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Obama Calls for ‘Patience and Persistence’ on his Unapproved, Directionless War in Libya

Onward! Toward a Goal Which None Will Define

Let me begin with a moment of candor: I’d honestly be surprised if a majority of the American people even know that America is at war in Libya. I’d be far more surprised if any significant number of Americans know that our self-declared unitary executive has disregarded his legal requirement to secure approval from Congress in order to continue his war beyond the already-passed 60 day mark, which passed by a week ago.

That’s right: Obama’s “kinetic military action” in Libya (which you may or may not have heard of; he finally broke several weeks’ silence on the topic in the last few days) is now in its third month, with no end or clear goal in sight. This isn’t much of a surprise to anybody whose been paying attention, of course — save for the President and his inner circle, who apparently believed that a few Tomahawks and F-15E sorties would have a 42-year dictator running for the hills in abdication within mere days, and who seem stunned that the NATO airstrikes being carried out on behalf of…well, of the not-Qaddafi side haven’t yet resulted in an end to this civil war.

An upside to the war’s significantly longer duration could be the additional time afforded the Obama administration to plan and prepare for its aftermath – for example, who may come to power, what the fate of civilians may be in a post-Qaddafi state, and how future developments in Libya may affect America and its interests. Unfortunately, based on precedent (such as the ridiculous claim that preparing for this month’s bin Laden raid was too great a task to allow for the administration to even consider the operation’s aftermath), this can’t-walk-and-chew-gum administration is probably using their time for any purpose but that.

Though the United Nations mandate which President Obama is using as his legal authorization for his unexplained and indefinite war in Libya specifically authorized action solely for the protection of the north African nation’s civilian population, the coalition which the US is “leading from behind” has been hitting a wider array of military and government targets harder and harder in recent weeks, in an effort to end the virtual weeks-long stalemate between Qaddafi’s government forces and the rebels.

The attempt to force an outcome in a civil war taking place within a nation that currently holds no security or economic interests for the United States remains as illogical as it is far beyond the scope of action authorized by the UN resolution (the only argument against the latter is the potential claim that bombing Qaddafi and his army out of existence is the only way to ensure the safety of Libyan civilians – a claim that is ridiculous on its face, as civilians have been both threatened and harmed by both government and opposition people alike).

The simple fact, which Obama apparently remains unable to come to terms with, is that ground wars cannot be won, and ground cannot be gained, from the air alone. At best, air power is an unbiased tool for terrain denial, outside the rare effective decapitation strike that renders an enemy ineffective in films, on television, and in war novels far more often than it does in real life. That hasn’t stopped other NATO leaders from repeatedly requesting air assets that Obama, for some reason, is refusing to give them – particularly A-10 and AC-130 aircraft, which specialize in close air support, anti-armor/anti-personnel, and precision fire roles.

In a speech given yesterday alongside David Cameron, Obama used those requests to construct a straw man, saying, “There may be a false perception that there are a whole bunch of secret super-effective air assets that are in a warehouse that could just be pulled out and that would somehow immediately solve the situation in Libya. That’s not the case.” Naturally, nobody had suggested that it was the case.

As the battle slogged on in Libya, Obama requested that people show “patience and persistence” with developments there, declaring that “We will not relent until the people of Libya are protected and the shadow of tyranny is lifted.”  Some – including David Cameron – seem to think that means Qaddafi must be out of power before the war can end, though it’s certainly not clear whether Obama believes that this is the case or not (his contradictory statements to that effect, and his refusal to use military power directly to remove Qaddafi, further muddle this message). It’s no wonder that the Washington Post‘s editorial board noted this week that “Each time he addresses the war in Libya, President Obama seems to contradict himself.”

The timeline is no exception. Nearly seventy days after unilaterally authorizing the U.S. military to take sides in another nation’s civil war, Obama is still claiming that “we’re going to be able to achieve our mission in a timely fashion” in Libya. Just what is that mission, Mr. President? And, as a follow-up, just what does “timely fashion” mean now, when and how will we know it’s complete, what happens after that, and have you taken into account the possible aftermath and effects of this civil war in which you’ve engaged us?

I’d rest easier if I had any confidence that the answer to those questions had been considered, if not finalized. Unfortunately, based on this administration’s own precedent, I highly doubt the questions themselves have even been thoroughly considered – let alone their answers.

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COMMENTS

  • kinghenry

    Yes, the Dems are rank hypocrites, although all Dem Presidents have agreed with this view since the Democrat Congress of 1973 passed the WPA against a Nixon Veto.

    However, it is a long held Constitutionalist position that the WPA is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and the President as the inherent, Article II Constitutional power to carry out such missions with or without Congressional approval.

    Congress however, has the ultimate power and could Defund the entire mission yesterday, yet do not. Showing what frauds they are.

    Anyway, Robert Turner, Constitutional Originalist Scholar did much scholarly research during the Bush years on the subject. Example hosted at the Federalist Society:

    http://www.fed-soc.org/publications/detail/the-war-powers-resolution-an-unnecessary-unconstitutional-source-of-friendly-fire-in-the-war-against-international-terrorism

    • gpclaw

      Read the “Necessary and Proper” clause in Article 1. Congress shall have the power

      To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

      The War Powers Act is congress using it’s authority to determine how the President executes the Commander in Chief power. It is Constitutional.

    • gpclaw

      that they never approved funding for? That seems bass ackwards.

    • heroone1

      There is a bill defunding this war in Congress, just will not get past the Dem’s

    • heroone1

      There is a bill in Congress to defund this war, it just will not get past the Dem’s

      • gpclaw

        To defund something, means to withdraw the appropriation of money for an activity. Congress never approved any funding for Libya, so how can they withdraw the funds appropriated for kinetic military action in Libya, if the funds never existed in the first place?

        If they were really serious about putting an end to this, they could simply vote to deny the President the authorization to continue operations.

        • gpclaw

          I originally thought you were replying to my comment. I need to learn to follow the lines better.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    When we had hundreds of thousands of Soldiers on the ground in Iraq yet this administration thought Col Q would roll over in his relatively undamaged country because of hOped for success from trying to use air power to turn the tide/assassinate the old leadership of Libya?

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      That’s simply not true.

    • gekster

      10 months after the invasion in march.

    • edintexas

      Clinton bombed Serbia on the verge of being back in the Stone Age, and the government fell. I guess Dear Leader figured that if it worked for Bill, it will work for him.

      I’m sort of flummoxed by those who seem to believe that this is a Constitution approved action because the WPA is unconstitutional and there can be no limit on the President’s war making power – other than Congress refusing to fund it. Involving our armed forces in a civil war in a country in North Africa is definitely not necessary to protect and defend the citizens of the US. I don’t recall the Constitution’s grant of power being that open-ended. Most certainly it was not the intent of the Founders to allow that sort of activity at all.

      • blooch

        “If a place [ is] too dangerous, too poor or too small, send the First Lady.”

        http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/03/25/flashback-beckel-amused-hillarys-daring-bosnia-mission-sinbad

        Hillary flew into Bosnia with Sinbad…maybe Michelle can take Common corkscrewing into Tripoli with her.

  • BooBooKitty

    Either would be fine by me if we were actually waiting for or slogging toward a final goal of victory.

    Unfortunately though, O has committed US troops for the stated purpose of creating a humane war environment. Some serious liberal mind- twisting necessary on this oxymoronic concept, but necessary so that these vaguely identified rebels/revolutionaries save face for the “Obama inspired Arab Spring”.

    Best way to end this war: remove the reporters as in Iran and Syria so that O can retreat back into his fantasy land foreign policy where speeches are considered an equitable replacement for reality.

  • SoFiMil
  • Menlo

    It seems many Republicans not only support military action in Libya, but they are also criticizing Obama for not being MORE aggressive! I read about recent remarks from Tim Pawlenty to that effect.

    It’s very disturbing to not see any serious Republican support for getting American military personnel out of there.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      since we did, we should “win” it for many reasons. Yes, win is in quotes, but the rep of the US and its deterrent values is paramount now. Gadaffy’s removal must happen at our hands since we intruded ourselves. We are THE target of evil and have been since at least 1941 and probably since 1917. We are what makes ANY liberty possible and we will be the target of evil no matter what. Therefore, since we have put our rep on the line, only the removal of Gadaffy, at minimum, sustains the status quo deterrence that is the most important factor in keeping the liberty miracle of the last 200 years possible. Most of human history, before the USA was the dark ages, even during Rome and Greece. The Shining City is worth keeping the shine on, even if Obama screwed up.

      • Menlo

        Count me out of that equation. And that’s the biggest bunch of nonsense I’ve read yet. This whole action is evil and it needs to be stopped! American military has no business there, and you have provided no argument beyond what appears to be a patriotic sentiment that it does. Without a serious threat to the US, unstoppable by other means, US military should never invade another country.

        Otherwise, I don’t see any “Shining City,” I don’t share a nationalist sentiment, and I don’t think history is relevant here.

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
          • Menlo

            The only ones at issue are those physically present there and those in government who send them there. I, and the vast majority of Americans, aren’t in any way responsible.

            I can say I’ve never read Mein Kampf and was speaking figuratively in that sense. I’m sorry if it sounded not nice personally, but I strongly hold the belief that while America is far from the world’s worst country, and I’m thankful for what I have, I don’t believe it (or possibly any) to be the best. It’s simply not a sentiment I share.

        • powertothepeople

          we should not have been there, but now that we are, lets handle this war like a war and then leave.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
          • gpclaw

            Sit back while the Muslim Brotherhood takes control of Libya? The situation seems to be a lose-lose. Meanwhile, we’ve flushed any meager savings from the last “budget deal” down the toilet.

          • acat

            although Europe in general seems to be allergic to adventurism of late.

            Maybe the Italians… Can’t see La Cosa Nostra being worse than the Brotherhood…

            Mew

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • uselogic

            on keyboard 3. Too funny!

          • aesthete

            If a “win” results in an Al-Qaeda sympathetic government, it’s a complete waste of time. We should get out under the guise of allowing our European “allies” to take the lead on this one, especially since we don’t yet have forces on the ground that could get us stuck in Libya for years.

            However, it would have been nice if we could have avoided this in the first place, and the bellicosity of McCain, Palin and others in the conservative movement who were calling for aggressive action was simply shameful.

          • Menlo

            I don’t think it’s right for them to fight just as a show of military power. I think they should leave as soon as possible. Let the military prove itself when they perceive a genuine threat to this country.

      • radicalrighty

        at the thought of winning a war. Now, winning an election is something he can really sink his teeth into!

      • edintexas

        Given that Dear Leader has given “NATO” (i.e. Britain and France) the “lead”, the US will get no particular benefit of deterrence from any “win”. Of course that assumes we won’t have to put boots on the ground for a decade or so to pull off a “win”.

        We had deterrence when Bush’s Iraq War convinced Daffy to give up his nuclear program and sit quietly. Now we have shown the world that surrendering to the US’s demands doesn’t mean we won’t attack you anyway. Not exactly encouragement for others to do what we wish.

        We can’t afford this adventurism. We do not need to be “the world’s policeman”, though we shouldn’t ignore threats to our country and citizens, or our treaty obligations. As regards the UN ‘mission”, this isn’t “mission creep”, it is “mission race”. From day one we, and the Brits and French, have exceeded the UN “mission” to protect civilians. And while I’m on the UN, I have never found any validity to the UN since I was in the Army and John Kennedy was Commander-in-Chief.

        I’m sure I would not agree with Menlo on a variety of subjects, but in this one case I agree that we need to remove our forces and let the Brits and French handle it as they see fit. How far we have come since Eisenhower forced the Brits, French and Israelis to back down from their Egypt/Suez invasion.

        • uselogic

          our current leadership.

          “Now we have shown the world that surrendering to the US?s demands doesn?t mean we won?t attack you anyway. Not exactly encouragement for others to do what we wish.”

          Do none of the goobers in office who support this action get this? (Yes, that was rhetorical.)

    • powertothepeople

      that we are calling for an extended stay, but that we actually go in and take care of business. We should not have done in to Libya, or at least if we felt action was needed there it should have come after some much worse areas, but once we fired the first shot, we should have wiped the enemy out.

      I think it has more to do with us being tired of pansy presidents and congressional reps playing nice guy war and making a fool out of the most powerful military in the world more so than actually wanting us to stay. We have got to get to the point where if we feel the situation warrants military action, we need to treat it like war, not like pinging an attacking rabid dog with a bb gun.

      • Menlo

        However, I do not care what people in other countries think about the military here. Leave it to the Chinese government to go all out to make a show of its wealth, power, prestige, and world dominance.

        • powertothepeople

          unless you are one of us who are calling for us to take care of business and leave. You would be a part of the we that you fit into.

          Sorry, figured it would be quite obvious that “we” would cover those who thought the same way or close to the same way, not all conservatives in general. I will remember next time to clearly say “Menlo, you are not part of (this) group so you can understand the meaning of “we” when in the context of an answer associating a like minded group to the answer.

          • Menlo

            Whether people support it or not, they are not IN Libya, nor did they order them there. Only the military is actually there, and only Obama and his appointees sent them there. To me, that disqualifies most Americans.

          • powertothepeople

            with what you stated and how I answered. You made a general and wrong comment about “republicans” supporting the war and wanting us to be there, I clarified your remark by stating many of us, or “we” that you think want us to be there do not really want the war, but we do want the war waged as war is supposed to be waged. Your comment and my response has nothing to do with who is over there or who sent them, it simply has to do with your claim that those of us who are calling for Obama to treat this so called action like a serious war somehow translates into us supporting the action as being right, that we wanted to go over there, and that we think the move was right.

            What you seem to be missing is that while few on our side were calling for us to go over there and few on our side thought it was the right thing to do, we do believe that once the move has been made, our president needs to stop playing games and putting our soldiers in more harm than is needed, and he needs to wage a vicious war so that we can end this thing and bring our troops home. It is along the same lines of the ROE in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are playing over there as if we are friends and it has put our troops in more danger than what is normal for war. Those of us, or we, who support treating war like what it is, brutal ass war, want to see our troops have the freedom to do what soldiers are trained to do and that is go in, wipe the enemy out, and then leave. Does not mean we support every aspect of those ways or that we support the continued presence, we simply want our leaders to do what we need to do once they have made the decision to go to war so that it can be done and over as quick as possible and our men and women can come home.

            And just because I or others are not there personally, we still have a stake in the war. It is our fellow citizens in harms way, it is our country who is at war, many of us, myself included have family members who are in the thick of it, and many of us have done our own time in the military. So we are not disqualified from anything, we are a part of it.

          • Menlo

            “We” are not in Libya; the military is there. No question we may be affected. No question we all have a right to our views on it. My view is that wrong actions should be ended, even at the expense of looking weaker or less credible to others.

          • powertothepeople

            you are more than entitled to your opinion. But at the same time, you should really give us the benefit of the doubt before assuming our desire that our president treat this as a war rather than his PR playground does not translate into us having supported his actions from the start. Most of us had the same original beliefs, where we split in the road is that we feel once we are there we need to destroy them where you believe we should just leave right now.

    • aesthete
  • jeffex11

    The Libya war is merely a pretext to use Samantha Power’s “responsibility to protect act” to save the poor Libyan rebels(the same people we are fighting in Afghanistan) from genocide by the dictator Gaddafi.

    To establish with Obama’s world view as the ultimate authority …the UN a reason to use military force. Never mind that what he really did was show the world that the American congress is moot! Never mind that he is using OUR constitution as paper in the family pet’s cage…..

    This pretext is to create a case for the Muslim caliphate building in the middle East to cite as THEIR cause to attack Israel…..Obama is complicit in this ……..He will be “forced” NOT to act to help our long time ally Israel as he view the UN as the ultimate authority over our congress and constitution….

    A president who’s party ( Scarry Reid) tried to declare a loss in Iraq by decree back in 2006 have now sat back while we are in 2 more wars since inauguration day.

    And now the reason we are still involved in Libya is to further diminish and stretch our military to the brink. One of the Obama’s campaign promises was to create a civilian army equally as funded and trained as our current military. Now I am one that takes these words at face value…….He needs a new military ….one that is loyal to his Marxist plans. One that will help him transform from the current military that he spreads thin and dictates unreasonable ROE’s to. A military that by the time he is done will welcome a new Obama military to change over to……

    I can see it now …spouses will be begging their other half to quit the old style military and join the new Obama army….with new easy deployment rules …..new pay scales ( with printed money)…new assignments …..and NEW ALLEGIANCES to the Obama transformation of America…..

    How do you defeat the greatest military in history? you destroy it from within………the progressive way. Then you claim the old way has failed and usher in the new Marxist way . So it seems like lolly pops and rainbows………..diabolical comes to mind. Obama is the modern Trojan hose that the America people pulled inside their impenetrable walls. Sent here by the progressives to destroy capitalism and our Republic

    • ag8tor

      Great post. Agree 100%. This clown we have in the WH could easily cause our demise. Especially if he is re-elected.

    • gpclaw

      I wonder how Barry O’s recent public statements concerning the Palestinian’s, tie into the future of Libya? When he made his statement about the pre-1967 borders, he had to have known that this was a non-starter for the Israeli’s, and more than likely, putting a peace deal even further out of reach. So what did he hope to achieve?

      Is Obama trying to send a message to the future ‘leaders’ of Libya, the Muslim Brotherhood? Is he saying “I’m on your side, because I too hate the Jewish oppressors”?

      What are these grassroots movements, who are calling for ‘change’ in the Arab world? Are we witnessing an Arab Socialist movement in the Middle East, much like the Marxist revolution that swept Latin America in the 50′s and 60′s?

      Has Obama become the community organizer for the Arab world, and promote the Jeremiah Wright vision of Social Justice, with the Palestinians and the Muslim Brotherhood as his chess pieces?

      • jeffex11

        Yes …..Obama is taking to the Muslim world in his speeches……to the 57 MUSLIM states….that was NOT an error he made. it was a intended message.

        Like a just released video tape from Bin Laden…..where the media is careful to have pre-screened it for possible hidden messages and trigger words to some unknown terror cell…..The Obama is reassuring the Muslim word that he has their back!!!

  • politicalqrm

    in Libya is the liberal equivalent of conducting a war. They are strikes to kill Qaddafi, that’s it. But by labeling it a “war” it puts Obama’s CinC persona at the forefront. Iraq and Afghanistan don’t count since they are “Bush’s wars.”

    If he succeeds in getting rid of Qaddafi, it will be touted by the media and his campaign as evidence of a true leader. That coupled with killing UBL will be the cornerstone of his campaign.

  • ag8tor

    one of the major promises that “O” made during the 2008 campaign was to bring home all the troops in Iraq & Afganhistan. He got the anti-war crowds votes for that one. Now he has created his own little war in Libya for no reason and is getting props for it in the media. This guy wouldn’t smell if he fell in a cesspool. The media wouldn’t say he did anyhow. Actually this whole administration is one huge cesspool but that’s another topic. I was supportive of our need to take out Hussein but we have run the course. While I adamantly support our troops where ever they are, I see the needs both human and financial to get out of these three conflicts. We have been involved in the middle east for years and they still don’t want us there.Now Mr. no-foreign-affairs-experience has insulted and alienated our only ally in the region by trying to tell Isreal what they should be doing. I say let’s pull out of these three conflicts and support Isreal in a major way if we need a presence in the area. The frightful loss of life and the cost has now stretched our militray capacity to the limit. Time to change course in the middle east and in the WH.

    • aesthete

      He wanted to expand operations in Afghanistan.

      (BTW, he broke his promise vis a vis Iraq: he’s actually behind Bush’s schedule.)

  • lineholder

    are calling for USA to be more proactive in leading this kinetic military action excursion.

    And in that interview with Cameron, PM Cameron probably thought he was doing Obama a favor by pointing out how modest our President was being in saying that the US really isn’t taking much action on this, but Cameron let it be known that it is the US is investing far more time, money, energy and effort into this excursion than our President (and MSM) would have us to believe.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8540566/Barack-Obamas-visit-to-the-G8-summit-day-one-as-it-happened.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8530204/G8-summit-2011-in-Deauville-live.html

  • aesthete

    that are very important, and that have been forgotten by both liberals and those who subscribe to an aspirational form of “conservatism” which sees it as our mission to bring the democratic evangel to third world nations through the military. Generally speaking, those conservatives who absorbed these lessons during the Cold War were those speaking out against intervention in Libya before it happened, and were able predict many of the general problems that we’ve faced there.

    First, acting on little to no information and lots of emotionalism to undertake major initiatives is a terrible way to respond to situations. While rules should not be absolute, there should be established, consistent policy in place (a template, if you will) to address general situations. In the case of unclear situations, one should lean towards very minor action: committing oneself to war is a measure that is epic in scope, and for which a high burden of proof should be required. In the case of Libya, where the establishment called for war despite knowing almost nothing of Libyan society or politics, the array of forces and almost anything of relevance, we have been unable to assign even basic preferred end-games and a plan to get us there, much less a mission.

    Second, sometimes there are no good guys. This is often the case in socio-political systems which do not promote universal values (i.e., right and wrong applies equally to incentivize and promote strife, which have formal and informal caste systems, and which do not have non-violent mechanisms by which to become wealthy, resolve conflict, and transfer property. Unsurprisingly, that describes many failed states and police states very well, and means that we can’t rely on the evil of an oppressor to inform us about the goodness of the rebels fighting him. Societies do not change simply because we’d like them to, or because we have better guns.

    Third, we should not be fighting wars on behalf of other countries. I find the hysteria over our troops being under another nation’s command in a strategic capacity to be overwrought, and in many instances our interests intersect with those of others such that multi-national forces make sense. However, there should be no question that our military assets (to say nothing of our citizens’ lives and liberty) should be put into play only when something of ours is at stake: every military operation costs us something, whether it be lives, money or liberty (and it’s usually all three).

    Fourth, stability, and not idealism, is what should motivate us. Ideals are wonderful, but generally useless in the context of war. Very little of what has been done before in terms of foreign policy in the name of ideology has produced results that even begin to approach what its architects had in mind. The vast, all-encompassing attempts to impose this ideology are costly for both the occupier and the occupied, and being that they are centrally planned, are run very inefficiently.