Herman Cain, Gilad Shalit, and Emptying GITMO in Exchange for One Captive Soldier


Herman Cain is taking a beating – at least judging by my email inbox – over a line he uttered in the interview below with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer earlier today:

The part that folks are taking serious issue with takes place between 0:48 and 1:09, and the transcript is as follows:

BLITZER: Imagine if you were President – we’re almost out of time – uh, and there were one American soldier who’d been held for years, and the demand was, al Qaeda or some other terrorist group, you– ya gotta free everybody at Guantanamo Bay– several hundred prisoners at Guantanam– could you see yourself as President authorizing that kind of transfer?

CAIN: I could see myself authorizing that kind of transfer.

The synopses of this I’m seeing are some variation of “Cain said he’d release all Gitmo terrorists in exchange for one American P.O.W.” and “Cain would release all gitmo detainees for one soldier.” However, that’s not what happened at all – and I don’t share the outrage at this point that some of my very good friends and colleagues do over this statement. Here’s why.

First, the context of the statement, as one can see by watching the full minute-and-a-half-long video, is a discussion of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision to exchange 1,027 Palestinian prisoners, including murderers and terrorists, for IDF Sergeant Gilad Shalit, who had been in the captivity of Hamas for five years. Cain spent the entirety of the clip outside the nineteen seconds in question professing his respect for Netanyahu and declaring that a hard look at all of the facts and factors involved must – and in this case, almost certainly did – accompany such a difficult decision, which has such far-reaching repercussions.

Further, Cain completed the thought quoted above by saying, “but what I would do, is I would make sure that I got all of the information, that I got all of the input, considered all of the options, and then the President has to be the President and make a judgment call. I can make that call if I had to.

This isn’t an easy question. Many of us would love to live in a world where our President can be Harrison Ford from Air Force One and say, “Atrocity and terror are not political weapons. And to those who would use them, your day is over. We will never negotiate. We will no longer tolerate and we will no longer be afraid. It’s your turn to be afraid.” In fact, we had a president who said basically that in late 2001, after the worst terrorist attack in our history – and while it felt good to hear, we don’t (in my opinion) live in a world that’s significantly freer of terror or of threats to our nation than we did before those words were uttered.

The fact is, terrorists should never be negotiated with in response to any type of blackmail, including something as awful as a captive U.S. service member. While the nation has a commitment to those who wear the uniform to never leave them behind, it’s part of the job of the decisionmaker-in-chief to weigh the options and possible outcomes and repercussions, including second and third order effects, of each course of action in any situation, this included. I agree with Cain that Benjamin Netanyahu must have weighed countless details before ultimately deciding to agree to basically the same terms Hamas demanded five years ago in exchange for a captive soldier, and while I am happy for Shalit’s family that he has returned, and while I think a deal like this sends a message to other members of the IDF that, should they be abducted by terrorists, even years later their country will do what it takes to secure their return, I also believe that the negative repercussions of this exchange will far outweigh the positives. These include, but are far from limited to, the effect on Hamas and the Palestinian Authority of having their veteran killers back in the fold and on the streets again, as well as the validation of abduction and capture as a strategy that will pay off in a big way.

Given the circumstances – his stated respect for Netanyahu, and the fact that any black-and-white answer would have been used by somebody to bludgeon him for being a coward, for not caring about the lives of the troops, or for something else – I think Cain answered the question well. I also hope that we never have a commander in chief who would validate terrorist actions by ceding to their demands, even if it does mean returning a brave American servicemember from captivity. There have been examples during the GWOT of Americans captured, tortured, and murdered by terrorists, and there is at least one example even now in Sgt Bowe Berghdal, who has been in Taliban captivity in Afghanistan since 2009.

It’s the job of the President to look that situation – the captivity of an American, and his or her potential death – directly in the eye, and to weigh the possible outcomes of every course of action, from ceding to the captors’ demands to refusing to empower terrorists by validating their strategy. The right decision will almost always be to tell terrorists to shove it, and to decide what comes next from that default starting point. However, I don’t believe Herman Cain, in the clip above, was saying anything different than that. He was simply trying to cover his bases in answering the question, while not hanging the subject of the conversation – Benjamin Netanyahu – out to dry by declaring outright that he would never take a similar course of action, facts, details, and fallout be damned.



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Props JE

RottDawg (Diary) Tuesday, October 18th at 9:29PM EDT (link)

I must say that I was not expecting to read what I just read. Thank you Jeff.

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As an independent in this race...

Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 1:00PM EDT (link)

…who isn’t aligned with a candidate, but who wants a conservative/GOP victory, I definitely try to be as fair as is possible. I’m sure I’ll tick you off at some point as well (along with the supporters of every other candidate) simply because of that fact, but thanks for the words – they’re appreciated.

JE

 
 

The only acceptable answer from a candidate for President

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, October 18th at 9:30PM EDT (link)

is “We don’t negotiate with terrorists, we kill them.”

Anything less than this requires the lengthy and ineffective apologia setforth above.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Let me be completely clear....

jacobite Wednesday, October 19th at 3:38PM EDT (link)

Not only should terrorists be killed, either on the spot or after extreme interrogation; they must be killed. They are not legal combatants under the Law of War (not to be confused with various treaties since WW II), and the LOW is enforced by penalizing violators. Lawful comabatants, when captured, are held captive IAW the LoW. Illegal combatants, when captured, are …what? If you imprison them, they are paying zero penalty for violating the LoW. If illegal combatants pay no penalty, then what is the incentive for complying with the laws? Illegal combatants must face execution, or compliance with the LoW becomes completely voluntary. Since complying with the LoW often entails behavior which makes victory less likely, there has to be incentive to obey. I believe some Jewish comentators thousands of years ago pointed out that not punishing criminals penalizes the law-abiding. That is wrong and stupid. If the Israelis simply executed every terr they capture, there would be no problem with prisoner swaps. Any commander who would allow 1,000 enemy soldiers to escape to save one of his own soldiers is going to be on the losing side when it’s all over. And the IDF is not fighting for territory or control of sea lanes; they are fighting for their lives. They don’t seem to accept this, but it doesn’t matter whether or not they agree, it is the fact.

 

Even clearer....

jacobite Wednesday, October 19th at 3:42PM EDT (link)

An Admiral (either Nimitz or Halsey, I’d guess) commented after Pearl Harbor: “By the time this war is over, the only place you’ll hear the Japanese language spoken will be in hell”.

 
 

Thanks Jeff

GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, October 18th at 9:38PM EDT (link)

Like RD, after reading other diaries here, I was not expecting to read the words I read. Thanks for being fair to Cain, and revealing the words around the quote. I read that one difference with the Israeli exchange is that military service is required for Israeli men, and as such, there is a sense of commitment from the government to the Israeli soldier that may not translate into a voluntary force. I also assume that Israel does not have a death penalty, because that would surely decrease the numbers of terrorists eligible for exchange. Or, does Israel see them as true POWs, and as such are treated that way instead of as enemy combatants?


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Jeff, appreciate your insights

tngal (Diary) Tuesday, October 18th at 9:38PM EDT (link)

Yes I was worried, being a cain supporter, however your explanation is satisfactory. Not so much worried about it, now. ALthough I’m not sure it can fit into a one minute answer.

 

This is what you get, Herman:

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, October 18th at 9:57PM EDT (link)

From the Telegraph UK. “The Popular Resistance Committees, the Hamas-dominated militant coalition that captured Sgt Maj Shalit, vowed that it would seize another Israeli soldier to force Israel to release the 6,000 Palestinian prisoners that remain in its custody.

“We are going to capture another soldier and cleanse all the Israeli jails of our prisoners,” said a masked spokesman using the nom de guerre Abu Mujahid. “

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

I would hope that before this thread lights itself on fire

unclefred (Diary) Tuesday, October 18th at 10:05PM EDT (link)

People would consider the clarification that Cain made in tonight’s debate. Cain is not a politician so he often get caught where he answers a hypothetical question in the narrow context in which it was offered.

He made very clear that as a policy base there would be no negotiations with terrorists. So the characterization that he would open gitmo for one hostage is way over the top and incorrect.

 

I don't have a problem with Cain's answer to the question.

rickbull Tuesday, October 18th at 10:36PM EDT (link)

This is the first time that I have seen this clip, and Cain’s answer was sufficient for me. He said, “I would have to know all the considerations he made . . .” Herman answered the question before it was even asked.

We know that Benjamin Netanyahu is not a weak leader, by any stretch of the imagination, and he made this call based on the facts. And this could be his way of giving the Palestinians enough rope to hang themselves.

It would be nice, though, if the LSM would occasionally play a little gotcha journalism with a liberal (for a change).

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Jeff, I had not read nor heard the entire exchange.

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 12:37AM EDT (link)

I appreciate the honest analysis.

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I appreciate the thoughts laid forth here, Jeff

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 1:43AM EDT (link)

IMO, it’s not a good idea to trade known terrorists for a single serviceman, noble and understandable as the sentiment is. The number of skilled terrorists and planners out there is small, and releasing hardened terrorists guarantees dead Americans or other free people at some point down the line. I thought that Cain defended this view well, and though I wish he’d been less equivocal, this answer is ultimately OK. As others said, I was not expecting this post — it was refreshing.

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aesthete, I agree with you, as I hope is clear above

Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 12:54PM EDT (link)

I’ll be posting in a bit on the Shalit trade itself and what I think the repercussions will be, but as far as this goes, I think Cain handled it as well as could be hoped, and I actually think his tendency to second-guess himself when called on something hurt him last night, as he tried to equivocate about what wasn’t the wrong thing to say in the first place.

JE

 
 

Let's all continue to give Cain a "pass"...

rsklaroff (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 5:34AM EDT (link)

…while he persists in basing his foreign policy stances on professions of naivete..

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/10/16/cain-foreign-policy-ignorance-neoconservatism/

[updated]

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/10/18/cain-debates-scrutiny-seriousness/

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999 is a big mistake

skipsart Wednesday, October 19th at 5:51AM EDT (link)

HERMAN CAIN’S PLAN IS FAR FROM WHAT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE

YOU CAN TINKER WITH “APPLES & ORANGES”…..BUT THE TRUTH IS,

AND I QUOTE

PER The Brookings Institution Tax Policy Center

Herman’s 9-9-9- proposal plan will cause most of working America’s, after tax income to fall. Only 3.8% American’s earning less than $10,000.00 per year income will see any form of a tax break. The average reduction will be about $450.00 per year.

Meanwhile, 70.1% of American’s earning between 200K & 500K will see their taxes liability fall by approximately $19,745.00 per year.

Which American’s will benefit the most from Herman Cain’s 9-9-9- plan? 88.2% of American’s earning 500K to One Million Dollars will see their tax liability “Drop” by aprox. $70,800.00

And guess who will end up paying more? About 90% of American’s earning between $10K & 50K per year. They will see a tax increase between $2,780.00 and $4,875.00

In simple English language, wealthy American’s will see a huge tax reduction, while low income individuals will see very much the exact opposite. The “AVERAGE” tax change for those earning below 50K will be an increase of about 19.5% overall. The “AVERAGE” tax reduction for wealthy American’s will about 15%

And there you have it in a nutshell, minus all of the talking points

Verifiable at the Brookings Institute Tax Policy Center

threadjack

Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 7:31AM EDT (link)

There are plenty of threads going on right now at this site about Cain’s 9-9-9 plan. This is not one of them.

Conduct yourself accordingly.

JE

That

Kudzu (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 10:52PM EDT (link)

and this person is using the Brooking’s Institute as a source on RedState.

JE, I’m glad I wasn’t the only one with some realistic views on his statement. The hardline “we don’t negotiate” is a cute, chest thumping quip that Americans love. Truth is much more gray than they’d like to know.

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The Israeli ambassador to the US....

jiminga Wednesday, October 19th at 7:08AM EDT (link)

said in a recent interview that Israelis seek life while their enemies seek death. That being the case, Israel valued the life of one soldier above the value of prisoners. The decision is very controversial in Israel and has damaged Netanyahu, but he decided based on high principles.

Truth is...

Kudzu (Diary) Wednesday, October 19th at 10:57PM EDT (link)

Civilized people care more about life than the uncivilized. Its why we’ll risk men’s lives until the dead are carried out. Its why we have a specialized joint task force set up to continue recovery efforts of POW/MIA for all conflicts. I’m sure some budget hawk would love to cut the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency down some, their mission really has no value to national defense but they continue tracking down the rumors of American POWs in every conflict.

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