s present enablers, we’ll surrender that right after the election.

No one doubts we must beat Barack Obama. No one doubts Mitt Romney is the only vehicle with which we can beat Barack Obama. But I doubt we can if the Romney camp makes unforced errors and those errors — not being vocal about those errors — shake the fragile truce conservatives have with him in the name of beating Obama.

You and I may go vote for Mitt Romney, but there are some in the center-right coalition who lean toward the libertarian end of the spectrum who will just sit it out. There are independents who will sit it out. They need to know Romney has seen the error of his ways and is not, as so many of the candidates in the primary season said he was, not very different from the man he is trying to beat.

Also, it is worth noting as some of you forget, I carry water for no candidate, including for Mitt Romney. I’m not willing to sacrifice intellectual honesty or integrity to see him head into office thinking he can get a pass from the right on a destructive healthcare policy he still refuses to admit is economically damaging.

COMMENTS

  • jimmaloney

    …needs to be separated from the position and the campaign-comments like hers belong in the “other camp”- not in ours…

    …open (location deleted)-insert head- nice going Ms Saul…

  • zollistar

    It’s tough being a Tea Partier when we have candidates like Romney for whom we’ll vote for reasons having nothing to do with him.

    I’m not sure the RNC “gets” it.

    But maybe the Mourock, Walker and, now, Cruz wins are beginning to “school” the leadership. It’s becoming more and more of a dinosaur, after all. We’re just by-passing it and supporting our choice of candidates directly and unequivocally.

    And, yes, we have to insist that Romney own up to the disaster he left behind in Massachusetts.

  • kentucky

    Hi. I left behind a disaster in Massachusetts. Please remember to vote for me for President of the United States.”

    A winning message if I’ve ever heard one. Nose cut off, face spited.

  • gwalt

    I cringed when I heard it and if it wasn’t for the lying treasonous media, this ad wouldn’t have had legs. Andrea Saul made an error, but the bigger picture is that Burton airs this and the media gives another 5 billion in free PR to Oblamo. At the 09 Redstate gathering I bought a couple copies of Zieglers DVD. At that time it was revealed that the media accounted for at least 3 BILLION dollars in free, positive PR. That was the national media.

    Factor in the local George Stepphie, Perky Katie and Brian Williams wannabes (as well as online, local papers that pick up AP, NYT feeds) and it was estimated at nearly 5 BILLION.

    We need to Alinsky the anchors/reporters (hear me George and David Gregory?) by face and name!

    WE need to put their names and faces in ads, on boards, papers, TV ads—-whatever—we will take it viral and make sure they know we know they are lying and we will take their names and faces to the public.

    Face it, we are political junkies. Most of the nation is not. We need ads calling them out on their biases (lies, etc.) come September Week 1 when people, by habit, are tuning in to see election news. Imagine Jane and Joe Sixpack eating their Egg McMuffin and seeing Lauers face on a billboard on the way to work with:” Do you watch him? Why? Can you trust him? go to newsbusters/BigJournalism/ to find out”.
    (Or YOU LIE will do. A little more direct, eh? )

    We play defense with the media (unless its Trump or Sununu) and they move on to the next egregious insult. ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS are OUR airwaves. They call us out by face and name—–they Alinsky us—-why in the Good Lords name won’t we fight back?

  • sarg01

    There’s not a chance in hell I’d sit it out. The progressives are the most urgent threat to America since the battle of Midway.

    They’re authoritarians at heart. They may not all be Hugo Chavez, but they’re all capable of respecting and supporting Hugo Chavezism in others so long as he hits the right villains. Unlike every other world villain since Japan and Germany went down, the proggies actually have a chance of controlling America – in fact, already have from 2009-2010.

    It’s a big reason I respect the GOP Congresscritters a lot more than most folks ’round here … they stalled the freight train long enough for the Tea Party to raid it. These are not Bush 41 Republicans. They’re not even 2005 Republicans.

    Do they need to finish the job? Of course … but so do we. We have to give them the levers of power. The vote on Obamacare made this clear. When the chips are down, the worst Republican is better than the best Democrat. Like most others, I was scared to death Collins or Snowe would cave. But they didn’t. Guess who did cave? The Ben Nelsons, and Joe Liebermans and Bart Stupaks … in other words, the Democrats.

    Obama himself simply doesn’t get why we don’t all agree he’s smarter than us and let him “fix” stuff. The “mainstream” Democrat party is just as bad. There’s no road left for kicking this can. 2014 is the end of the line.

    As long as Romney sticks to his clear pledge to repeal Obamacare, I couldn’t care less if he’s contrite about a Mass law from last decade.

  • westcoastpatriette

    word for word right on. This is where the Tea Party needs to get the newspaper, fold it up, and make clear to Romney that pissing in the house will not be tolerated. And should he decide to do more than just piss, look out.

  • jude68

    Monumental in your mind Erick and I know all those conservatives that you allegedly represent. Oh yeah….all those unemployed, incomes falling, rising energy prices, loss of liberty and small businesses closing will look at this Interview with Ms. Saul as the REAL REASON TO VOTE!! Get a clue Erick!! I am conservative and YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME!! What Ms. Saul said was stupid…but does it rise to GH BUSH AND READ MY LIPS….NO ERICK….in fact it has been covered on just your blog and a couple other conservative blogs….if conservatives like you think this is a BIG DEAL good for you!! Go get a cookie because it means nothing but to a cry baby like you to make noise out of nothing.

    God I am so sick of this garbage with all that is going on Einstein Erick has to post two blogs stories over it….why Erick??? maybe because you are not getting as much support as you claim??

    Outside of here…it is nowhere!! Oh yeah this will be a BIG MOMENT!!

    Einstein Erick thinks this takes away from Obama’s Horrible Ad!! SORRY ERICK TRY AGAIN in your little bubble!

    The ad was BAIN and unfairly linking Romney to a man’s wife who died of cancer. No it was not about Obamacare or Romneycare….YOU WENT THERE WAY OVER THE TOP!!

    Ms. Saul was dumb…but your childish posts dumber!

  • gekster

    But most people arn’t seeing the forest for the trees on this one.

  • johnCV

    I don’t like Romney and never have. However since securing the nomination, I thought he has been doing a passable job hitting Conservative themes. For a republican he’s also fighting back against the lying thug regime’s outrageous lies (far too timid for me, but still better than previous nominees). I was even considering working for him in my local party HQ. Forget it.

    Prior to this I was willing to suspend my doubts about him, but now again I don’t trust Romney and his advisors to actually act in a Conservative manner. The motivation for voting for him had been the ouster of the current occupier in the WH. If this statement by his spokesflack actually represents their political core, then the only difference between the two is a matter of degree. I’m surely going to get flamed, but really, a romney win would be a pyrrhic victory indeed that gets us no closer to the Constitution and allows the Left to blame (trumpeted by the Illiterati in the press) Conservatives for the unavoidable bad financial situation we will face in the next couple of years. Concentrating on electing Senate and House Tea Party candidates may likely yield a better situation than having the ‘our’ President, being the one to advance Progressive causes.

  • jude68

    I am sorry but I diverge with you on this. This comment was dumb but it was not so worthy of such an overreaction by Erick! Conservatives in the Senate and House aare the key to moving the country back to the right but making such a mountain out of ant hill over a spokeswoman is ridiculous. When Romney says…”I no longer support repeal of Obamacare” than I will worry not some spokeswoman talking about an AD and mentioned Romneycare! But she speaks for Romney…yeah right…I am sure Mitt wrote the comments himself!! NOT!!

    You may not like Romneycare but the hallmark of Federalism is State Rights. Sorry but if you believe that then suck it up because Mass has something other States DO NOT!! Heck we have that all over the US….either you support State Rights or you do not!! You will not always like what a State does but you can move or leave….BUT I cannot stand conservatives who only support State Rights when they get what they want!! NO STATE RIGHTS ARE STATE RIGHTS!! I would not want Romneycare and I would have left the state but I respect Federalism! You live with US CONSTITUTION AND DIE BY IT!!

    But this folly of Einstein Erick is just blantantly overreacting! Show me again when you have ROMNEY SAYING “I NO LONGER SUPPORT REPEALING OBAMACARE” then I will listen not a spokeswoman who was speaking for herself!!

  • colonelflagg

    …you have a funny way of showing it.

    Yes, the ad was Bain. And Saul turned the ad into Obamneycare, which a majority of the American people detest, and defended its progenitor (which to you would be ‘the original author’).

    Romney has to stay on message. He had that message going his way — the Bain ad is a provable falsity — and Saul changed his message. Erick is right. It’s an act of monumental stupidity. Conservatives who feel they’ve received two upturned middle fingers from Mittens since the start of the campaign now have even more reason to distrust him.

    And there’s no way — and I mean N-O W-A-Y — Romney wins without the Republican base.

    Try again. Or on the other hand, don’t.

  • jude68

    And what a moron!! Get a Sherlock Holmes book and get a clue…Oh yeah Romney and Obama are so similar!! I see it in his tax plan, I see in his treatment of Israel, Poland..I see it in his response to Military…I see it in his knowledge of the private sector and creating jobs, I see it in his enery policy…..and more…OH YEAH JOHN they are the same…Here is an idea..GET OFF YOUR BUTT and read the difference in the platforms and ideas. Idiots like you have no idea what you are talking about at all!! You do not like Romney for one reason…he is from Mass and he could never be conservative enough for you!! I love someone so fickle…if this spokeswoman represents Romney…I am getting my sand bucket and into the corner I go because he is really liberal….Oh yeah…wanting to build the Keystone Pipeline, Add Coal Plants, Allowing for Drilling in Anwar and Continental Shelf..supporting FRACKING, cutting taxes on small businesses..Jerusalem is Capital of Israel, cutting capital gains and death tax….BOY HOW LIBERAL AND THE SAME OBAMA AND ROMNEY ARE!! MORON!

  • checkmate2012

    be the biggest flip flopper ever if he did so at this point. We saw him defend it in debate after debate, yet he won the Primary and now we support the candidate in the General. This is not a blindside moment and people voted for him knowing his stance on Romneycare.

    The Left must love reading the Right losing their minds over one sentence in the 5 min interview I saw on Fox. She called the ad “disgusting” and “despicable”, which we all know it is. But they’ll just replay the one remark in a vaccum like they always do.

    Should we hold Romney to the conservative “fire”? Yes. Should we go bananas over one sentence? No.

    We need to keep the focus on O’s disastrous record and his dirty smear campaign, including this shameful ad.

  • aesthete

    Different from Obama =/= conservative

  • burke

    Whatever Romney’s personal views are, I am confident that if conservatives hold his feet to the fire, he could be a team player and move the country in the right direction as president.

    The main problem here is that Romney can’t seem to keep competent staff around him. Gorka, Romney’s press secretary, is consistently bumbling with the press (most recently saying that Romney mispronounced Sikh because he was tired — not the best impression to give about someone who’s up for the hardest job on the planet). And Paul takes the cake — this is pretty much a tacit endorsement of Obamacare (I know, states rights yada yada –but in my opinion, Romneycare is cut from the same cloth as Obamacare). Why doesn’t Romney fire these people and hire people who won’t make mistakes like this day after day?

    Romney’s staff needs to get it together. All his camp seems to do is whine about criticism from conservatives (when his job is to represent conservatives), and whine about Obama’s attacks on him (did we really expect anything less than dirty attacks from Obama with the MSM’s tacit approval? Fighting back is also Romney’s job.).

    (As an aside, Erick is right to be concerned about disaffected center-right libertarians. Just look at New Mexico! Gary Johnson supporters have made New Mexico comfortably blue at this point.)

  • westcoastpatriette

    You make me look like an old-time pro with respect to how to win elections as well as how to define political philosophy.

    I could care less if a statist tries to push socialism on me at the state level or the federal level — either one is an anathema to conservatives. Get it, dumbo? And your argument that federalism makes what Romney did in Mass a-okay is laughable.

    I suggest you go back to the drawing board and do a little more study re: what the conservative movement is about before you continue coming here and insulting Erick and the rest of us. And please stop screaming at me. I am not hard of hearing.

  • reggie1

    Is Andrea Saul behind the other, “I know you are, but what am I” retorts:

    - Put up, or shut-up, Harry!
    - Romneyhood? Obamaloney!

    Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

  • JRD

    We need to get rid of incompetence. Losing is not an option. We can handicap this horserace and it’s McLame 2.0.

    Andre Saul is part of the failed Orange Charlie Crist campaign. Why would someone who is so successful choose a loser to represent him?

    These people get paid plenty of big bucks for losing. Dump them now.

    Obama hasn’t even begun with the Gordon Gekko routine. He’s saving that for after the convention. Dump these Animal House fratboys, now or lose quietly.

  • Bill S

    So behave yourself. If you don’t like the commentary, maybe you should go back to watching SpongeBob.

  • checkmate2012

    agree with you on getting new spokesmen on the other related Erick post. I wish people would watch the whole video interview….

    Romneycare was one sentence in a 5 min interview.
    checkmate2012 (Diary) Wednesday, August 8th at 3:20PM EDT (link)

    After hearing about Saul?s comment today on Rush, I was ready to unload on Romney?s amateur spokes people, especially after Eric Ferhnstrom?s, ?it?s not a tax? comment right after the SCourt decision.

    I?m not sure how many networks she was on and if she was given as much time, but watch this interview of her on Fox. It?s about 5 minutes and she stays on point except for that one stupid sentence. Just saying it wasn?t the gist of her entire interview to be fair.

    I?m not excusing her Romneycare remark and wish that Romney would hire professionals or at least give them daily talking points if they can?t think on their feet. I didn?t think Eric Ferhnstrom would have a job after his remark!

    Here?s the link in case vid doesn?t work:
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/1776843465001/

    Watch the latest video at video.foxnews.com

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Saul should have called the ad filth and wondered aloud if Federal Election laws had been violated since Whine and Cheese Joe had appeared in an Obama ad and a Priorities ad. In addition, the Obama camp much as they tried to avoid it were going to have to repudiate Burton which would have been gold everytime Burton ran an ad. There is that opportunity cost in addition to now we have brawls on RedState between what should be solid Romney supporters.

    I am guessing Michelle Davis is going to have more than Bain messaging now (even though well she was at Fannie and Treasury but at least she is a pro who knows not to go meandering in the woods). I would also suggest the Romney campaign backdoor to some conservative activist like Erick on this issue for open and honest discussion and whom to hire to provide a voice in the Romney camp for conservatives. Romney’s reputation at Bain was as a leader who didn’t fear ideas different from his own (and didn’t punish disagreement). His campaign could use a little of that.

  • absdoggy

    As a CPA, having studied GST Steel, the ad is just plain wrong. If the guy wants to blame someone, blame the original owners for bringing Bain in and trying to hit a home run with the company. Gee, why should we do that in a free market capitalist country? How come no one could wave a magic wand and have GST Steel and every other company magically be profitable just because we want it to be? Maybe they should have just made the numbers up like in the book Animal Farm and kept the plant running until everyone was in poverty and the plant was completely useless to anyone.

    Why couldn’t she have focused on the real issue. But then again, this whole campaign is the real issue.

    Look at the story Romney told yesterday about his Dad and McDonald’s. Jeebus, what was that? Oh, I can relate to the average American because in my late teens / early twenties I was rummaging around in my father’s drawers? Really – I might have done that when I was 8, but at 19? 20? WTF? Oh, and my Dad ate at McDonalds – because my Dad knew Ray Kroc and Ray gave him a card that allowed him to eat free at any McDonalds for life. Why yes, we all eat free at McDonalds.

    You know, when Dumbell Dukakis rode in the tank, and Kerry the Kommunist was “for it before I was against it” I laughed. I guess mom was right, laughing turns to crying. This is a campaign for the presidency of the United States, about our values, our priorities, the future of our country. I don’t care if you ate at McDonalds! I sympathize with the GST Steel worker for his wife dying – 5 years after the plant closed, so I don’t really know what that had to do with anything – but don’t give me platitudes about how socialist health care in MA would have helped him.

    Fire the whole campaign staff, use Rubio/Scott’s people or something.

  • Viet71

    Inept campaigners lose.

  • earlgrey

    the first complaint was enough. We are on board (not that it matters to Romney). I guess I don’t get what is being said here that is different from the first. Except here you offer some vian hope that he can learn. me I am not so sure.

  • nancylee

    On at least 3 other blogs, and, more important, Rush was upset about it on his show, this morning. That’s enough for me.

    I heard of it first this morning on Rush’s show, and my first reaction was dismay — not because I am afraid Romney is going to backtrack on Obamacare, but because I am afraid it will affect Romney’s electability.

    In my view, the most urgent priority is to remove Obama from office, and that means Romney must beat him in November.

    No one will deny, I think, that Mitt is a moderate, which is worlds better than Obama’s Leftism, but Mitt, in my mind, is merely a placeholder until we can replace him with a more Conservative President. Still, we have to elect him. He must be schooled to not say stupid things, either personally or through his surrogates. Ms Saul stepped in it big time, and she and Romney need to be pulled up short *now*!

  • macbookben

    …to shift the attention from “didn’t pay taxes for 10 years” to the more cosmically idiotic “well she would have had insurance in Massachusetts.”

    Bottom line, the voters who are easily influenced by these remarks won’t start paying attention to electoral politics until Halloween. They are the ones, I hope and pray, will stay home on November 6th.

    I think the majority of folks who are willing to vote for Romney are motivated because they wish to see BHO out of office by the beginning of the next term

  • zollistar

    Now I can share them.

    Also, Checkmate, you made some very fair points. Thank you for them.

  • clintonformccain

    He is well aware that the demand for “conservative pundits” at places like CNN is proportional to their willingness to attack Republican candidates. See Brooks, David and others….

  • tnguy

    This is who Romney is. I don’t really get why so many are upset that a moderate, in some instances, liberal republican sometimes acts like one.

    This is who he is.

    EE totally misses the mark with his “hold him accountable” comments. Hold Romney accountable for what? Being Romney? That ship sailed in the primaries. The same people will feign shock when Romney adds another phony conservative – like Paul Ryan – and yet continues the same big government principles Republicans practiced for so long…. especially in the previous 8 years, to the degree that millions of Americans couldn’t tell the difference any longer between republicans and a marxist.

    All this tough talk about Romney and his team is about as useful as navel lent when it’s always prefaced with the notion that you’re voting for him no matter what he says or does.

  • veritaseequitas

    give her a butt whuppin’ and then either put a muzzle on her or fire her. The same goes for anyone else who is making idiotic statements that are going to make GOP Romney look like Comrade Romney.
    While I do believe that we need to keep pushing our conservative message and that Romney needs to adopt that conservative message, I also believe that we must ask ourselves what comes first and what is most important. These are our choices:

    A) Eliminate the threat of a disastrous 2nd Obama term by electing OUR candidate (the one we have to work with), who is certainly not perfect but whom we will perfect.
    OR
    B) Get caught up in every distraction that the left throws our way, or every gaffe that comes out of his campaign, which makes Romney fight a two front war between Obama and the Conservatives.

    PICK ONE

  • sarg01

    He’s also got an audience made up of conservatives and the occasional libertarian. He’s also not running for office, as he’ll be the first to tell you. No sane person holds Rush responsible for much of anything …

    (yes, I’m mindful of the Fluke factor. She just ticked me off again with her post on the Huffington Puff this morning. But I’m also aware Carbonite had to admit dumping Rush is killing their sales. And I did say “no sane person”, which doesn’t exactly include much of the left) …

    Romney, on the other hand, has to put together a coalition of voters that adds up to 270 electoral votes. He’s going to have to say some things people that are supporting him will disagree with. In a sense, that’s a big part of what leadership is about.

    He’s going to have to convince moderates he’s NOT listening to people like you, me, Erick and Rush. We have to suck it up, or at least grouse about it in such a way that the story isn’t “will Romney repudiate Romneycare?” instead of “Dems say Romney’s for cancer”. The first question shrinks the coalition – no matter which side Romney picks. The second expands the coalition as Dems look like idiots.

  • nancylee

    But that doesn’t mean we can’t let Romney know when he or his representatives have said something so stupid that it may actually lose him a significant number of votes.

    Conservatives are very sensitive about Obamacare, which sprang from Romneycare. Obamacare should be brought up frequently, along with Romney’s promise to repeal it. Romneycare should be allowed to sink into obscurity.

  • revivalrebel

    Lets step back for a second here. This was a big gaffe, yes, BUT its VERY fixable and besides its early yet. Thank GOD for the Olympics. People right now are tied up in the Olympics and trying to milk every last second that is left of Summer. If this had been late September or October then yes it’d be bigger but it will blow over.
    This can and MUST be fixed, before things really heat up so as that there will be no repeats of it later, so yes I agree with Erick on that part. This is also a warning that WE as Conservatives MUST work harder to get good Representatives elected so that we can open a direct line of discourse to them and make them hold Mitts feet to the fire for us.
    Look if you are gonna let this somehow sway you from Romney Id say with all due respect to please get over it AND YOURSELF. The fact that Romney isnt the most Conservative guy out there should come as no surprise to anyone. So come on get back on the RIGHT side and help us fight. Staying home or a third party vote is a vote for obama and EVERYONE knows it. This mess didnt just happen overnight and it cant be fixed in two election cycles BUT we can dig ourselves out day to day. So pick up your shovel and lets go!!!
    Theres ALOT to be encouraged about out there right now. REAL polls have Romney ahead or dead on. LIKELY voters are going for him. Independant voters are going for him. Energy amongst Conservatives is HIGH with nowhere to go but up. obama has outspent and thrown everything at him and is still losing ground. Romney is out collecting him by a ton and hasnt even broken a sweat yet. Hes gonna have a BIG bomb to hit him with come September and October. He hasnt even chosen a VP yet, IF he gets the right one that can be HUGE.
    SO lets take this for what it is, and keep up the fight. Face it obama is good for SEVERAL more big mouthed gaffes that will keep driving away support. He’s good for a couple more Joe the Plumber moves before November.

    So lets just all take a breath here.

  • CarolT

    Remember Romney was so horrible to the other republicans during the primaries, ruthless is the word I want. What happened to him? He has to stop saying Obama is a good father or whatever else he says that is complimentary to him. We need the Romney that was so vile to the others during the primaries. I know he was out to personally destroy Gingrich after Newt one a primary, sorry I don’t remember which one,maybe SC? Romney has to attack Obama as he did Perry, Santorum & Gingrich.
    He has to have a bit of respect because Obama is the White House occupant,but his surrogates and staff better get on it.
    Fire anyone that was on Crist’s campaign & please don’t tell me he has any of the McCain staff.

  • runner12

    firing Andrea Saul or finding her another place in the campaign. That was a stupid, unforced error and we cannot have those going up against the media shills for Obama.

    That being said, I am not concerned about Romney and OCare. I believe that he will begin the repeal of it on day one. Romney is not the one who made the gaffe and those who are acting like he did need to step back and relax.

    I do agree with EE that if we are not intellectually honest and are too afraid to criticize our own constructively, we lose all credibility. We do not want to sand bag our own candidate, but we cannot be shills either. There has to be some sort of a balance.

    Romney’s team has to be on their A game to win in Nov. If certain people are not up to the task they need to be removed. I suggest Romney remove Saul ASAP.

  • CarolT

    I meant to write won, not one a primary.

  • fpete13527

    There is a mile wide opening here for Romney to drive a truck through (IE. REAL actions that TRUELY got Americans killed like…um…FAST AND FURIOUS) and Saul does a sloshly, apologetic, RomneyCare rant in response to this bogus attack???? Duh!!.

    Every message is critical right now and for Romney to empower a limp message from a wishy washy spokeswoman is pitiful.

    I was just about to do more empowerment to the Romney campaign and this make think twice.

    Fire Saul and have Sununu (at his toughest) be the main campaign person and funnel ALL things through him first.

  • Vegas_Rick

    If you can’t see how this undercuts the argument against Obamacare, look in the mirror and meet the moron.

  • goodgovernance

    Don’t worry, die-hard Romney supporters. Your guy still has my vote.

    But I get increasingly tired just thinking about pulling the lever for him.

  • Samsara

    “GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney’s camp is defending a controversial program he created that handed out free wheels to Massachusetts welfare recipients ? including state-funded insurance and AAA memberships ?”
    http://bostonherald.com/news/us_politics/view/2011_1018mitt_defends_his_welfare_wheels_from_gop_outrage

    RomnyCare…RomnyWheels…Mitt Romney really puts the liberal in conservative.

    The Super PAC ad Andrea Saul was addressing is deceptive and disgusting, and the Obama camp undoubtedly approves of this gutter politics. They are looking around saying “Who? Me?” just like …Hmmm…just like Mitt Romney did as his Super PAC slimed his more conservative opponents.

    And the GOP establishment is shocked…shocked I say…. at the ads being run against them. They can stop whining about it because this is the fight they wanted. Everyone knew that the Citizens United case would make SuperPac commercials ground zero in this election. Citizens United also made it easier for cash rich / talent poor candidates like Romney to crush underfunded opponents in the primaries. Now that it’s game time, and Mitt doesn’t have a 10-1 money advantage,.. well, look for yourself.

    The GOP pushed for the Super PAC weapon, but so far it has only done them damage

  • hwgood

    From recent elections to the Chick-Fil-a all-day lines, it would be hard for anyone to not “get” it.
    The RNC just doesn’t “want” it.

  • sarg01

    The people already hate it.

    At least, everyone who’d feasibly vote for Romney hates it.

    What we need to do is make it plain that just because we oppose Obamacare doesn’t mean we’re OK with the status quo.

  • goodgovernance

    Not going to fly. Not even with the moderates.

    Moderates will not respect Romney for pandering to them when the Chicago gang will just point out Romney pandered to the Right when he us during the primaries. Then they’ll just look at the mismatch between Romney’s record and his rhetoric, and realize he’s all over the map.

    Mitt needs to stand firm on a conservative agenda, and make a clear distinction between himself and Obama, not just by criticizing Obama, but embracing conservatism.

  • Bill S

    In case you hadn’t noticed, it is the conservatives who are winning the primaries this year. Not the moderates. Being a moderate means having no principles. I think many voters are realizing this and voting for the candidate that seems to have the most dependable principles.

  • uncmike

    I saw the ad calling Romney a killer this morning but also articles here and elsewhere on conservative sites debunking it–even CNN supposedly questioned the ad. And there is the bit you mention about violation of the Federal Election laws–at that point, I thought this would be a minor issue and even blow back on the Obama campaign. And then Saul comes out and blows the whole thing up with her idiotic comment. I was not for Romeny but had decided to hold my nose and vote for him and still will, but I am now wondering whether, with advisors like Saul, he will make it. They are not conservative and they live inside the Beltway bubble and have no idea how people in fly-over country think, including many of them like myself who believe in tea party principles. The obama handlers must be giddy tonight as they observe the fall out from Andrea’s comment. God help us.

  • sarg01

    Look, people are crazy in Massachusetts. They think government power is something to be desired, not feared.

    If you’re going to be Governor of Mass, you’re going to have to do some things that are bad for the people — the people will demand it, and we do, after all, live in a democracy.

    Politicians do stupid things all the time to please the left/media. Obama promised to set a bunch of likely terrorists free on “Day 1″ of his administration, and even the most leftist President of my lifetime wasn’t prepared to actually go through with that once he got into office. I know it’d be nice to occasionally have a pol pander in the right direction — but the truth is the media is facing the wrong way, and the pols have to play to the media.

  • renl57

    Romney’s whole campaign against Obama is that Obama is a failed President.

    Romney is never going to stand up in front of a debate audience or a bunch of reporters and say that his signature achievement in MA was a mistake. Because then he would be called a failed governor, and that will be the end of his candidacy.

    Romney has repeatedly defended RomneyCare in interviews. But he’s also said that unlike ObamaCare, he has no intention of forcing it on other states that don’t want it.

    Romney has enough critics calling him a flip-flopper without him flip-flopping on the biggest piece of legislation he signed into law as governor.

    If the citizens of MA are reasonably satisfied with RomneyCare, then it was a positive achievement even if folks in other states wouldn’t like it. They don’t get to vote in MA.

    As I’ve said before, the principle of Federalism doesn’t just protect conservative states from liberal Administrations in Washington. It also protects liberal states from conservative Administrations in Washington. For example, even a President Gingrich could not force Vermont to abandon its own state-wide single-payer system.

  • uncmike

    real conservative politicians for staff help. And the money being wasted on pro Romney ads that have the bite of a toothless tiger. Give us a break Mitts.

  • Samsara

    But his line on RomneyCare has been “what right for Massachusetts isn?t right for everyone”. Well, kiss that one goodbye. I listened to Limbaugh today. While he is still as sharp a critic of Obama as ever, my impression is that Rush?s heart isn?t really in it when he tries to explain Romney’s flip flops and mistakes. And who can blame him if he secretly is indifferent to a Romney presidency. Imagine how hard it would be… spending four years….three hours a day?. defending Romney to a conservative audience. Ouch.

  • jude68

    I hear this all the time…but I am sorry Sarg is correct he needs to be able to address more people than just the far right. I am sorry but everytime Romney does something conservatives do not like they burn him at the stake. You never see Liberals do that to Obama and that is why they win national elections and conservatives lose. They are good on the fringe but crush their own and then lose and then cry in the corner like babies. I am sick of it! We have Obama for that exact reason and will again because once again, just like in the primaries, conservatives crush their own and then lose and cry in the corner. History History and History…BOO HOO!! God it is just maddening how bad conservatives are and it is clear why they lose elections. Romney is not perfect no and this crap that what Ms. Saul said is like Jesus on the Cross proves my piont.

    End the election it is over!! Conservatives will make sure Romney loses and then for the next 3 years in this place they will whine, complain, condemn, curse and be utterly useless!!

    No need for the GOP convention Mitt….you lost….lets end this now…save your money….no need to have polls…YOU LOST! Can you not see the loss already…the Conservatives are crying with their sand box again and because Ms. Saul said this THEY ARE VERY MAD AND GOING TO TEACH YOU A LESSON MITT!! These fools shoot themselves in the feet all the time. Hence Obama is going to win…their is not hope for the Conservatives on a national level. They will win some Tea Party elections which I love like Ted Cruz but we cannot win nationally. After seeing Erick and other conservatives attack Romney over this childish and unimportant remark I am convinced Obama will win.

    I just wish we would cancel the GOP convention,,,pass on the Presidential election and worry about the House and Senate…make no bones about the Presidential election is over….the Conservatives will guarantee a loss!! To act like they have today over something so ridiculously stupid is revealing. No I do not like what Ms. Saul said but the WOUND is being inflicted by the Conservatives. She was ignorant for what she said but we have given an entire opening the MSM to attack Mitt and GOP on not being unified and divided. Simply put a divided house cannot stand…Liberals never do this to each other….Conservatives do it all the time! Hence they have the WH and will in Nov….These pages will be on fire with all the crap Obama will do over the next four years…LOOK IN THE MIRROR FOR YOUR ARROGANT PRIDE FOR ALLOWING!!

    There is no Perfect Candidate that Conservatives will ever support! Erick go for a run in 2016 and see how you do!!

    I love my conservatism but this reaction today has been one of the most childish I have ever seen. What she said was dumb but to say that it was LIKE DEATH is just unbelievable to me!!

    Romney is not the attack dog many want…PURE AND SIMPLE….it has never been in his DNA for better or worse….Newt was and look what he had happen in the GOP primary!

    I wish others would have run and ALL CONSERVATIVES would have united but we did not…Santorum and Newt attacked each other the base split and we have Romney…that is what happened!

    Romney would not have been my first choice….but I will be darned if I am going to sit around and listen to the same KNOW IT ALL CONSERVATIVES that always lecture crap and then lose not take credit for the garbage they cause as well!

    I could care less about being attacked in here…the election is over and people commenting in here is why!! No Romney is not perfect but State Rights are State Rights whether you like it or not…Federalism is not a one way street. Romneycare passed on a State Level which is the Foundation of Federalism….Obamacare is a nationwide nightmare that effects everyone and there is nowhere to go to get away…States you can move and leave….Romneycare is only affecting Mass….I would not support it and would leave but that is guaranteed under the US Constitution which Conservatives love to defend….guess what….they means Mass had the STATE RIGHT to bring in Romneycare…DEAL WITH IT!! State Rights are two way street!

  • sarg01

    I’ m also aware that there’s no such thing as centrist policy and that the very concept of moderate can mean only a couple things: “apathetic”, “ignorant” or “haven’t actually sorted through my beliefs”.

    The apathetic don’t vote in great numbers, so you have to pander to the ignorant (with campaign commercials) and the uncertain. Can you win both groups with a show of unflinching strength? Damn right you can — but not Romney. You have to exude confidence. That’s just not going to happen with Romney. He can’t win off chutzpah. He’ll win by default if he can establish any emotional connection with the moderates at all.

    The trouble is, those “haven’t sorted through my beliefs” crowd expect things that can’t be delivered. Of course they want low taxes. Of course they want small government. They also want coverage of pre-existing conditions. They also want no one to ever be laid off, ever. It’s vital that we make them believe our guy wants all that stuff, too. And truthfully, he surely does — he’s just smart enough to recognize it’s not actually possible to deliver all that.

  • checkmate2012

    and yes, a one-liner can do damage, but in the big pic, not so much.

    If this is our focus, instead of O lying about his Mom’s death/insurance on the constant campaign trail, getting birth control is a women’s right that R’s want to take away and all should pay for while bringing out the Fluke b* and soon Jimmy I hate America Carter to the DNC and Burton took money from Iran and Treasury stiffed Delphi pensions for non-union workers, and ads accusing Romney of being a murderer and his mouth saying R is a felon, etc, then put a fork in us. We’re done.

    Geez as wcp says!

  • Samsara

    not

  • jakeofalltrades
  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    My housekeeper tends not to cheat me knowing that I can replace them with one of their competitors.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    nt

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    They are by definition apolitical; all you have to do is convince them you are better than the other guy. It’s your base you have to convince to turn out equal to or better than the other guys base and Romney was winning that war. Another reason ticking them off is a bad idea.

  • johnCV

    I have read a number of your posts and they all have several things in common:
    - Your arrogant, derogatory and abusive language to anyone whom you disagree with (actually who disagrees with you)
    - Your sycophantic allegiance to Romney
    - Your apparent hatred of the Tea Party

    In a post above you write:

    You may not like Romneycare but the hallmark of Federalism is State Rights. Sorry but if you believe that then suck it up because Mass has something other States DO NOT!! Heck we have that all over the US?.either you support State Rights or you do not!! You will not always like what a State does but you can move or leave?.BUT I cannot stand conservatives who only support State Rights when they get what they want!! NO STATE RIGHTS ARE STATE RIGHTS!! I would not want Romneycare and I would have left the state but I respect Federalism! You live with US CONSTITUTION AND DIE BY IT!!

    You seem to be clueless that the very concept of state sponsored heathcare is pure progressivism regardless of at what level it’s instituted. Any politician that would bring such a program into existence effectively has no Conservatism in them because it undermines the very basis of the founding principle of Self Determination and personal responsibility. Read some history particularly of the founding of Jamestown. The Founders were wise and learned men who understood not only political systems, but human nature, and created a system so unique that in 200 years of existence, it allowed people from every race/creed/ethnicity to surpass all nations that came before it. If Romney believes state health care fits that system and is not anathema to it, then he is part of the problem. His actions speak louder than his words. His new words may sound good, but he has already betrayed them. Everything you list in your response to me is his stated policy – nothing he has actually done.

    I never called him a liberal and I never said that he and 0bama are the same. Only a arrogant moron with reading comprehension issues would make that inference. He is clearly to the right of King Putt. My point was that getting Constitutional members of the Senate and House will make a bigger stride towards reclaiming the Constitution than electing an ersatz Conservative. Or if 0bama manages to re-occupy the presidency. That is our only hope to maintain our republic – we’ll get very little help from the executive in either case.

    On a personal note, you know nothing about me or what I do/have done to get Conservatives elected. You actions are like some small-minded prog troll inciting problems where they don’t belong. Go back to dkos where insulting, stupid behavior is looked upon as a positive attribute. Redstate posting protocol limits how much further I can take what else I’d like to say to you.

  • littlehouse18

    nt

  • raginpatriot

    Pandering to moderates works great!

    Yours Truly,

    President Bob Dole
    President John McCain

    P.S. It got me a second term! — George H. Bush

  • raginpatriot

    You’re right — it’s who he is. It’s who the GOP leadership is.

    Read my lips, he’s going to be a maverick who’s going to reach across the aisle while he promotes compassionate conservatism.

    We have to get Obama out by voting for Romney — but blaming Saul is just rationalization on the part of those who, beyond all evidence, want to believe that Romney is at least somewhat conservative. She and Norm Coleman and the rest reflect Romney’s views … otherwise he wouldn’t have chosen them.

  • gmscan

    Why do you need a press spokesman saying dumb things? Press spokesmen are paid to NOT say dumb things. Let’s see Romney be strong on this.

  • gmscan

    and move on.

  • poorwilber

    It was reported that Romney said the Boy Scouts should consider homosexual Leaders and members….although they should decide their own policy….WTH?

    Connected to this, he refused to comment on the Chick-FIL-A incident. What a missed opportunity, to say that Mr. Cathy’s heartful and honest views should NOT make him a TARGET of economic destruction by ELECTED Goverment OFFICIALS!!!

    What is going on???….Did the campaign hire Steve Schmidt back on as a consultant??? Conservatives, especially social conservatives will be getting nervous.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Bringing us lots of shiny objects from the Obama campaign and media.

    On the other hand, Romney’s stance on the Boy Scouts is right.

    I personally agree that the Boy Scouts should not, ideally, discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, but I believe that they have the right to do what they deem fit to fulfil their objectives and provide the best environment for the social, physical, moral, and spiritual development of their members. I?m sure most Conservatives would not disagree.

  • kowalski

    Who don’t like Romney still have accounts at Bank of America?

  • commonsenseobserver

    Very nice indeed.

  • gekster

    now you agree with him.

    Nicw. Very nice.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Very nice.

  • kowalski

    On everything you touch, you’re guilty. That’s intentional.

  • ChattDawg

    If this is what Willard has in his campaign, it’s the gang that couldn’t shoot straight. He’ll make McCain’s campaign look like Reagan’s ’84 campaign at this rate.

  • fpete13527

    nt

  • gekster

    before you posted those links.
    I’ll wait.

  • commonsenseobserver

    You’re struggling here again, Gekster.

  • gekster

    Yoyr good at links with no substance.
    Show me.

  • gekster

    I have them, do you?

  • commonsenseobserver

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/08/08/the-moment-all-the-doubts-about-romney-resurfaced-on-the-right/#comment-191725

    “I think Governor Romney?s views are right. I personally agree that the Boy Scouts should not, ideally, discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, but I believe that they have the right to do what they deem fit to fulfil their objectives and provide the best environment for the social, physical, moral, and spiritual development of their members. I?m sure most Conservatives would not disagree.”

    It must really be because you don’t read enough that you don’t understand.

  • gekster

    Give me the time stamp on you comment supporting Romneys position,
    and the one when you posted the two links.
    Which came first.
    Inquireing minds want to know.

  • commonsenseobserver

    It verifies my claims and proves that your assertions are false. I have backed the Republican nominee for President of the United States staunchly.

    The time stamps can be found in the same comments. That is all.

  • riverwood

    An entertainer. Don’t take everything he says as gospel. I happen to think that her statements this morning were off message, but the sky isn’t going to fall on this campaign over one mistake.
    I’ve also noticed something else here. Whenever someone makes an error the first and immediate reactionis “fire them”. Good gosh..if anyone who posts here owns a business I hope you are a little more tolerant of an employee that makes a mistake rather than frog marching them to the door.

  • commonsenseobserver

    She’s basically also saying that Obamacare would have saved the man’s wife.

    Not the message we need to send. Team Romney needs to sort things out, like they (and McCain before them) did to win the primaries.

  • commonsenseobserver

    At least read the comment, and understand that both the links to the articles, and the comment defending Governor Romney, were in the same post, and thus at the same time.

  • riverwood

    I meant respectfully

  • elizaliza

    but what she actually believes!

    Any which way, it’s a disaster, and the more this gets talked about , the more it will hurt Romney.

    But I don’t think Libertarians/ will sit this one out, they better play along with us if they know whats good for them, or else ….

  • elizaliza

    … being a health care disaster since Romneycare, cos I’m preparing for a debate. Do you happen to have a link or a site for these kind of statistics? I can’t seem to find anything via google.

  • elizaliza

    sorry, you’re confusing. your support for Romney is NOT support for Romney? What kind of doublespeak is that?

  • gekster

    In the same comment, you have tried to show Romney a homophobe, but have also showed suppoert for him.

    You have claimed support for him in the second half of your comment,
    while in the first half painted him as a homophobe with your links..

    Did I miss something here in dragging you through this?
    Oh wait.
    You are much more smarter than me in this game.
    I chose one side, while your first commen yout tried to play both.
    Mybad.
    I bow to your superior intellect.

  • elizaliza

    … makes a compelling statement. The amazement on liberal sites is not the comments Saul made, they don’t really notice the stuff they agree with, but indeed, the severe and harsh overreaction by conservatives like EE. Which is weird, imho.

    It’s perhaps that overreaction which will cost us the election. It’s a distinct possibility.

  • elizaliza

    Huh? Primaries, schmimaries! I hope you do realize that primairies are NOT the General Election, right? Or?

    Cliff notes:
    Primaries: Campaign hard to the periphery, do the red meat thing.
    GE: Campaign hard to the center.

    It’s called reality.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Grasping at straws here. Certainly, you can rant on and on about your homophobe nonsense while Governor Romney cruises to the White House.

    All I did was to post the links showing what Romney said, summarise his position, and then explain why I supported his position. If you can’t understand that, it’s because you don’t read enough.

    Read the full comment, for Pete’s sake. And shut up with your lies. You’re really struggling.

  • elizaliza

    … indeed! He would repeal obamacare in name only, and he would replace with something similar, but call it differently. He said as much. What he never says, is how he’s gonna pay for it.

    That’s actually how you can tell that Romney’s really NOT a conservative, cos he NEVER says how he’s gonna pay for stuff. Never any specifics. I’ve got a healthy distrust of most anything and I certainly don’t believe in the “tax cuts pay for themselves” fairytale, not anymore.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Firstly, I didn’t write the original post slamming Mitt on the Boy Scouts issue.

    Secondly, I posted the links to the articles about Mitt’s position. I accept that.

    Thirdly, in the same post, I summarised Mitt’s position. I accept that.

    Last but not least, I then proceeded to explain why I supported Mitt’s position. That makes all the difference.

    If you consider posting links on this issue to be calling Gov. Romney a homophobe, I welcome you to continue arguing for that point.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Or tax cuts, for that matter.

    He can’t pay for something that saves money (repealing and replacing Obamacare).

    And he could be more specific on taxation, but he’s embraced the Bowles-Simpson approach which actually brings in more revenue. Though he still wants to keep taxes low, of course.

  • gekster

    What did I post that was wrong.

  • Bill S

    Bob Dole
    John McCain
    George H W Bush

    Failure.

    Now run along back to your bridge.

  • gekster

    but then in the same post said I agree with Romney.
    It was I who posted links to show Romney was a homophobe, but then denied I agreed with that. (if you don’t agree, then why the post)
    It was I who posted …. never mind, the troll/moby won’t get it.

    ps: idiot

  • gekster

    which you have proven time and time again.

    I can prove you’re an idiot, can you prove I am a lier?

    I have your posting history which proves you are, well, no one cares.

  • commonsenseobserver

    But you probably don’t understand, because you don’t bother to try reading at all.

    I posted links to the articles about Romney’s position on the Boy Scouts issue, I summarised his position, and I explained why I supported it, because I, like Romney, believe that the Boy Scouts have the right to act as they deem fit without government pressure, even if I personally believe that everyone should be able to participate. I posted that to show Romney’s position and correct the original poster,who was concerned about Romney’s commitment to social conservatism.

    I stauncly back the Republican nominee for President, and I never labeled him a homophobe. That is false.

    You’re a pathetic liar.

  • commonsenseobserver

    In fact, prove that anything in the links claimed that Romney is a homophobe. Prove how my defence for Romney is mutually exclusive with explaining and summarising Romney’s position, with the help, of course, of the articles.

  • commonsenseobserver

    But never mind about that.

    What is clear is that you have engaged in severe and dishonest distortions of my positions and arguments. You have lied. You are a pathetic liar because you cannot support your claims and have resorted to gross distortions of the truth.

    So put up or shut up, as a great man once said.

  • gekster

    you have not disproved any of my accusations, other than insult me,

    And tell me again how you support Romney in the instance and then post articles that repute that same position.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Gosh.

    I have linked to my comment, and yes, it does prove that I linked to articles outling Gov. Romney’s position, before summarising and defending that position in the same post, in order to correct a previous poster who had criticised Gov. Romney’s support for admitting homosexuals to the Boy Scouts.

    It is in the original comment. Please be more specific if you want more proof.

    Until then, you are a pathetic liar.

    And who was it who started it by calling me “commononsenseobserver”, for a post I didn’t even make?

    You’re grasping at straws here, Gekster. You’re really struggling again.

  • namohalko

    I could get behind. Sununu rocks.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Yes it was.

    You should have while you were ahead and not made a dumb comment of your own.

    “not a spokeswoman who was speaking for herself!” … that makes NO SENSE.

    She was defending Romney, and she did it badly. We need the Romney campaign to know this was a screw up. They need to get their act together or they will lose the election, and not due to what Erick says but what they do.

  • goodgovernance

    George W. Bush did tack to the center in 2000, with his compassionate conservatism. And we all know Bush didn’t really govern as a conservative, either. Though plenty of us on the Right liked him (myself included) all the same, despite that.

    You do have to have a different campaign style in the general than you do in the primary, though that doesn’t mean you necessarily change your positions.

  • edintexas

    I’m so glad you feel competent to speak for “most Conservatives”. Unfortunately, there are no metrics which can prove your position, and any polling would be suspect as people have been conditioned to avoid speaking their mind on the issue if they disagree with the PC position.

    How about you just speak for yourself?

  • commonsenseobserver

    Regardless of our personal views…

  • duanej

    You’re both pretty. No one gets the tiara. This kind of back and forth should either 1) not happen or 2) be taken off line.

  • its2l82w8

    burke, you write

    “Whatever Romney?s personal views are, I am confident that if conservatives hold his feet to the fire, he could be a team player and move the country in the right direction as president.”

    Why do you believe that? It certainly can’t be because of his record as Governor of Massachusetts. And, as you note, he doesn’t seem able to staff a campaign with conservatives so why do we expect he could staff an Administration?

    So, please help me to understand why you believe Romney will be a conservative in office. I want to believe this, but just don’t see any evidence.

  • edintexas

    1. I could be mistaken, but IIRC, were it not for Olympia Snowe’s vote to move Obamacare out of committee, it would not have gotten to the floor for a vote at all. She doesn’t deserve a totally free pass because she joined the other 39 Republicans in voting against cloture, or that she voted against the final bill.

    2. The President can’t repeal Obamacare. He can sign the bill repealing Obamacare IF the Republicans control the House and Senate (the latter with a filibuster proof majority). Hypothetically, Romney could even believe in Obamacare and pledge to repeal it on the basis that the probability that he will need to stick to that promise is significantly less than 50-50.

    3. Romneycare is Obamacare (just barely) Lite. It matters if Romney still believes in it, “only on a state level”. It isn”t just a “…Mass law from last decade.” It is an early template for Obamacare and, by extension, eventual national health insurance.

  • edintexas

    A “severe and harsh overreaction” would be kicking her, several times, in the derriere. An appropriate response would be telling her to clean out her desk in 15 minutes and advising security that she doesn’t come back in the door. A spokesperson is not a free agent. He is seen (or should be) as reporting what “the boss” thinks, says and has for a position on issues.

  • rabun1016

    I think Romney is thoughtful, well read, and you don’t have the top grades in your class at a non-drinking school (BYU) without being a very hard worker when no one is watching. I think he will be a very conservative president, correctly influenced by data and values arguments and positions, if we can just get him there.

    This type of error typifies modern campaigns. The idea now is that the fifty year olds get the big contract with the RNC and the candidate, hire a bunch of 20 and 30 somethings to do the work, a la modern corporate structure, and then sit back and keep memoirs so they can write a book. Andrea Saul did the very best her seven years since Vanderbilt prepared her to do. But, blame her boss at Stevens and Schrieffer who put her there and sent her on TV. What’s she supposed to do? Steve Schmidt is on my personal “shirt” list for all time due to the McCain disaster. But, if Romney loses this, Stu Stevens needs to be the name and guy that all conservatives remember forever and hang in effigy. And if he wins it, I will be the first to congratulate him.

  • krish

    Remember how Romney was happy when his PAC eviscerated Newt! He would Not even distance himself from the ad!! Now, his camp & all the RINOs including some conservatives are crying about the same tactics that he did to his primary opponents! They want Obama to do what he failed to do! At that time the Romney supporters were all over the place telling everybody this is part of the campaign & Newt should not cry about it.

  • krish

    I have posted many times here that if we keep giving Romney leeway now when we have some power, imagine what will happen once he get elected! Every time, somebody wants to put some pressure on Romney to stay on “somewhat” conservative side of the issues, Rombots, RINOs & even “so called conservatives” get all angry with the person who brings it up! If Erick, Levin & few others do not put pressure on Romney camp, when November comes along, whatever differences between the candidates will shrink….that will play in to the hands of the Obama camp!

    Conservatives are getting tired of the republican routine….the other side is so bad & so you have no other way….as Erick points out that there is real danger of people sitting out if they see no point in voting for Romney.

  • edintexas

    That wasn’t the grammatical construct of your post. You stated that “…most Conservatives would not disagree.” with everything which was posted in the previous (and only other) sentence in that paragraph, If you had narrowed your stipulation of what it was that “most” would not disagree with to only the proposition that the Scouts have the right to restrict membership, I’d agree with you. But that isn’t what you wrote.

    Words mean things.

  • edintexas

    Could you control the verbal flatulence?

  • edintexas

    This wasn’t the only unforced error by the campaign. There was the Chic-Fil-A “That isn’t part of the campaign” faux pas (or, in cruder terms, and keeping with the errant dog theme, that was peeing on the legs of your base).

    Then we have the “Agree with” Dear Leader that the Scouts should admit Homosexual Scouts and Leaders. Fewer members of the base, perhaps, but still…

    And then there is this unforced error. There seems to be a pattern here – and Erick’s point is the Romney camp needs to be reminded of who the base is, and what the base believes. You don’t win elections by giving the base a reason to question your support for the base (that’s you don’t win by dissing the base for folks in Rio Linda).

  • edintexas

    Samsara in effect said I don’t like firing people and you said “Me too”?

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    I like my housekeeper being in a market where they can be replaced if they don’t give me value for my money (it is my standard remark when I see the line) and yeah I saw the not in the post.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    What I was being snarky about…

  • Samsara

    What I meant was this; Romney said he liked being able to fire people,.. but now that he needs to fire people he doesn?t.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    made it plain I was not snarking at your point and agree with you…

  • edintexas

    I expect him, and his mouthpieces, to avoid it like the plague – not voluntarily pass on a gift handed to them by Dear Leader’s bunch and instead bring up his support for it,

  • edintexas

    This person is engaging personal insults, a violation of the site rules.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The people saying Obama = Romney have it coming.

  • PowerToThePeople

    nt

  • Bill S

    .

  • checkmate2012

    n/t

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    not just the UAW: “?Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry.”

  • poorwilber

    RINOs have the right to remain silent, but lack the ability.

  • poorwilber

    Pandering to moderates, Steve Schmidt style, will loose the election.

    Romney’s behind because women are not polling well for our nominee. RINOs are blaming conservatives for pulling Romney to the right in the primary.

    There dead wrong. The polling is lagging because working women have not been affected by Obamanomics like male counterparts. The economic message Romney is touting is not moving them.

    However, Romney needs to first develop a personality, and second speak to the imminent jepardy that out of control spending will place Social Security (women live longer) and their childrens future. Becoming Democrat-lite, will cause another epic fail.

  • Bill S

    This is a conservative and Republican web site. No one is saying vote against Romney. But he deserves at least a little pressure to push him farther right. I will be the first to ban someone who calls for votes against Romney or who says “I’m staying home!!!11!”. But the kind of whining and unhinged idiocy you’ve been spouting here is gonna stop. The commenters here are well-justified in critiquing Romney and his policies. It is our responsibility to try to move our nominee in the right direction, just as it was when we moved George W. Bush away from some of his more infamous centrist stupidity (Harriet Miers?).

    Now knock it off.

  • commonsenseobserver

    I acknowledge and apologise for that. I meant that most Conservatives would not disagree with the second part, or at least I believe that. :P

  • johnCV

    I stumbled upon Redstate.org in 2003 or so and really enjoyed the dialog, insights and the great give-and-take arguments found here. It unfortunately has become just some echo chamber for Republican party drones only. A place where ‘moderators’ apparently approve bad behavior if they happen to agree with the mindless idealogue making the insults. There have been some outstanding contributors come and go (and a couple are still here now), but I don’t recall the nastiness that is brought to bear on someone who dissents from the groupthink.

    Toe the party line or you’re not welcome seems to be the mindset – who needs another LGF? So who corrects the Party when they veer off course if everyone should just shut up and be a cheerleader?

    BTW Neil, did you even bother to read what I wrote?

  • Bill S

    While you loosely imply that oppo to Romney is not productive, your style of engagement here is intolerable.

    Bye.

  • Bill S

    That was intended to respond to jude68, not to you johnCV. Sorry about the screwup

  • Bill S

  • Bill S

    Just took a bit longer than I anticipated.

    (not Neil – jude68)

  • http://abo.dr-rjp.com DrRJP

    you’re already lost.

    The key is to start off by saying, “This ad stinks to high heaven,” then gather the details.

    Voila! The details stink worse.

    Wife dies six years after Romney left Bain. What kind of cancer? Which part of “self-check” did she miss? Mammogram anyone? Rare variety? Bad diagnosis?

    That’s Romney’s fault? Stupid libtards will eat it up.

  • Cornholio

    But you spelled “entirety” wrong.

    I think the majorityentirety of folks who are willing to vote for Romney are motivated because they wish to see BHO out of office by the beginning of the next term.

  • lineholder

    It isn’t really an article per se. Very short. Copy and paste below:

    “There has been barely a squawk from any significant and/or loud Democratic voice over Harry Reid?s tax accusations or the new Obama super PAC ad.

    And yet when Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul makes some stray, random remark about health care, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and Erick Erickson go code red in their criticism of Romney and his campaign.

    As a snapshot of a key metric ? control over their extended teams and keeping people in line ? Chicago seems to have a big advantage on this one.”

    That’s all of the “article”.

    http://thepage.time.com/2012/08/09/separated-and-unequal/

    Dems won’t hold their own accountable for lying their teeth, which we all pretty much knew to be the case. But I was surprised Halperin would consider using a “Chicago way is the better way” analogy given that the general emphasis on the Chicago-way being equal to thuggery, bullying, intimidation, back-room deals, corruption, and an overall mentality of misusing and abusing power.

    I thought it was a rather interesting set of statements on Halperin’s part and just decided to pass it on.

  • http://gardenslegal.com morstar150

    Last presidential election I was so fed up with the Republican Party and in particular John McCain that I entered a protest vote for Bob Barr. I knew that Obama was going to win but I felt it was important to punish the Republican establishment for turning into a democrat light party. I also thought that it would be good to see a black man rise to the highest office in the nation to show the world how far we have come. I reasoned that Obama would have to move to the center and govern as a moderate, which would have been about the same as McCain.

    Now, I am persecuted each day as I look at the mess that my thinking has wrought. This is the most dangerous person to ever hold the office. He has single-handedly emasculated our constitutional principles, mortgaged the future of our children while providing no collateral for the investment, and created a social-progessive form of government that doesn’t even resemble the United States.

    DON”T MAKE THAT MISTAKE AGAIN! I won’t. For goodness sake a bar of soap wold be better than that idiot Obama.

    The most shocking thing about this election is that there are people who actually support Obama, beyond the crooked Chicago political thugs and their Union henchmen. It’s scary!