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CPAC ’12 Prediction: Boycotts!! (or, ‘Will Ron Paul be Disinvited from Next Year’s Conference?’)

I won’t waste your time rehashing the lengthy, and more often than not completely inane, arguments over many conservatives’ effective “boycotts” of CPAC, which included derogatory comments toward non-attendees, asinine commentary, and idealistic statements about “inclusion” from many folks who’d never attended a CPAC before in their lives.  The fact is, these were in many cases carried out through the simple decision not to attend a conference which chose this year to radically change its purpose from a motivating (and motivated) gathering of conservative activists to, apparently, a Big Tent Party at which no view, however radical, was unwelcome, and at which traditional stalwarts of conservatism like pro-life and pro-values Republicans were expected to show up for appearance’s sake, but stay “muted” for the duration, while groups like GOProud, whose Chairman and co-founder was an operative for the loathsome pro-sex-trafficking, pro-infanticide organization that is Planned Parenthood, were being fêted for their self-definition as edgy, modern “conservatives.”

I also won’t waste your time rehashing the vindication experienced by those conservatives who chose not to attend a conference which ended up being the scene of such embarrassing events as the shouting down of Vice President Dick Cheney with cries of “war criminal!” and “show us the shekels!,” and a staged walk-out on former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld when the latter was being presented with a Defender of the Constitution award.

When the conference was held as scheduled, those who repeatedly denounced the “boycotters” (who in most cases simply chose to continue on with their daily lives over yet another February weekend rather than attend a non-mandatory event in a location – Washington, DC – which, contrary to its residents’ apparent belief, exists at a location which is both a considerable distance from many folks’ homes, and which is not the center of the universe), immediately claimed victory over the non-attendees – an action which belied a great misunderstanding of the purpose behind many conservatives’ non-attendance in the first place, as well as a lack of attention to the all-important longue durée.

And lo and behold, in the light of that larger picture and longer view, it appears that the folks who went all-in for a Libertarian version of CPAC this year achieved a “victory” which can be described as Pyrrhic at best:

Groups supporting ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ repeal or gay marriage will no longer be allowed to participate at CPAC

Al Cardenas, the new chairman of the American Conservative Union (ACU), announced on CSPAN Wednesday that the his organization, which hosts the annual CPAC event, will now vet organizations before allowing them to participate.

The statement hints that gay conservative organization GOProud, a group whose participation infuriated social conservatives, and other groups determined insufficiently conservative by the ACU may not be welcome at next year’s 2012 CPAC.

Cardenas said that groups advocating for the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” or supporting gay marriage would not be welcome.

“If you are a group, and this has got nothing to do with your orientation,” said Cardenes, “of straight couples, and you advocate gay marriage, that’s not within the scope of what we believe the three legs of the stool of the movement are.”

Aside from showing what a short-term victory, if you can call it that, was won by the emotional, in-the-moment pro-everything-except-SoCon-values crowd at this year’s CPAC, Cardenes’s announcement – which refreshingly suggests that CPAC may once again become the CPAC so many of us have known and loved for many years – raises some very real questions.

Perhaps the most important of these questions has to do with that pox on the conference itself, and on the Republican party as a whole, Rep. Ron Paul. Paul is, of course, a notorious do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do Republican who is famous among those who actually watch his actions, rather than being besotted by his cranky old man speech delivery, for being an earmarker of the first order (he sponsored $17,113,000 in earmarks in 2010, and was one of only four Representatives to violate the GOP’s 2011 earmark moratorium, requesting $157, 093, 544 in taxpayer monies for pet projects in his district).

He’s even more notorious, of course, for his own crank views on fiscal and foreign policy, and for his supporters’ rabidly irrational statements and activities, which included the aforementioned heckling of both Cheney and Rumsfeld at a conference once dedicated to featuring and honoring men like them.  However, a very valid question arises in light of Cardenas’s statement that those who agitate for the repeal of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy which bars openly homosexual people from serving in the military: Will this disqualify Ron Paul from attending, and speaking, at next year’s CPAC?

After all, Ron Paul voted for DADT repeal, which pretty squarely sets him against the standard set by Cardenas for inclusion in 2012.  Whether this is a technicality or not, and whether Ron Paul himself should be excluded from CPAC (his DADT repeal vote, when added to his utterly absurd foreign policy views, sets him against two of the three legs on the stool model used by Cardenas and others to describe conservatism), one undeniable benefit would arise from his nonattendance: the corresponding nonattendance of the Ron Paul groupies whose presence at CPAC, or anywhere else, simply detracts value from the discourse, lives, and olfactory sensibilities of all who are unfortunate enough to be within sniffing range.

Given the fact that so few Paul acolytes appear to have anything productive to do with their time, barring Ron Paul from attending CPAC ’12 would likely result in a massive on-site protest by the great (literally) unwashed that make up his base of support.  However, if Cardenas has the ability to quietly convince the good doctor that it would be in his own best interest to be somewhere else the weekend of next year’s CPAC – perhaps, for example, at an anti-Israel or pro-totalitarian dictator rally, or off sniffing gold dust in the Bay Area – then the combination of his absence and the absence of his followers may help to make next year’s conference a return to CPAC Sanity.

Regarding the exclusion of “groups supporting ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ repeal or gay marriage” from next year’s conference, I think it is both predictable, and predictably ironic, that so many of the folks who castigated any and all CPAC ’11 non-attendees for their “boycotting” non-attendance will likely take this new policy as a reason not to attend in 2012.  When that time comes, I’m sure they’ll have excellent excuses for why their “boycott” is no such thing – or, more likely, for why their boycott is steeped in principle, while the actions of those crybaby SoCons were based on nothing of the sort.

That argument will be as ridiculous then as it is now.

COMMENTS

  • Marcus_Traianus

    That ban would disallow the paying or subsidizing of the CPAC registration fees by anyone other than the attendee.

    Anywhere else this would be called vote buying and it is one reason CPAC’s Straw Poll has become the biggest running gag since the beginning of modern libertarianism.

    • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

      I agree in principle but it would be unenforceable. The Paulites would just find another way around it. However, I agree it is vote buying and an attempt to coopt an organization.

      • acat

        Ron Paul has a long track record of buying polls like CPAC – if he were willing to spend, he’d win in Iowa as well.

        What if CPAC were to limit eligibility to run in the poll to candidates who either are polling over 5% nationwide in a non-online (Gallup forex) poll, or who haven’t won in the prior year?

        That’d make CPAC much less useful for Paul in 2012 without outright banning him…

        Still not believing this is any more than kabuki until I see Norquist banned.

        Mew

      • Marcus_Traianus

        The plastic mane man’s people have been doing this stuff also. That sure smells like a specious political appeal to a particular demographic and part of the old Republican wing dive-and-conquer approach. I mean, following the Paultards tactics? How low can one go?

        Oh and I disagree it is unworkable. It all depends on how much teeth ACU is willing to put in it.

    • Tbone

      if the majority of attendees are scarecrows?

  • EagleWatcher

    Hey! Let’s cut defense spending. It’s not like the world is imploding or anything.

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    I don’t know the bylaws of the RNC (if it has any that are distinct from states’), but I think that Paul should be expelled from the GOP (if that is possible) in addition to being banned from CPAC. From what I understand, the Whigs expelled John Tyler while he was a sitting President, so it’s happened before, albeit with the GOP’s predecessor party.

    • hoosierteacher

      The GOP rightly expelled David Duke more recently than the expulsion of John Tyler.

      • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

        …much to the party’s shame. I believe that he received a lot of stern talking-tos, and the party did everything they could to distance themselves from him. He was primaried (I think) by David Vitter. His website claims that he’s considering a run for President in 2012. As a Republican. Ugh. (I don’t like viewing his site, much less linking to it, btw, but attribution is important.)

        That’s why I suspect that there’s something in the bylaws that prevents a party member’s expulsion. If they can’t or won’t do it for DD, I can’t imagine them doing it for RP.

        • hoosierteacher

          While he called himself a republican, the chairmen of the GOP (most recently Nicholson) have stated that Duke does NOT represent the republican party.

          Technicaly anyone can use the title democrat or republican. But in Duke’s case (and potentialy Pauls), all you need is for the rest of the party to firmly state that the person is not part of the party.

          As for bylaws, they can’t be enforced. Under the constitution each state can lable their ballots how they want, and the national parties can’t force the states to do otherwise. The best they can do is to publicaly dissassociate from Paul. That’s what they did with Paul, and I’d call it an expulsion, or the closest you can get to one. But if someone wants to say “I’m a republican” (as Duke did after leaving democrats in 1988), the states can put it on the ballots if they want to.

          It doesn’t matter though. Paul has as much or less chance than winning nationaly than Duke anyway.

          Racisim – Duke/Paul, both hate jews.

          Earmarks – Duke/Paul, both love earmarks.

          9/11 conspiracies – Duke gives speech in Iran, Paul in US.

          Crazy theories about the Fed / Illuminati – Maybe Paul beats Duke there.

          • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

            That makes a lot of sense, though it would be nice if the party had a little more control (and backbone). I agree with your assessment of Duke and Paul being similar in a lot of unpleasant ways.

  • acat

    Otherwise, I’m sticking with my assessment that it’s kabuki.

    Rancor in 2011, decorum in 2012…

    Mew

    • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

      Although it will take some major institutional politics, Norquist and Kahn should be asked to step down from the ACU board. If they do not step down, they should be voted off the board.

      • acat

        Seriously, kipling – CPAC and the ACU are down an evolutionary dead end.

        Nominating Ron “bat-guano crazy” Paul – twice! – does not say “Serious conservative organization” to anybody but a Paulbot.

        Mew

      • runner12

        were not shown the door as well. Can we put something in there saying “No Muslim Bortherhood apologists welcome?”

  • constitutionalconservative

    I have no desire to re-ignite the “Paul Wars” that raged on this site in 2008, but this sort of what might be generously called “selective interpretation” and less generously a “less-than honest portrayal” of Paul’s views really does no good to either the conservative movement or this site. Those who have actually looked into Paul’s full record will understand the game Jeff is playing here. Anyone involved in the Tea Party movement knows the huge contribution made to it by Paul’s followers.

    If Paul’s views are really so marginal that they command no support within the GOP, that will be made obvious during the primaries and caucuses– there’s no need to conduct any “purges” nor Jeff, did anyone give you the authority to do so. As for me, I’d rather take the 10-20% or so of the vote I expect he will get if he runs, and figure out how to get those folks supporting our eventual nominee, rather than alienating them.

    Despite his flaws, I supported Paul in what I thought was an exceptionally weak 2008 field– I expect I will support someone else in 2012, but I think Paul overall brings a lot of value to the Republican Party and the country. Respect is a two way street. Paul’s supporters (some of whom are doubtless boorish) are not shown respect, and therefore it should not surprise anyone that they don’t always return it.

    And Jeff, before, you or anyone criticizes me as a RINO, or “Paultard”, I should mention that my closest current professional collaborators are very senior members of our armed services, and my boss, who seems to think me a decent enough conservative, is one of the closest living links to Ronald Reagan.

    Let’s keep our eyes on the ball– defeating Obama in 2012 and the liberal agenda everywhere. Not purging other members of the party whose views we may not entirely share.

    That’s all I’m going to say on this thread. I find posts like Jeff’s depressing, and really hope we don’t have to rehash the 2008 nonsense in 2012.

    • hoosierteacher

      “If Paul?s views are really so marginal that they command no support within the GOP, that will be made obvious during the primaries and caucuses? there?s no need to conduct any ?purges? nor Jeff, did anyone give you the authority to do so.”

      Paul has been a candidate for president my friend, and can’t scrape even an abysmal portion of the vote.

      I find Paul’s 9/11 conspiracy thinking and his Alex Jones like comments to be much more depressing than anything you can manage to say about Jeff. Yes; Paul’s beliefs are worse than marginal – they’re treasonous and silly.

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      …an “honest” portrayal of Paul’s rampant earmarking, naive foreign policy isolationism, support for dictators, and economy-wrecking fiscal views.

    • streiff

      1. banning the Ronbots as a group doesn’t have anything to do with elections. No one is stopping them from voting for whomever they wish. What it does is send a clear message that crazies have no place in our coalition. This is no different than what we did when David Duke tried to make himself prominent at our expense.

      2. The Ronbots actually have much more in common with liberal democrats than they do with conservatism predicated on the Reagan era “three legged stool.” They are against strong defense and against traditional values. Our only intersecting interest is fiscal conservatism and even that is tenuous because of Paul’s relentless misrepresentation of how our economy works.

      3. Neither Ron Paul nor his sycophants are going to be of any more use to us in 2012 than they were in 2008.

      • housingfear

        Ron Paul and his supporters are fiscal and social conservatives.

        Ron Paul is Pro-Life
        Ron Paul is Anti illegal Immigration
        Ron Paul is Pro Second Ammendment
        Ron Paul has been married 52 years to the same woman and DOES NOT advocate gay marriage.

        Why do you need to lie to try and make your point?

        He is a strict fiscal conservative, He is a strong social conservative.

        Yes he is more alligned with Liberal democrats in regards to foreign policy but he does share 2/3 legs of the stool not 1/3 like you claim.

        Have you even look at this guys position or do you just listen to FOX news and make this up in your head?

        • Bill S

          Calling a front page contributor a liar and accusing him of “making things up in your head” is not a good strategy.

          If you want to remain here, you might consider an apology. Like the next post you make.

          Mgmt.

        • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

          Describing Paul as a “fiscal conservative” is either dishonest or mind-blowingly ignorant. Between the rampant earmarking noted in the post above and his utterly ludicrous notions of returning to some mythical gold standard – a move which would mutilate our economy beyond recognition – the LAST term for Paul’s insane fiscal policy and practices is “conservative.”

        • Scope

          are so disparaged and ridiculed. You buy into some hogwash about Ron Paul being a social conservative (which is laughable) and then accuse the person posting the truth as being a liar, because he isn’t on the bandwagon of my messiah guy Ron Paul. In other words, ARE YOU SOME KIND OF IDIOT OR MORON BECAUSE YOU HAVEN’T BOWED AT HIS ALTAR. This is exactly why the Paulies really need to go. They have an allergy to the truth.

    • Scope

      and if you don’t go along with my demands, I’m taking my votes from your sandbox and will take them over to someone else’s sandbox. As has been stated by many, the Paulies fall closer in line with the Liberals, especially with respect to social and national security policies, than they do with the conservatives. By allowing the overwhelming presence of the rude Paulies, as well as GOProud, whose leader has proven to be just as rude, and just as unconservative as the Paulies, at CPAC, the chair and event planners made it clear that they wanted also to call a truce against the social conservatives. The people who decided not to attend the event this year probably far outnumber the fringe that were welcomed.

      I suspect that Cardenas already saw the handwriting on the wall, when the major fracas took place, and is trying to do damage control. Funny thing though, he never mentioned the opposition to the presence of known radical islamists, on the CPAC board, and as speakers at this years event. I also don’t remember reading much of any presence of any strong national defense conservative groups at CPAC this year. There may have been some, but, may have just gotten drowned out by the anti-war libertarians who attended.

      I really have strong doubts that CPAC can recover, as some of the long time major sponsors have already moved their money and support over to the Value Voters Summit. I am guessing that that will be the new premier conservative event to attend each year, They are a strong Reagan three legged stool conservative group.

    • constitutionalconservative

      Jim DeMint, Tom Coburn,Tom McClintock, Ann Coulter, and numerous other conservative luminaries I could name, all of whom have worked with and/or said kind things about Paul– they’re all idiots, and you guys are the only ones with the superior wisdom. Lets purge all of them while we’re at it.

      There’s nothing here more than the same tired stuff that’s been refuted (or at least addressed) time after time. Like I said, I felt I needed to speak up at least once after another Paul-bashing session, but I don’t want to re-hash those wars. If you want to, there’s obviously nothing I can do to stop you.

      • runner12

        get in the way of logical thinking? I read very little in your replies to explain or clarify some of Rep, Paul’s out-there beliefs. If you agree with him on so many issues, then write a diary explaining why you feel some of his ideas are good ones and provide citations,

        But I must warn you, you must be willing to address his more controversial ideas. When you are speaking about supporting a man for higher office, you must be willing to have him fully vetted. You cannot sweep his issues under the rug.

        • Scope

          Many Paulies think that their convoluted interpretation of logic is the only correct interpretation of Paul’s policies. I’m going to go so far right now to say their “logic” has been disrupted, repositioned and so thoroughly propagandized that their thinking isn’t on the scientific realm of logic. I don’t know if you saw the Beck program on the original guy (can’t remember his name right now) that figured out a way to sway public popular opinion about selling certain products. He found a way to sell bacon (the pig farmers needed the business) , by saying it was the natural companion to eggs, and that a hearty breakfast of bacon and eggs was the best breakfast one could consume. Ron Paul, and his enablers have found a way to sell Paul, and his loony ideas, as being something so necessary to the freedom of Americans, that there is no other answer. He has become as necessary to his followers as bacon and eggs were to the original propagandist artist was.

  • Finrod

    Just about the time when we’re going to need to put all our efforts into beating Obama and the Democrats in 2012, we’re going to do addition by subtraction.

    No wonder the Republican Party is so often the Stupid Party.

    • acat

      I still say it’s kabuki… that is, by letting the paulbots and norquistites run a bit amok this year, they now have an excuse to clamp down next year – which prevents viral video of a paulbot heckling the presumptive GOP nom.

      I’ll agree that this is a dumb move, and it’s one that I don’t expect to see again until CPAC 2016….

      Mew

    • hoosierteacher

      …for a political party (like the GOP), but an ideology is what it is. Conservatism is conservatism, no matter how many pro-abortion, pro-gay marrigage, or 9/11 clowns you invite.

      We can argue in circle about what the GOP wants to represent. But a conservative movement ceases to be a conservative movement when it opens up the door to leftism.

      • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

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      • runner12
      • housingfear

        Does it make it easier for you to deny whats going on by lying to yourself instead of just accepting reality?

        Ron Paul is Pro-Life (FACT)
        Ron Paul is NOT supporting of gay marriage
        Ron Paul is NOT a 9/11 truther.

        JUST BECAUSE WE DON’T AGREE WITH THE NEO-CON FOREIGN POLICY DOES NOT MAKE US LIBERALS.

        OBAMA ACTUALLY HAS MORE IN COMMON WITH YOUR “conservative” IDEAS OF FOREIGN POLICY THEN RON PAUL DOES…WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU.

        News flash.. The democrats throughout history of the USA have been the ones to get the USA involved in wars, not the republicans. You guys are on the wrong side of the argument. True conservatives have to be against war and military globalism.

        • The_Gadfly

          were all Democrat Presidents?

          Try again.

          Since WWII we’ve had a name for stick your head in the sand types like Paul: Nevilles because their policy are as destructive to American culture as he was to British.

        • hoosierteacher

          Did I write that Paul was pro-choice?

          At any rate, there are plenty of reasons to boot him, and only an Alex Jones conspiracy theory nut would disagree.

          Newsflash back at ya:

          Conservatives are strong on national defense and on the projection of military force to ensure US interests. Democrats are pacifists and believe in slashing military budgets. The Ron Paul cult (believing that our big government and big businesses are themselves evil) don’t wish our country to project our evil anywhere.

          Conservatives want to cut spending, liberals want to increase it, and Paul wants to claim he’s for cuts while he runs up record earmarks for his district.

          And I’m sorry, but Ron Paul has danced around the 9/11 conspiracy plenty of times. Sane people come out and flatly deny that they would believe such a thing, but Paul smiles and nods and can also be judged by listening to his followers.

          Conservatives believe Israel is the only democracy in the middle east, which allows jews and muslims full rights of citizenship. Democrats support the groups in the middle east that attack Israel’s citizens and export attacks against Europe and the US. Ron Paul buses in supporters to CPAC to make anti-semtic comments about shekels.

          You’re already brainwashed, so I’m not going to convince you. You may call yourself a republican, because we have idiots like any other party. But to call yourself a conservative when the entire rest of the movement (and voters) have rejected you isn’t acceptable.

          Now go back to your mother’s computer in the basement before I call in the Illuminati to start following you.

          : )

        • AceInTX

          and deserved 3000 dead at ground zero…

          FAIL!!!

          • aesthete

            RP has noted that he does not condone the actions of Al Qaeda or see them as just/deserved, but that he sees it as similar to getting mugged while walking down an unsafe neighborhood: you don’t deserve what happens, but there were actions taken that made it a likely outcome.

            OTOH, it’s a pretty simplistic, flawed, wrong and univariable explanation (haven’t seen too many Latino anti-imperialist terrorists around, eh?), and what he suggests as a solution is dumber than anything I’ve read on highdeas.com.

          • hoosierteacher

            Paul’s supporters have made a lot of truther statements, and Paul has done zero to clean that up.

            When David Duke last ran for office, he claimed that his nazi membership was a “youthful indiscretion”, but he wouldn’t denounce his supporters (one of whom famously said that it was ok to attack the “jew lobby” instead of blacks, because jews don’t “vote much” in La.) I would hope you wouldn’t defend Duke by saying, “But Duke himself says…” Yes, this is the same thing.

            When you don’t denounce your supporters for saying ignorant things, you get rightly criticized. When you bus in your supporters to boo, heckle, and make comments about “shekles”, you’re going to be ostracized even worse. There’s a reason that Ron Paul’s support is the prime support for The Alex Jones Show. Read PrisonPlanet, or listen to Alex Jones, and then tell me which candidate the listeners and readers of those programs support. Surprise!, it’s Paul. Sigh.

            Let’s stop making excuses for Ron Paul… And GOProud while you’re at it. You never responded to my comment where you found it neccassary to post that GOProad was pro-life, despite comments to the contrary made by the organizations leaders at “Gay Patriot”.

          • aesthete

            because I didn’t see it. If GOProud is not pro-life, then that’s unfortunate, and I was wrong. I’m not making any excuses for Ron Paul: I am not at all a fan, and am annoyed by the influence that he enjoys among some libertarians and conservatives (as well as by his crazy supporters). If he runs in 2012, I expect that we’ll be instituting the policy that we had during ’08 concerning Paulites, and that doesn’t concern me in the least bit. I see no reason whatsoever to misrepresent his viewpoint, though: it’s stupid enough as is without hyperbole that we should not need to do so to debunk it.

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      It’s a get-together of committed traditional conservative activists, not a Party convention.

  • beltwaylvr

    I had to wind my way through the long lines of libertarians that formed to get a book signature from Ron Paul in order to get to my exhibit booth. These libertarians may not oppose abortion or gay marriage, but I realized that they clearly oppose one thing: bathing.

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel
  • Scope

    with sponsorship fees, staff, set up crews, and purchasing 1,000 tickers for his supporters etc. he can well afford to rent a field somewhere, throw up a stage and some lighting, and have his own 2012 version of Woodstock. I’m sure his isolationist, make love not war, drug addled, unbathed hippie supporters would flock to his event. Too bad Jimi Hendrix can’t attend, he went on a “trip” and never returned. Janis Joplin could have sung to them about feeding their head and then going further down their rabbit holes. I’m sure Jane Fonda is available though. Are they really that different than the hippies of the 60′s and 70′s?

  • realconservative1

    You know I like the majority of the content from RedState, but when Ron Paul gets brought up it really makes me want to delete the RSS feed. Despite this, I signed up on RedState just to post this comment.

    It disappoints me that you are deliberately shunning an energetic base of conservatives because they are not as socially conservative as you are. This is a mistake. The only reason Republicans had such a historic election last November is a direct result of the Tea Party influence (which Paul helped create) and a renewed focus on sound fiscal policy and smaller government. The big spending social conservative brand of republicanism was soundly rejected because it was anything but conservative.

    During all of this you misrepresent Pauls record of conservatism throughout his years in office just because you are singularly focused on family values and interventionist foreign policy. All the while offending anyone who appreciates the mans voting record. It seems you are happy with big government as long as it enforces your own social beliefs, economics be damned.

    It always strikes me as hypocritical to claim to be conservative, yet willing to spend without limit on the military and hundreds of overseas bases all over the world. Military spending is about half of the US spending, yet it is untouchable? Paul does want a strong defense, he just believes, as many do, that we would be safer with troops guarding our borders instead of overseas in harms way, creating blowback in the meantime. Its debatable to no end of course but it is a valid point – and it would certainly be less expensive.

    Bashing Paul for earmarks is also disingenuous. He allows all of the earmarks submitted by his constituents and then votes against the budget containing them. This is because the money in the overall budget is going to be spent anyways, it will either be spent by the local taxpayers or disappear into the federal coffers. Paul prefers to get as much of his constituents tax money back to them. Its also a valid position. Personally I am in favor of the earmark ban, not because of the cost but because, unlike Paul, most reps will vote FOR the overall budget to get their earmarks in and it encourages political favors.

    I’d also remind you that Paul is Pro-Life.

    Regardless, bashing Paul or his supporters does nothing to help your cause. Instead of dividing the party and pushing the true conservatives out, you should embrace the points we do agree on. Big government conservatism is finished. There are a lot of fiscally conservative, socially liberal people out there that were previously turned off by the religious right’s statism. It would be wise for you to keep them on your side instead of calling them crazy.

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      untruths and misconceptions carried by Paulites for the purpose of peddling to any and all audiences (some willing, but mostly not). Congrats on the talking points, almost none of which are true.

      The big spending social conservative brand of republicanism was soundly rejected because it was anything but conservative.

      Have fun whacking at your straw man. Poll after poll shows that far more SoCons are also fiscally conservative, than vice versa. But enjoy trying to hold up that tent without the biggest overlapping crowd under it present.

      By the way, this is really your defense of Paul’s Porking?

      “Bashing Paul for earmarks is also disingenuous. He allows all of the earmarks submitted by his constituents and then votes against the budget containing them. This is because the money in the overall budget is going to be spent anyways, it will either be spent by the local taxpayers or disappear into the federal coffers. Paul prefers to get as much of his constituents tax money back to them”

      How quaint…and how sad.

      • realconservative1

        Jeff, your willingness to denigrate a completely reasonable comment highlights your reluctance to have any actual debate and only serves to prove my point. Instead of replying with anything resebling a consructive response you choose to again push away more self identified conservatives with snarky retorts.

        Listen, I understand, its on op-ed piece but at lease get your facts straight. Yes, thats my defense of Paul’s earmarks because that is what he himself has stated. I would hope that if you are trying pass as a political pundit you would know how the budgetary system works. Earmarks dont add a dime to the budget, (keep in mind I am against them for other reasons) but for you to just dismiss the actual position that Paul has stated time and time again then it just comes off as petulant and undermines the rest of your piece. You would prefer the federal government to spend local tax dollars on god knows what, instead of keeping tabs on that cash and sending it back to the states? Thats not a small government position.

        Also, of course polls show social conservatives identify themselves as fiscally conservative. That doesnt prove a thing. The majority of Republicans in Congress would identify themselves as conservative right as they sit there and vote for more spending. When it comes down to it, social conservatives want less spending on the programs they disprove of but are more then willing to support federal government infringement on peoples rights as long as it falls in line with their beliefs. Thats just hypocritical.

        So whats your end game Jeff? To continue offending Republican voters who disagree with you on social issues and further splinter the base? To have Social Conservative neo-cons on an island voting by themselves? There is no question the religious right constitutes the majority of Republican party, but see how you do in the polls when the libertarian and socially liberal votes sit out in 2012. That would be truly sad.