It’s time for a broadside on SCHIP


Democrats want to tax the poor to expand an unpopular program for the poor to those who aren't, well, poor

Congress is currently debating legislation that would force Americans to pay billions of dollars to take an unpopular taxpayer-funded program for poor children and expand it so that non-poor, non-children will be granted access to benefits.

The program is the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), a taxpayer-funded health coverage program that provides federal dollars to states in an effort to give children in working (and nonworking) poor families a health insurance safety net. SCHIP, which was created in 1997 as a supplement to Medicaid, has grown since its inception, with 41 states raising the minimum income required for enrollment and over 10 percent of the 6 million enrollees nationwide being over the age of 18.

SCHIP and Medicaid together, according to the Department of Health and Human Services, currently insure 45% of all children in America.

Now, Congressional Democrats are moving to expand that number to as close to 100% as possible, not just by covering previously uninsured children with the expanded program, as they claim is their goal, but by crowding out private insurance providers by implementing a massive incentive (not having to pay for coverage) to those holding private policies to bolt that coverage and enroll in an insurance program that is funded by their neighbors.


Learning from Previous Examples

This massive expansion of taxpayer-funded health coverage cannot and will not work, as recent examples have clearly shown. Take Hawaii, for instance. In March, the Aloha State implemented a program called “Keiki Care,” which was ostensibly designed to provide health insurance to children whose parents’ income was too high to qualify for Medicaid (over $73,000) but too low to afford private coverage. The result of this coverage offering was an avalanche of private policyholders dumping their insurance coverage and enrolling in the “free” program, crowding out private insurers and so overwhelming Keiki Care that Gov. Linda Lingle (R) was forced to close the doors on the entire program only seven months after its inception.

“People who were already able to afford health care began to stop paying for it so they could get it for ‘free,’” said Dr. Kenny Fink, an administrator for Hawaii’s Department of Human Services.

In all, a staggering 85% of children enrolled in Keiki Care had previously been enrolled in private insurance programs, which their parents had dropped like a hot rock when given the opportunity to have their neighbors pay for their children’s health coverage instead of doing so out of pocket. Seeing this, Lingle correctly judged that, in the face of massive budget shortfalls and a staggering economy, using taxpayer dollars to provide health insurance for people who already have it was not the best direction for the state of Hawaii to take.

Already an Unpopular Program

Democrats’ efforts to expand SCHIP in 2007 was met with stiff resistance from President George W. Bush, who didn’t oppose the expansion itself so much as the fact Democrats wanted to greatly relax the program’s eligibility requirements when nearly 2/3 of uninsured children in America are already eligible to enroll, but their parents choose not to take advantage of the opportunity for whatever reason. Further, 42% of that number were actually enrolled in a state SCHIP or Medicaid program in 2007, but declined to renew their enrollment — a clear sign that these government-controlled health care programs are not the bromides for the broken health care system that their proponents claim.

“On paper the benefits are generous, like coverage for dental work, ambulance services, and prescription drugs, but it pays providers so little that you can’t find anyone who takes it; so it’s an empty promise,” said Greg Scandlen, director of The Heartland Institute’s Consumers for Health Care Choices. “Almost half of the people who are eligible and were on the plan left it within a year. They experienced the program and dropped out.”

States have turned to more and more drastic measures in an effort to get somebody to sign up for SCHIP and its equivalents. Last year in Maryland, for example, state health officials teamed up with state comptroller Peter Franchot to go through residents’ tax records for the express purpose of finding families who were eligible to enroll their children in SCHIP and notifying them — repeatedly — of their eligibility. In 1999, New Jersey expanded eligibility for the program to include families making 3.5 times the federal poverty level (FPL), and has maintained that threshold in order to maintain the appearance of an impressive enrollment level in the program.

The solution to underenrollment in SCHIP, according to federal and state governments, has never been to make the program more attractive to those it was intended to assist; rather, state after state — and now the federal Congress — has responded to the low number of SCHIP enrollees by trying to extend eligibility to a larger pool of people as a whole.

Shouting Down Commonsense Reform

In 2008, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), at President Bush’s behest, issued a commonsense directive tightening, rather than expanding, SCHIP eligibility requirements by forcing states to limit the program to children whose family income was 2.5 times FPL or less. Under this directive, families making $44,000 per year or more would have been removed from the SCHIP rolls, and held out of the program until their state had enrolled 95% of its eligible uninsured in the program.

Crowd-out was to be prevented by a portion of the regulation prohibiting states from allowing the number of children insured in the private market to fall more than two percentage points over a five-year period, thereby keeping states from enticing those already enrolled in private plans to drop their coverage and join the taxpayer-funded rolls.

Unfortunately, Bush rescinded this directive after coming under pressure from state governments and advocacy groups who wanted to keep expanding SCHIP beyond its originally-intended scope, using it as a gateway to filling the taxpayer-funded insurance rolls with a continuously-increasing percentage of the American population regardless of age or income.

A Flawed Funding Source

The SCHIP legislation currently being debated by Congress seeks to fund the massive program expansion through billions in new tobacco taxes. The tendency on the part of state and federal governments to shift an ever-growing portion of their funding base onto the backs of smokers, while simultaneously claiming the purpose of this “sin” tax is to encourage smokers to quit the habit, is a Catch-22 of such comedic proportions that only government could actually take such actions and make such claims with a straight face.

In fact, the SCHIP expansion proposed by Congressional Democrats will actually require almost 23 million non-smoking Americans to “pick up the habit” in order to provide all the funding needed to pay for the program — and that is according to conservative estimates.

The number of tobacco users in the U.S. has been declining, not increasing, in recent years. This means that, with this legislation, Congress is attempting to expand a struggling program by tying it, through regressive tax increases, to a declining revenue stream which is disproportionately made up of lower-income and indigent Americans.

While its funding base declines, and America’s working poor are forced to shoulder more of the burden for a health care program ostensibly created to insure their children, the costs associated with SCHIP will continue to rise, likely more than doubling (according to Congressional Budget Office figures) as a direct result of this proposal. Ironically, this increased burden will be placed on the poor to foot the bill for providing health insurance so bad that they don’t even want it to people who are several rungs higher on the economic ladder than they.

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House Just Voted on SCHIP

Brian Darling Wednesday, January 14th at 3:01PM EST (link)

The bill passed the House 289-139. Ds broke down 249-2 and Rs 40-137.

OMG

Praying Wednesday, January 14th at 6:50PM EST (link)

Socialized medicine - step 1. I absolutely cannot believe this! And when they can’t raise the money by increased taxes on cigarettes, then they’ll drop it, right? Yeah, right. They’ll raise taxes on the very few of us left who actually pass taxes. Atlas will shrug, sooner rather than later.

 
 

Who are the 40 Republican idiots?

izoneguy Wednesday, January 14th at 3:03PM EST (link)

No doubt from Blue States

“When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”
Thomas Jefferson

Names:

Jeff Emanuel Wednesday, January 14th at 3:36PM EST (link)

Austria (OH-07)

Bono Mack (CA-45)

Buchanan (FL-13)

Cao (LA-02)

Capito (WV-02)

Castle (DE-AL)

Dent (PA-15)

Diaz-Balart, L. (FL-21)

Diaz-Balart, M. (FL-25)

Ehlers (MI-03)

Emerson (MO-08)

Frelinghuysen (NJ-11)

Gerlach (PA-06)

King, P. (NY-03)

Kirk (IL-10)

Lance (NJ-07)

LaTourette (OH-14)

Lee, C. (NY-26)

LoBiondo (NJ-02)

McCotter (MI-11)

McHugh (NY-23)

Miller, C. (MI-10)

Moran, Jerry (KS-01)

Murphy, T. (PA-18)

Paulsen (MN-03)

Petri (WI-06)

Platts (PA-19)

Rehberg (MT-AL)

Reichert (WA-08)

Rogers, Mike D. (AL-03)

Ros-Lehtinen (FL-18)

Simpson (ID-02)

Smith, C. (NJ-04)

Thompson, G. (PA-05)

Tiberi (OH-12)

Turner (OH-03)

Upton (MI-06)

Wolf (VA-10)

Young, C.W. (FL-10)

Young, D. (AK-AL)

JE

Bono Freaking Mack

Neil Stevens Wednesday, January 14th at 7:00PM EST (link)

I wish I could run against her myself…

Want to run for conservatives? Give.
There Is No Crisis

 

We finally oust Jefferson (D-in his freezer!!) and his replacement Cao (LA-02) sells out on his first big issue...sad....nt

Attack Mode Wednesday, January 14th at 7:33PM EST (link)

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

 
 

Cowards is more like it

zuiko Wednesday, January 14th at 4:47PM EST (link)

They’d hate to go on record as opposing “the children.”

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

 
 

AARP wants healthy Future Retired Persons, too

Amy_Menefee Wednesday, January 14th at 4:29PM EST (link)

This has a up side

I am a sociology professor who got his Masters in 2005. Wednesday, January 14th at 8:57PM EST (link)

First, it is a substantial increase to a justifiable population, children. This means that future legislation expanding government health care will be more difficult to pass.

Second, it will save us money. 32 billion over a few years is cheap. Florida spends 4.4 billion a year on Emergency Room visits, which is where uninsured children end up. The cost are extreme. Getting tonsils taken out is over 4 g’s alone. The majority of E visits are white women, (pregnancy), and 58% of hospital visits are to the E room. We have socialized medicine a long time ago, folks, and in the most expensive and crude way.

This is for anyone who wants to check out the cost.
http://www.floridahealthfinder.gov/researchers/documents/Emergency%20Department%20Utilization%20Report%202006.pdf

Third, our disorganized health system screws us all. I’m tired of getting a cold because someone else can’t get basic meds. Trust me, its happened to you more than you know. I served tables for years and on any given shift people are serving food who are sick. Then you get sick. Im tired of paying for some expensive treatment for something that could have been prevented with a simpler procedure at an earlier date or meds.

Fourth, this is a national security issue. If you think terrorist have not considered spreading disease as a means to disrupt economic activity, kill millions, and create a general sense of fear then you are a more optimistic person than I. Disease spread is extremely effective because the terrorizing takes on a life of its own. People become reluctant to leave their houses. Large sections of the population become infected quickly. Knowledge of the attack is slow to emerge as the uninsured are not regularly seeking healthcare. The damage a well placed disease to life and economic activity could make 32 billion look like a drop in the bucket. Our rapidly increasing transportation capabilities present challenges as we come in contact with objects that originated far away from us. This a reality that can not be ignored.

Fifth, we build jails based upon literacy scores in elementary school. Can’t read, go to jail. Poor health, can’t learn. I’m tired of paying so much money to house someone who does nothing. You know that poor people will vandalize property just to get a couple months to get illness dealt with, usually dental. So, the way we are doing know means someone’s property loses value, we pay for someone to go to jail and have a public defender, and then give them healthcare services. We spend a lot of money expect people to be responsible. When they don’t, we foot the bill eventually. Out of 302 million people , why would we not assume that people would act irresponsibly. Like it or not, we are trapped. Fix them up when they fall down, put them in jail when they break laws. Either way, we pay. So, how are we going to pay for it, in denial as if one day everyone is going to be responsible. Its almost like we are more concerned with “appearing to give undeserving people handouts” then concerned with the fact that we are giving undeserving people handouts.

note to the author-its a progressive tax, not regressive. progressive-rich pay. regressive, poor pay. The argument that the poor are somehow going to account for 32 billion is a massive stretch. Sure, they might pay some, but we all know where the money’s coming from. And yes, cig taxation is problematic, but decreased smokers mean decreased health care cost. The working class and poor are slightly more likely to smoke, but the middle class and rich spend more money on cigs. Also, the research findings regarding social class and smoking are somewhat misleading because youth in college are officially poor, have high rates of smoking, but predominately middle to upper class. Additionally, the decrease in smoking is only marginally tied to increased taxation and is moreso explained by population dynamics. Its like the gang/incarceration/drug war of the 80’s, the largest population group was 18-35. Now, we are old and tired.

If you have come for my gun, rethink that!

Wha?

JDidSaint Thursday, January 15th at 1:05PM EST (link)

1. I take this to mean that by acquiescing now, we will head off future spending. I believe you’re saying that by giving the government 32 billion now, they won’t ask for 64 billion next year. I’m not sure why you believe this though. Do you think that the government’s thirst for money is quenchable? Or do you think that they’d be ashamed to come back for more? The government operates on the principle: give us a free fish… score! There’s probably a ton more free fish over here!

2. This is possible, I don’t know the actual figures. Irregardless, universal healthcare transfers the responsibility for the debt from the one receiving services to their neighbors who don’t necessarily gain from those services (by force, I might add.) One of my former roommates broke his jaw in college and didn’t have insurance. The emergency room fixed him up on the taxpayer’s dime (might have been the hospital’s, I don’t remember.) HOWEVER, his estate is responsible for the $32,000 he was unable to pay. We may have given him a loan, but his estate will pay it back in the end, unlike universal healthcare which would have bargained the price down to $10,000 and pocketed $22,000 somewhere in the bureaucracy.

3. I think most people are just inconsiderate. However, people can go to minute clinics if it really is something communicable that is easy to fix - oftentimes for about the price of a co-pay.

4. I don’t understand how universal healthcare will alleviate this national emergency. People will get treated? People will get treated anyway, especially in the case of a national emergency. I don’t think someone would be denied access to a medical facility if they had been exposed to anthrax…

5. If jails are so nice and the healthcare so good that people would give up all their rights and privileges for months at a time to sit in them, we need to reexamine the facilities, not the healthcare system. Should we subsidize cable TV because prison has cable TV? No, we should take away cable TV from the prisons. If the prisoners aren’t as responsible for the costs of healthcare in prison as they are outside, then that is an oversight that should be corrected.

The cigarette tax is just a way for liberals to tax something most people don’t like to the detriment of those that do like it. Alcohol seems evil, so we have higher taxes on that as well. Hey, at least these taxes equally impact those who pay income tax and those who don’t.

“I’d rather go through the pain of the re-emergence of free markets than endure the long suffering of a socialist state. One is natural and comes from that spark of human desire; the other is imposed and smothers the flame of ingenuity.”-Crowe (from RedState!)

No sir, not ideology, practical action

I am a sociology professor who got his Masters in 2005. Thursday, January 15th at 7:57PM EST (link)

1. They will ask, and they will have spent their political capital on this issue. Additionally, this is peanuts, annual taxation is 7.1 trillion. Let them take it, claim bi-partisan cooperation and filibuster the shit out of the next appropriation or legislative action. Claim that we have achieved universal health care for minors and frame it as a resolved issue. Push back to hard and they will get more that we want to give. You do realize we are playing some heavy defense right? Pick your battles wisely, we lack political capital. We already look like hypocrites in just about every policy area and now we are going to oppose medicine for kids. Thats great. How does a party that claims to be christian, pro-life, and family values oppose giving minors medical care? This is a loser. We will end up looking like sore losers who are trying to score political points at the expense of kids.

2. Are you not aware that we already pay for their health care? These are cost which are already being transferred to the public. Its not a matter of whether we are going to pay for health care for the poor. We already do. How would you like to pay? Your story about your friend is laughable because you are making up numbers. Find me an example of hospitals legally pocketing 22,000 in administrative cost.

The pdf I provided covers payments made to the hospital, so it is an accurate reflection of what is spent. What you and I pay for

3. Yes, people are inconsiderate and responsible. That is a fundamental aspect of my argument and government can’t make them considerate. So, do want to get a cold or not? Medicine can prevent a cold, but not make people responsible. The role of government is to govern and control large populations. It can do some things and it can not do others.

4. Doctors administer medicine. Disease goes away. Person does not spread disease to others.
Really dude, you don’t get it.

5. Yeah! Jails are great! Thats exactly what I am saying. And we should provide universal TV!

Do you really not understand how basic governmental regulations and services are organized?

Jail has free doctor
poor people poor
doctor cost money
poor people commit crime to get free doctor.

Taking doctors out of the jail is not an option. Nor is taking away TV’s. Because criminals are angry violent people and if you piss them off and treat them like shit then they will start breaking shit and killing each other. Now your paying to put them 6 feet under. That cost more than doctors and TV. Politics is about the lesser of two evils, not an ideal society. You leave with 302 million other people, its not going to be ideal.

If you have come for my gun, rethink that!

Response

JDidSaint Friday, January 16th at 1:20PM EST (link)

1. We have public schools. Are liberals happy with the amount of money we spend there? By opposing SCHIP now, we can point to it when it’s no longer recognizable, covering anyone and everyone under the sun and say, “See how expensive this got? We told you this was a bad idea.” If we go along to get along, we’ll be just as culpable in the future and have given the libs a platform to say, “You supported this expenditure. Why won’t you support ‘Super happy fun time bill for kittens H.12596?’ Do you hate kittens?”

2. It’s government I worry about pocketing money. Talk to somebody who operates a doctor’s office. Many would take $.60 on the dollar if the person would pay cash instead of medicare/medicaid.

3. You’re talking about required medical visits? Are we cattle? Are we going to have required appointments yearly? Monthly? Weekly? Whenever the SS notices someone with a cold? What’s the sentence for missing a visit?

Also, I COMPLETELY disagree with you on the role of government. They are supposed to protect and possibly provide infrastructure to large populations, not control them.

4. If there is an ebola outbreak somewhere in the U.S., do you think the government would sit idly by? “Well, you voted down universal healthcare. You can all just get ebola and die as far as we’re concerned.”

5. I’m not saying, “Let’s let anyone who has made a mistake die.” I’m saying, if I fell on hard times and had to move home, I would pay rent. If I couldn’t afford rent, I would pay it back when I could in any way I could. Why are we giving free room and board to people who haven’t fallen on hard times but have thrust hard times on to others? Why shouldn’t prisoners make their own way?

Operant conditioning says that when you reward a behavior, that behavior is more likely to occur in the future. I don’t think violent people need coddling.

“I’d rather go through the pain of the re-emergence of free markets than endure the long suffering of a socialist state. One is natural and comes from that spark of human desire; the other is imposed and smothers the flame of ingenuity.”-Crowe (from RedState!)

You have not disgreement with me sir, but webster

I am a sociology professor who got his Masters in 2005. Monday, February 2nd at 9:31PM EST (link)

Government, root word-govern.

In terms of your arguments. You have included many false statements. I definitely agree that we should not reward behavior we don’t want. But, our current incentive structure does exactly this.

Like it or not, your poor, you want medical care, committing a crime is a viable option, especially if you have a record. I talk to prisoners everyday, they have not reason to lie to me, they’re responses are confidential. I’m like, “why the hell did you do this, break a window and get busted for small amount/”. They’re like, “I needed bout six months, had to have a some work done on my mouth, summer job does start for a while so I got no place to be. Jails ok, meals, lifting weights, chillin, drugs are cheaper, and connections that sometimes pay-off on the outside”.

Yeah, our prisons are defacto welfare/criminal training programs. They sound good but don’t function.

In terms of most doctors offices, they love government programs. Its a guaranteed pay-out and they know how to game the system. You might be thinking of hospitals, who become ER facilities, and whose administration is relatively antagonistic towards g-programs. But, the real opposition, for obvious reasons, is the insurance and medical rep industry. Both thrive off private relations and are damaged by public funds.

And yes, the government needs to make people get check ups. You, nor do I, have the right to walk around like a disease spreading machine. Yes, as population size grows this became a national security issue. If the government can incarcerate, conduct domain acquisition, and draft warriors, they can administer some pills and shots.

What, you think when peeps join the military they don’t get the works. Government knows, the quickest way to lose a war is illness.

If you have come for my gun, rethink that!

 
 
 
 
 

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