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Rick Santorum: A Massively Expanded Welfare State is ‘The Genuine Conservatism our Founders Envisioned’

"I believe what I've been presenting is the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned. One that fosters the opportunity for all Americans to live as we are called to live, in selfless families that contribute to the general welfare, the common good."


Despite strident opposition from supporters who maintain that Rick Santorum is a “true conservative” in the mold of – you guessed it – Ronald Reagan, the already huge mountain of evidence that he is, at heart, a ‘big-government conservative’ continues to grow. As Erick noted previously, in 2008 Santorum said:

This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone.

Now, consider these two quotes from Santorum’s 2005 book It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good, both of which are very telling:

What was my vision? I came to the uncomfortable realization that conservatives were not only reluctant to spend government dollars on the poor, they hadn’t even thought much about what might work better. I often describe my conservative colleagues during this time as simply ‘cheap liberals.’ My own economically modest personal background and my faith had taught me to care for those who are less fortunate, but I too had not yet given much thought to the proper role of government in this mission.

-Preface, p. IX; audio here

And:

I suspect some will dismiss my ideas as just an extended version of ‘compassionate conservatism.’ Some will reject what I have said as a kind of ‘Big Government Conservatism.’ Some will say that what I’ve tried to argue isn’t conservatism at all. But I believe what I’ve been presenting is the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned. One that fosters the opportunity for all Americans to live as we are called to live, in selfless families that contribute to the general welfare, the common good.

-Conclusion, p. 421; audio here

Though the second quote is the “money shot,” as it were, the value of the first is that it sets the stage for Santorum’s exploration of the role of government in the book. As the second quote demonstrates, Santorum has not only concluded that it is the role of government to ensure that “all Americans…contribute to the general welfare, the common good” by acting as the chief arbiter of charitable resources and their distribution.

This is wrong on several levels. While there is absolutely a role for government in creating and maintaining a social safety net (Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, etc.) for the population that cannot take care of itself (whether that should take place at the federal, state, or local level, and in what measure each, is a different discussion), Santorum’s instinct appears to be to use government to expand that safety net to all who may be in need or want of charity. Further, he accuses conservatives in Congress who disagree with a significantly expanded role of government in enforcing redistributive charity and welfare of being “cheap liberals” who haven’t “though [enough] about” the issue of “the poor” to recognize that making decisions about charity is clearly government’s job to do.

Not only does Santorum argue for an expansion of the welfare state as the proper way to ensure that “all Americans…contribute to the general welfare,” and not only does he dismiss criticisms that his view represents “an extended version of compassionate conservatism” or “big government conservatism,” but he actually claims that increasing the size and scope of government, and its role in growing the welfare state, represents “the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned.”

I’m not criticizing Rick Santorum for being concerned about his fellow man. However, instinctively turning to government to cure all that ails our society and individuals within it – and calling that a “conservative” instinct – shows a lack of understanding about the role of government itself within our society. Further, his belief that only government is able (and benevolent enough) to ensure that “all Americans…contribute to the general welfare” in an acceptable manner reveals a lack of faith in, and understanding of, conservatism and conservative Americans. Were he to step outside of his more-government-is-the-solution bubble, he would learn, for example, that conservative Americans voluntarily contribute to the “common good” by donating to private charities at a very high rate – much higher than liberals who, like Santorum, look to an ever-expanding government to take care of the poor using Americans’ tax dollars.

Santorum certainly isn’t unique within the community of current and former lawmakers in his faith that government has the answers and the moral requirement to make fiscal decisions (including where charitable contributions are to be made, and in what amounts) for the American people as a whole. However, denying that such a belief is “big government conservatism” (if it is conservatism at all) is only surpassed on the absurdity scale by the claim that such a belief truly represents “the genuine conservatism our Founders envisioned.”

COMMENTS

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I don’t want to be selfless. Stop trying to sign me up fro your crusade you moralistic nanny!

    • duramater

      mandated charity is not charity at all, but is merely common theft. I prefer to live by (among other precepts), “Thou shalt not steal”. And that should apply to a government or any entity that tries to wrap Karl Marx in swaddlin’ clothes and pass him off as baby Jesus.

      • Locked and Loaded

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      • noveldog9

        Nothing! You said it all with those simple words. Mandated charity is not charity at all, but is merely common theft. Your post was a very good one duramater.

        • duramater

          As I wrote in a post below, the Senator’s words as quoted are all too familiar to me, a common refrain heard in SOME Catholic academic circles.

          While I am acutely aware of other subgroups and denominations advancing these philosophies on government’s role and I consider them to be no less heretical for doing so; my consciousness and concern has been raised when I consider the Senator’s words in the context of his religious background, too.

          Ten, even 5 years ago, I would not have been so alarmed. I would have been blissfully ignorant of the language and the links between the groups that use it like tendrils emanating from some malignant cor.

  • Rhampton

    A core principle of conservatism is that government can not change our base human nature, thus utopian designs are ill conceived. Given this history of our country since its founding, it’s logical to conclude that – even if the best circumstances imaginable – private charity will never come close to covering the needs of the republic, and therefore some level of public charity is necessary to promote the general welfare. And in truth, most conservative republicans do want to continue the Social Security and Medicare programs, albeit with massive reforms to guarantee solvency. Yet those programs will always be fundamentally socialist, and thus the label ?big government” is apropos. (Perhaps a better way to phrase it: Santorum promotes a ?big government conservatism? whereas Obama promotes a “massive government liberalism” – scale does matter)

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      Particularly the part that says:

      While there is absolutely a role for government in creating and maintaining a social safety net (Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, etc.) for the population that cannot take care of itself (whether that should take place at the federal, state, or local level, and in what measure each, is a different discussion), Santorum?s instinct appears to be to use government to expand that safety net to all who may be in need or want of charity. Further, he accuses conservatives in Congress who disagree with a significantly expanded role of government in enforcing redistributive charity and welfare of being ?cheap liberals? who haven?t ?though [enough] about? the issue of ?the poor? to recognize that making decisions about charity is clearly government?s job to do.

    • profnickd67

      of (American) conservatism is to uphold the Constitution.

      As such, conservative support for federal entitlement programs of any kind is indefensible. (Such support at the state/local level may be argued, albeit dubiously.)

      Calvin Coolidge — if you’re ever wondering whether a federal activity should advocated by a conservative, simply ask: did it exist under Coolidge’s administration?

      Not a perfect but a pretty good litmus test.

    • Lesstressrx

      SS & Medicare are not welfare programs. Created by socialist yes, but since the creation seniors have had no choice. We all have paid into SS & Medicare. Just like Obamacare they wanted Americans to be under their care. (Pure Control) My husband & I had to go on Medicare because that is the way the government set it up. Now they want to do the same thing with the rest of the people. Once again so they will have control over our lives. I encourage young people to fight for their own, they are taking away procedures and drugs daily. Obamacare will be the final nail in the coffin. I encourage you to not label SS & Medicare as welfare programs. It is disrespectful to an entire group of Americans that have worked hard for our country.
      This being said, Santorum is a social conservative. Moderate at best. He is not the fiscal conservative that he claims to be. Proof is right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_jTexx2Kk&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=The+Perry+Almanac&utm_campaign=d4c91b9b9c-Email_19_15_2011&utm_medium=email

      • noveldog9

        It started off as a social program for our elderly. We all had to pay into the program year after year which means we invested our money in our future retirement.

        Many greedy congressmen saw the huge pile of money sitting there drawing interest. They saw…and they wanted it for their pet projects. They moved the money from a private stand alone fund to the general fund where they could get there greedy paws on it. Now many draw money from SS who have not paid into it.

        Our congressmen should have to pay into the same program that we do. They should have to use the same medicare insurance. If they want a coinsurance, or supplement, then let them buy their own just like we have to do,. If this happened they would soon stop allowing the money to be spent on those who never contributed into the program and it would go on indefinitely.

  • reddog53

    I read that last passage as someone with a particular view of his faith saying that we are called to live a selfless way by that faith — the references to “feed my sheep, “clothe the naked” and care for widows and orphans run throughout the Scripture. I honk he makes a broad assumption that the nation’s founders were guided by particularly Christian views, and you can certainly debate that point. I don’t read into his passage that he is requiring everyone to do as he says, but rather him saying that we should each live as our particular understanding calls us to do.

    I do not see this as necessarily advocating government to do these things, but for individuals, acting on their faith to do so, presumably through churches or other charities.

    Perhaps we should relax a bit on the pointed barbs?

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      Try looking at what he says instead of what you want him to be saying, and check out the rest of the book if you still disagree. The fact is, Santorum advocates here – and backs that up with his voting record – a default position that the responsibility for charity on its own behalf and on behalf of the American population as a whole lies with government, not the individual.

      • duramater

        There is a Marxist/ Liberation theological strand in the Catholic church which I once considered to be more of a fringe element but have notice their rhetoric to have seeped into what many consider “main stream” in recent years.

        The excerpts of Sen. Santorums writings include the phraseology and philosophy espoused by this element. It is taught in theology classes at Catholic universities and, in fact, permeates the curriculum across all disciplines at some of these institutions. Invited speakers and authors who decry American values, rail “against the pursuit of happiness”, foster class antagonism in the name of social and economic justice are celebrated and their ideas are often advanced in the form of “common reader” , cross curriculum assignments.

        Seemingly benign and overflowing with pathos and compassion for the less fortunate, parishioners, idealistic college students and many in the general population find the words noble and readily embrace what they perceive to be moral social teaching in the spirit of Catholic identity.

        I heard it when Newt described how he would deal with illegal aliens who had resided in this country for some period of time and I recognize the strains in Sen. Santorums words quoted above. Some are calling it big government conservatism. I have come to the conclusion that the rhetoric is more like a gateway drug to socialist-progressivism.

        Be very, very, very careful. This is not the stuff that was in your grandmother’s catechism.

    • discisit

      You had the same reaction as I did after first reading Jeff’s original post.

      Santorum may be a “Big Government” Conservative, but I don’t think one can argue that from the quotes in referenced.

      The positions and statements of all the candidates are worth our review. Putting a definitive label on a particular candidate may hurt more than help any of us.

      First, we should clarify our own views, Then, “push” the candidates TO CLARIFY THEIRS. One really doesn’t serve one’s fellow citizens well when one argues without identifying one’s own preconceptions, biases and misconceptions.

      May I add, before making definitive conclusions about any of the candidates consider the context in which they were speaking or writing. Give them an opportunity or two to clarify any questionable statement they might have made. One must be reasonable ie. “treat others as we would want to be treated”.

  • bobguzzardi

    The people who know him best won’t vote for him, particularly, the social and fiscal conservative base.

    Robert Vickers Harrisburg Patriot News

    http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/01/pennsylvania_gop_leaders_santo.html I commented on this article adding additional evidence

    Note my comments to this Harrisburg Patriot-News article.

    • jakeofalltrades

      And he won’t help.

      What was that excellent suggestion he had? I can’t remember…

    • superpatriot

      Please listen.
      If you support Santorum, the vote again will be divided between Santorum and Gingrich and Romney will win.

      He’ll win S. Carolina, then Florida, then the GOP nomination.

      Then Obama will beat Romney. Sigh.

      • veto

        I am not the political junkie most people on here are “: and don’t pretend to be.

        I am curious as to why one thinks the votes would be split between Gingrich and Santorum? I mean I completely understand like in Iowa that Perry/Santorum/Bachmann were pretty much splitting the votes equally, but I didn’t really think Gingrich fell into the same type of conservative as them. I am not dishing him and he is the most electable, but I just don’t think he falls in the social conservative mold such as Santorum and Perry,

        I mean what would guarantee that Santorums voters wouldn’t go elsewhere Perry/Romney/Huntsman etc…?

        Thanks

        • Adjoran

          Only if there is a “jerk of the month club” somewhere.

          Face it, he’s not all that. Thrown out by the conservatives tired of his crap. Unfaithful to TWO wives with employees. Trashing conservatives when they disagree with his many flirtations with the left. Never met a stupid, pointless, costly initiative he wouldn’t support if you called it “green.” Thought cap-’n'-tax and the individual mandate were “conservative, market solutions.”

          Slandered conservatives who wouldn’t support Dede in NY-23, insulting them continually – until she endorsed the Democrat. Couldn’t qualify for tenure at Georgia Western College – not exactly the “Appalachian Ivy League” after eight years there. After leaving Congress, didn’t return to Georgia, but bought a house in Northern Virginia and began an influence-peddling career.

          Electable? Not a chance, not in a million years.

      • A_Texan

        I hope conservatives rally around Santorum, but it’ll be tough convincing others.

        • JSobieski

          or Romney will win.

          Look for discussions between Newt, Perry, and Santorum after Florida. Those guys wont be able to compete in Super Tuesday without teaming up or people dropping out.

          If one of them finishes higher in both SC and FL, the other two drop.

          That is my prediction.

          • renl57

            He’s far too egotistical to ever face the cameras and endorse any other candidate.

            Santorum has been doing better in the polls lately and so he has no reason to drop out either.

            The one who is most likely to drop out is Perry. He already did once before he thought he might have a shot in SC.

            Right now, Nate Silver is projecting
            Romney 33%
            Santorum 25%
            Gingrich 21%

            So all those three can go on. Perry, who is likely to lose SC big-time, will be the one to drop out.

            That’s what I expect, but I’ll bet it’s not what RedState wants.

            I can’t wait to see whom RedState supports after Perry is gone.

        • carolynr

          You elect Gingrich…you get spending.
          You elect Romney …you get spending
          You elect Santorum…you get force charity…aka..spending.

          WHAT IS OUR PROBLEM…SPENDING…
          Deficit now 100% of GDP…Can you say…Greece. Greece is now throwing their children in the streets … how’s that grab you.

      • duanej

        BHO loses. Period. All one needs do is review the Obama Iowa speech he delivered last week. Bamster is gone.

        The question now is whether we want to replace him with Obama-lite or the new Reagan.

        Romney is your guy if who you really want is Obama by a different name. Huntsman moreso. Any of the others are better, but any of them can beat Obama.

  • stumpy

    with Santorum. If our Founders intended the government to provide charity, why didn’t they set it up? Obviously they didn’t. Santorum just invents this to pretend he is in line. At least liberals admit they want it different.

    The government takes money from us, reducing our ability to give. This reduces the blessings from giving as no one gets a blessing from paying taxes. In addition, it reduces the ability of Christians and those of other faiths to use charity to witness to people. Charities also keep those recieving straight and get them back on their own better than government. The federal government has no role in charity.

    Santorum is wrong and will be more of the same, Bush 2.0.

    • kamiller42

      In the time of the founding fathers, they had

      the poor, but didn’t establish welfare.
      the elderly, but didn’t establish social security.
      the unemployed, but didn’t establish unemployment “benefits.”
      the hungry, but didn’t establish food stamps.
      the uneducated, but didn’t establish tuition assistance.

      Charities can help with many of these things. Do you have any objection to lower levels of government handling these things? Say for instance, state level social security in the truest sense as insurance for the elderly, which individuals would carry with them from state to state if they move.

    • A_Texan

      Jefferson’s notes on the state of Virginia provides an extensive account of governmental support for the poor. The big difference was that it was by the states, and that it was much more modest than today–and in the case of workhouses, deliberately unpleasant.

  • momac

    Last week he acte like people had unfairly labeled Santorum as a Big Government Conservative. No, it was Santorum himself using the term, about himself, in his own book.

    “Some will reject what I have said as a kind of ?Big Government Conservatism.?”

    I hope ‘some’ becomes ‘many’ sooner than later.

  • Rapunzel46

    is trying to push Santorum over Perry or Gingrich. Someone needs to point out Santorums record to Levin, if you could ever get a word in edgewise.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      Electorally, the results have been Santorum > Gingrich > Perry.

      Santorum opposed TARP, never fell for global warming and never had kind things to say about Romneycare like Newt did in 2006. Newt did the above and also stood with Hillary and Al Sharpton at various times.

      Levin likely knows Santorum’s record, and Levin has factored it all in. One aspect may simply be a preference for the family man Santorum over the thrice-married newt.

      • apex_phil

        but I think he’s buds with Santorum and therefore wants to be buds with the next President. And he pretty much ignores Rick Perry.

        • Paul_Zummo

          It couldn’t be that Levin has a better understanding of conservatism than the pseudo-libertarians here. No, it’s gotta be a selfish reason to be friends with the next President.

      • BA Cyclone

        Gingrich mght leave conservatives at the altar from time to time, but he did actually marshal a REFORM to the welfare system. Read: CUT in central government.

        Perry — well he is statewide-elected executive leading a governement that CUT spending.

        Both of the above have openly stated that the central government should get its nose OUT of actual charitable functions, because taxes are not charity.

        Rick Santorum, on the other hand was FOR adding entitlements, AGAINST the right to work, etc. etc.

        Electorally, Rick Santorum’s record flat out stinks…if you are a small-government conservative.

      • BA Cyclone

        Gingrich mght leave conservatives at the altar from time to time, but he did actually marshal a REFORM to the welfare system. Read: CUT in central government.

        Perry — well he is statewide-elected executive leading a governement that CUT spending.

        Both of the above have openly stated that the central government should get its nose OUT of actual charitable functions, because taxes are not charity.

        Rick Santorum, on the other hand was FOR adding entitlements, AGAINST the right to work, etc. etc.

        Electorally, Rick Santorum’s record flat out stinks…if you are a small-government conservative.

  • veto

    Lastest SC insider advantage poll looks like Gingrich surging, Santorum dropping and ugh Perry 5% :(

    Romney — 23 percent

    Gingrich — 21 percent

    Santorum — 14 percent

    Paul — 13 percent

    Huntsman — 7 percent

    Perry — 5 percent

    • septembergurl

      He was at 1-2% in SC before NH.
      In NH he went from 7%-17% in a week so we will see.

      It would not surprise me if Gingrich won. He represented a district in Georgia for 20 years. SC is to him what NH was to Romney – next door.

      Santorum is compared to Huckabee another socon big gov type — but Huck was a two term governor and a Baptist preacher. Santorum is rust belt big labor guy.

      Looks like “Dr Paul” has stalled out in low teens. So there is room for Perry to move up. This could be good.

      • dpmapper

        Most Romney voters (according to NH polls) cared primarily about electability, less about issues. The only non-Romney candidate who can easily make the case that he has an electability advantage over Romney voters is Huntsman, especially since Romney voters have already eliminated Perry and Gingrich for electability reasons; Huntsman has all of Romney’s supposed electability advantages (intelligence, ability to appeal to moderates/independents, lack of corruption) and none of Romney’s disadvantages (susceptible to attacks on flip-flopping and on Bain). Santorum might have a case but I think Romney are wary that his strong association with taking a hard line on social issues might hurt. Therefore, if you want to lower Romney’s numbers, Huntsman is the candidate to talk up. (Perry and Gingrich, incidentally, have eliminated themselves from consideration in a lot of GOP minds due to their rhetoric on Bain.)

        Now, I understand that a lot of Republicans aren’t taking to Huntsman’s personality. But seriously, is Romney really some sort of fountain of charisma himself? I don’t see it. But I guess this is entirely subjective.

        • arthurjake

          He has barely stood up for himself or made a dig at anyone else. As for baggage he worked for the Obama administration. Taking the job and quitting soon after because he disagreed with the policies of Obama is one thing. Helping Obama make America bow down to the Chinese and say what a great job the administration is doing there is totally different. They used to have a saying for people who lived in China for a few years and lost there minds. It was called going Chinese. All that thousands of years of culture stuff would get in people’s heads and they would forget thousands of years of western civilization. I think Huntsman has forgot American greatness and needs to spend some more time at home and get his head back on straight before he is in an office where he can bow down to them like he has been doing as Obama’s apologist in China.

          • jakeofalltrades

            nt

          • dpmapper

            You talking about the “sane vs insane Republican” line? Why do you think he’s insulting you specifically? I think he’s insulting the Michele Bachmann types who still cling to the notion that Christine O’Donnell and Sharron Angle were good candidates. That’s what comes to my mind when I think of “insane” Republicans who, as Huntsman put it, “stand up and light our hair on fire…engage in political theatrics and soundbites”.

            His definition of sane is Paul Ryan. I’m comfortable with preferring Paul Ryan to O’Donnell and Angle, so I don’t think he’s insulting me. Are you?

          • dpmapper

            Swing voters love bipartisanship. And it doesn’t concede anything on policy.

            He “help[ed]… America bow down to the Chinese”? Is there something specific you have in mind, or are you just spouting nonsense? Ambassadors don’t get to control the president, but they do get to fight for American interests – business interests, security interests (eg non-proliferation), push the Chinese on human rights (look up Huntsman’s role in that). Do you object to any of that?

    • A_Texan

      He’s down ten points from before Iowa in the Insider Poll. We’ll need to see more post-NH polls that can compare with some post-IA polls, like Rasmussen’s to see how much Santorum and Gingrich have changed.

      And for what it’s worth–and not a whole lot–updated results show that Santorum beat Gingrich by a 100 votes or so.

  • goodolboy

    Was it not James Madison who said when it came up for a vote for the federal government to give money to help out widows that he could not find any where in the Constitution that authorized such expenditure? And he was a major drafter of the Constitution.
    Whileas an Infantry Officer for over 27 years in the Army when a unit I commanded had a problem I began to seek the source of the problem by beginning at my desk and searching in ever increasing concentric circles. Many times I had to go no further than my desk to find that some directive or order that I issued was not clearly stated or understood. That is the same procedure which should be used with the poor and charity as we look for solutions for assistance for them. First, you find out what the individual can do for themself. Then you move on to their family, then their friends, then their neighbors and then their church. Very seldom should one have to go further than that. If you do need to then the community and town level should be about it. The thing is people now are accepting “charity” from nameless. faces of the “government” and there is not empbarassment in taking the “entitlement” that “I’m owed”. If they had to go face-to-face with whomever they were getting the handout and assistance from they would be more motivated to improve their lot in life. I could go on and on with other solutions as to multiple childred born to wefare mothers should be taken and raised in orphanages. We had none of this federal government give me attitude until Obama The First, FDR, came along.

  • whitfox3

    when in a book over 400 pages, this is the best argument available that he’s a big-government conservative. Isn’t there a single specific policy recommendation worthy of attack?

    Quote 1 shows he’s not a libertarian. Most conservatives aren’t, including all 3-legged conservatives.

    Quotes 2 and 3 prove he acknowledges the validity of federal transfer payments. Just as this essay does.

    If “big-government conservative” really means less fiscally conservative than Perry, then yes, granted, no question. All you have to do is look at Perry’s policy perscriptions and compare. Of course, Santorum’s less fiscally conservative than Paul also, but Paul isn’t vaguely electable. The problem is, it’s not clear that Perry is electable either.

    Before Super Tuesday, conservatives need to unite on someone that can actually challenge Romney for the nomination. I hope that’s Perry, I really do. But this may not be feasible, and tearing down all the other alternatives, for fairly flimsy cause, isn’t helping the ultimate goal.

    My impression from the poll information I’ve seen here, is that Perry is plagued with a high unfavorable rating. Attacking his opponents.doesn’t seem a reasonable strategy to fix that.

    • arthurjake

      I wish he would just get out and back Newt. His backing Santorum would’t make a difference but Newt is close enough even a few percent from Perry would win him SC and send him to keep on winning after that.

    • Lesstressrx

      You may be right about Perry. He must get back on message immediately or he is a cooked goose. That will be the end of the Tea Party candidate. Newt is definitely a government man. He swings both ways but not to the extent Mittens does. I hope Perry gets the message as Newt did and start talking about the things people want to hear.
      Last night on Hannity, Sarah Palin did everything she could to defend Perry. I actually was quite impressed since Hannity was trying everything he could to get her to join his Perry bashing. If he does real bad in SC and I am hoping he does not, you are right he needs to get behind Newt. Anything to keep Mittens from our nominee.
      Cain is out there trying to stir up anything to keep his name circulating and force someone to support his 999 plan which I am sick of hearing about.

  • A_Texan

    “instinctively turning to government to cure all that ails our society and individuals within it ? and calling that a ?conservative? instinct ? shows a lack of understanding about the role of government itself within our society. Further, his belief that only government is able (and benevolent enough) to ensure that ?all Americans?contribute to the general welfare? in an acceptable manner reveals a lack of faith in, and understanding of, conservatism and conservative Americans. ”

    “all” ills? “only government”

    Some is not all.

    He’s not a totalitarian, Please correct.

    I realize that speaking accurately undermines the rhetorical flourish of your critique.

    The differences among Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Rick santorum, and Newt Gingrich are largely ones of emphasis, not principle, including precisely how large the safety net should be, what role the national government should have with respect to that net, etc.

    • arthurjake

      Just look up his voting record in the Senate. Big government conservative is a fair description. The reason he did so well in Iowa was he was so unknown. When the attack adds took a toll on Newt he got the bigger portion of the anti-Romney vote. I would have him over Romney but would rather Perry over him or Gingrich over all of the above.

  • christopher51

    ?It?s amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness.
    People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered, and if we?re compassionate we?ll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint.?

    Penn Jillette of ?Penn & Teller? fame.

  • TopGun

    receiving Hoodwinking consultation from Herman Cain.

    Hoodwinking 101 – Lie to the religious believers. They suck it up like catfish at feeding time.

    Santorum is not even a Social Conservative, because Social Conservatives believe in Fiscal Conservative principles, which cancels out Socialism (Big Government).

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      The high profile SoCons tend to be single issue values voters who pay lip service to fiscal conservatism and small government. See Mike Huckabee, see the “top” evangelicals in Iowa, etc. Santorum is a perfect fit for them

    • Lesstressrx

      Social Conservatives do not have to believe in Conservative principles.

  • billstanley

    “care for those who are less fortunate” and “selfless families that contribute to the general welfare, the common good” — I do not have a problem with these statements as long as he is talking about voluntary contributions from family, friends, neighbors and charities … not forcibly from taxpayers. www.newsandopinions.net

    • johninohio

      He is being intentionally ambiguous in order to appeal to the opposite sides of the welfare debate. If one believes as you do, and as I do, we tend to read that into his words. But if you think government should be running a welfare system, it’s easy to think that he is implying support for that idea since he hasn’t ruled it out in any unmistakable terms.

      In other words, he avoids specifics on how these sentiments are to be put into practice. And the word IS ‘avoid’, NOT ‘overlook’.

      • aesthete

        is that he is in opposition to both libertarians and orthodox conservatives, I think that it is reasonable to infer from his statements that one of the areas where he differs from those two is in the welfare state — otherwise, his statement does not logically follow from his original statement of opposition to the above.

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel
  • ihateliberals

    Not a single one of the remaining candidates have any real concept of what conservatism is. The definitions have been bastardized through Liberalization with the move of the Republican party to the middle and Left. The GOP has decided that Conservatives are not welcome inhte Party and through this primary have done everything they can to prevent conservatives from succeeding. The GOP demonized the Tea party movement and they themselves are the ones that attached the Racial card to them. This actually isn’t a new thing what is new is the tactics and the brazen way the GOP has gone about it. They actually make no bones about what they are doing and who they want as the candidate.

    This goes back to the Reagan days when the GOP wanted GHW Bush but because the people chose Reagan they were at a lost. They more or less forced Regan to pick bush as his VP then. in 1984 Reagan was convinced to keep Bush. the GOP felt certain that Bush would be the shoe-in when Reagan left office and he was. By the time the son Bush came along the Party made Micheal Steele the Chairman of theRNC and the move to the left accelerated. Conservatives were basically told to beat it. Steele even attacked Rush Limbaugh the most conservative voice on the Radio. Then of course they got McCain to run in 2008 and not they have another failure Romney or for that matter anyone of the lst candidates. What hs happened while we were asleep is that Progressives have infiltrated the Republican Party.

    After the NH primary and the obivious choice of the Party being Romney i chose the end my 42 year association withthe Republicanb Party. I now am an Independent Conservative. I wil no long belong to or support the Republican Party. I predict that after the election there wil be a third party come into existence that will attract conservatives from both Parties. The Democrats and the Republicans wil evolve into different levels or brands of liberals. There wil be some conservatives that try to stay with the Republicans but over time just lke when the Republican Party was first formed but in this case over time the Republicans the GOP will fade away.

    • carolynr

      along with the MSM and I am with you all the way. The reason that I still stay registered as a Republican is for one reason…in the primaries in our state…we have to weed out the liars…or sooner or later they wind up in Congress. That is why I stay there. I refuse to give them any money. They are rude when you call Washington DC.

      Case in point…Remember the “doctor fix” that was formulated out of the cost estimate for that GD Obamacare. Well, now doctors…all opting not to take Medicare…and why…because the Obama administration screwed them over also. What do I do. I can’t even buy private insurance…because after that dumb law goes into effect…I must comply with the government. CAN YOU SAY…WELCOME TO COMMUNISM!!!

      Oh…and as an aside…had I ever known that Obama was going to trash SS or let it go broke..like Romney will. I would have put away far more than I have. What will I say to my kids….NEVER DEPEND ON THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT…NEVER. All they had to do was tell us the truth…we would have saved…but they lied and stole our contributions…and now…each time the debt ceiling comes up…who do they threaten…Seniors and the Military.

  • celador2

    If Rick Santorum does what he says he will do and brings back a thriving robust manufacturing economy, GREAT!

    I don’ t care about the other stuff nearly as much. Myabe we can convince him to change his mind on big government solutions.

    A strong trade credit ,a manufcturing base that grows weath, innovation and eliminates waste, hey, those are worthy issues for which to aspire.

  • carolynr

    This bs about bringing manufacturing back to the USA cannot be done. We cannot compete. We are too expensive. Why…the bloated union pensions and perks. How are you going to compete with a company in China that pays its workers $3 a day?

    I know…we will give them tax cuts. OK…fine…but who takes up the slack? We do. Call it subsidizing…or whatever..it will not work. The USA should be leading in technology now…and why aren’t they..because our educational system sucks. They are too busy teaching gender neutral studies rather than the three r’s.

  • loneranger2012

    That’s very funny to me! Santorum is a Big Government Liberal! Right! and Romney is a small Government Republican?

    Romney passed Heathcare Reform in Mass that looks just like Obama’s!

    And Romney is a Conservative! So why not have Romney Bail out Manufacturing. Like Obama did in GM!

    This whole report is a JOKE!

    GO RICK GO!

    • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

      Or, at least, of arguing points that haven’t been made against, well, nobody. If you have an issue with something in the post itself, be specific and I’ll be happy to respond.

  • http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/ texasproud

    I don’t love my choices, and that is actually ok. I can, for the most part, live with any of them, and i will still vote for the R no matter what. Saying that, I have written off Perry & Gingrich after this Bain issue. While there is PLENTY of things to go after Romney for, venture capitalism (or vulture capitalism as my governor has decided to say) is not one of them. Go after Romneycare, or his wife’s donation to Planned Parenthood in the 90s, but this attack looks petty. Huntsman has been a major disappointment to me because he has allowed himself to become one giant cliche, when I actually think there is potential there. Ron Paul has an excellent domestic policy, but his foreign policy is a non-starter. I do like the authenticity he presents, and core convictions even if I don’t share most of them. Santorum is a disaster on a bigger scale than most realize. Obama cleaned up with younger (under 40) voters last time, and if Santorum is the nominee, you can expect that again. He is the one candidate universally panned at all conservative young professional organizations I am a part of. As some of this demographic, I see the potential of longterm damage to the party because we will be establishing a trend for people in their 20s and 30s voting D on the Presidential level. His culture warrior persona is a problem-not that people my age aren’t conservative, but it isn’t a priority when we are the ones taking the brunt of the economic failure and the future debt load for entitlement programs that won’t exist by the time we become elgible. I wish Cain would have survived the vetting or Mitch Daniels would have run, but it wasn’t meant to be. I would just encourage people to think long term of the potential demographic challenges. Ron Paul does have a strong pull in the young professional demographic, so don’t just kick him to curb, because his supporters are needed to win in the fall. The only thing I am concerned about is winning in November. Romney might not be right on all things, but it’s ludicrous to claim he’s obama-lite. There is a world of difference between our most moderate republicans and the most moderate democrats. Throwing around terms like RINO sounds good at the local GOP club, but it isn’t helpful.

  • http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/ texasproud

    I don’t love my choices, and that is actually ok. I can, for the most part, live with any of them, and i will still vote for the R no matter what. Saying that, I have written off Perry & Gingrich after this Bain issue. While there is PLENTY of things to go after Romney for, venture capitalism (or vulture capitalism as my governor has decided to say) is not one of them. Go after Romneycare, or his wife’s donation to Planned Parenthood in the 90s, but this attack looks petty. Huntsman has been a major disappointment to me because he has allowed himself to become one giant cliche, when I actually think there is potential there. Ron Paul has an excellent domestic policy, but his foreign policy is a non-starter. I do like the authenticity he presents, and core convictions even if I don’t share most of them. Santorum is a disaster on a bigger scale than most realize. Obama cleaned up with younger (under 40) voters last time, and if Santorum is the nominee, you can expect that again. He is the one candidate universally panned at all conservative young professional organizations I am a part of. As some of this demographic, I see the potential of longterm damage to the party because we will be establishing a trend for people in their 20s and 30s voting D on the Presidential level. His culture warrior persona is a problem-not that people my age aren’t conservative, but it isn’t a priority when we are the ones taking the brunt of the economic failure and the future debt load for entitlement programs that won’t exist by the time we become elgible. I wish Cain would have survived the vetting or Mitch Daniels would have run, but it wasn’t meant to be. I would just encourage people to think long term of the potential demographic challenges. Ron Paul does have a strong pull in the young professional demographic, so don’t just kick him to curb, because his supporters are needed to win in the fall. The only thing I am concerned about is winning in November. Romney might not be right on all things, but it’s ludicrous to claim he’s obama-lite. There is a world of difference between our most moderate republicans and the most moderate democrats. Throwing around terms like RINO sounds good at the local GOP club, but it isn’t helpful.

    • johninohio

      I don’t like him on the drug issue, illegal immigration or his isolationism. However, I might persuade myself to support him in the hopes that the reality of being president and having access to advisors and a lot more information, he might reverse his stance on those latter issues.

      Here we go again. Choosing the lesser of the evils.

  • ConstitutionMan

    Why would any constitutional conservative and e s p e c i a l l y Christians have anything to do with LBJ-style federal “welfare” programs?

    They’re patently unconstitutional.
    They give any glory for any program successes to GOVERNMENT instead of Christ, which modern-day federal government, btw, is often an ENEMY of Christ.
    They’re nothing but redistribution scams that hurt giver and recipient and are anything BUT a free-will offering such as Christ admonished.

    A Christian should hope that any benevolences he/she does for the love of God, would give glory to Jesus Christ – to whom all glory is due. But even non-believing constitutionalists and conservatives can rightly say that compassion is IN the Constitution – in its warp and woof! Or AT THE VERY LEAST, we can say that state and/or local governments, charitible organizations, etc., are better choices to administer poor relief. Get a clue, brothers and sisters in Christ!

  • mm2327

    He is NOT a big government conservative, and Rush Limbaugh, who hasn’t endorsed anyone, went to bat and disproved these Romney/Paul tag team smears against Santorum because they have nothing else to accuse him of, and Eric Erickson has been trying to slander Santorum in the worst way, in order to promote his candidate. To take statements and sentences out of context and to even play around with what actually was said is the height of dishonesty and arrogance. These moronic tactics have caused many of us to realize redstate.com is less interested in constitutional, conservative government, and more interested in cronyism

    Rick Santorum has consistently been in favor of entitlement reform, and if anyone here would take the time to read his campaign platform on his website, they’d see a clearly laid out, detailed plan to cut the fat, reform entitlement programs, as well as cutting taxes across the board. Including a plan that eliminates manufacturing taxes, no more manufacturing taxes. Cuts corporate taxes in half, reduces income taxes to Reagan era levels.

  • Don T.

    Great, there are no good choices for the GOP nomination. I like Perry but he is not doing it with an incompetent campaign, Gingrich is always just a temper tantrum away from losing it, and then you have Romney, the establishment guy who’s turn it is, right? And he was just a pro-choice moderate, 6 or 7 years ago? I hate to break it to everyone, but we are fresh out of alternatives. I for one think that, if you don’t yet want to settle for Mitt, then go with Santorum. I am not comfortable saying that I support Newt to lead the GOP against Obama. Newt has been vindictive and inconsistent with his PAC’s attacks on Bain. Mitt is Mitt, squishy RINO who is on three sides of every issue, and yes, we likely will have to settle for him. But at least with Santorum, we have a chance to nominate a man who has been a faithful husband, who seems pretty conservative, who is a moral person with a sense of right, and who would not make me ashamed that I support him. I heard him speak in SC, and I saw him with voters, and he seems genuine, warm, and sincere. I do not get that feeling after having seen Newt in SC. And I do not fancy having to explain constantly why Newt has become the focus of the election. With Santorum, we have a chance of the election actually being about Obama, what the focus should be.