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Obama’s Not Just Bombing Libya: The Main Course Speech That Felt More Like an Appetizer

Obama: Wherever people long to be free, they will find a friend in the United States. Except in Syria. And in Iran. And in...

You might have heard that President Obama (finally) gave a speech about the shelling of Libya he ordered well over a week ago. Or, you might not have; he’s been trying pretty hard to keep our involvement in it out of the public eye, despite the US having the leading role in every phase of this “kinetic military action” except (1) decision-making, and (2) actually talking publicly about what the heck it is that we’re doing there.

The speech can be boiled down into five basic phrases, four of which carry qualifiers:

(1) It’s the U.S.’s role to intervene anywhere that there are atrocities or persecution going on, unless there’s a vital national interest there and/or they have the ability to shoot back at us in any meaningful form whatsoever;

(2) Our goal is not to depose Qaddafi, whatever I may have said yesterday, last week, etc., except when it is our goal, which is whenever it isn’t not our goal to do so;

(3) This will not be like the Iraq kinetic military action, because that one wasn’t referred to by such a clever, lawyerly phrase, and because that “regime change…took 8 years” [Note: This supposed history savant is only off by about 7 years and 11 months on that figure], except that regime change isn’t our goal (see #2 above);

(4) The U.S. will prevail in Libya, except that we won’t be the ones doing it – NATO will – and, to ensure that this is true, we’re going to refrain from consistently communicating any goals whatsoever for our mission there, even as we send pilots (and, not at all unlikely, specialized ground forces) into harm’s way in pursuit of some nebulous objective which, again, we’re not going to bother telling you about; and,

(5) To quote Jim Geraghty, “Look, I realize none of you understand my decision making, but at the end of the day, you can rest easy knowing I’m right.”

Here are just a couple examples of the Twitter reax (this really needs its own post):

@JSTrevino

The President’s war metrics rely on projections of Libyans created or saved.

The President’s done a poor job of articulating war aims and means both; and he errs in assuming we may disclaim ownership.

@frog129

From Claueswitz: #2 Objective: Direct every military operation towards a clearly defined, decisive, & attainable objective . Didn’t hear it

@calebhowe

Obama: I authorized this war that is not a war, which is narrowly focused but broad in scope, so we could lead. As helpers.

@EWErickson:

In a nutshell “Libya is not Iraq, Syria, Iran, or Yemen. I don’t know why, but because I said so. And ignore Al Qaeda helping the rebels.”

@jimmiebjr:

What I wonder is why the President sent our soldiers to Libya instead of the army of strawmen he built to make this speech.

@baseballcrank:

Obama’s supporters must be proud this night to sound exactly like Bill Kristol

That last one is quite interesting, because, from reading the utterly ridiculous quickblog he posted on TWS‘s site tonight, I’m fairly certain that Bill Kristol didn’t even watch the same speech the rest of us did (or who, like @mcassil, happily didn’t watch). Forgetting for a moment the rah-rah, “let’s use our military to liberate the world!” rhetoric (how’s that “pro-democracy” revolution working out so far in Egypt, by the way?), Kristol leaves his readers with this head-scratcher:

The president was unapologetic, freedom-agenda-embracing, and didn’t shrink from defending the use of force or from appealing to American values and interests. Furthermore, the president seems to understand we have to win in Libya. I think we will.

Mr. Kristol, if you’d like to drop me a line to let me know where in this speech you saw or heard anything that even resembled so much as a hint at what “winning” in Libya means to the Obama team, I’ll be happy to take your call or email to hear/see it, because I sure as heck saw nothing of the sort whatsoever.

What I did see was a very poor effort at communicating by a man who resented having to lower himself to even appearing to explain his actions and decisions to the American people, who has no clear thoughts whatsoever on what we’re doing in LIbya, who is so honored that Europe asked his military (the only one worth its salt across the board in the Western world) to go to war to protect its own oil interests, and who has no understanding whatsoever of the world outside his own Ivy-covered Ivory Tower.

So what’s the next step in Libya? Judging by tonight’s performance, I don’t think Obama himself knows. I’m sure that’s an incredibly encouraging thought to those men and women in uniform who are waging this third simultaneous kinetic military action in hopes that whatever they achieve will, somehow, align with whatever Obama’s Wheel of Libyan Objectives eventually lands on.

*Partial credit for the subtitle to @CalebHowe

COMMENTS

  • kowalski

    Here’s the way it works in the real world:

    Unless something else intervenes, this is how the world works: Losers lose and winners win. Right now, we are ostensibly on the side of the losers against the winners. Which winners, we might add, we’ve recently embraced. Until very recently. They are no longer winners.

    Therefore we have a new group of rag tag fugitives from justice in Libya that we’re now supporting with $1.5/m each Tomahawk missiles and air support. They don’t know what they’re doing. Some of them are our sworn enemies and the rest of them don’t know. Al-Qaeda and some of them are just Soldiers of Fortune. We’ve spent $600 million dollars or so, thusfar. Nothing in Libya is worth $600 million dollars, but there we are.

    There is no mission. We’re making this up as we go along, basically bombing and shooting people as we decide it’s necessary, without any clear description of what it is we’re doing. Maybe we’re doing it to stabilize the price of oil. The Saudis don’t seem to be complaining too loudly. The Russians just continue to play both ends against the middle, which is what they always do. Barack Obama can get away with this because liberals think he is God. That is why they are not persecuting him right now – they can’t without being heretics!

    Up until very recently, the losers were going to lose in Libya and the Winners (who we had supported until quite recently) were going to Win. Now we’re changing course. The question is how much money and treasure (and how much military firepower) we’re going to have to use to change the Losers in Libya into the Winners. It could take a lot of money. Quaddafi has a few billion aces up his sleeve.

    Either way, it’s going to take months, not weeks, and certainly not days. It’s going to cost a lot of money to turn the Losers into the Winners and at the same time get rid of the previous Winners without causing a lot more trouble. And in the meantime, nobody is going to explain what’s going on.

    There could not be a better time for someone who is really a Soldier of Fortune to be traveling to North Africa. This is the most interesting time I can think of in the past 60 years.

    • kowalski

      We could have all these people who can’t even form an army suddenly come together and run a government. That’s going to happen very quickly after the hostilities stop, as *EVERYONE CAN TELL*.

      Please, stop puking down your shirt at this point.

      The people we are supporting in Libya are either our sworn enemies or people who until a few days ago would have rather done anything except be our friends, unless we supported them. They are a group of persecuted people, to be sure – but they’re going to make the government of Iraq look like a well-ordered Constitutional government, because they can’t even decide what to shoot, as far as I can tell. We’re pumping money and bombs in there and… and…

      Let’s put it this way: we’re doing regime change but what we’re not doing is *calling* it regime change. The media in this country isn’t holding Barack accountable for it, and the rest of the carnival looks so screwy that nobody else will be held accountable for it either.

      The question is: who is finally going to be in charge in Libya? Who ARE the people we’re spending the money and explosives on to ostensibly help? If they are not any better for us than Qaddafi was, we should have let him stay.

  • spainishirish

    (1) It?s the U.S.?s role to intervene anywhere that there are atrocities or persecution going on, unless there?s a vital national interest there and/or they have the ability to shoot back at us in any meaningful form whatsoever;

    If there were a discernible American interest in this intervention, which likely places us on the same side as al-Qaeda, the international community would have howled if we had dared do something there. As it is, we are selling the rope so there isn’t much outcry.

    As for Bill Kristol, he entered the lunatic fringe netherworld of David Frum, David Brooks and Peggy Noonan some time ago under the cover of darkness. He is as divorced from reality as any leftist. And, frankly, clueless.

    The most striking part of the speech was how it assiduously avoided mention of who is the actual recipient of our help. Sure, there were banalities/outright lies that the persons helped were poor babies being hounded by Gaddafi thugs, but from what we know of the rebellion, it has a very, very healthy Islamist contingent including prominent roles by al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood. So as we bid adieu to our grand adventure in Egypt as about eight million Coptic Christians get ready for slaughter (why do I see no intervention when that happens?) we move on to replace a castrated tyrant with one more potent and ready to kill Americans. Only the Ivy League Left would find this in any way a positive development, but hey, the Arab League asked us!

    • 20jan2013

      I know of the others’ heresies. But my man? Bill? sayitaintso

      • spainishirish

        the only person besides a lying liberal who found Obama’s Libya speech inspiring, let alone coherent. And he assured us the Egyptian revolution would be a very positive thing, and…well, I’m staring the list.

        • 20jan2013

          Just because he found the speech coherent and inspiring, and that a movement toward democracy in Egypt is…positive?

          Don’t elevate those others by lumping in Bill with them based on some thin quote. Bill is rock solid conservative and if he is fringe lunatic, sign both of us up for the funny farm.

          • powertothepeople

            that this misstep does not make him a part of the lunatic crowd, but I have to wonder whose rear end he has his lips firmly planted against to state he was inspired by this speech or Obama’s direction in this matter.

            By the way, if you believe Egypt is moving towards democracy, I have multiple warm sunny vacation spots in the Tundra to sell you. What little is being done right now is a farce as the Muslim Brotherhood is moving to control that country and once that happens, we have the Taliban part two.

          • 20jan2013

            I know nothing about who is or isn’t filling the vacuum of Mubarak’s departure in Egypt. All I know is it wasn’t a democracy, and now maybe it will be. I don’t carry water for Obama, all I know is Bill is solid conservative and anyone who says he ain’t is just wrong.

          • edintexas

            It may be that Bill is “solid conservative”. What he isn’t is a Constitutionalist, He doesn’t let that pesky old Constitution get in the way of “excellent adventures” involving our military members overseas. The US has absolutely no national security interest in Libya. No defense of the Republic, nor of the Constitution, and thus no reason to commit our military strength. The Libyan Colonel was a threat almost 30 years ago, but has since been totally defanged vis-a-vis threat to the US. If we were going to boot him out of office, “Ronaldus Magnus” should have done so.

          • aesthete

            They are also, unfortunately, not conservative: he is part of the crowd that thinks that democracy is both the logical endstate of governance (rather than a process that gets us to an endstate), and that it should be US policy to promote democracy worldwide (including and not limited to a commitment of our forces and cash). Any military conflict with the stated goal of instituting democracy will be supported by Kristol, despite the obvious pragmatic failure that this strategy has been in both Iraq and Afghanistan (among others).

          • spainishirish

            And the old saw that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result certainly applies.

          • Bobcat51

            …Bill could hold hands with Ted Baxter while they wait in eager anticipation for the next interview with the Emperor?

          • spainishirish

            My God, the country last week adopted Sharia and the long-delayed Coptic holocaust has started to be implemented by…drumroll…the much ballyhooed Egyptian military. I trace Kristol’s descent into complete madness actually to a time before the others, we he wrote an execrable column that castigated people who wanted border security before amnesty as “yahoos.” That was around 2006, He richly deserves to be lumped with those others.

          • 20jan2013
          • spainishirish

            which basically was a Republican version of Big Government. I don’t know if he ever backed away from that position.

            Further, since Egypt started its predictable slide into darkness, I have not heard a peep from our side’s cheerleader for the revolution there. Maybe I missed that as well.

            Finally, and I’m not really doing the list, just a summary, he used to appear on ABC’s This Week and routinely ganged up with the liberals against George Will over various issues that hardly put Kristol in the conservative camp. I don’t mind independence at all, but delusion bothers me.

          • streiff

            before or after the Muslim Brotherhood took control of the movement?

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            is not understood in places like Egypt, there was never any hope of any sort of democracy there as we understand it.

        • mspector

          In supporting our “mission” as Obama defended it Bill O’Reilly once again betrayed his RINO and neocon sensibilities. It’s shameful that he cannot see beyond Obama’s self-serving platitudes and recognize the fact that we helped establish a jihadist military government in Egypt and are supporting jihadist rebels in Libya. Nor can he bring himself to criticize Obama for failing and refusing to address our intervention in Libya in real-world terms instead of ponderous platitudes.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            That is why he occasionally supports Obama. He is mostly right leaning, but what concerns me the most is his silly populism, like when he rails against
            “big oil”.

    • radicalrighty

      He wouldn’t authorize the firing of a single bullet in order to aid a Christian.

  • carolina

    “Obama: I authorized this war that is not a war, which is narrow in focus but broad in scope, so we could lead. As helpers.”

    (I retyped it) tweet from a “Caleb Howe”

    • 20jan2013
    • 6eorge Jetson

      nt

  • Tbone

    he would only be half as stupid. I would tell him that but I doubt I could get him to understand the concept.

    Obama’s challenge is that when you don’t know what you are doing, it is really hard to explain it.

    • spainishirish

      Not to him. Mr. Wonderful can explain multitudes of things he doesn’t know while he’s not knowing how to do them.

    • Common_Cents

      What else does this guy have to do, what more about his past needs to be revealed for us to realize Barry is not dumb and naive. He just isn’t your typical American with love for country.

      • Tbone

        Were he smart, 2 weeks ago he would have appeared before a joint session of Congress in prime time and given a bloody shirt speech, bombed the hell out of Libya the next day with a camera in every plane and watched his poll numbers hit 80%.

    • Menlo

      Obama may have made a very smart political move. The plurality of Americans seem to support the decision, and that support is disproportionately higher among Republicans.

      Whether those numbers stick, and whether they influence future elections, remains to be seen.

      • spainishirish

        who composes the rebels, if it is Islamists as has been widely reported now, you would be right. The MSM still can airbrush out this little detail in future reports, of course.

        • Menlo

          If polling is correct, the majority currently supports this. I believe they are the ones who are stupid. Regardless of the source, everyone should have all the information they need to determine the action was not justified.

          • spainishirish

            The media has reported Islamists dominate the rebels. If they prevail and begin to implement Sharia, send jihadists into Afghanistan and Iraq, and take up Gaddafi’s retired mantle of international terrorism, the American public will be furious. For the time being, the American public thinks in terms of “Gaddafi bad, anyone after him good.” That will change in short order unless there is a total media blackout, which might happen. After all, look how little ink and broadcast time the repression of Egyptian Copts and women has gotten since it went into high gear.

          • Menlo

            If people had any intelligence, it would not matter who these “rebels” were or what they stood for. There was and is no rational, ethical, moral, or justifiable basis on which to support war, military action, or whatever you want to call it in the first place. It’s especially disturbing that the highest support comes from self-described “Republicans” and “conservatives.”

          • spainishirish

            I don’t believe this is pure stupidity, more along the lines of an ignorance that can be dissipated in rather short order. I trust this applies to self-identified conservatives and Republicans as well as the general public.

            Your analysis is right–even if these rebels had been Jeffersonian democrats that would not have justified our actions. But you follow these things closely.

      • kpbenware

        I think it was stated perfectly, long ago:

        ?Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn?t so.? ? Ronald Reagan

        ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

        The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.–Marcus Aurelius, 14th Roman Emperor

  • BooBooKitty

    not like Vietnam though… more like traffic cop action.

    Blow your whistle Mr. President. Wave the baton, move those bombers in. That’s good. Now hold ‘em up while Qaddafi eases out. He’s out of the way, now turn left and wave the fundamentalists on in.

    • spainishirish

      nt

  • kowalski

    Iran now has these apocalyptic end times videos circulating and it could very well be that they’ll amass an army of a few million hapless schmucks who believe it, in which case we’re going to have to turn them into glass right there in the desert. Their imams are sitting around talking end-times fundamentalist prophesy and let’s face it, we might have to bring it to them. We can only hope.

    • kowalski

      I honestly hope Obama is willing to go to the mat if that’s what it takes. But he has to start defining America’s interests – not global interests with America sticking its neck out: America’s interests. I could care less about the Italians and the French and the Europeans. They are not the people I care about every day, they’re not the people I have to worry about.

      If our American President has an American interest at heart here, let us hear him say what it is. I’m listening. So far I have not heard a word I can believe.

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

        Did everything Bush do in America’s interest? I am not letting Obama off the hook by any means, but there are a whole lot of conservatives who liked Bush’s aggressive foreign policy. They liked the wars, and they liked giving billions and billions of dollars to Africa and other places.

        They used a lot of the same rhetoric as the Obama administration is now using. “Humanitarianism”,” we are the only ones who can do it”, etc.

        Personally I think that we can no longer afford to be the world’s policeman. I think it is criminal to have troops stationed in around 100 nations. I think it is outright theft to steal the taxpayers money to waste in every godforsaken hell-hole on earth.

        And I don’t think any of this has enhanced our security since the end of the cold war, just the opposite, it has gotten us more involved in fights we don’t need to be involved in.

        • spainishirish

          But herein lies the difference: Bush didn’t have the examples of Iraq and Afghanistan, parts II each, to realize how fruitless it is to try to bring these nations into the Eighth Century despite our best humanitarian efforts. Obama did. And even that assumes his goal isn’t to allow a regime even more hostile to the United States to replace Gaddafi. Further, if Saddam were in power in Iraq today we still would have jitters about what he planned to do, and if the Taliban had not been ousted it is highly likely more terror attacks would have been planned and executed from camps based there.

          I hope the GOP returns to its clear-eyed history of Realpolitik. All indications are that it will. I generally agree with the thrust of what you wrote, but there are differences here. I don’t think anyone in the Bush Administration or their supporters woud have knowingly allowed a regime to change to something even more hositle to the United States.

          • BooBooKitty

            he is going to create a power vacuum in Libya and then “hope” good things happen (in the land of R. Islamist oppportunist).

  • Vegas_Rick

    for maximum deniability;

    I didn’t want to do this in the first place.

    Hillary made me do it.

    NATO made me do it.

    The UN made me do it.

    We weren’t in charge, it’s not my fault.

    And…and… besides… George Bush!

  • TopGun

    This will be the first time a President refuses responsibility of military action he has taken, as Commander-in-Chief during an election season, since he has removed himself from control of OUR forces to enable his chances to remain in office.

    Another ?present? vote from the Communist-in-Chief.

    ?Explanation? The stinking people don?t need an explanation. I won.? – Obama

  • http://undo4me.com WmCraig

    Barrack Obama sends the worlds largest, most modern and arguably the worlds most powerful military against a tiny nation in the midst of a civil war, leaving even more vulnerable and you have to ask you self a question? What does HE gain.

    Well, first there is that mess on aisle five Pelosi left that New Republicans are eager to clean up, and since Pres. Obama already established that Republicans cab demand that Democrats not do a lot of talking while they clean up the budget mess it could be a problem.

    What else does HE gain. Well there is ObamaCare, and since the more we know the less we like the less we talk about it the better,

    What else does HE gain. Well in the next few weeks there will be a debate over the debt ceiling. Since the Legacy Republican Leaders are clueless on how to be anything other the Democrats lite they will take their marching orders from the President and dutifully raise the limit. The war gives cover to Republicans who can risk our soldiers.

    Well what else does HE gain. There is that matter of the employment numbers showing that the only sector of the economy adding jobs is the government sector. We haven’t talked about that or about Wisconsin and the danger of Union Organizers taking control of all the government. An unelected shadow government using it police powers to extort exorbitant sums from the peasants who are bound to the land by taxes.

    Well, there is that little matter about High gas prices caused primarily by the Democrats unwillingness to capitalize on our natural resources, and this administration’s dictatorial policies that shut down economic growth.
    So you see, Jim Geraghty is right. People don’t understand Obama’s decision making, Well, almost know one, because it seems pretty clear to me. The chickens are coming home to roost on the Obama administration policies so the next page in the play book says what we need is a little war We can reintroduce the draft, which will help keep unemployment down and hide the inconvenient truth that the policies of Pelosi, Obama and Reed are bankrupt and bankrupting the country.

    Of course, it might have nothing more than a show of force put on to intimidate the tea party movement, Obama has resources and has demonstrated that he is not afraid to use them and can do so quickly if the need arises. . Just in case the tea party might take the demonstrations for liberty throughout the world as an indication that the loss of liberty here in America is something to be contested. .

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    and this is what you get…

  • radicalrighty

    BHO takes a vacation after such a stressful night . . .

  • Marcus_Traianus

    propagated by the quintessential internationalist.

    This appears more a matter of Mr. Obama trying to establish his international bona fides with the European crowd. The goals are poorly defined, the battlefield is obscured and the outcome is less than certain because the people he is supporting are not in search of a democratic outcome. So how does that serve our national interest? It does not.

    Let me quote and turn an Obama phrase;

    “But I have some news for John McCain, there was no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq. …

    AQIM, Iranians and every Jihadist in the Middle East is now headed for Libya. And with your support, they might just win this one. Just thought you like to know.

    And whatever happened to this? Outlining his foreign policy, Obama said the following;

    “We know what the war in Iraq has cost us in lives and treasure, in influence and respect,” Obama said. “We have seen the consequences of a foreign policy based on flawed ideology, and a belief that tough talk can replace real strength and vision.”

    Tough talk. Really?

  • Next93

    Dear Sir or Madam

    The War Department Department of Defense Department of Kinetic Military Action regrets to inform you that your Son/Father/Brother was killed maimed crippled taken captive by savages and horribly tortured to death removed from active duty
    on (date) in our valliant efforts to free Libya depose a ruthless dictator defend Libyan “non combatants” make the President feel good about America

    Please accept our deepest condolences, and know that your loss is not in vain, as it enables a barbarous population to undertake ethnic cleansing reinvigorates the slave trade in Northern Africa creates a power vacuum into which a *new*ruthless anti-American dictator will emerge makes the President feel good about America

  • mspector

    Perhaps the most downright dishonest (I can no longer consider it merely disingenuous) aspect of Mr Obama’s “policy” as to Libya is his insistent refusal to inform the American people of the real nature of the rebel leadership there (to say nothing of his light-minded references to the “success” of the “democratic movement” in Egypt).

    Though Obama continues to say it ain’t so, his policy is to support the rebels which inevitably means supporting regime change. This in turn means, as in Egypt, installation of a government that will be dominated by Islamic jihadists. England has identified Al Qaeda operatives within the rebel leadership and Obama himself has been briefed on the matter, yet he refuses to make what he knows known to the American public. This is deception, pure and simple.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    There was a cable leaked regarding a small business effort in Libya. Oddly, around the table were various nations (including the US, EU) sitting with Mahmoud Jibril who is now apparently our new Libyan contact (and interim PM?). THe last part is probably the most interesting;

    Setting up business incubators elsewhere in Libya, particularly around Benghazi, will be especially important there since rates of unemployment are even higher than the nation-wide average of 20 percent, a potential driver of extremism in a region that has historically provided foreign fighters to al-Qaeda in Iraq. End comment. CRETZ

    So Benghazi, the city upon which Obama chose to “make his stand” has historically provided foreign fighters to AQ in Iraq? And we are defending them?

    Oh yeah and I love the reasoning. Unemployment is high in Benghazi, so therefore Libyans are crossing into Iraq to commit Jihad against American troops. Gee, if we could only fix that nasty unemployment issue they would love us and stop trying to blow us up…

    This entire sordid mess stinks.

  • simcnel

    I think that the United States Military needs to tell Obama no, they won’t put any more of our citizens in harms way until he proves he is eligible for office, mentally (he will fail), constitutionally (he will fail), and just all around good guy (again, he will fail).

    I personally feel that Obama is waiting for Europe,, err, I mean Saudi Arabia to tell him what to do next. He is doing exactly what his Muslim leaders are telling him to do.

    We need this atrocity out of our house, now

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      Bye.

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      We need this atrocity out of our house, now

      And I see Moe took your advice. That Moe! Knows wisdom when he sees it.

  • uselogic

    I watched the Prez’s speech and like virtually every other one before, he spouts a gusher of platitudes and no substance. As Jeff notes, he quite obviously dances around both truth and reality. It’s like he’s a nine year old boy fabricating an excuse for undone homework….and frankly most 9 year olds can do better. And yet, and yet…. people I know and consider rational, thoughtful human beings sit there and take this man-child’s words as factual and substantial.

    I must be missing something… because I just don’t get it.