Will Congressman Akin Put His World View Ahead of His Pride?

tbrubaker

I trust that Akin sincerely believes that no fertilized egg should aborted. This is his right.

His beliefs concerning the low level of pregnancies resulting from rape are wrong (5% from he NIH) and the implicit accusation that the women who do get pregnant are lying about being raped is insulting.

He deserves the ridicule he is receiving as this obviously was not a misstatement.

reggie1

Our last 24 hours was spent listening to the left tarnish all Republicans as being this backward. I had not even heard of this “juices don’t flow during rape” belief until yesterday. Go, Todd, and take with you anyone else that believes the same nonsense. Especially if they are willing to justify it by invoking vague anonymous authority (“some doctors would say”), and then claiming like Obama to have been taken out of context (“inarticulate”). You embarrass me and my party.

vamoose

I sadly conclude Akin will stay in the race hoping for a 6-year fix of Washington.

APA Guy

All he can accomplish by staying in this race is the destruction of our chances to take back the senate…and subsequently, our chance to begin to undo the damage the Democrats have done to this country the past 6 years.

What he said is inexcusable. I don’t care what he “meant” to say, he said what he did and he needs to remember that we are all accountable for our actions. The consequences of this action need to reflect his withdrawal from the race.

hart65

Claire McCaskill did everything she could to help Akin win, as she thought he would be the easiest opponent to defeat. Figure out who she dreaded facing and stand that person up. By 5 o’clock today.

Rick_Caird

This has been a ginned up firestorm, but a successfully ginned up firestorm. You can tell it is a narrative when Obama actually holds a quasi news conference so he can talk about it.

Akin differentiated, first, between legitimate claims of rape and claims of rape that are generated probably to gain access to an abortion. That is the problem with a rape exception. There is no doubt in my mind if there is a rape exception, some women will claim rape to get access to an abortion, The left actually refuses to talk about that possibility.

Second, The study I found shows pregnancy due to rape occurs 5% of the time. We can argue if that is “rare” or not so “rare”, but in any statistical study 5% is the usual barrier for significance (95% probability).. I would give Akin the benefit of the doubt on “rare”. But, I have never heard that there is some kind of internal defense against pregnancy for a rape, although the high stress may do something.

In any case, rather than have any kind of discussion, we have generated a whole lot of faux outrage. Really, how many of those pontificating actually have the “rage” their writing seems to indicate. My take is the Republicans want a different candidate i the first place and the Democrats want an issue to scream about. Very few people actually care about what Akin said.

davenj1

all three main Republican candidates- Todd Akin, John Brunner and Sarah Steelman- led Claire McCaskill in a general election match up by about the same amount. If Akin was to drop out now, the damage could be mitigated and the replacement could step right in and carry the GOP banner.

I understand the point Akin was trying to make. It was clearly inarticulate and he should have known that it would be distorted and used against him. It never ceases to amaze me how politicians can inflict damage on themselves when they have a clear path to office.

Dropping out now is the best option all around for everyone concerned. We need Missouri’s Senate seat and it is within grasp, just as Delaware was in 2010. Unlike then, this is not a case of RINO vs. more conservative choice. The other choices here are conservative.

reclaimit

Did he say something he should not have said if its something he truly believes? Should we all walk around ashamed of our opinions because they are not backed by “science”? This is a man who sits on the Science and Technology Committee in Congress. He doesn’t have a degree from some kooky Christian Bible college, as the libs claim, but a BA from Worcester Polytechnical Institute. I would put my money on him in matters of science and biology over Claire McCaskill. The Family Research Council has fully supported Akin through this flame up. They have just as much legitimacy as the AMA, in my opinion.

If Todd Akin believes Obamacare should be repealed, I can only think he didn’t come to that decision lightly. He used his background in science, medicine, and Christianity, and he sees that it makes sturdy political sense to fight it. That’s more than the Supposed Catholic on the Supreme Court was able to do. Let’s see how hard Akin fights. We could use a good fighter in the Senate, and not one who buckles to leftist media, politicians, and women’s rights organizations.

APA Guy

nt

commonsenseobserver

And because of that, we can only assume that he has a serious case of foot-in-mouth disease, handing his opponent a weapon with which to ruthlessly demagogue him (and appear honest), and is thus a dangerous candidate who should be forced out as soon as possible.

After today, though, unless he withdraws, he’ll be the Republican nominee for the Senate seat. God bless Missouri. And Romney.

http://scipio62.livejournal.com/ scipio62

Akin said something stupid, and he apologized for it. At the same time, Democrats still trot out their liars (Obama, Burton, Cutter, all the rest). Obama today lied through his teeth about allowing his people to say Romney is a felon and accusing Romney of murder; he only had his little press briefing just so he could make hay out of the Akin blunder to smear all Republicans and conservatives, jumping on Akin after Akin did all the right things.

Erick said:

“Todd Akin is a Christian. He must understand that one of the greatest sins ? the greatest according to C.S. Lewis ? is pride. His pride should not keep him in the race…

Given the way party leaders from Mitt Romney to John Cornyn have run from Todd Akin in the past 24 hours, Todd Akin must be willing to overcome his pride and realize that to advance his world view, he must end his campaign.”

One of the great tenets of Christianity is forgiveness, which is what Akin asked for. Akin said something dumb, and he acknowledged and took responsibility for it. We know this is something Democrats, especially and including Obama, would never do. It’s not as if Akin falsely accused Obama and McCaskill of the things they falsely accuse Republicans of, it’s not as if Akin was involved with some 17-year old boy as Minnesota Democrat Kerry Gauthier was (he admitted it, along with admitting to looking for anonymous sex from someone on via Craigslist).

Republicans like Romney and Cornyn (and others) can put their faith forward by forgiving Akin and supporting his effort to unseat McCaskill.

I seem to remember an incident from the not-so-distant past where Republicans went crazy after finding out one of their candidates for the U.S. Senate had some meaningless item drug up. Republicans of the time abandoned the candidate and cajoled him into giving up his election campaign. The man who was his opponent ended up winning a huge victory for that U.S. Senate seat against a loser who had to be shipped in from another state. The year was 2004, the state was Illinois, the original Republican candidate was Jack Ryan, and the eventual winner was one Barack Hussein Obama, who had Axelrod put his Chicago press buddies up to getting Ryan’s sealed divorce records unsealed, the usual m.o. of these goons. If Republicans want to repeat history and make the same mistake, then go ahead and demand Akin step down and watch McCaskill cruise to victory. Otherwise, Republicans and conservatives of faith should do what their faith and Akin asks of them, forgive him and support him.

AceInTX

The machine will install a RINO McConnell/McCain clone to replace him.

I want someone to explain to me hat he said that was so off? “Legitimate rape” is a poor choice of words but does it justify letting the Party overturn the will of primary voters by punting him from the race.

Let me say this as bluntly as I can. I find it FAR easier for me to justify abortion on demand by denying a fetus is a person than it is to fit the square peg in a round hole by starting with the idea that Abortion is murder and an unborn child is a person that should be protected by law unless they were conceived as the result of a rape. Murder is Murder regardless of the circumstances surrounding the conception.

Finally, What of the science he was trying to cite? I’ve heard/read before that a women have a natural mechanism in her system that prevents conception in cases of violent rape. Though it is possible to conceive during a violent rape,the studies I’ve always heard sited show the conception rate in such cases are extremely rare?

Bottom line…I smell a rat in that the establishment has been so quick to withdraw funding,….and in drowning Akin so suddenly and without mercy….This is an attempt by the establishment to keep a strong social conservative out for the Senate and make sure the next Republican from MO is a squish ion the mold of McConnell/Cornin/McCain

commonsenseobserver

If not, that’d be no point in even challenging Obama. He’d just have to say sorry and we’d rally around him.

He is the one who messed up his own chances. No other Republican can be blamed for his mistake, and no one is powerful enough to grant him forgiveness in the eyes of voters.

commonsenseobserver

While he can still withdraw, he should and he must. He has become toxic to the entire party. He was in a virtual tie with Air Claire in an R+9 sample.

There’s a reason why he can’t just blame the establishment- it’s his own fault.

Cornyn’s 84% Heritage rating is higher than Akin’s, by the way…

willik

Who would the Republican in the race be should Akin be forced out?

Would he/she have a chance against McCaskill?

Ask yourselves WHY the McCaskill team is so darn afraid of running against him that they have to destroy him personally, not politically. Obviously they can’t defend her record.

Why doesn’t the Missouri Republican Party fight back against even the RNC in support of Akin? Don’t they have their own money? Are they going to let the MSM determine the race? Don’t you nave control of your own finances? Sure looks like it.

He seems, to this far-off Texan, to be popular even with the savage treatment he’s getting. A classic example of the politics of personal destruction.

Fight, dang-it, Missouri Republicans, or are you gonna wimp out again and lose yet another a critical election!? MAN UP! And fight for your duly, by primary vote, selected candidate!

commonsenseobserver

A net -34% unfavourable rating in an R+9 sample…

snowmonkey

You know, I might have agreed with you yesterday, in your assertion that Akin should pull out (irony intended). He made a bad choice of words, which might or might not indicate beliefs that are not in sync with sensitivity.

That was yesterday. That was before the “very serious people” in the party, like Rove and his ilk, started screaming for Akin’s head.

Who the heck are these clowns? Do we work for them? Do they rule the roost? Do they have no core beliefs, being driven day to day by polling? Even Romney and Ryan piled on, compromising what they appeared to stand for a week ago.

Either the party has a set of core beliefs, or it does not. What Akin appeared to be trying to say was that if you put an exception for rape in a right to life law, then there will be an uptick in false claims of rape to justify an abortion. Now, doesn’t that make some sense?

But Rove, Romney, Ryan, McConnell, and a host of others did not give the issue a thought, but simply ran screaming into the night, fearful that the polls might go against them for a day or two.

So no, Akin, don’t go. You hang in there, and you explain what you meant to say. In the primaries, we allowed every candidate to do that – to explain their mis-steps and to stay in the race. Even Romney – especially Romney – got the benefit of the doubt.

So no, Akin, don’t go. Stay, and win. And when you win, have private meetings with McConnell, Romney, Ryan, and Rove, and tell them what cowards they are.

jimmyg

Reading Aceln’s comments, where do these people go if Akin is seen as being forced out of the race. I could be wrong but I got to believe that he won the primary with substantial So-Con support. If these people see Akin as being thrown under the bus for, what they will see as beliefs they hold, do they sit this one out? This may be an unintended consequence of Akin leaving the race.

commonsenseobserver

He made himself toxic, he alienated his core supporters, and he can’t seem to make up his mind and convey it clearly. It’s not Romney’s fault, it’s not the establishment’s fault, it’s the liberal media’s fault, and with his help.

Romney didn’t come off looking ignorant, incompetent, condescending and downright stupid. That’s why he hasn’t become radioactive despite the mainsteam media’s efforts. Akin just went along with them.

rayrmelc123

John Bruner would be the person to run sincw Aken stuck his foot in his mouth

shadowbear12

I agree with this article completely. That is, that Akins probably does not truly deserve the whipping he is getting; but that at the same time, he and we cannot focus on that right now. We need to live in reality and the reality is that the senate and probably even the Presidency is at stake here and there is no time.

I like that my fellow conservatives tend to be really good people who are pretty-near immune to demagogic games. We do, and people in general should gthink the best of others and give each other the benefit of the doubt. I would like to live in a world where, when somebody says something that sounds strange, we pause, dig deeper, and allow for paraphrasing and exchange in order to get at the heart of what is really meant. That is how it ought to be, but not how things are in fact. The liberal far-left, democratic party is only good at one thing: demagogic tactics to instigate mob behavior. IF we can defeat them, we can then work on restoring a more reasonable and learned culture, but we need to win first.

Akins should be a big boy and recognize this: it is not an indictment of his life and he is still needed: just not in a position where he could lose a critical battle and very possibly the entire war.

RealQuiet

But Todd Akin is done. His remaining funding will dry up very fast as the GOP and SuperPACs have run away from him, McCaskill will run ads with all GOP and conservative figures calling him to withdraw, and probably worst of all, it will give Democrats just another distraction issue to take the focus off of their record of failure.

In regards to that PPP poll, they had to use an unrealistic R+9 sample to get him to a point lead over McCaskill and his unfavorables are through the floor. It’s clear the Kos pollster wants Akin to stay in. McCaskill was publicly lamenting the GOP encouraging Akin to exit and she spent $2 million of her own money to encourage people in Missouri to vote for Akin because he was the one she wanted to face. She probably couldn’t believe her luck that this happening and now is throwing a mild tantrum about the GOP’s actions. Selecting either Brunner or Steelman to replace Akin and having everyone unite behind that candidate will put McCaskill in the crypt. Selecting a candidate that didn’t run in the GOP primary would backfire badly.

There was also a SurveyUSA poll taken in Missouri that showed that by a 54-35 margin, Akin should get out of the race. It would be interesting to look at the cross tabs to see who was saying Akin should get out and who should stay.

It sucks sometimes that GOP candidates are held to a higher standard than Democratic candidates, but it is what it is. One slip of the tongue can ruin a GOP political career and that is what has happened here unfortunately.

renl57

Rather than say what he really believes–abortion is murder even if the child was conceived by rape–he tried to weasel out of it by suggesting that pregnancy from rape is relatively rare, so abortion in that case isn’t that big of a deal.

That’s a tacit admission that he just can’t defend his own deeply held beliefs and hope to win the election.

My view is this: If you can’t run for office on what you truly believe, then don’t run for office.

Obama is a perfect example of a candidate who knew he couldn’t get elected on his hard-left viewpoint, and so he won the election on a bunch of drivel.

runner12

would not be having this conversation today. Instead, he felt he had to “explain” or “justify ” his beliefs to the media and did so by using a false and inaccurate statement in which he lacked the evidence to back up. Not only that, but he used some very insulting language when he did it.

Respectfully, this is not a man being persecuted for his beliefs. Those on the Left may despise him for his stance, but no one in the GOP would be calling for his head today if he had not chosen the language he did. Everyone in the GOP knew his stance on abortion and it was never a problem (he was elected in the House). The problem truly is his extremely poor choice of words.

There are many people, myself included, who have no problem with his stance on abortion. I even happen to agree with it. But I cannot explain to you how insulting the statement he made was to women. It was not only what he said, but the way he said it. I doubt he meant it this way, but it came across almost as dismissive.

Politics is very unforgiving, an aspect I do not necessarily like about it. This is even more true if you are a Conservative. I hope that Akin will put aside his pride and bow out. Even the Tea Party Express has withdrawn their support. It is time to get out.

Repair_Man_Jack

http://washingtonexaminer.com/democrats-spent-1.5-mil-to-help-akin-win-gop-primary/article/2505373#.UDN9H91lREM

This reminds me of the governor’s race in CA where Gray Davis used his money to make sure the least electable GOP candidate would wint he primary.

theforce75

I agree that I do not like to see someone tarnished for holding a pro-life position. Mr. Akin is a man of faith and he holds thoughts that may or may not be in someone’s own belief. Some are upset saying the GOP establishment quickly threw him under the bus, some say it will alienate Social Conservatives if he gets out and others say Mr. Akin said things that are just bizarre.

The bottom line…The Establishment did not make Mr. Akin say what he did…so stop blaming Rove…the Social Conservatives can get upset but Steelman and Brunner are pro-life, of course we would have to see who would be his replacement, and to win in Missouri you want to have a strong Conservative…as for Mr. Akin….I can forgive what he said but the Legitimate Rape is what will hound him from now until election if he stays in.

Yes people in here will support him but at what cost? There ae many conservatives that equally did not like what he said and it was BAD!! You can play it anyway you want. What he should have done was EXPLAIN in that Interview what he meant and clarified…THAT WAS WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE TO CLEAR UP…He could have said…Now I do not believe RAPE IS LEGITIMATE and then explained what he was referencing. But he did not…he let it stand because he really did not see at that point how that would sound. And we all know soundbites like this are deadly and in this case…going on TV or radio after does not help.

Why? Because people think you are apologizing only because you were CAUGHT or HIDING YOUR REAL FEELINGS! We all know this to be true. When Obama said yesterday he had DID NOT BLAME ROMNEY Soptic woman getting cancer and had not seen the ad…WE ARE SAID WHAT???? BS!!!!!!!!!!!!! The same will apply to people looking at AKIN.

He cannot stay because the chance HE HAD TO CORRECT was when he was on that interview with Reporter in St. Louis…If he would have this would not have been a problem.

The blame for this lies with Mr. Akin….no one made he say it or aked him to say it. Stop blaming GOP or anyone else. Akin did this to himself.

One thought to ponder…can anyone imagine what would have happened if Akin said something like this in OCT???

The only good thing is that this is AUG and this could be preventing something worse or as bad in Oct and then we would be stuck!

renl57

For years, strongly pro-choice types like Barbara Boxer and spokeswomen for Planned Parenthood have had a ready response to the morality of late-term (incl. partial-birth) abortion:

“It only happens infrequently or rarely, so it’s not a major issue”

That’s the same type of sophistry that Akin indulged in: Pregnancy resulting from rape only happens infrequently, so it’s not a major issue.

Weasel words in both cases.

Akin should have said what he believes: Abortion is still murder even if the child was conceived by rape.

And Planned Parenthood should say what they believe: Abortion should be legal in all cases and all phases of pregnancy, because that’s a woman’s right.

A little honesty from both sides would be refreshing.

http://scipio62.livejournal.com/ scipio62

We aren’t talking about someone who falsely accused another of murder (as Obama did with Romney); we aren’t talking about someone who lied about what Obamacare was in order to get it passed (Obama and McCaskill); and we sure aren’t talking about people who refuse to change course in order to get this economy moving (Obama and McCaskill). Degree does matter.

Akin said something dumb. He apologized. Republicans who are a) caving to the miscreant Democrat media that willingly lets Obama get away with most everything and b) trying to force Akin to cave are showing weakness against a weak candidate (McCaskill). If they don’t want to repeat 2004 Illinois, then they need to stand by Akin.

runner12

NT

commonsenseobserver

Though I still believe that it would be best for Akin to withdraw.

runner12

persecuted for his beliefs. That is not true! The GOP knew his stance on abortion, a stance shared by many in the GOP, and it was never a problem.

Had Akin simply stated his beliefs without trotting out some phony science that he had no evidence to back up, using the most insulting language possible, no one on the GOP side would be calling for his head. No one!

It is all about what he said, not his beliefs. There are so many on our side that truly are excoriated for their beliefs on a daily basis, but this is not the case here.

As a Christ-follower, I can forgive Akin. But as a citizen and someone who is pro-life, I want someone who can articulate his pro-life positions without resorting to false claims and insulting language (though I doubt he meant to be insulting on purpose).

funwithknives

then how in The Name of Creation did he so ‘expertly’ put his feet in his mouth ? {Note I said Feet}

This is such a clear case of mimimizing what you say , it is a cover story for a book on the subject.
He can’t stay in, as the din is only gonna get much louder. Whatever he might have to offer has benn rendered meaningless ,and no one is to blame but Todd.

In Missouri, how do you get a new nominee? Isn’t Akin the result of a primary? Is a Do-Over possible?

A_Texan

I would rejoice if he withdrew, unless they replaced him with some Danforth-like, Washington-General Republican.

The cause is more important than anyone’s political ambitions. He made a stupid mistake (as I’ve made countless ones).

He is not indispensable. See graveyards and all that.

If he should withdraw, I would have far more respect for him than I did before he made the foolish remark. The vast majority of patriots who’ve preserved our republic have done so anonymously, in obscurity.

Please, Mr. Akin, for the sake of our country, for the sake of protecting the unborn, give up these public honors.

tnfriendofcoal101368

Levin, Hannity, Amy Kremer, AceofSpades and of course the money people. I am consistently amazed at how we allow a discussion on abortion where frankly we are on the Mount Everest of high ground (really: to paraphrase Lincoln – if the widespread slaughter of the innocent as a matter of choice and convenience is not wrong – nothing is wrong) to degenerate into a parsing of rape. My answer is always abortion in all cases is wrong; rape in all cases is wrong. One rarely intersects with the other and when they do; the innocent child has committed no crime let alone one worthy of the death penalty, the rapist did. In a great paradox, rape is not a capital crime in any state in the United States (the only one who gets the death penalty is an innocent child).

http://scipio62.livejournal.com/ scipio62

He is being persecuted by the GOP for making a mistake he apologized for. A mistake as opposed to the pathological liars running as Democrats.

Think about it. Obama and the Democrats lied when they said that under Obamacare, federal taxpayer funds wouldn’t be used for abortion; we knew it was true when Obama put out his worthless Executive Order to make sure Obamacare adhered to the Hyde Amendment. McCaskill voted for Obamacare; if she hadn’t read the bill prior to voting for it, she’s a do-nothing U.S. Senator; if she had read the bill and still claimed abortion wasn’t in Obamacare, we know she’s a liar. McCaskill may be able to make a little hay out of Akin’s statement (and she’ll do so without acknowledging he apologized, because that is what Democrats do), but Akin can wreck her on her Obamacare vote.

Caving to pathological Democrats is too easy and shows weakness. Forgiving Akin, moving on while maintaining support for Akin, and blasting McCaskill will have benefits for America, Missouri, and the GOP.

Samsara

The Republican platform draft being voted on today (from CNN)

“We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”

Romney yesterday.

“… a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.”

theforce75

Now the guy puts out an Ad about Forgiveness…this clown just does not get it. The GOP must run and Independent and finance he or she. Akin will have no money because no one will donate…Make him irrelevant. One can see he is another KOOK with the idea GOD is Guiding Him. We have seen so many of these loons over the years and they always end up the same. He will not win. He is not PROVIDENTIAL and his wife is a fool. Please GOP run and Independent against this Bozo!

PPP shows him up by 1 with a plus 9 Rep sample in 2010 Repub had Plus 3…NO WAY…PPP wants him to stay in. Does anyone believe PLUS 9 for REPUB??? Come on!! His Unfavorable is near 60 percent and favorable 24 percent and that is with a PLUS 9 Sample for Repub?

This is a joke. They must render him irrelevant and run and Independent that will vote with GOP and can change once in Senate. DEFUND THE MAN and he has nothing. Do not let the US SENATE slip away because of another SELFISH KOOK!

I am sick of this on the GOP side. Just sick of it! We never have any candidate that does what is best for the country…JUST HIM/HERSELF….Mr Akin is an ignorant man. He thinks a 30 sec idiotic ad will help him…NOT!!

GOP must act and must act now. Steelman or Brunner could run as an Independent. They had instant name recognition and millions would come their way to run. As well, the Super Pacs would ad to the money and Akin would be reduced to nothing. We cannot stake our Country on another Ignorant and Utterly Selfish Man!

commonsenseobserver

Most recent versions of the human life amendment, instead of focusing on a right to life, have emphasised overturning Roe v. Wade’s ruling that there is a constitutional right to abortion, and allowing Congress and the states to pass laws in this area. I know that Ryan personally opposes abortion in cases of rape, but I believe that most proposed legislation would protect such an exception, and even preserve federal funding for abortions in cases of “forcible rape”.

http://scipio62.livejournal.com/ scipio62

Democrats want their supporters to believe honoring the public school system teaching everything but what children need to know over honoring a child’s mother and father.

Democrats want their supporters to believe theft is a virtue when done in the name of the misnamed “social justice”.

Democrats want their supporters to believe murder as an irresponsible form of birth control is a virtue.

Democrats want their supporters to believe falsely accusing Romney of murder and other crimes, bearing false witness, is a virtue in order to put out their “message” and maintain their agenda.

Democrats want their supporters to believe envy is a virtue.

If Akin did any of the above, then he should drop out. He didn’t. Republicans should recognize that. Republicans should also recognize McCaskill is exactly the same kind of Democrat Obama is, the kind that supports the items above. She can be beaten if Akin and Republicans stick to hitting her on these.

wlcjr

This type of complex and divisive social issue is a loser for conservatives because with one poorly worded interview we can and will be portrayed as ignorant, unfeeling, and out-of-touch. That feeds right into the false narrative of the left. Apologies do not help.

The typical response to my opinion is “we must stand up against evil”, and such. Fine, stand up for whatever you wish. IMO, only a liberal would consider the only proper way to “stand up” for something is to use govt force.

Ultimately, abortion will end when women decide to stop having them or technology advances to the point unwanted pregnancies do not occur. Working to that end is a proper way to win the battle (abortion) and win the war (elections determining the future of our country).

fearlesskris

Right after you say the man made himself toxic you turn around and say it’s the media’s fault? Wow, that’s quite a turn… Akin did not misspeak, he didn’t chose his language poorly. I watched the interview several times. Akin was clear and straightforward, he didn’t stutter or stammer through his answers. He really does have a Dark Ages view of rape and women’s reproductive systems. And you all want to do away with the sciences and health classes…they might have helped Akin out somewhere back down the road.

You use both the term liberal media and mainstream media. It’s media – you the consumer choose which “news” you want to watch or read. Do you really believe Red State isn’t a completely, I don’t even want to say conservative, because it’s beyond conservative, media outlet? It’s further right than MSNBC is left. The consumer chooses the media they wish to consume. There’s no way on earth I’ll be able to convince a Fox News viewer to suddenly take an interest in real news reporting. For that viewer there is no liberal media because they’ve never watched or read anything outside of what the party is telling them to watch/read. I like to read this site because I’ve gotten paranoid in my older age. I needed to find the one place where I can find what you all are up to (there’s too much screaming and screeching over at Fox). This is where the plotting happens.

We are going to replace this horrible do-noting congress and give our President a congress that’s ready to do some work and get back on track. We will remove the Neanderthal thinking and work toward equal rights for all (I can’t believe I have to say this in this century!). There will be an end to the witch-hunt you have going on against women and children in this country. It’s very difficult to believe – but you believe it when you actually see and read it – there are many of you who wish to see a Taliban-esque government in place and you don’t even recognize it when you see it. That’s the truly frightening thing. You don’t even recognize yourselves.

commonsenseobserver

See you on November 7.

redhat885

Who gives a hoot what people outside of MO think about his beliefs? The only people who count are his supporters and what they do in November. It’s their decision to make, not a bunch on Monday morning quarterbacks. Besides, replacing him, imho, is an admission of guilt, that there is something wrong with his convictions. Please explain to me what is wrong with his beliefs.

msctex

At this point, it seems certain. So he needs to go.

All intentions, all heartfelt beliefs aside, this is all that matters. We cannot afford to give an inch in this election cycle, and there’s no getting around the fact a piece of ground we need has been compromised. The whys and wherefores are secondary — all that matters is taking power away from those who would use it to bring our system crashing down.

gmhunt

If you really think Red State is “beyond conservative, media outlet? It?s further right than MSNBC is left.” Why are you here reading it?????? The ONLY group that wish “to see a Taliban-esque government in place” is Obama and his cohorts…….he is the one recognizing the Muslim Brotherhood and Hilary is the one who gave them 3 billion in tax payer dollars………

Repair_Man_Jack

Any attempt we make to spin what this idiot says will be about effective as chucking water on a grease-fire. Akin must leave the race. He may well become Barack Obama’s best re-election strategy if he doesn’t.

commonsenseobserver

Other than the fact that he clearly does not understand the severity of the problem he has created.

And, no, MO GOP voters can’t make a choice either. He has to make the call himself.

derrickderrickson

Akin needs to pull out, the same way Erick Woods (Erickson)’s father should have pulled out about 40 years ago, for the good of the Republic!!

abeldred

diminishes the very seriousness and violence of the crime of rape and now puts what was almost a sure GOP Senate pick up in jeopardy.
I am not arguing with the preservation of life on this Akins thing. But what he said has irrevocably damaged him politically and he won’t be able to win the seat. The GOP was counting on this one to be an easy pick-up and he’s just complicated it in many ways. Now that idiot McKaskill may retain that seat because he didn’t think before he spoke. We’ve all been berating and criticizing Biden for what he said last week about the chains thing, and this is somewhat similar. I am sure Akins was trying to stand up for the unborn, just as Biden was trying to defend black voters against evil Repubs, but both screwed up. In this instance, the necessity of that seat is vital to succeeding in bringing the Senate back into the hands of the GOP. For the good of the country, (and future children) he needs to step down and the party needs to get someone well know and easily electable to replace him.

Samsara

it calls for 14th amendment rights to an unborn child. Does that mean the Republican platform calls for a ban on abortion in cases of rape or incest?

tnfriendofcoal101368

To the tune of 50 million dead since 1973. In addition, you have 15% of the country unemployed, 45 million on food stamps, and 50% living below the poverty line and you wish to continue the policies that have created all that poverty, all in the petty aim of retaining power. My advice would be to clean your own house before complaining about the dust in someone elses. #JustSaying

ss396

Because of this single statement, it goes, Akin will lose the race and the Republicans will lose the Senate and the whole State of Missouri and therefore the Presidency and ObamaCare is set in stone. My word, if we are that vulnerable, then for crying out loud color the State of Missouri deep blue and focus the campaigning elsewhere.

Where did this statement of ‘natural bodily defenses’ come from? Did he formulate it all on his own? Did this come out of our public school system, and some of the ignoramuses who teach there? We beat up Democrats all the time for their ignorance of even basic science and economics; must we assume that all Republicans are well-founded in the STEM disciplines? And that anyone who is not must be sacrificed to the Great and Terrible Rove with his NRSC angels? It is curious that Mr. Akin holds such a bizarre principle; the response should be to discover its origins and take steps to correct them. Are there no stupidities from McCaskill to air, if the Dems want to wage such a war?

Meanwhile, there is strong Democrat interest in protecting the concept of rape: look at the defense of Assange, of Polanski, look at rap music, look at Whoopi?s ?rape rape? comment, rape is the subject of edgy black comedians, Bill Maher can fantasize about raping Willow Palin, Playboy can run a ?hate-***k? issue, and on and on. What happens? A bit of media tussle for a few days, and everyone moves on. If Akin stays in the race, there is no shortage of counter-material for him to throw back.

We have been tasking the Republican leadership repeatedly for their cowardice, for their ?go-along-to-get-along? strategy, for their sacrifice of principle to keep getting elected. We are furious about the compromises they make, and charge that they do so just to hold office. Here, in Akin, were are presented with an unabashed, forceful advocate against abortion. That he was nationally introduced by a stupidity is freakishly unfortunate, but that in no way makes a case for abandoning this fight. Do we not believe our own polling on abortion? Are we not convinced that anti-abortion will prevail? Do we not believe our own advocacy against wishy-washy lead-from-behind governance? Do we not advocate to be principled; be forceful; be decisive ? these are traits that people look for, and ones that carry favorable weight. Watching the wholesale flight from all of this is?amazing.

reggie1

She actually has accomplishments in public office.

gizmo

Just as the other sexual deviants from “normal” tend to over count themselves, rape victims that get pregnant from it may be closer to only 3%… Remember, these numbers are quoted by groups digging for money, trying to keep their “jobs” and extrapolated from #s from places such as Planned Parenthood who WANT & NEED these #s to be higher to justify their existences.
Now, be that as it may, RAPE is UGLY, HORRIBLE, & ILLEGAL. A raped person – woman or man – needs protection, comfort & swift justice if at all possible.
As painful as this situation is & the stigma, etc. of it, though, cannot overrule what God has allowed, given, created or however it is stated. This fetus, upon conception, as soon as it’s implanted, becomes a human being with all the uniqueness & spirit of a Creation in the “image of God”. We still have no “right” or “privilege” to tear it apart & throw it away.
After just a momentary search, I found a list of some 10 or so “famous people” whose mothers were raped yet they were brought into the world… This is very cursory, very elementary, but it’s enough to get one to think about WHO has been aborted, and thankful for those beautiful strong women who made the PRO_CHOICE of LIFE… Yes, both the woman AND child are ALIVE….

funwithknives

project of Ann Arbor, Michigan’s Pioneer H S gets a ‘D’.
…as in Democrat.
Where’s all those * ‘We’s’ * you trumpet?
Democratic Registrations are down big time from 2010 and that is for a reason.
There’s more Voters with Empty Wallet Syndrome that there are Progressives that “do stuff. ”

We’re not Witch Hunting ‘Wimmen and The Chillun’ , but we got special places for the likes of what you represent.
It’s called the Ash-Heap of History and you’re soon to be added to The Pile.
…but first we gotta float you out of The Pile you’re already in…..
Sewage flows to it’s own level. You’ll be easy to find.
The very large chunk, right over there >>>…..

commonsenseobserver

So either federal or state legislation could include exceptions for special circumstances. The main focus is still on overturning Roe and making a declaration of principle on personhood.

By the way, I heard that the platform contains a plank on the two-state solution, consistent with US foreign policy, of course. But not really practicable either.

derrickderrickson

This sounds like the general Democrat argument defending Billary Clinton in the death of Vince Foster! Just saying…

Samsara

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redhat885

By next week this will all be ancient history and we’ll be onto the next “big story” which will be all about the convention. Problem solved. Move on nothing to see here. Claire must go.

Ender

most people in a civilized society recognize that those who are forced to carry a child through an extremely traumatic experience and no choice of their own have a special dispensation to choose to end that life. Some women’s choice to proceed with the pregnancy should not impact the right of others to not proceed.

What is easier, to force someone else to suffer for your beliefs about the nature of unborn life, or to be that someone else who’s been violated and never asked to bring an unborn life into the world? 3% or not.

Additionally your first sentence has a shade of comparing rape victims the sexual deviants. Which I hope was not your intention.

gwbramhall

You make a good point, but then there is the reality. We cannot
go down with the ship because this candidate touched a fine
point inartfully.This issue is going to be pinned on the whole party if we
let it fester and thus it must be removed as quickly and painlessly as possible.
I also was very displeased with all the piling on we saw on the part of
our Republican leaders, but unfortunately any other reaction would put
the whole party in bed with the remark. Undoubtably there will be
more rapes reported if rape is the only standard under which a woman
can terminate her pregnancy, but this election is too imprtant to let it be
decided on such a fine point.

freemanja1991

Still has Akin leading by 1%. but I do agree he should drop out.

puritand71

When are conservatives going to learn the lesson of stopping to bow the knee at the mantle of the moderate wing of the Republican party?

He misspoke and is persecuted from his side while Biden gets a pass on racism? This does not make sense. Where are the Republican leaders calling Biden to resign for such statements or declaring the hypocrisy of the White House of defending Biden from one side of mouth and demonizing Akin with the other?

As long as conservatives continue to toe the Republican line, we have no hope of changing this party, of taking over the leadership. The moderates will keep seeing us as weak kneed and will ALWAYS buckle under pressure.

Akin should keep on fighting. The race is long and there is plenty of time to correct this problem.

puritand71

Sure, let’s just let pragmatism win the day. Core beliefs? Who cares, we want a win and that is all that matters. I am sorry but I would rather lose with core beliefs than win on the whim of the day.

Repair_Man_Jack

Silence may well be our alternative. But keep in mind what it took to take Gary Condit off the front pages of the tabloids.

puritand71

Atkins admitted to misspeaking. Where is Biden’s apology. Instead the WH doubles down on it and states racial speech is okay as long as there is a D after the name.

When are we going to stop shooting our own who own up to their mistakes instead of throwing them under the bus because moderates demand it.

puritand71

Amen, amen, and amen.

redhat885

?We feel this is a case of gotcha politics. We know who Todd Akin is because we?ve worked with him up on the Hill. He?s a defender of life. He?s a defender of families. This is just a controversy built up, it looks as though, to support his opposition. Claire McCaskill on the other hand has supported Planned Parenthood all these years … Todd Akin is getting a very bad break here. We support him fully and completely.?

Connie Mackey, president of Family Research Council Action PAC

Repair_Man_Jack

could produce a suitable propaganda poll to convince Akin to stay in was as follows:

They had a poll a month ago where Akin lead McCasskill by one. It’s sample was D+2.

Thay had poll out yesterday. It had Akin at +1 vs McCaskill. The elctorate this time was R +9.

The only way for Mr. “Legitimate Rape” to win is for the electorate to shift 11 pts to the right of where it was 1 month ago. I don’t see Mr. Romney doing that between now and November.

In conclusion, Akin is not toast. He’s the burned crumbs that get scraped off into the garbage bin.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

How evil do you have to be to support the act of murdering a baby who is halfway out of the womb and feels the pain of the hired killer jabbing a pair of scissors in his or her skull and then sucking out his or her brains?

Repair_Man_Jack

-nt.

Samsara

You said:

“Where did this statement of ?natural bodily defenses? come from? Did he formulate it all on his own? Did this come out of our public school system, and some of the ignoramuses who teach there?”

No, he got his information from Por-Life web sites.

From Christian Life Resourses:

Rape Pregnancies Are Rare
John C. Willke, M.D.
Life Issues Connector, April 1999, Reprinted with permission

First, let’s define the term “rape.” When pro-lifers speak of rape pregnancies, we should commonly use the phrase “forcible rape” or “assault rape,” for that specifies what we’re talking about. Rape can also be statutory. Depending upon your state law, statutory rape can be consensual, but we’re not addressing that here.

How many forcible rapes result in a pregnancy? The numbers claimed have ranged the entire spectrum of possibilities. Some feminists have claimed as high as 5 to 10 percent, which is absurd.

Finally, factor in what is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that’s physical trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get and stay pregnant a woman’s body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There’s no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy.

http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/rape-pregnancies-are-rare-461

tnguy

Very little spine left in our party or amongst conservatives.

The reason democrat gotcha politics continue to work is that the cowards in our party flee in horror at the first hint of such a controversy.

Repair_Man_Jack

http://www.redstate.com/repair_man_jack/2011/08/24/is-it-pro-choice-if-it%e2%80%99s-an-offer-you-can%e2%80%99t-refuse/

Again, Joe Biden says what Liberals truly believe. If only the government could abort all those inconvenient squalling brats like the PRC does it. That, moron, is the Dark Ages.

Now go away educated or, if you insist, go away ignorant. But the point here is that you really should go away.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Akin is really down 7-9 points.

The Dems are the only ones pulling for Akin to stay in and this was part of the effort to do so.

ceili_dancer

Ban Hammer coming in 3, 2, 1…

proudgop

I am pleading for you to do the right thing. I didnt think you should drop out prior but now the story is overblown and affecting many Republicans in races your name should not be involved. Please drop out!

redhat885

Okay, so he drops out, then what? What about every other conservative candidate who shares these or similar views. Giving in is another way of declaring open season on pro lifers like me. Fight back, and fight back hard, it’s what we believe in and worth it.

DeForce

Seriously. Lurk. Shake your head, Whatever, but don’t come in to their house and try and crap all over the floor. You only make yourself, and by extension your peers look, like petty children.

I’m about as lefty as they come. But this is just dumb. You aren’t helping anything. Disagree all you want. I learned long ago that this isn’t a site for debate, there are plenty of those.

Listen, learn, read. But if you can’t add anything to the conversation, don’t insult your host. You are a guest.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

We want a conservative to win this race.

Akin is a crippled candidate who said something very offensive to rape victims and even though he is very sorry about it, he cannot take it back. he also cannot win.

Therefore conservatives like Ann Coulter, Hannity, National Review, Michelle Malkin, The American Spectator, etc. along with numerous conservatives and Republicans across the country are telling Akin to step aside.

Let a better candidate like Brunner (who should have won the primary) take on McCaskill.

“He misspoke and is persecuted from his side while Biden gets a pass on racism? This does not make sense. ”

YES IT MAKES SENSE. We attack Obama for ‘you didnt build that” because words express what a politician believes. If we give Akin a pass on this, we have no place to call out Obama and Biden on their words as well.

If Akin ‘misspoke’ then we cannot tell what he really thinks. And he makes for a poor standard bearer of the party.

“Where are the Republican leaders calling Biden to resign”
That would be stupid. No Republican can make him resign, we want him unelected in november.

theforce75

Akin is staying just reported he put in Ad buy for the 22-27 of Aug….BAD NEWS BAD DAY AND MO IS NOW IN DEMS hand safely for Senate…Another selfish self righteous fool who just handed the Senate back to the Dems…make no bones about it..DARK DAY IN AMERICA!!

msctex

But I couldn’t sleep well at night knowing that though my core beliefs are unsullied, Obama has another four years to do as much damage as he possibly can. My core beliefs are simply not that valuable, and neither are yours.

And “whim of the day?” This is not a normal election. We have never faced a scenario where a President simply must be driven from office, and all he has touched be undone. The man is for all intents and purposes toxic, and anyone who becomes a liability against this goal — and especially one who manages to do so by simply opening his mouth and saying something so remarkably stupid — has simply got to go. We cannot afford to give a biased Media an ounce of legitimate ammunition, and like it or not, this man has managed to provide it.

theforce75

He is staying just plaed Ad purchase for the 22-27 of Aug…Maybe Conservatives will grow up now and learn to stiop supporting losers and self proclaimed ANGELS OF GOD!! Then maybe we would stand behind one candidate and not keep losing. Just think all day long how the DEMS are cheering and smiling. While we sit in crap and junk again. They beat us everytimg because we beat ourselves. The majority ruled by a minority that is stuck to pay the bills, lose out liberty and write complaints on redstate. I am so sick of this…so sick of this! There is no way this man should even have the chance of staying….but look what will happen…On Election Day he will drag Mitt down and he will lose by at least 10 points!

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

They are people who want a Republican to win the race. Some are conservatives like us who want a conservative so we can repeal Obamacare, others are operatives who know a lost cause when they see it and want to cut Akin loose so we have a chance to salvage this race.

“Either the party has a set of core beliefs, or it does not.”
If those core beliefs are ‘stick with a losing candidate’ then I guess losing the Senate and not repealing Obamacare is our core belief too, for that is a possible consequence. We can defend the prolife position, but a medically ignorant statement is indefensible.

“What Akin appeared to be trying to say was…” … irrelevent. What matters is what he DID say, which suggested ‘legitimate rape” victims can prevent their own pregnancies, which can be made a 30 second spot every day until november and make him lose almost all the independent female vote and the race.

I recall the same screeching against Rove when he dissed Christine ODonnell in 2010; ‘how dare he!”, as if he was responsible for her poor campaign and performance. In fact, Rove was just expressing his opinion of her as a candidate. And he was right. Instead of attacking the powers that be, better to listen, they may be right.

“you explain what you meant to say.” He already has – 4 times. Hannity, Huckabee, an apology letter and now an ad. It wont erase it. It wont stop the Dems from using it not just against him but against other candidates. Already the Dems are “Akin=Ryan”.

commonsenseobserver

Or at least, threaten to do so…

acat

If you can’t run for office on what you truly believe, you may fit in better with the Dems. (after all, they routinely run on what they don’t believe)

If you can’t run for office on what you truly believe *because you’re a conservative* … get a *LOT* of improv and acting experience *first* because you’re going to need it. Being a Rotarian or Toastmaster *does not count*.

Mew

earlgrey

Repubs are trying last ditch effort to let him run in his district and replace him with the winner of the primary in his CD.

tngal

The libs have found another shiny object. They will add it to their Bain capital/Romney’s taxes/ Ryan Medicare mobile that circles around in their collective head.

It would be wise not waste any more time gazing at their pitiful little attention grabber.

It hasn’t been that long ago that we were trying to stave off Obamacare by pinning our hopes on dem. Ben Nelson. We thought he was holding a nice hand of pro-life cards. Later we found out it was only about the cornhusker kickback and what he could get for his homestate. It wasn’t about the babies. He folded. He was bluffing in his beliefs.

I don’t think Akin is. True conservatives will vote for him. As well as others with an understanding that while they may not agree with his stance, they know McCaskill is not the answer.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Correct PPP shows Akin trails by 7 points, but any other candidate would LEAD her:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/332101.php

CORRECTED PPP Numbers for Missouri

Since PPP decided it can’t help itself, I’ve done you all a service.
I went through their ridiculous R+9 sample and ONLY changed the D/R/I proportions to match previous elections, and an even turnout.
With R+9, PPP’s headline screams Akin up by 1. It is an obvious, sick ploy to get this delusional Bio101 flunkie to stay in and cost us a seat.

Here are the real numbers:
If turnout in November matches 2008 (it won’t):
McCaskill 49.25% Akin 39% (this is a D+6 turnout model)

If turnout in November is even, an incredible feat for the GOP considering heavy turnout in St Louis and Kansas City during an election year:
McCaskill 47% Akin 40%.

If turnout in November matches the best we have ever seen in the state (R+3 during 2010):
McCaskill 45% Akin 41%.

McCaskill is a dead duck if we dump Akin. The other candidates from the primary were crushing her up and down. To trail her by four in a best-case scenario is inexcusable at this point.

abeldred

it’s that you can’t unring the bell. What he said was an awkward way of saying that all human life is sacred and defending that life. However, it has become a much bigger issue than that and the big picture is about winning the senate and the WH. If Akins can’t bring the voters to him, then MO is damaged and it was a pretty sure thing for us. Right now, it’s less about defending one man and much, much more about defending a nation. Akins must set pride and self-righteousness for the greater good. He will have another chance to serve down the road.

snowmonkey

I understand all your points, and they are valid. It comes down to this, though:

The Republican voters in Missouri elected Akin to be their candidate.

It is not Karl Rove’s candidate. It is not Hannity’s candidate. It is not McConnell’s candidate. It is not Romney’s candidate.

Akin is the candidate selected by the people and, if you read the data today, the voters in Missouri still like him. They still elect him over his opponent. What, really, is it that Rove, Hannity, McConnell, and Romney are saying? They are saying, “OK, voters, you made your choice and now we don’t like it, so we’re picking the one we really wanted all along.”

My gripe is that the “very serious people” want us, the voters, around when they need us, but we should stay in line and do as we’re told. Heaven forbid Karl Rove and Hannity do not get to select the appropriate candidate.

Run, Akin, Run, and you will win. Maybe this whole brouhaha will get a serious discussion started about a serious topic.

meme

> Though it is possible to conceive during a violent rape,the studies I?ve always heard sited show the conception rate in such cases are extremely rare?

Please oh please oh please link to one of those “sited” studies.

Samsara

Limbaugh blames Pro-Life misinformation for Akin’s flub.

Limbaugh said that he was not prepared to throw Akin ?under the bus? as have so many conservative pundits and lawmakers. However, he said Akin?s comments are reflective of a personality that is sequestered in only pro-life circles and rarely, if ever, encounters a dissenting opinion.

?This whole business that a woman?s body shuts down after rape ? there?s no evidence for that,? said Limbaugh. ?That?s the kind of thing that people who do nothing but talk amongst themselves will conjure up ? a belief system like that ? and they?ll grab onto anything they can to support what their empirical belief is.?

Limbaugh said that he has heard similar claims about pregnancies that result from rape before from pro-lifers. He called that point of view ?absurd? and ?not intelligent.? He went on to say that Akin?s defense of life was noble, but that he went about making his case with ?glorious ineptitude.?

meme

>Respectfully, this is not a man being persecuted for his beliefs.

He is not being persecuted.

He is being ridiculed for not having a fundamental understanding of the things he is trying to legislate.

Samsara

John C. Willke, M.D., a proponent of the “Rape pregnancy are rare” argument listed above is a big Romney supporter. Kathryn Jean Lopez was thrilled to announce his endorsement over on “The Corner”

From Romney’s press release announcing the endorsement:

GOV. ROMNEY

Boston, MA ? Today, Dr. John Willke, a founder of the Pro Life Movement, endorsed Governor Mitt Romney and his campaign for our nation?s highest office. Dr. Willke is a leading voice within the pro-life community and will be an important surrogate for Governor Romney?s pro-life and pro-family agenda.

Welcoming Dr. Willke?s announcement, Governor Romney said, ?I am proud to have the support of a man who has meant so much to the pro-life movement in our country.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/150728/romney-catches-big-pro-life-fish/kathryn-jean-lopez

Uma Richie

You should shout loud and proud that killing babies is cool.

fiscalsanity

Akin said something inartful — Joe Biden says something unconscionable and racist with regularity and the MSM haven’t called for his head.

theforce75

I am waiting to see what the MO GOP will do. Akin is a JERK and we know God has told him he is GOD. So now that we have another CHARLATAN WACKO on the far right lets hear from the GOP how to move forward!

I could care less about Akin now. He is a desert and no one will touch him from 1000 miles away. He is not wanted by anyone and you want to talk about ISOLATION this guys has no clue. Hey maybe he and his wife can go to IHOP with GOD at the Table and have another imaginary conversation!!

Okay I want to know what the MO GOP will do. Claire is very beatable. Lets get an Independent write-in on the ballot and FUND THE LIVING HECK OUT OF THEM. Akin will drop like a bad night mare….when you have an 24 percent approval and that is today just watch how they will fall further when the GOP runs ads against him and Claire does the same. Mr, Legitimate Rape will be Legitimate Toliet Paper. I could care less anymore what happens to Akin or his family. They deserve what they get. He does not care for the country THEN WE CARE NOTHING FOR HIM AND HIS SELFISH WAYS!

Now GOP lets have at 500PM today in MO a plan…there are plenty of candidates we can write-in that will receive millions. Akin has no money and once the GOP say ADIOS and the TEA PARTY and conservatives say TAKE A HIKE…lets see what little money GOD GIVES him in his dreams!

No Claire must be defeated and the best way…run an Independent write-in and I will personally donate over 1,000.00 immediately and I am sure millions of others will donate as well.

Akin will neve get above 5 percent if a GOP INDEPENDENT is written in and we place Claire’s record FRONT AND CENTER!!

earlgrey

it public. At least that is what I would expect.

Samsara

Me, Mitt Romney and the other 85% of the population that realizes that women who are raped should be allowed to abort the baby.

A Sad situation, but to force women to carry a rape pregnancy to term and give birth is worse. If you want a police report detailing the incident thats fine, but you can’t force rape pregnancys on women.

And anyway, this is all meaningless. The GOP has no intention of doing anything to change Rove Vs Wade, They just want to cut off funds to planned parenthood and keep collecting funds from Pro Life groups.

Uma Richie

about the claim that pregnancies from rape are rare. Considering that Roe v Wade was brought to the Supreme Court because Roe said she was raped, many on both sides of the aisle have found it remarkable that only 1% of the children killed by abortion each year were the offspring of rape.

Your selection of a paragraph from a longer article above is an exercise in intellectual dishonesty. Medical researchers cannot carry out rape experiments to test a hypothesis of why rape pregnancy is rare. It would be unethical to randomize 1000 women of childbearing age to be raped versus a control group of 1000 women of childbearing age to have consensual sex and then observe how many in each group get pregnant.

The author of the report you cite tried to use statistics to explain the rarity in an ethical way by whittling down the number of rapes by factors such as birth control use, rapist sterility, infertile days in every menstrual cycle, etc. You cherry-picked the paragraph explaining that stress may lead to fewer fertile days in a woman’s menstrual cycle. You failed to include all the other factors.

Doing so you misrepresent the article as arguing that most raped women are too stressed out to ovulate. That is wrong. That is a dishonest way to debate an issue. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Uma Richie

of Americans who think abortion should be legal in all circumstances, but use rape victims, who have already suffered greatly, to justify your position.

puritand71

We are now wanting to argue that Missourians are too dumb to understand the nuances and the awkwardness of what Akin was trying to say?

I hear from Rush and others that no one is really paying attention to politics right now until mid-September at best. So, why not let it ride out. He apologizes, explains, and moves forward blasting the Obamacare vote.

I am amazed at how quickly we desire to throw good people under the bus instead of rightly critiquing them and helping them move forward. Do not principles matter anymore or are we going to bow to pragmatism?

There is a way out, it may not be easy but let us use go to that option first and foremost instead of what seems to be the “always” caving of the conservatives.

freemkts

He won with a pluraity of the vote, barely a 1/3. The overwhelming majority of Missouri Republicans wanted someone else. And there’s no way any independents will vote for this clown.

Samsara

so I provided a link to the article entitlred “Rape Pregnancies are Rare” to show where Akin got his information. Not from the public schools as ss396 said, but from a leader of the pro life movement.

Dr. Willke gave several reasons why he thinks Rape Pregnancies are rare. Feel free to post them all. I selected this one:

“Finally, factor in what is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that?s physical trauma.”

I selected this argument because it was the one used by Mr. Akin.

I also find it remarkable that only 1% of the children killed by abortion each year were the offspring of rape. Can you provide a link?

Thank you

puritand71

Exactly who do you think the RINO’s are going to put in as their candidate in MO? Do you really think that the party leaders are going to allow the conservatives a voice?

Ann Coulter is now a conservative, since when did she apologize for her support of Romneycare?

Sadly, I think that these conservative leaders are more into pragmatism than they seem to be about principles. I am not saying that we ought not to criticize the man for his poor choice. However, criticizing and throwing the man under the bus are two different things.

I said where are the Republican leaders “calling Biden to resign” not that they “can make him.” They called out Weiner and others why not the VP, keeping the focus on his bumbling racist gaffs. Instead, we just let the WH off the hook and throw our own candidates under the bus.

Samsara

Abortion law should be determined by the States except in cases of reported rape or incest, where the victim and the family make the decision, and the Feds ensures that they have access to a provider.

Listening to passionate people like yourself brought me over to this position from a libertarian “government should have no role” stance.

And of course, no tax money of any kind should be used to pay for any abortion.

puritand71

Let me get this straight, if Akin stays in then the GOP should just pack it up and go home?

Wow, that is a brilliant idea. Let us surrender before the fight just as the Dems would want. The best way to defeat Claire is to support Akin as the candidate and fight. It is still winnable. It is still over two months away and with such short attention spans of the electorate this should not be to hard to overcome if done right.

Uma Richie

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3711005.pdf

See the chart on page 113.

The source is the Alan Guttmacher institute which began as the research arm of Planned Parenthood, but is now a government organization that is still partially funded by Planned Parenthood. They have absolutely no interest in minimizing the number of children killed by abortion because their fathers are rapists.

If you are unfamiliar with that statistic, you really have no business posting about this issue on a public forum. It is really basic to the debate. Spend some time researching violence against women on the Centers for Disease Control homepage. Additionally, you may want to peruse the research that others have tried to accomplish regarding the rarity of rape pregnancy through peer-reviewed medical articles on Google Scholar or the Department of Health and Human Services repository at pubmed.gov. You may be surprised that it’s not just pro-lifers who have advanced the stress hormone hypothesis.

cbartlett

In an ideal world, Aken should be able to apologize for a verbal blunder and go on. Like many others have already said, Biden and other liberals get away with saying things that are much, much worse every day and don’t even acknowledge that they did anything wrong, much less apologize. This should have been an issue for MO GOP and voters to decide. But this is NOT an ideal world – we have an extremely biased media helping the liberals make this much more of an issue than it ever should have been – and both Republicans and Drats making it a national issue. Since prominent Republicans all over the country are publically throwing him under the bus and withdrawing campaign funds, we have now given the MSM even more ammunition to use against Akin in ads. If this country goes down in flames because of ONE race in ONE state, I guess we are getting what we deserve. No way could our founding fathers have seen this kind of evil flourishing when they defined liberty in the Constitution. Sigh.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

See pages 112-117 of guttmacher.

And there’s more evidence here.

citizenkh

As I’ve stated before, I’ve seen this scenario played out to no good end. The unexpected happened when the nutcase beat the safest of safe incumbents.

This is about “Legitimate Rape” now, something that Erick doesn’t seem to get. Akin handed them the change in dialogue. Good guy but fatal mistake and not just about Akin either. This is going to be played in EVERY race now.

For those who cannot see this, I will pray for you… to get a brain.

Samsara

Will Bachmann kick Akin out of the Tea Party Caucus? She endorsed him in his Senate run.

https://www.stlbeacon.org/#!/content/24282/akin_tea_party_endorsement_041212

Perhaps it is time for Mrs. Bachmann to help undo some of the damage she has helped cause.

Samsara

nt

Samsara

Read them after supper.

puritand71

It is not a complex issue. But, hey, lets just tuck our tail between our legs and just go home. The problem seems to be that when called out in support, we like to run and hide and actually love playing the PC game.

Sure, let’s try to defend the illogical position that abortion is killing an innocent child but it is not murder when rape is involved, because that makes a lot of sense.

Pro-life is the right, correct, and winning argument, which is over the 50% threshold. The last time I checked the only 100% way of unwanted pregnancy is abstinence. Sadly, we want our play without the consequences which is not reality.

znjs

She’s more likely to make “rape can’t cause pregnancy” part of her campaign message.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

Just restraint.

Based on your logic, I suppose we shouldn’t have used force against the Nazi’s either. And why have laws against murder or rape or child abuse?

The only difference in abortion and murder is the location and size of the person.

runner12

Not trying to be rude, but your comments do not reflect that. I believe that I clearly stated that he was not being persecuted for his beliefs, a line that you typed directly from my comments and then repeated.

I just do not understand the point you are trying to make.

runner12

The guy simply does not care how this could affect his party or the future of this country. Hannity was hammering the guy with tough questions, and quite frankly he could not answer most of them. He admitted his statement was medically false and reiterated his apology, yet denies that he is hurting the party.

The delusional thinking and selfishness that I am seeing from Akin is driving me crazy. He obviously has no intention of withdrawing and seems to surround himself with people who will tell him what he wants to hear.

Does anyone know MO election laws? Could the Tea Party field a candidate this late and then all of the Conservatives back that person over Akin?

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

You can’t be a good conservative if you’re an idiot.

acat

and it is crystal {copulating} clear that he can not win without doing so.

Should Akin remain in, I shall blame him and his mentor, Huckabee.

The Huckster knows a thing or two about overstaying your welcome in an election, eh?

Mew

texasref

This is about standing up to the GOP establishment, which would like nothing better than to slow their declining power in Washington, and who is using an inarticulate moment as the weak excuse to do it.

What you say about one of the greatest authors of all time, C.S. Lewis, is true, but Akin’s sin here is not pride, but rather ignorance. And I’ll be damned if I submit to pressure from a bunch of establishment types (for the most part) who think because of one ignorant comment the will of the Republican voters in selecting their Senate nominee should be overthrown!

Finally, you say he “should not have to withdraw.” Then in the same paragraph you say he “must withdraw.” This proves that your instinct is right, and I just wish you would stick with it instead of let the bedwetters, well, get you all wet.

PowerToThePeople

nt

runner12

and they always have a double-standard. I agree with you that we need to stand up to the Left and not let them control the narrative or falsely demagogue a situation or an issue. The Left has certainly engaged in a lot of hyperbole in the Akin situation, but just because they are wrong does not mean that what he said was not offensive. Offensive to the point that not one prominent Conservative has come out to tell him to stay in the race.

Think about that for a moment.

The reality is that any Conservative who gets into the political ring knows he/she has an uphill battle. They must be shrewd when dealing with the media. I do not know if you have read Breitbart’s book, but let’s just say had Akin applied some of that wisdom he would not be in this mess.

I am a staunch so-con, but the guy has to go. This will not blow over or go away. The O campaign is desperate and they will use this to divert from their failures.

westcoastpatriette

of where things stand and why there is so much pressure for Akin to resign today is that today is the last day to withdraw before ballots are printed. If Akin withdraws after that, there will be added expenses to redo the ballot. Aside from that, the Republican Party of Missouri will pick the replacement if Akin caves into the pressure and withdraws.

From what I have read, it is up to the state party officers to pick who would replace Akin — which could also turn ugly.

runner12

Is there not a better candidate who could be a write-in or something? He will lose to McCaskill, you can bet on it. We need that Senate seat and we will not get it with that guy running.

Why won’t Akin just do the right thing and step aside? If we are to further the pro-life cause, we need people who can actually articulate our position. Not people who make insulting comments and use phony data.

demsaresatanic

after the first incoming round while men like Akin are fighting for the country. It is the Roves of the party who should go in my opinion.

Viet71

Akins fails this test.

Don’t care about his biological beliefs.

absdoggy

It’s past 5, he didn’t withdraw. So, all the handwringing can now stop, and so can all the crap about not funding him. He’s our candidate, let’s get him elected.

On the other hand, it’s going to be there for the next 2.5 months, hanging around our necks. Already, Steve King’s campaign is taking a hit – he went on TV yesterday to try and defend this, and blew a question on statutory rape / incest, making it sound like he doesn’t think these result in pregnancies. In the follow-up, his spokesperson blew it and said that King supports an exemption to the ban on federal funding of abortion for statutory rape or incest.

Romney said Akin should get out – why? His original statement was fine on this, and he should have left it at that. Now, he has to live with saying this – it’s for damn sure Romney/Ryan won’t be visting Missouri anytime soon. And now, Reince Priebus is out with a statement today that the party platform, which righly calls for a ban on abortion including rape/incest/statutory rape, isn’t the platform of Mitt Romney. Gee thanks Reince, what else is or is not in the platform of Mitt Romney?

As I feared, this is turning into a circular firing squad. It’s the economy or lack thereof – let’s get back on track and talk about what wins us this election.

acat

It can be done, but .. expensive and hard to pull off.

Mew

runner12

I am upset at what I view to be selfishness or delusion on Akin’s part. But can we stop with the God-bashing and “far-right ” comments? It is rude and uncalled for.

I happen to be both a Christ-follower and pro-life. That does not make me a whacko or of the “far right,” whatever that means.

I thought Akin’s comments were offensive and innacurate. I think he needs to go and I am angry that he is choosing to put himself above the good of the country. I pray he will drop out, but if he doesn’t perhaps we can employ the scenario you suggested of backing a write-in or Independent candidate.

acat

I mention this only because that ought to pretty well demolish any lasting impact of Akin’s .. misstep.

Mew

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

should have taken a different approach as well. They could have been stalwart in their defense of the pro life position without defending his statement and in effect deserting him. Then perhaps they could have convinced him behind the scenes to drop out.

From what I understand, he can still leave the race at a later time, and if polling indicates he’s losing, let’s hope he does. I just don’t like the way this whole thing went down, even though I agree he made a dumb statement.

Viet71

Like a rotten apple, he’ll fall from the tree in November.

Time to move on. Time to ignore Todd Akin.

runner12

But worth it if we can win the seat. We certainly won’t with Akin running.

satchman3

to democrats.
It’s so frustrating to me that he seems to not care about the presidential election. Any day that people aren’t talking about unemployment and the economy has got to be like Christmas for the White House plus they get to beat up on all republicans with the wedge issue of abortion. CNN is talking about the abortion language in the republican platform – nobody would care if it weren’t for Akin.

PowerToThePeople

after all this Akin crap, I needed this laugh and it was a hell of a laugh.

Thanks!

sulmak

I’ve been trying to ignore this issue as much as possible, but I heard him on Hannity

He gave a terrible interview, he seemed to give the same 45 second response to every question, and it wasn’t a very good response.

You don’t get a more softy interviewer for a Republican than Hannity, that is why any of them will go on his show, and he blew it.

Honestly, even without this controversy this guy probably couldn’t have won. If you can’t take a Hannity interview, you can’t take any other one.

westcoastpatriette

I’m not in the know re: MO election laws and whether write-ins are allowed.

As to your second question, I’m sure right now Akin does not think his error was egregious enough to force him out. You know how skewed and distorted motives can become in politics. Akin probably feels he fought hard to win the primary and from his standpoint, he strongly disagrees with those who think he should go. I am sure he has good reason to suspect the motives of many in the party who are trying to push him out, too. He won against two other conservatives and it was a close three-way race.

I am not trying to defend him. Just watching the drama unfold.

Melody Warbington (rwm52)

See here.

http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

But since you have one hand in use, I guess you’re short of fingers to even get to ten.

runner12

Respectfully, of course. I am actually proud of the Conservatives who withdrew their support. There was nothing to stand on to even begin to defend Akin.

Instead of standing up for his beliefs, he tried to justify them to the media by using factually innacurate information and an insulting comment to boot. He forgot or did not know one of Breitbart’s rules when engaging the Left-wing media complex which is ” never pretend to know more than you do.” That is not the kind of person that I want presenting the pro-life position.

The irony is that had he dropped out, I would probably think more of him. But now that he stubbornly refuses to see reality, it makes me view him as selfish and only concerned with holding onto power. Very sad.

liberty17

nt

runner12

Conservative leader and/or elected official. Many of whom would be way above suspicion by any reasonable person and are highly respected. EE, Malkin, Rush, Hannity, Amy Kremer of Tea Party Express, Ashcroft, Ron Johnson, and the list goes on and on. Not one prominent Conservative Senator has asked him to stay in the race.

Somehow I am reminded of the passage in Proverbs that states there is wisdom in many counselors. I would have hoped that Akin could have realized that today.

PowerToThePeople

as few leftist have much respect for others. Since it is obvious you have been raised correctly and retain your human decency, it is only a matter of time before your political eyes open and your heart has no problems accepting the truth.

liberty17

“The way of a fool seems right to him….” Prov.12:15

texasref

You have made the case better than anyone else for Akin to stay. I appreciate your opinion, and I share it.

demsaresatanic

the first to throw conservatives overboard when the going gets tough.
You could take every urinal out of the RNC and they would never be missed.

acat

He didn’t win the run-off based on the Tea Parties … they seemed kinda divided.

He seems to have won because he got money and a boost from … Huckabee and McCaskell.

I do not view either of them as particularly “conservative”… and would like to know whether your assertion that Akin is a conservative is based on fact, or based solely on Akin’s word.

Mew

jimmyg

Acat, Glad to see you walked back your prior support for Akin

texasref

nt

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

They could run as Republicans, as if they won the primary, just not as independents. Please clarify.

texasref

The decision has been made, FT. He was and is our candidate. I support the Republican. It’s time you did, too.

ladydoc

They should have made their case to Akin privately and in a more dispassionate way, focusing on the realities of the profound effects of his regretably ill-informed (and stupefying) comments. Instead, they publicly humiliate him (more than he already unwittingly did himself) and demand he resign from a hard-won Senate seat (highly likely his seat prior to his shoot-himself-in-the-foot move).

If, perhaps top R’s KNEW Akin was definitely going to stay in, then maybe it was strategically understandable for them to distance themselves/the R Party from him.

One of the bigger concerns I have with Akin as a candidate is that he didn’t come across as one who fully grasped how to rehabilitate himself in the face of the bumbling nature of his comments.

God bless Akin for his defense of the always innocent unborn children, including those conceived via rape. I have a friend who was conceived via rape which he discovered during his search for his birth mother and, duh, he’s a wonderful person as fully deserving of his right to have been born as the rest of us, as his mother agreed despite the trauma of how he was conceived. I hope she is able to reunite with her boy and feel pride in her brave and generous decision to not victimize him in a fruitless attempt to somehow obliterate the rape experience.

ceili_dancer

the “macaca” meme which should have blown over in a couple of days. But, we are dealing with professional agitators and contrived outrage.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Brunner and Steelman cant run as indies. They are Repubs.

Pressure Huckabee to have a ‘come to Jesus’ meeting with Akin.

The wheels are off the bus. Akin is toast.

The deadline was important but if Akin drops out now, it can still be done (with a court order) and there is money to pay for the cost of ballots.

But it has to be ASAP.

jimmyg

http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2012General/2012write_in.asp

redhat885

I knew it. Takes a brass set, good for him. There’s a lesson in all of this, and it will come to pass in November. Drop out indeed!

poorwilber

when you think of stupid things, DON’T actually say them into a microphone.

Apparently, you violated this principle again today when you said you’re “in it to win it”. Apparently, in the absense of wisdom, words continue to flow from your mouth to fill the void. Whoever is giving you political advice…..my advice…..is to fire them immediately.

If you can find someone who will honestly tell you to shut the hell up, hire them. In fact, don’t say another word until after the November election.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Nobody gives it up easily. I spent a day thinking he’d get over it, then changed my mind. For the candidate, its hard to see clearly why it would be impossible to win over some casual statements in an interview. Look, I can understand the feeling… it’s this guy’s CAREER.

Which is part of the problem. HE cant make the unselfish decision to step aside and let a stronger candidate beat McCaskill. He’d rather take a change and end up a loser and pariah.

Never was a fan of Huckster. Not a real conservative in my book. If Akin doesnt quit, its a big black mark on him as well.

jamesm

cause. Agreed he is good man and good conservative but he is acting out for his own glory and not the cause of getting rid of Obama and to win the Senate. We have to get ridof Obamacare and that requires winning the Senate. This is not about unborn children this is about a man that can not articulate conservative view he held for most of his life. He should not be in politics but have another occupation. This guy is a selfish person to put his personal ego above the greater good. Another prof life Repub would easily defeat McCaskill. Selfish.

Samsara

I see that 1 percent of women having abortions listed rape as the reason and .5 percent listed incest. This chart tells me what women in abortion clinics would self-report as the reason they were seeking an abortion.

This does not tell me how likely it is that a pregnancy will result from rape (the Akin / Dr. Willke issue). It also does not tell me how many women find themselves in the position of being pregnant from rape.

This abstract has been making the rounds in answer to these questions. it is from American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology
Volume 175, Issue 2 , Pages 320-325, August 1996

http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378%2896%2970141-2/abstract

It puts the rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year.

According to the Guttmacher Institute, there were 1.21 million abortions performed in the United States in 2008, the most recent year for which data is available.

http://prolifeaction.org/faq/abortion

My conclusions:
1: Way too many abortions.
2: Way too many pregnancys from rape.
3: Pro-life arguments saying rape pregnancys are rare falls flat.
4: Mr. Aken’s poor reiteration of Dr. Willke’s unproven theory has not helped the pro-life cause at all.

As to your statement “If you are unfamiliar with that statistic, you really have no business posting about this issue on a public forum” …all I can say is that I participate in forums like this to learn. The only credential I need is civility.

AceInTX

what proof do you have that McCaskill will win with Akin in…this is of a kind with the asinine assertion that we’ve always gotten from the RINO establishment that we can’t nominate a conservative because we’ll end up electing the Democrat.

What do the polls say?

My problem with this whole thing is this…I opposed the Democrats when they did this a decade ago replacing Robert Torricelli with Frank Lautenberg rather than lose a Senate seat in New Jersey….Republicans were justifiably outraged that the Dems would change the results of a primary to save a Senate seat with a D….and this is the same crap….and frankly…I’m more than a little skeptical that the establishment isn’t playing too cute by half in this. Cornyn and the rest of the usual suspects are just a little too quick to withdraw funding in this case and I can’t help myself in asking the question….Since Akin is staying in…and if the NRSC and the party bosses refuse to fund his campaign…is it really Akin’s fault if McCaskill get’s reelected….or is it the fault of the money boys in the establishment who withheld the funding

Color me jaded…but I smell a rat in this

texasref

The establishment can take their ball and go home. Fine. He didn’t need them before the primary, and he sure as hell doesn’t need them now.

The establishment went all-in to knock him out, and they can thank themselves for re-electing a pro-abort…or losing whatever clout they ever had when Akin goes on to win this thing. Either way, it exposes the Establishment for what it is…spineless and powerhungry.

Gosh they must really want him gone bad, they’ve even turned Erick and Rush against him. Not that they can’t think for themselves, mind you.

runner12

So much wisdom in one book. God surely knew what He was doing putting it in the Bible.

texasref

and by your definition unable to be a good conservative, and by your implication unable to continue as the Republican nominee for a U.S. senate seat, then you have one ridiculously ignorant and stupid standard for judging conservatism. Sir.

AceInTX

I smell a rat…and I mentioned to Commonsenseconservative above how opposed I was when the Dems pulled this crap in New Jersey in 2002….He’s the nominee…he made a verbal gaff he didn’t rape a little boy in public view and I’m just a little amazed that the party is so quick to throw the duly elected nominee of the party under the bus so summarily….

AND…. I know….were Akin to step aside….we’re not going to get a Rubio or Cruz to replace him….we’ll end up with a Collins or a Snowe in the seat because it’s the party bosses that are withholding funding who will hand pick the person who will replace him….it sets a dangerous precedent…

Finally….Now that Akin has said he won’t step aside…and if Cornyn and his ilk stick with their threat to not fund the race in MO….wo is really to blame if McCaskill end’s up winning reelection…and the Dems keep the Senate?

Will it really be Akin….or will it be the fault of the bosses who wet themselves so profusely yesterday when the Dems squealed “Infidel” and promised to withhold funding?

theforce75

He received 1.5 million from Dem Groups to win the Primary!! You are so ignorant….where are they now sir??? Hey Texas are you going to finance him? I doubt it!! Guess what the 1.5 million was given because it was published the DEMS figured he would be the easiest to beat and would implode…WELL HERE TEXAS he just imploded and guess what no more 1.5 million from Dem Operatives..

So he HAS NO MONEY SIR….so maybe you can open your big wallet since the GOP will give HIM NOTHING….I am proud the GOP will string him out to dry. Let him have HIS DIVINE PROVIDENCE send him money by HEAVEN UNION!!! You fool you have no idea!

Rush makes a mental midget like you look like a moron!! Live with it…and move to Missouri….you can help get him his 5-10 percent which is all he will get!! GOOD…HE IS SELFISH AND DESERVES IT!

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

It’s a fact of life.
We dont get the slack idiot Democrats get.
When our guys go macaca on us, they lose.

One idiotic statement CAN lose a race. Sadly, you and I may have to see this lesson in action because Akin selfishly wont quit and let a better conservative politician take his place.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

We STILL have this oppty.

Akin withdraws, gets a court order for a new candidate. This can be done anytime over the next 4 weeks. Akin CAN STILL WITHDRAW. MO GOP picks Brunner as the standin candidate for the GOP.

That is the best-case scanario at this point.

I firmly believe than any ‘independent’ effort that leaves Akin on the ballot is doomed to aid and abet McCaskill’s re-election, and leave us no better off than the status quo of simply hoping Akin pulls off a miracle.

texasref

Don’t be so hard on yourself.

LibertarianHawk

I’m no particular fan of the GOP establishment. But they’re right on this one — Akin needs to step aside.

I can understand why he wouldn’t want to — he’s been leading in the polls and won the primary fair and square (whether aided by Democratic support or not). But he needs to understand that it’s very unlikely now that he’ll ever be a US Senator. Republican pols are going to run away from him — he’ll have few friends. He’ll get little financial support from the party, etc. etc.

So the question before him is whether he bows out and gives the Republicans a chance to win the seat or stays in and drags the party down with him.. There is probably not a third option where, somehow, he ends up in the Senate — and one gets the impression he still thinks there is.

Yeah, he screwed up, etc. etc. And most gaffes are not lethal. This one was — you can’t differentiate between “legitimate” rape and some other kind of rape (which, by definition, somehow becomes illegitimate)….let alone make an absurd claim that rape victims won’t conceive.

The guy needs to go — and that’s coming from a grassroots conservative, not an establishment Republican.

texasref

That’s the gist of your comment.

So because we stand up for the right to life of the unborn child, who bears no blame for the act that created him, not only are we wrong in your horribly incorrect opinion–oh no, we are UNCIVILIZED. Got that.

Oh but wait, there’s more. By outlawing abortion even in cases of rape, we are forcing others to suffer. Seems like you’re laying the blame for suffering at the wrong location, sparky. I blame 100% the rapist. Now that the crime has been done, it’s our job as a society to make sure a second wrong doesn’t pass off as making a right.

We aren’t making anyone suffer; we are sparing the baby from the suffering of a D and C, with death that follows.

I really can’t stand your point of view, but what’s worse is you can’t just disagree with people, you have to call people who disagree with you uncivilized and forcing others to suffer. And you come across all reasonable-sounding in your passive aggressive liberal bullcrap.

I’m sick and tired of being labeled a barbarian for wanting to preserve life. If you want to hold the morally and logically defective position of holding it against the baby that its father is a rapist, you can take that nonsense and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine (instead of sharing it with us uncivilized folk, who really don’t need the ad hominem lecture).

texasref

That is all.

JX12

…and Akin is digging in. Guess we know now that his pride trumps his sense of duty to the country.

If this somehow ends up costing the Republicans a majority in the Senate, then I hope he and his pride are happy with having effectively doomed us to Obamacare in perpetuity.

garfieldjl

While I think Akins should be out, I am disgusted with the hypocrisy of the media…

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

The polls show Akin is toast. PPP salted poll, when corected, shows him down 7-9 points.

Consider this: 54% of Missouri voters think he should withdraw from the race. Only 35% say stay in.
A majority dont even want him on the ballot.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=be5d9bf6-7675-4341-920a-8fcb71d9e9de

Not only is his unfav/ fav 28.58.

daddyhink

Erick seems to know Todd. I do. He entered this race because God told him, too. That does not mean he will win, but at least now you understand why Todd takes his orders from a pay grade higher than Mitt Romney or John Danforth.
This morning on Morning Joe, as they called this Christian gentleman everything in the book, an icon appeared on the screen with Todd’s picture and the words: “Todd Akin vs. The World.” Read the 4th chapter of James and you might understand what may be happening.
I think Todd will win, but if he does not, he at least is obedient to the King of Kings, no matter the consequences or outcome.
Oh America needs more men like Todd Akin.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

You are as out-to-lunch as Akin himself. Every Republican and conservative of note has determined he will lose the seat. Its a winnable seat if he gets out, and we will lose it if he stays in. So for Akin to stay in is an act of pointless, fatal vanity that wil hurt him, and all of us as well, as it may prevent the repeal of Obamacare.

” I am struck by how far out if it he is.” – Charles Krauthammer

More people are calling on Akin to get out.

A majority of Missouri voters:
http://thepage.time.com/2012/08/21/missouri-gop-to-force-akin-out/

Every single living Republican Missouri Senator or ex-Senator:

http://thepage.time.com/2012/08/21/missouri-gop-to-force-akin-out/

U.S. Senator Roy Blunt called U.S. Representative Todd Akin?s recent statements ?totally unacceptable? and issued the following joint statement together with former Missouri U.S. Senators John Ashcroft, Kit Bond, John Danforth, and Jim Talent calling for Akin to step aside.

the people wanting Akin in are you, Air Claire, and Akin himself.

Uma Richie

when all I have is the abstract is frustrating. If you happen to buy the full article, please post what you can under fair use. The self-report problem that you have with the Guttmacher data is present here as well. Additionally, I don’t understand how a survey of adult women produced data about pregnancies in adolescents.

Abstract excerpted here, emphasis mine:
“national probability sample of 4008 ***adult*** American women took part in a 3-year longitudinal survey that assessed the prevalence and incidence of rape and related physical and mental health outcomes. RESULTS: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among ***adolescents*** and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator.”

Further, their estimate of annual rape incidence (600000 among adult women alone) is much higher than the current CDC estimate (300000 among all American women).

As to your conclusions:
1. Why do you think there are too many abortions? I thought choice was a good thing,
2. Way too many rapes in general. More women need firearms training and ownership.
3. Rape related pregnancies are rare compared to the number of men benefiting from legalized abortion in any circumstance.
4. Like most Americans, everything I know about Todd Akin I learned in the last 48 hours. Obviously I am not impressed. Coincidentally, the March for Life founder Nellie Gray passed away last week in her 90s. I watched an old interview of hers over the weekend where she outlined the history of how the pro-abortion movement became successful in legalization by getting a large percentage of the population to believe that abortion is acceptable in cases of rape, and then pushing the argument down the not-so-slippery slope from there. It may look bad now, but I think this is a conversation pro-lifers needed to have, and a time for politicians to reflect on whether their position is one of political expediency (I’m pro-life because that’s how I can get more votes in my district) or because they truly believe that every living human deserves the protection of the state.

I have no problem providing background information to people who wish to learn; however, I expect those coming to the table with an accusation to have their ducks in a row.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Seriously, look at the poll and the internals. You attack me without looking at the reality of where Akin stands. It’s horrible for Akin.

Almost 60% unfavorables and favorables in the 20s.

Akin is toast. He’s the Christine Odonnell of 2012. His defeat is inevitable and will hurt him, the prolife cause, conservatives and our chance to repeal Obamacare.

MCCaskill is the one person who really wants Akin in, she spent 1.5 million to get him to win …

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/democrats-spent-1-5-million-to-get-akin-elected-in-primary/

every single Republican across the country would breathe a sigh of relief if Akin stepped aside … which is what Erick Erickson was saying above.

We can recover the opportunity to win the seat, if pride, vanity and stubbornness dont get in the way. Its not too late for Akin to wake up to reality and defer to a better candidate. Akin’s followup interviews have been a disaster that only compounds the problem …

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2012/08/21/shame-on-you-todd-akin/

runner12

get out such as Malkin, Levin, Hannity, EE, Coulter, Rush, etc. Not exactly a group of people who fear the MSM or “back down” from a fight.

Check out Levin’s rant about Akin’s selfishness if he chose to stay in the race. It is linked on Ace of Spades. It is right on target.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

I’m not perfect. Nobody is. I’m not asking Akin to be perfect. Just someone who is not so gaffestastically radioactive, he manages to imply rape victims who get pregnant are not really rape victims (“legitimate rape …shut the thing down”)

This is a layup election…. BUT AKIN BLEW IT.

He is now 7-9 points behind McCaskill and is an unwinnable candidate. Its a ‘lean Dem’ seat, while McCaskill herself is as popular as Herpes. But Akin managed to be worse.

You seem to think this is about prolife principles, when it is REALLY about the level of shock, outrage and scorn created by his medically ignorant statement that women might not be real rape victims if they are pregnant. And the further “war on women” mileage the Obama Team will get out of it. Imagine – Obama dissed the press for 2 months, and Akin’s comment was reason for him to jump out there and lay in … why? The Left *planned* it that way. Akin is their foil. The Left needs Akin.

We dont. We have 2 good conservatives – Brunner and Steelman – in the wings. Others too if needed.

They can win. Akin cant. Its not too late for Akin to do the right thing and withdraw.

We dont need perfect, we need folks who wont lose through foot-in-mouth disease.
Akins contracted a fatal dose of it. Better to end it now than to lose the seat in november.

jamesm

Become a minister. Feed the poor, sick and injured. Write a book on Christian values. His selfishness drove his decision. Desire for power. How is he going to convince the voters when he can’t speak right on one of his dearest held values. This is one selfish act.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

He just needs to go to a court to do at this juncture.

The question now is dragging him to that court and getting him to do the right thing.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Yes, thanks. The list of peopole wanting Akin to withdraw is too long to mention. Malkin, Levin, Hannity, EE, Coulter, Rush, National Review, American Spectator, Hugh Hewiitt, etc. who is NOT coming around to it?

Oh, and to make this a selffulfilling event, NRSC. No money = no campaign = toast:

” ?This is undoubtedly a difficult time for Congressman Akin, but the stakes in this election are far bigger than any one individual. By staying in this race, Congressman Akin is putting at great risk many of the issues that he and others in the Republican Party are fighting for, including the repeal of ObamaCare.

?It should not be lost on anyone that some of the only voices not calling for Congressman Akin to do the right thing and step aside are Claire McCaskill and the leaders of the pro-abortion movement. Senator McCaskill knows that the only way she wins re-election is if Todd Akin is her opponent in November.

?We continue to hope that Congressman Akin will do the right thing for the values he holds dear, but there should be no mistake ? if he continues with this misguided campaign, it will be without the support and resources of the NRSC.?”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/breaking-todd-akin-tells-mike-huckabee-hes-staying-in-race

runner12

attacked for it, at least not on the GOP side. I respect Akin’s faith in God, as it is my own. But as Christians, when we make a mistake we own up to it (which Akin did). We do not hide behind God and claim we are being attacked for our faith when in reality we are being criticized for our error. Even Akin himself is not using this defense, to my knowledge.

The problem is that instead of standing on his beliefs, Akin fell into the media trap of trying to justify his pro-life views using faulty science and in doing so used insulting terminology.

Now it appears to be an issue of pride. Pride is not something God likes or approves of. Many fellow Christians have called for Akin to step down. Are they attacking him because of his faith? Of course not.

We are facing great evil in this country and it will take a lot of prayer and effort to defeat it. For the good of the nation, Akin must step down.

I sincerely hope none of my comments came across as snarky or unkind. It was well meant from a fellow Christ-follower.

texasref

would breathe a sigh of relief if you stopped playing your one-note, one man marching band.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

Chorus of calls from many corners of the conservative movement and GOP have said: Akin should withdraw for the good of the country and the party.

You keep shooting at the messenger. Denial is strong in you.

jamesm

Repubs want this guy out. I can’t figure out who want’s Akin to stay in more — McCaskill or denial rock thrower.

proudmarinemom

Because of one stupid statement, the Electoral College Map will go blue. My well-educated, wealthy, stuck-up Liberal friends and family will vote for Obama because of this one, isolated, idiotic statement by a nobody.

If the GOP and the Non-GOP force him out, we may still have a chance, otherwise. its over. The Electorate is that shallow. Trust me.

fromthesidelines

In a nutshell, the problem is this — while Independents fear that Liberals may be wrong, they fear even more that Conservatives may be irrational.

And this plays right into it. This has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do the fact that a prominent Conservative in a closely watched Senate race revealed he is capable of being incomprehensible ignorant of a basic reality. You can be both pro-life and rational. That’s ok. This is not about that. This isn’t a gaffe. This isn’t inarticulateness about abortion. This is irrationality. This is what Independents fear most.

The short-term solution, if you care to hear it — R&R need to ignore this entirely. Instead, tomorrow, they emphatically state their support for science advancement and education, for initiatives that help foster technology innovation and international competitiveness, etc, and provide specific policy proposals addressing these areas. Put out a completely different narrative. Demonstrate that the leadership of the GOP lives in the real world, where science, technology, facts and reality matter. Yes, beliefs matter. But reality matters, too.

The longer term solution — stop being afraid of the so-called “main stream media”, stop talking to only people of like mind, and allow that people that disagree with you are not fundamentally evil. Otherwise, should Conservatives only become more disconnected and insular, it only makes it easier for circus clowns like this to hide amongst you in plain sight.

Samsara

a lot of ducks to line up on this issue.

Tbone

Calm down. The only people dumber than Akin the Cretin are the voters. If people vote for Obama because of this idiot’s statement then this Country, the voters and their children and grand children DESERVE to live in a liberal, socialist, fascist hell.

civil truth

…as expressing in a nutshell the dilemma of the Independent voter.

Your fourth paragraph (with the exception noted in my next paragraph) is quite accurate but applies to both sides of the political divide. Many on the left dwell in their echo chamber too.

However, I can’t agree regarding the MSM – over the years, it’s clear that journalists in the MSM have moved from the principle of reporting the truth to a postmodern approach of interpreting and crafting the news to conform to their preconceived group think of the way things should have happened. In other words, a rampant confirmation bias to exclude the possibility of facts or debate from altering convictions, preferring instead to treat conservative views as illegitimate particpants in the public arena.

It’s not fear but facing reality – conservatives thus know the lay of the land and the tilting of the playing field.

And an test example will be how the media plays the Akin fiasco in the coming days and weeks – will they continue to give widespread publicity along with the editorizing and “expert analysts” trying to paint the entire Republican party with the brush of one Senator candidate. And compare this with how they treat other wildly inaccurate and irrational statements that come from the Democratic side of the aisle – from the V.P. on down -, damping those events as mere aberrations that have no broader significance.

The outcome being, of course, that the MSM is reinforcing their notion that only Republicans/Conservatives/Tea Party affiliates are irrational.

demsaresatanic

of being incomprehensible (sic) ignorant of a basic reality? without quoting what he said that fits your definition; you merely join in the chorus of vague allegations.

wintermute

its just another distraction, its not a game changer. we’ll get through it. your stuck up liberal friends and family were already going to vote for him, anyways.

acat

I’d prefer MO GOP pick Steelman.

Mew

commonsenseobserver

I very much doubt he will change his mind. We need to be prepared for different scenarios anyway. Kit Bond if he doesn’t withdraw, Steelman if he does.

But, really, should we bring in Nancy Reagan, the Bushes, Quayle, Cheney, Dole, McCain, and Palin to force him out?

acat

I think it’s coming from the McCaskill side.

McCaskill’s campaign admitted to making quite a large donation to Akin to get him over the line in the runoff *because they want to run against him*.

Someone paid for that PPP poll (the one that’s R+9 in a State that went R+3 in 2010 and D+6 in 2008) showing he still beats her post-gaffe.

For the rest of the campaign season, other GOP candidates will have to answer “Do you agree with Akin?”.

If McCaskill wins, I will place some of the blame on her campaign, but reserve most for the Missouri voters who couldn’t tell they were being flim-flam’d.

Mew

westcoastpatriette

here I am again, butting in, but, see thisfor an explanation for why Steelman and Brunner cannot be write-ins or run if Akin withdraws.

Note my new trick. Finally learned how to embed a link.

acat

We’re also somewhat in wish-think … in that Akin seems stubbornly determined to ride this hurricane out….

So long as Akin remains around, you’re correct, we’re going to need essentially a third party longshot. (i.e. a Murkowski)

That said, the rules get a little different if Akin withdraws. At that point, MO GOP (I think…) get to name a replacement. I am under the impression that they would not have the same restrictions that would apply in this case, i.e. they would be able to name Steelman (or Brunner)… but only if Akin is gone.

It may be better, though, for Conservatives to see whether there’s a “good enough” candidate available, who did not run in the primary, on short notice.

Mew

tnfriendofcoal101368

I think even the deadline allowing for replacement has passed. I think (and this one I am not sure of – it is gleaned from twitter feeds so take the source for what it is worth) – the Missouri GOP can ask the courts to remove Akin as their nominee – I am unsure on who would replace him. I’d leave that up to someone like Bill S. to explain through.

As a practical matter, my belief is Akin is the nominee for better or worse (elections even Primaries have consequences) and the US of A is better off with Todd Akin than the national chairwoman of Obama’s 2008 election campaign (though she is loath to admit that nowadays least it negatively affect her freedom to rubber stamp Obama legislation in the future).

wlcjr

Does not work against women that see the possibility that they, at 45 yrs old and married w/ kids and thinks she is in menopose, yet gets pregnant. Which does not happen often but women think about those things.
Or the mother of a 14 yr old girl that wonders if her daughter will get pregnant. Many women see the possiblilty of something along these lines happening, and will vote to keep abortion somewhat legal.

Last I looked, 30% of Anericans do not even think abortion is immoral, so you are ailenating those voters right from the start.

And “my logic” is applied to divisive and complex social issues the society has clearly not decided upon, not agreed upon issues like fighting Nazis, murder, and rape.

acat

I don’t have a feel for just how far from the Missouri mainstream Akin is …

Mew

tnfriendofcoal101368

Vote for the robot that does whatever Obama tells her to? In a schadenfreude kind of way, Missouri gives me comfort in voting for Bob Corker. As MBecker said, ‘I’d vote for Akin, then I’d vomit’.

acat

We don’t know if or when Akin will drop.

I would suggest a Murkowski play.

Mew

acat

It nukes the “knuckle-dragger” meme for the GOP to publically oppose Akin at this point.

Mew

tlhanger

We have Clinton as a rapist and he apologizes and we all say okay, and he did it more than once. We have Eric Holder who will not obey the law of the land, and when do you see it in the paper? Sure Akin misspoke, he said he was sorry. The people in Missouri like him, yet we want to slay his career. I really am sick of us eating our own.

RS

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