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Todd Akin’s Dumb Comment vs. Obama’s Support of Infanticide

Todd Akin, the Republican Senate nominee in Missouri, made an inarticulate and rather dumb statement about rape and abortion on television in Missouri. He subsequently clarified his remarks. Congressman Akin, like many devout Christians, does not believe in a rape exception for abortion.

Naturally, the very same left that gave Joe Biden a pass on his “put y’all back in chains” comment is horrid by Todd Akin’s remarks.

Todd Akin was inarticulate. Some are now accusing him of being pro-rape. The people horrid by Todd Akin’s remarks are, I’m sure, thrilled to have a President who defended infanticide. I’ll take Todd Akin’s inarticulate remarks over an infanticide supporter any day of the week.

And no, this is not hyperbole. President Obama was the only member of the Illinois State Senate to speak in favor of the position that a child who survives an abortion and fully exits the womb can still be killed by the abortionist.

Exit point: The media barely spent any time on the shooter at the Family Research Council. I bet they’ll spent a whole lot more time on this than either the FRC shooting or even Ted Kennedy killing Mary Joe.

NOTE: Politifact disagrees with the statement about Obama and infanticide, but as is often the case, Politifact is obfuscating what Barack Obama said to help a Democrat. Politifact is, after all, the Walter Duranty of fact checkers complete with a Pulitzer Prize.

COMMENTS

  • bob570

    Obama’s attacks are not working, because they are about as out of touch with the people as he is.

  • reggie1

    Akin’s comment was ignorant, not inarticulate. Mostly on the subject itself, but also to the exposure from critics. Speaking as someone who has been looking forward to Air-Claire’s defeat in November, I awake today so very disappointed. I wasn’t an active Steelman supporter, but I suspected she was the better primary choice. Now I’m sure.

    There is a silver lining. Romney/Ryan made the right statement, quickly and to the point, distancing themselves not just from Akin but from banning abortion in the case of rape.

    Even more ignorant than Akin is those that think abortion is anywhere near being outlawed. Yet, the left makes claims like “Romney wants to end Planned Parenthood” (accidentally omitting the word “funding”). CNNABCCBSNBC must quote the Romney/Ryan statement, and unwittingly undermine all of the re-elect campaign’s efforts at claiming just the opposite.

  • wbcoleman

    Akin’s remarks were noticeable for their clarity. No one had the least little difficulty interpreting what he was trying to say. The problem was the content. Conservatives who are intent upon criminalizing abortion are going to sentence the rest of us to rule by the likes of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.

  • reggie1

    McCaskill endorsed Akin.

  • Donald Ayotte

    Obama and the progressive left are horrified by the use of the word infanticide for abortion.
    It is not only infanticide but it is serial infanticide. Whatever happened to common sense and birth control.

  • reggie1

    While I totally agree with its substance (that Obama supports infanticide, period), this is the time to be distancing ourselves from Akin. Who among us hasn’t criticized the left for their knee-jerk “everybody does it” responses? How is our infanticide response different?

    My preference is to point to R/R’s statement that they don’t disagree with abortion in the case of rape, let the implications of that statement undermine O/B claiming otherwise, and hold our noses for 4 more years of Aire-Claire. Standing behind Akin right now would ensure 4 more years of O/B.

  • kywrite

    that his original statement was right. Female bodies do react differently to nonconsensual sex, and those differences may make it less likely they will conceive. It was, however, dumb to say it; the science is far from settled, and the rate of conception in a rape is still much higher than zero. It’s a lot kinder to just say either you do believe in abortion in the case of rape or you don’t, and let the voters judge you from there.

  • Donald Ayotte

    Reggie1
    Everybody in politics make mistakes and slips of the tongue once in a while. If republicans don’t make mistakes ofter enough for the democrats taste, the progressive left will take a comment out of context and exagerate it, for demonizing purposes.
    Let’s not eat our own!!

  • reggie1

    Agreed, “Let’s not eat our own”.

    Let’s also not keep a gangrenous limb attached to our body for old time’s sake.

    One of my favorite differences between us and them is that we don’t circle our wagons around losing positions. Why should we make ourselves look like Stephanie Cutter who still claims the Cancer ad was not what it is, or like Debbie W-S who claimed not to know that ad was produced by Democrats?

    Akin, shmakin.

  • Donald Ayotte

    We’ve all got a different take on each situation and we all have a different perception when words are spoken and we all interpret these words differently.

  • gravelyvoicejim

    But I just don’t buy your deflection. Akin just gave Obama and McCaskill not just a broad brush, but a POWER brush to paint us all with. Right before the Republican national primary no less…red meat for the liberals just when we have started to make traction on the issues.

  • blackhawk

    We all hear how medicare and social security are destined to run out of money soon . How there are not enough paying into the programs to satisfy our longer life span.
    Why is this happening ?
    Well for starters we are killing all of our futures with massive numbers of babies being aborted.
    So far there have been over 50 million children aborted since 1973 . That’s over 50 million people that would have paid into both programs to pay for our aging population. Just as we have paid for those before us . Think about this . We now have 57 million seniors on S/S and medicare . Those 53 million babies would have grown up and did their part to keep the programs funded just as we did for our parents and grandparents .Politics destroyed the programs by ripping life from the wombs before they had a chance to breathe clean air .They would have added to the money that was dedicated to the programs until President Johnson and a democrat controlled Congress voted to use those funds to promote other social programs and leaving IOU’s to return the money which was never done.
    50 million ,plus , were just illiminated by a Supreme Court who felt it was a womans right to privacy which it claimed was guarenteed by the U.S. Constitution which it could not specifically find anywhere so the Court concluded that it was implied in either the 14th Amendment or the penumbra of the Bill of Rights.
    That decision by 7 old people with the power of God. Maybe it’s time to place an age limit to these people of absolute power and while were at it also the U.S. Congress.
    People ; They , including the Congress and President , allowed the future destruction of programs that so many of our older citizens now depend on. Think of it. Seven Justices along with the President and Congress were guilty of not only destroying these programs but took on the
    power of God by murdering our future in less than 40 years .
    I wonder how Almighty God will judge out goodness by these actions.
    I wonder how much longer He will allow this slaughter of the innocents .

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    Obama got away with his infanticide position, no doubt, and the leftist MSM defends him on the indefensible.

    Problem is, Akin’s comments are also indefensible, and no one in the MSM will be defending him

    We all know there is a double standard. But Akin may have just guaranteed that Harry Reid stays Majority leader. The double standard lives, but by that standard Akin must go.

  • mt2az

    “One of my favorite differences between us and them is that we don?t circle our wagons around losing positions.”

    Um, really? We lost out on multiple senate seats, and many more house seats in 2010 because we nominated people like Akin over the (very prescient) objections of the “establishment”, and dug in our heels even after it became clear that they were terrible candidate.

    This kind of response to Akin’s comments is likely just the start of that heel digging. I’d like to think folks have learned better, but I suspect not. By mid-week, this guy may very well have been made some sort of hero in parts of the party, and have money thrown at him like crazy.

    Hopefully not, but Erick’s response doesn’t bode well. “Inarticulate”? That’s really our line? Really?

  • PowerToThePeople

    By the way, you are so full of sh*t no matter how many times you repeat your nonsense.

    Idiot.

  • Bill S

    Only a sub-moron would think that a Senate candidate is going to sink a presidential campaign. You win the prize! Now crawl back under your rock and stop talking out your butt.

  • reclaimit

    Romney is already scrambling to redefine and make more moderate his abortion language, taking Ryan with him into Etchasketch land. This is what Obama does to candidates. He’s like a cyborg terminator. I’m completely fine with the baby killer language, even if it’s a stretch, factually. He deserves the smear for all the attention he brings to Bain and Romney’s taxes.

    But deep down, this is what losers do, and every second spent not talking about unemployment is exactly what keeps Dems smiling. Abortion! Yay! In late August, no less!

    For the love of God, Mitt. Move past this quickly.

  • smagar

    Yes, it will be a crying shame if the GOP loses an eminently-winnable seat at a time when we desperately need to take back the Senate. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in 2013=no meaningful reform at all.

    But, this is the Missouri GOP’s call. And, if Akin can contain the damage within his own state borders, then he should be OK. It doesn’t matter how many people in Massachusetts or Manhattan think he’s a Neaderthal—what matters is how Missouri voters respond.

    However, I DO NOT think the national GOP, or other GOP candidates, should feel obligated to saving Akin from his mistake. The national GOP undoubtedly expected to spend very little to unseat McCaskill. Akin shouldn’t expect the national GOP to short other deserving Senate candidates of funds, in order to save himself from the mess that he made, for himself, with his own mouth. (“What, I have to do TV INTERVIEWS as a Senate candidate?”)

    Akin should also understand and not complain if other GOP candidates disassociate themselves from his toxic and monumentally stupid remarks.

    For example, he shouldn’t expect Martha McSally in AZ2 to bone up on the details of how the female body reacts to consensual VS non-consensual sex, so that she can defend him when the Tucson Democrat-friendly media asks HER about this, in hopes of eliciting a macaca-like gaffe from her.

    Democrat-friendly media organs can use the Akin story as an excuse to talk about things besides Obamacare and our sick economy. Democrat candidates can gleefully point to Akin as an example of the “real” Republicans. For those of us in purple districts, Akin has earned a trip under the bus. Akin and the MO GOP should understand.

    BUT—if Akin can fix enough of the problems he’s created within his own borders, and get 51% of the vote in November, then he, and we, will be OK.

  • uberconservative12

    I just don’t understand how Akin can be this stupid-to make comments like he did (regardless of what he truly thinks) and think that would pass un-noticed. He’s toast now and the most sure thing we had th is election cycle–beating McCaskill is probably not going to happen. Harry Reid is the luckiest man alive. First Sharon Angle and now this.

    All Akin had to do was talk about the economy and failed leadership of the incumbent and hold on for 2 months and he blew it.

    Epic FAIL my friend. Maybe Akin can start a consulting business with Sharon Angle and Christine O’Donnell. Three people who just don’t know when to bite their tongues.

  • lerm

    And this one was unforced !

    What was Akins thinking ? If he really believes women should not be allowed to get an abortion after rape then he shouldn’t be allowed on the republican ticket.

    This senate seat is too valuable.

  • commonsenseobserver

    I believe Obama was trying to create a firestorm over Paul Ryan’s views on this as well. Rep. Ryan, of course, used to express opinions against abortion in cases of rape 12 years ago, but he’s now Mitt Romney’s running mate. It’s an opinion that’s widely-held in the Conservative movement.

    On the other hand, the content and messaging of Akin’s words… just misses the entire point of the Republican campaign and the pro-life movement.

  • renl57

    If you believe that abortion is the murder of a human being, then how the human being was conceived should be irrelevant.

    A baby conceived by rape or in vitro fertilization is just as much of a human being as a baby conceived by consensual sex between adults.

    The politically correct pro-life position that “Abortion is murder–but said murder is OK of the woman got pregnant through rape or incest” is morally inconsistent, a type of situational ethics: It’s only murder if the conception was consensual???

    Akin in his own dumb way was trying to be clever by claiming that it’s less likely that a woman can get pregnant through rape. That’s another red herring. Even if conception by rape is extremely rare (it isn’t), when it does happen, is aborting that fetus murder or not?

  • runner12

    I am as pro-life as they come, but I find Akin’s comments not only dumb, but insensitive. It is not his position on the issue of abortion that I have a problem with, it is his delving into an area that is so sensitive for women. Truthfully, it is every woman’s worst nightmare.

    I just cannot imagine what he was thinking when he made these comments. He should not be surprised if other GOP members disassociate themselves from him at all, even those who are staunchly pro-life. I am pro-life myself and cannot defend him on this one.

    It should be up to him to fix the issue he has created. He must sink or swim on his own. I refuse to be like the Left who defend their own when they make the worst comments just because they are on the same side.

    But EE was right to point out the hypocrisy of the Left. As awful as Akin’s comments were, O’s infanticide position is even worse. Yet no media coverage on that one will ever happen.

  • mschumacher

    Akin’s ill-advised comments are a great excuse, for anyone looking for excuses, to return McCaskill to the Senate. More ObamaCareTax anyone? Akin is not a two-headed monster. I will be voting in MO on Nov. 6 and you can be certain that it will not be for Leftist Claire McCaskill. Another round of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid? NO WAY. Get a grip people.

  • rj1913

    I’m not sure if there’s a good way to articulate a point by injecting arguments based on ignorance.

    If you believe as I do, that abortion is murder (taking the life of the unborn) and that life begins at conception, then surely you agree that rape or incest do not nullify that life and accordingly, that life should be protected. If one does not believe that life begins at conception, they should build their case around that. Rape and incest, as tragic as they are, are not part of the equation of when life begins. Congressman Akin’s “legitimate rape” concept and that women have some sort of “shut down” mechanism does nothing for his stand.

    Such statements have however, forced the Romney-Ryan campaign to take a clear stand, something I’m sure they would have preferred to avoid as they both have flip flop records on the issue. It appears that they are now officially Pro-Life-Lite.

  • streiff

    than I would any Khmer Rouge death camp.

    Unfortunately, all R/R will be able to do is eliminate federal funding. Too bad we can’t prosecute the employees.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Does anyone know anything about this?

    Or else, the Missouri GOP has to replace him by tomorrow, and/or go into full damage control mode.

  • Jack_Savage

    You really believe America would be better off if a Democrat occupied that Senate seat, huh? And if Harry Reid continued as majority leader?
    You’ve thrown a lot of bombs here. I think it is about time you support your position.

  • Ender

    in Lamestream news. Let’s hope it disappears quickly because it’s nothing more than a present to Obamacrats. Romney/Ryan already had to be distracted to address Akin’s stupidity.

    I wish our candidates aired evidence of their ignorance or low iq before the primaries instead of right after.

  • reggie1

    …not a “sub-moron”.

    As to your second point, don’t think that Akin’s ignorant statement isn’t going to peel off some degree of independents. More so, if we defend him. Do you really think our margin allows us that luxury of suffering this fool?

    By the way, scrolling this article’s comments, I notice the pro-Akin crowd is the one resorting (already) to rudeness like yours, “sub-moron”, “idot”, etc. I don’t take it personally. You all are just feeling the insipidity of your defense, subconsciously at this point.

  • GreyCloak

    Yes, (human) females’ bodies react differently to non-consensual sex … they’d generally want to kill the perpetrator rather than hug him. “Raped” cows may feel differently after the bull visits; only the rancher may be pleased with a new calf.

    Oh yes … a randomly timed rape may be statistically unlikely to produce a child, but it’s still a rape. Not ok, to say the least.

    The rate of conception in a loving relationship is also much higher than zero.

    Forget “the voters.” If you wish to be responsible, and speak out against abortion of children of rape, please prove your convictions by adopting one such child.

  • Jack_Savage

    And if the people who are calling for his resignation would put away their fainting hankies for a moment, they would too.

    Here is the situation Akin was trying to address:

    “Dr. Jones? Hi, it’s Buffy. Skip and I had too much chardonnay at the club last month, so he and my Daddy’s lawyers agreed that I was raped. Of course I won’t press charges, but really need to schedule a…family planning appointment. Does Thursday work for you?”

    That would not be a “legitimate rape”. Better language next time? Yes, I would advise it.

    As far as a woman’s body reacting differently when being raped, I have no idea. Akin should not have commented on the physiological aspect of it unless he knew what he was talking about. Big friggin’ deal.

    Abortion is abortion. Pregnancy resulting from rape is extremely rare, and the Akin was responding to what would turn out to be a gaping loophole in abortion laws.

    Either we support this holocaust as a people, or we don’t. It’s about damn time we decided.

  • Jack_Savage

    Really looking forward to that. Really.

  • commonsenseobserver

  • PowerToThePeople

    before they can be against the murder of a child? How about one must be a politician before caring about the state of our union? Or one must be a parent prior to caring about the abuse of a child?

    Your comment was stupid, try again.

  • Jack_Savage

    Really?

  • inletghost

    It’s quite inconceivable that in states not completely red, the local Republican activists and electorate would not consider elect-ability in a general election as one of the factors in deciding a candidate.

    That does not mean nominating a squish or a RINO but it means that to be aware you are not putting a Sharon Angle or Christine O” Donnell on the ballot. I don’t think it’s any surprise that this individual was the person the Dems hoped would be nominated.

    You can put the Missouri Senate race from “toss up” to “leans Democrat” as of this morning.

  • reggie1

    …in order not to support Akin. Why don’t you explain that one to me, since I certainly don’t support her. You’re the one that seems driven to support one or the other.

  • citizenkh

    About a decade ago, the safest incumbent sheriff in Louisiana was defeated by a real nutcase who did not have a chance. It was all about the rape issue.

    What happened is that women in the incumbent’s base just did not vote for anyone in the race, while voting all other races on the ballot.

    Liberal Dems sent a bagman to a preachers of a certain demographic a week before election day. I heard rumors of it from the head of the chamber of commerce, but confirmed it when the brother of James Carville bragged about it.

    The problem with any mention of rape is not the facts, but that it is an emotional issue for women. It is one of their greatest fears.

    This will NOT pass unless Akin does something major to address his error in judgement. He rolled all of his ammo down to the enemy.

  • Bill S

    You’ve captured it. Well done.

  • citizenkh

    and you better believe that this is not a fact or faith based issue with most women. It is an emotional one and one of their greatest fears he just enabled.

    I will be surprised if Akin even comes close now.

    This will not be the first time a candidate loses because of it.

  • Bill S

    The “pro-Akin” crowd is the crowd that wants to win a Senate seat. He’s the candidate. Pablum like you are producing doesn’t help, and again – your blatherings about how this is going to somehow impact the Presidential race are supported, as Jack Savage points out, by nothing more than your inane comments.

  • Bill S

    Seriously. Must you conform to Godwin’s Law on this?

    Pretty amazing to be talking about insensitivity and then make a dumbass comment like this.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    In attempting to attack Akin for being inarticulate and sounding awful out of context.. you were inarticulate and sounded awful out of context.

    Way to go.

    You somehow managed to shoot yourself in the circular firing squad.

  • commonsenseobserver

    Which Akin has dropped right into the laps of Senate Republicans, with a handwritten thank-you note from Harry Reid.

    I was alluding to the “holocaust”, ie. the tragedy of abortions, mentioned in the original post.

  • wbcoleman

    And even if you’re right about not advancing Obama’s prospects [and you're not -- this WILL make it more difficult for Romney] we know for sure that this facilitates another term for Harry Reid as majority leader.

  • wbcoleman

    In 2008 Obama’s votes in the Illinois State Senate were a relevant campaign issue. In 2012 they must certainly are not. This response to Akin just compounds the problem.

  • wbcoleman

    The blame belongs to the Republican primary voters who continue to nominate these people.

  • inletghost

    The GOP already has this “war on women” meme that they cannot get rid of. One can argue it’s unfair (I sure would) but one cannot argue it does not exist-the polls prove it.

    And now along comes a Republican Senate candidate offering both a biological fantasy (the female reproductive system “shuts down” during a rape!)and an unpopular absolutist political position (no exception for rape or incest victims in any abortion ban) that will resonate beyond Missouri.

    Rasmussen already had Akin 12 points behind McCaskill among women voters BEFORE he self immolated. Romney trails Obama by 10 points (Fox News) among women voters in its last poll. With most elections these days seeming to come down to a 2-3% margin of victory why do we seem hell bent on alternately ignoring/scaring/agitating half the electorate?

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Akins comment was dumb, ignorant and inexcusable.
    “inarticulate” doesnt cover the faux pas of “legitimate rape”, akin (but worse than) to Woopie’s “rape-rape” comment.

    “I am pro-life myself and cannot defend him on this one.”
    Dittos.

    I find most of Obama’s actions dumb, ignorant and inexcusable, but then I never supported him. So I find the ‘well Obama does worse’ defense lame. The hypocrisy and the stupidity of the left is no excuse for the same on our side.

  • dpmaine

    That this will swing the race. Sen McCaskill is on track to become former a Senator, with or without this.

    Rep. Akin simply needs to retract as he did, and move on.

  • dpmaine

    Rep. Akin almost had the right components in there, but he just completely ruined it.

  • furious

    It’s this generation’s Clayton Williams moment. Anne Richards won that race, too.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Well now he has a lever. They’ll probably wheel out the ‘war on women” trope again. Rather than have what will end up being a self-immolation by GOP candidates over this, it would kind of convenient to have Sarah Steelman be the nominee right about now … hence the question:

    http://www.redstate.com/wosg/2012/08/20/should-todd-akin-drop-out/

  • dpmaine

    But your point is spot on – the problem is that my wife – a sharp lady and a dedicated conservative – was repulsed that Rep. Akin would be involved in the position to influence policy regarding women’s issues.

    The “legitimate rape” comment smacked her of a male-privilege based society.

    The question could have been a homerun.

  • commonsenseobserver

    I think, but one that:

    1) Is a lot more delicate and definitely does not belong in a TV interview

    2) Should not be subjected to the distortion an election campaign

    3) Was phrased in a way that was insulting and ignorant, not only to women, but to all law-abiding citizens

  • dpmaine

    All Republican candidates need to know that the other side is going to do everything possible to find our weaknesses, and exploit them. Every time.

  • Jack_Savage

    You can only support one, or the other. Your comments indicate you do not support Akin. Therefore…

    Let’s also assume that the hyper-piety you seek happens – that Akin resigns, then commits ritual suicide to atone for this.

    Then what? And be specific.

  • Jack_Savage

    What do you suggest going forward?

  • Jack_Savage

    At least we know where to lay the blame.

    Women aren’t upset at credible allegations of rape against Bill Clinton. They aren’t worried that John Edwards was banging his videographer at the same time he was running for President. Anthony Weiner? No problem!

    But Akin? Beyond the pale.

    Got it.

  • reggie1

    I choose “neither”.

    Like Henry Kissinger said when handicapping the Iran-Iraq war: “It’s a shame they can’t both lose”.

    I’ll take any Republican over a Democrat any day. But I don’t have to pull the lever if I don’t wanna.

    Best of luck to Mr. Akin, he’ll need it.

  • Jack_Savage

    And even when you think you aren’t pulling the lever, you are.

    Congrats. And with friends like you, good luck to us all. We’ll need it.

  • reggie1

    …disingenuous.

    Notice what is being left out of his quote, that this is ‘his understanding from doctors’

    B.S.

    He is invoking an authority that doesn’t exist on this topic. No doctors share this opinion. Akin knew his position was individually indefensible, so he invented a shared opinion. It is intellectually dishonest, and we are better than that.

    Let him go, Jack. Let him go.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    It’s not recoverable.

    Allow the Missouri GOP to put whoever came in second onto the ballot.

  • adair

    I don’t want Barack’s Best Buddy-Girl back in the Senate. She was a good Auditor when that was her position in Missouri. She was elected because there were still some semi-conservative Dems then, and some Republicans who thought she was one of those rare birds, an even-handed, honest Democrat.

    The Missouri Dems are still mad at her because she gave her vote on Obamacare without getting goodies for the state, like La & Ne.

    She’ll run a McCain Primary style (hard-shell conservative, almost) campaign to suck the aghast Republicans and horrid (really!) Dems back into her web. Then just wait til Mitt Romney tries to get a strict constructionist Supreme Court Justice nominated and confirmed. Akin’s vote would be, I’m pretty sure, more reliable than hers.

    She wasn’t only supporting her President; she believes what he believes; and she felt she was in line for bigger things with Barry.

    Who isn’t tired of taking the lesser of two evils? This is like not voting McCain in ’08 because he’s a Rino; or not voting Romney in 2012 because he isn’t Reagan redux. Face, check nose.

  • reggie1

    …good luck won’t do it.

    Fortunately, our Akins are rarer than theirs. Why voluntarily increase the damage of an Aikin by 1. aligning yourself with him, and 2. alienating independents who may believe the left’s spin that Akin represents Republicans, which 3. you would be proving right by aligning yourself with him.

    Let. It. Go.

  • acat

    Wait. There’s no upside to that.

    Mew

  • 1spark

    And it’s a lot harder to keep this underwraps when the MSM catches wind of it.

  • reggie1

    Don’t confuse my being quick to recognize the obvious (or your slowness) as being “eager” to abandon Akin.

    Don’t disregard me as if I am not every bit as entitled to carry the Conservative mantle as you.

    Don’t judge anyone poorly in this matter, except Akin, who spoke stupidly.

    I am done with this conversation now. My positions is clear, as is yours.

  • adair

    is a comment that never gets made. These guys make their living distorting comments!

    renl57 nailed it. It’s a moral question, it’s the position Akin holds, but unfortunately he uttered eminently distort-able comments that will be harmful to his election efforts. And, yes, deflects away from jobs, debt, deficits, Medicare and Social Security.

    Does anyone believe that bouncing him will quiet the Democrats? That they will give up the war on women meme if Missouri has to send up another candidate? As far ahead as Brunner was in polling, you have to wonder if the Spanish tabulating machines were operational in Missouri. No, just probably Dems voting in the Repub primary.

  • proudgop

    US Senator Ron Johnson just tweeted he should step aside.

    I didnt think he should last night. He apologized for his comments and shame on Dems for making rape a debate

  • acat

    SHE ought to be able to put this mess down.

    Mew

  • arthurjake

    He shot himself in the foot. He made a stupid and insensitive comment that had he took ten minutes before running for office he could have fact checked on google.

    It doesn’t help our cause though writing articles keeping that keep it in the news. Conservatives shouldn’t bring up the issue at all like Eric did with his article. When asked about it they should just say the comment was stupid, make the moral argument, and say that Akin even though he made a stupid comment is still much more qualified than his opponent. Then quickly move onto the next topic.

    Saying that Democrats aren’t masters of emotional politics is stupid. This is the sort of thing they look for, a stupid comment they can make a large part of the voting population upset over. The more you focus on it or try to minimize it the more you help them.

  • kentucky

    His opposition to abortion in the case of rape means that he holds an unpopular position on a hot-button social issue. No big deal.

    His bumbling about “the female body shutting that whole thing down” would make him the object of ridicule. No big deal.

    It is the use of the term “legitimate rape” that is offensive. And the reason it is offensive is because the context in which he used the term (as a synonym for violent, brute force, or perhaps even coerced rape) seems to indicate that he doesn’t believe a woman who is raped while unconscious is the victim of a “legitimate” (as in “real”) rape. Now, perhaps Akin thinks this biological crap he is talking about also occurs when a woman is raped while unconscious, but that is not the impression that one gets from his comments. Really big deal.

    I hope he can recover and get back on message, but this feels like another Pete Hoekstra moment where the general election is instantly put out of reach.

  • acat

    appears to refer to the fact that, statistically, the number of women who claim rape when getting abortions.is somehow significantly out of line with the number of women who report being raped to the cops.

    IIRC, a lot of rapes go unreported, but .. given fertility roulette, either there’s a real crime wave that’s been going on for a very long time, or … more likely … women are lying to their abortionists.

    Mew

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    Politics aint bean bag, And if you are a candidate who believes strongly in a social issue then it is your duty to be (1) completely informed on the subject, (2) completely honest and (3) able to articulate your position in ways that are acceptable to the electorate.

    I would submit that Akin has failed in all three areas. So instead of being angry at the posters you ought to be angry at the man who is responsible to this blow to your issue.

    (it is my issue also, but there is no consensus in this nation for outlawing all abortion, so I cannot take it as seriously as do you. It is more necessary to change peoples opinions before any legislation has a possibility.)

  • Lucas Black

    It is a big deal. I was horrified by his comments. I pray that he steps down in the next 24 hours because as far as I am concerned, he has thrown away a seat.

  • kentucky

    but this is a hell of a thing to leave open to interpretation.

    BTW, I post infrequently but always look for your posts when I read the comments. Keep up the good work.

  • acat

    And let me encourage Cinco to expand on what “exemption” may be at play here.

    Mew

  • Lucas Black

    #2 was Brunner, but since Steeleman was right behind at #3, I’d rather she get the nod if he does step down. Putting a woman up would mitigate the damage. I honestly didn’t much care who won the primary – I figured all three would vote about the same – but that comment was beyond horrible. He should go to Bosnia and see how many women got pregnant from being raped during the war.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    His “legitimate”–which would have been more clear as “actual”–was not intended to distinguish between two levels of rape as you imply, but rather between rape and non-rape in the context of a greater temptation to falsely claim the former in instances of the latter if the exemption were available.

  • ffc99

    He’s talking about a legal regime where rape would be outlawed in all instances except in the case of rape or incest and how such a legal framework might encourage individuals who desired an abortion to claim “rape” in instances where no rape occurred.

  • Lucas Black

    Not because of that, though. It was because he rudely refused to shake her hand. But Williams was telling a joke with ‘the boys’ tasteless as it was. Aikin was on TV apparently making a serious policy statement.

  • lzny

    Erik — You should be encouraging Akin to step aside before a ballot deadline. He could cost Republicans the Senate or worse. He did not mis-speak he said something so absurd so absolutely wrong it gave comfort to those who oppose everything you stand for.

  • wbcoleman

    The issue isn’t whether you vote against McCaskill, of course you will, so would I if I lived in Missouri, the issue is the effect on the Missouri election and on races in other states. This is a catastrophe for Republicans generally

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    Multiple caveats needed: I don’t know beans about Todd Akin, his person, his positions, his opponent (beyond her name having long been derided here), or the situation on the ground in MO. I do, however, have 30+ years of decoding pro-life vs. pro-death statements, and in that light I am convinced that his use of the term “legitimate” was intended to express the concern that if abortions were somehow to be allowed only in the event of rape and/or incest–thus my (rape) “exemption”–a not insignificant number of instances of non-rape would be falsely claimed to be “actual/legitimate” rape in order to take advantage of said “exemption”.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    first instance of “rape” being “abortion”, I’m sure you meant.

  • civil truth

    Things look different this morning.

    The problem is that no matter how much you can intellectually try to defend the intent of Akin’s comments, the emotional and gut level impact of his statement and attempted apology go very deep.

    And unfortunately, a large proportion of the population vote on their feelings, especially when faced with the non-stop barrage of advertising and media conversation that characterize today’s campaigns. Rape is a third rail of politics – and Aklin grabbed the rail rather tightly, I’m afraid.

    1) And in particular, the phrase “legitimate rape” is a campaign-defining sound-bite albatross that not only will hang around Akin’s neck for the rest of this race (and perhaps his career) but have larger repercussions. There’s just no way that this can be mitigated, and efforts to do so turn it into a classic tar baby: the more you explain, the deeper the hole you’re digging.

    If Akin stays in, the phrase will stay in the media for a long time as the Democrats and their media allies confront multiple other Republican candidates with this phrase (e.g. “do you agree…?”) as they try to tar other candidates from R/R on down and the party as a whole.

    Regardless of whether other campaigns are affected (and I don’t, think they should have much effect if handled properly) this continued circulation of the phrase and issue will dog Akin for the rest of the race.

    Whereas if Akin leaves, then this becomes a “dead-horse”.

    2) The other disturbing point was Akin’s apparent appeal to anonymous authority to defend his position. This undermines voter’s assessment of his judgment and puts a fringe aura around him.

    3) The third problem is that Akin is running against a woman. Life isn’t fair – a Democrat would get more cover for such a comment. But we have to deal with the present tilted playing field – and running against a woman candidate, Akin has unloosed the gender wars aspect.

    Of course, if Akin stays in, then we need to stop feeding the flames. But since we have strong alternatives, we should seriously consider going to the bullpen. (Or cowpen in the case of Steelman…?).

  • Bill S

    Go the hell away.

  • acat

    You’re taller than I am.

    That said, your statement put, in my mind, the idea that perhaps abortionists wouldn’t ask so many pointed “are you sure?” questions of a woman who claims to have been raped….

    Mew

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    Because this gaffe has happened far from election time, and because his opponent is so weak. But it puts a sure seat back in play.

  • civil truth

    I go into greater depth below, but the problem as you’ve noted is that there is no way to turn this phrase into a positive. In a sound-bite world, this just can’t be redeemed.

    The phrase really is a tar baby – the more you try to redefine it, the more you get dragged into a no-win discussion.

  • jamesm

    This is the question that Akin needs to answer for himself. Answering this in 24 hours seems way too short of time. Could a ham sandwich win this seat for Repubs if Akin was out ..probably. Could Akin find a way to win? Don’t know.

  • profnickd67

    The idea that Planned Parenthood clinics — where other health-related services besides abortion are carried out — are the equivalent to the Killing Fields of Cambodia, and whose employees should be prosecuted (Really? Even those who hand out pamphlets and answer phones?), definitely indicates the legal sensibilities of some conservatives.

    And it gives some credence to the leftist claim that conservatives are the “American Taliban” and “Christianists,” who value religious decrees more than the Constitution.

    Assuming that the Constitution should be the law means abortion will be legal in some states — assuming that the Torah and the Gospel should be so means not.
    Conservatives need to make the choice whether God’s Word or the Constitution should be law.

  • califgal

    to speak to the press this morning. This is the kind of thing that reinvigorates a campaign like Obama’s. Already, the on the hour news on every radio station has played Akin’s apology on the Mike Huckabee show and juxtaposed it with Obama’s remarks about what happens when men interfere with a “woman’s health.

    So in the demographic from which R&R need votes, we just lost some and will continue to lose some if Akin stays. It reinforces the notion that the GOP is unreasonable at times when it comes to this subject and yes, Akins revealed his unreasoning ignorance on at least two points.

    In addition, we are supposed to have all eyes looking positively toward our convention, but now, because the news is what it is, “entertainment” and a search for sensationalism 24/7, this story will not go away and the top of the ticket will suffer.

    Ironically, if enough voters in MO dislike his opponent enough, Akin himself might survive but he would survive at the expense of other GOP candidates and this will attach itself to Ryan.

    In the old days, this would have been a national story that appeared at the end of the nightly news, once and done, and it would have either lingered or died as a local/state story. Those days are gone.

    The guy has to go…NOW! Ego be damned.

  • ffc99

    I may be a lot of things, but a supporter of legalized rape I am not.

  • Joshua Persons

    How do you get from a stupid comment about rape to defeatism on abortion? Or is it not defeatism? Do you think abortion should be legally permissible?

  • califgal

    that allowed progressives like the Triumvirate to come to power to begin with.

  • Joshua Persons

    Being pro-life isn’t the equivalent to advocating for theocracy.

  • acat

    there’s quite a few asking for clarity over what “legitimate rapes” means.

    Mew

  • acat

    depends on the replacement nominee.

    Put up the #2 vote-getter, Brunner, he’s gonna get tarred with it too. The Media and the Dems (but I repeat myself) will make the whole election about it.

    Put up the #3 vote-getter, Steelman, and it’s a different story. SHE can take out this dead horse .. fast.

    Mew

  • streiff

    who ignores reality.

    Over 1 million babies are killed each year via abortion. So, to the extent that the Killing Fields are dwarfed by the Planned Parenthood abattoirs you are right (750K Cambodians were killed between 1975 and 1979.

    Two other quick points.

    1. Abortion is not in the Constitution and historically has been illegal since about the 14th week since the inception of the Republic. Based on contemporaneous discussions it is unlikely the original states would have allowed abortion at any point had they the benefit of ultrasound.

    2. Using “Christianist” in a no ironic way marks you as a goof.

  • acat

    and some random Conservative Icon is pulled in, then we’re doomed.

    Mew

    p.s. I voted for that random conservative icon.

  • civil truth

    …and certainly she would defuse the gender-wars issue, whereas Brunner would be on the defensive from the get-go.

    But as an outsider, I didn’t want to give a preference to one candidate over the other simply because she was a woman – that’s up to Missouri Republicans, and I’m sure the gender issue would be part of their consideration.

    But if the party leaders pick someone other than these two, it would rank up there with the Keyes fiasco.

  • Jack_Savage

    What then? Except for me to beat my chest about my “sensitivity” and try desperately to claim the moral high ground the next time an ex-President with credible charges of rape leveled against him speaks at the Democrat National Convention, what then?

    I asked you a question you have so far refused to answer. Answer it, please.

  • septembergurl

    That will end the feeding frenzy but not solve the problem of beating McCaskill. As I remember Steelman and Brunner were within a point of each other with Brunner ahead.

    1. This is why we have runoffs.

    2. Next time do what Sarah tells you (Palin that is).

  • jamesm

    Now along with Sens. Johnson and Brown, Sen. Cornyn is saying this:

    ?Congressman Akin?s statements were wrong, offensive, and indefensible,? said Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, the chairman of Republican campaign efforts to win majority control of the Senate.

    Looks like his money is going to dry up. Reports are that American Crossroads is pulling their money out of Missouri.

    Sen John Cornyn has told Akin that the NRSC will not spend any money to help him get elected.

  • Jack_Savage

    I am not angry at other posters, I am simply asking what the next would be. No one has come up with an accceptable answer.

  • Jack_Savage

    I agree with reason number one – what we do about #2 is now what I am concerned about.

  • mong001

    Thanks for the lucid analysis. GOPers don’t help by piling on (otherwise known as eating your young). Akin, now that he’s apologized, should simply state that he doesn’t want to see any young woman who is scared because of an unplanned pregnancy or has suffered the trauma of rape to be taken advantage of by an abortionist looking to make a quick buck.

  • Lucas Black

    So far I have been happy to see the amount of pressure that has been put on him by the GOP to get out. Now, they can’t make him, but it’s been made plain to him that he’ll get no help from Crossroads or the National Party. I hope he’s smart enough to realize that he blew it. He has only himself to blame.

  • civil truth

    And tomorrow is the deadline for Akin to withdraw – else his name would stay on the ballot.

    Hopefully the Brunner and Steelman partisans can agree on who would be tapped for the spot.

  • jamesm

    would rather have any ham sandwich.

  • gflyer3364qt

    It was a boneheaded statement and I think the Republicans are over reacting to it. So if he drops out, is there another primary or does the 2nd place finisher get the nomination? Regardless, McCasketthatsnotmyprivatejetbasketcase is finished in Missouri.

  • rabun1016

    If he can’t overcome a gaffe like that, and credibly explain that he did not really know what he was talking about, and was badly misinterpreting conversations, he is not ready for the big leagues.

    Usually, the party rules provide for how a spot is filled once someone drops out, but I hope it doesn’t come to that.

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    Paul Ryan is solidly pro-life, and has a 100% pro-life voting record according to National Right to Life.

    Granted, he, like many other Republicans — and even many other pro-lifers, including Rick Santorum — voted to continue funding for Title X, which covers “family planning.” Personally, I regard all contraception as evil, and so should Ryan and Santorum if they are faithful Catholics. But in my experience, very, very few Catholics” think with the Church” on this issue. Some of that lack of understanding comes from letting one’s selfish interests block any understanding of things that might upset one’s preferred lifestyle. Some of it is the overwhelming pressure, permeating the very air we breathe, of a completely sex-saturated culture. And some of it is the fault of bishops and priests who have been silent on this issue — if not outright supportive of contraception — ever since the 1960s, despite clear teaching from the Popes.

    Interestingly enough, Mitt Romney, of all people, has said he would eliminate funding of Title X.

    But back to the original point: Except for Title X funding — which evidently the National Right to Life Committee did not include in its scoring (probably because many if not most NRLC members themselves support and use contraception) — Paul Ryan has been pro-life for his entire career. Indeed, some of the leftists are freaking out because Ryan does not allow exceptions for rape, incest and fetal deformity. And the Left is even more freaked out at Ryan’s support of the Protect Life Act, which recognizes the biological fact that every human life begins at conception. (The reason for the leftie freak-out is that some birth-control methods, ncluding the Pill, work all or some of the time NOT by preventing ovulation, but by preventing implantation of an embryo AFTER conception takes place.)

    Since many doctors (and most Pill users) don’t even know this, I would not be surprised if Paul Ryan doesn’t know it.

  • citizenkh

    in an area carried by Goldwater.

    The safest incumbent in the state lost over “rape” not that he was even accused of it.

    Here is what happened. Fundamentalist Christian women and Soccer moms (part of his base) just did not cast a vote in that race but voted for a candidate in each of the other races on the ballot that day.

    The mud slinging from Claire’s side only has to be a photo of Akin and “Legitimate Rape” written across the bottom.

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    …. even some atheists and die-hard civil liberties advocates, such as the great Nat Hentoff, are passionately pro-life. That’s because they see it as a HUMAN RIGHTS issue. The big and strong should not be allowed to kill off the small and weak just because they don’t want them around.

    Dr. Bernard Nathanson, one of the three co-founders of NARAL and former head of what was at the time the largest abortion clinic in the world, eventually became pro-life because of the irrefutable scientific evidence of the humanity of the unborn child. Advances in ultrasound imaging were key to his conversion to the pro-life position. (See his book Aborting America.) However, he was an atheist at the time of his change of heart, and for many, many years afterward. (He eventually became a Christian many years later.)

    My best friend in high-school, who helped me start a pro-life club, was a vehement, vocal atheist. She said that her conviction that there was no afterlife made the abortion issue even more urgent for an atheist — because once those lives were snuffed out, they were annihilated forever, since there was no heaven for them to go to.

    I was a non-church pro-lifer for many, many years. Indeed, it was my lifelong pro-life convictions that actually led me to investigate the Catholic Church. I did not become Catholic just because of the pro-life issue — but that issue certainly played a huge part in leading me there and giving the Church a look.

    My point is that one need not be religious to be pro-life. It is a human-rights issue.

  • Xasteius

    no text.

  • acat

    That he’s vulnerable? Yes, he mounted a much better defense than Lugar or Bennett.

    That his time should be up? I think she’s right on this …

    Mew

  • texsizzle

    And when you factor in the children those aborted babies would have had, and their children (the earliest aborted after Roe v. Wade would have been old enough to have grandchildren now), many more would be supporting the government’s Ponzi schemes with their taxes, now and in the future.

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    …everyone within your reach sees this 5-minute video that was made in 2008. If it doesn’t move them, nothing will: “Born Alive” True stories, real people.

    And for those who are willing to put 5 or 10 minutes into reading an exceptionally well-written essay, give them Robert George’s “Obama’s Abortion Extremism..”

  • Xasteius

    And he is anything but…..

    http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/08/02/orrin-hatch%E2%80%99s-election-promise-gone-with-the-wind/

  • texasref

    I really do agree with you completely on your approach to this whole situation, but just wanted to state for the record that Godwin’s Law is perfectly legitimate on the issue of abortion. It is a holocaust, as I’m sure you agree. And those who are pro-death on this issue are comparable to the Nazis. However, I do think it was spewy and dumbass of him to blame Akin for handing a metaphoric nuclear bomb to the other side. Let me know what you think, and thanks for your moderation.

  • Jack_Savage

    I have no problem with throwing him under the bus like Toricelli / Metzenbaum in NJ. None at all.

    I will say that this is a great example of why I think someone would be clinically insane to run for anything as a Republican.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    and I’d be thrilled to have Akin in the position to influence policy regarding women’s issues. My “sensitivities” end at the point an innocent baby, regardless of how he or she is conceived, is aborted. I read Akin’s statement, and I agree with others here that he spoke poorly, but I do not question his intent at all. He stands for life.

  • runner12

    When you are running for the POTUS, all of your past actions while you held a public office are relevant campaign issues. There is no statute of limitations on such things.

    One can point out the hypocrisy of the Left, while still condemning Akin’s comments. See Michelle Malkin’s piece on the Akin issue here

    http://michellemalkin.com/2012/08/20/the-todd-akin-mess/. She sums up pretty much how I feel about the whole issue quite nicely.

    I feel that Akin should do the right thing and step aside. Brunner and/or Steelman would be good replacements.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    be allowed to vote on the GOP ticket? Just wondering since there’s certainly a good number of conservatives who agree with Akin with regard to abortion, as well as a few other elected officials, regardless of his misstatement of the word “legitimate.”

    Frankly, I’m a lot more concerned that a man who refused to vote against murdering a baby alive and halfway out of the womb is the POTUS. Funny how partial-birth abortion sounds a lot uglier than what Akin said when you say what it actually is.

  • Viet71

    If Roe v. Wade were repealed, some red states would outlaw abortion except in the case of incest or rape. I say this based on pre-Roe state law.

    I agree with you as a matter of principle. Principle is fine, I’ve learned, ’til one is in a foxhole. But I agree with you.

    lerm, I believe, is speaking pragmatically.

  • acat

    Something very, *very* wrong with calling Hatch a “tea partier”.

    Mew

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    I took lerm at face value and responded accordingly. At our local GOP meeting last week, one of our members who is involved in the party platform told us there are folks working to remove being pro life from the platform. This seems to feed into that notion.

    As a teen, I was vehemently opposed to abortion and so emotional about the subject that I couldn’t even discuss it without a lot of anger and tears. In my 30′s and 40′s, I considered the rape/incest exceptions and got to the point that I bought into the idea of “understanding” the trauma involved if the result was a pregnancy (not discounting the severe trauma of the rape/incest itself). Now I know the truth is that abortions in these cases are rare and in my opinion serve to give cover to Democrats and women who would kill their babies. I’m back at the point where it’s an emotional issue, but I am able to discuss it rationally with those who are also willing to be rational. For those who want only to justify the murders of the innocent by couching the issue in terms of policy or covering it up by calling it partial birth abortion or justifying it for various reasons, I argue the reality of what an ugly, brutal, barbaric act it actually is for which there is no justification.

    However, I understand the pragmatic side of the battle, and I take whatever restrictions we can get as we continue to fight for the innocent.

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    I didn’t realize until reading another comment minutes ago that I had been mangling “exception”. In an attempt at clarification no less. Stack overflow.

  • Xasteius

    a history of getting cozy with the unions and trial lawyers.

    I don’t trust her..or Palin’s endorsement.

  • demsaresatanic

    That is consistent with what he I think he was trying to say, as I described previously;
    http://www.redstate.com/neoavatara/2012/08/19/todd-akin-must-go/#comment-251
    The comment was unwise, but grounded in biological fact.

  • demsaresatanic

    not overreact to leftist rat media.

  • adair

    a replacement if Akin bows out. The names Ashcroft, Bond and Talent are being bandied about, as well as Ann Wagner (who has already won a House seat primary) and Richard Schweiker. All these folks are favorites with the Party Elites, never mind that John Brunner and Sara Steelman were the runners-up to Akin.

    If Akin leaves the campaign, he’s totally out because he gave up a House seat to run for the Senate.

    Akin may have read an article on the Physicians for Life site, which would have given him the idea that rape-induced pregnancies are rarer than those resulting from consensual sex. The physiological reasoning in the article might well have shown up in shorthand in his mind as “the woman’s body shuts down.”

    If someone other than Bruner or Steelman emerges from the smoke-filled room, it may depress the Republican vote fatally.