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Shut Up. (Please).

Sometimes mass murder is just mass murder - and that's horrible enough.

That’s the three-word message I have for the folks who are using last night’s massacre at an Aurora, Colorado cineplex as an excuse to fuel their hatred of political opponents, to push pet issues like gun control, or simply to babble stupidly.

This message is applicable to random unhinged tweeters who are calling for the arrest of Rush Limbaugh. It is applicable to those currently declaring  folks who warn against drawing political conclusions to be the real political opportunists. It is applicable to the nutjobs on DemocraticUnderground and elsewhere who are scouring the web for James Holmeses with some connection to the NRA, the GOP, the military, and the Tea Party. It is equally applicable to any on the right using this incident to paint the left with a murderous brush.

It is especially applicable to politicians like Michael Bloomberg, who immediately called for more limits on self-defense rights, and to “objective journalists” like Brian Ross, who apparently Googled “Jim Holmes Aurora Tea Party” (or did some similar scientific, professional-reporter-y trick) in order to find a righty to speculatively connect to this incident on national network television.

Right now, we don’t know motive, political leanings, or any other affiliation of the shooter. We don’t know if he acted alone (though to this point all signs point to yes).

We do know that the alleged shooter is a 24 year old named James Holmes, and that he’s in police custody. We know that he murdered at least 12 people this morning, including a 6 year old. (Thankfully, the 3 month old in attendance is all right. As an aside, what the hell were a 6 year old and 3 month old doing in a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises?).

We’ll know more in time. Until then, do all of us – including yourself – a favor, and Shut Up. (Please).

COMMENTS

  • izoneguy

    “James Holmes Occupy Wall Street”???

    • jaykali

      Very predictable. The usual suspects:

      1. Sarah Palin’s website
      2. Tea Party members
      3. Conservatives in general
      4. Rush Limbaugh’s ‘hate’ filled speech (Hey, wasn’t Rush talking ab Batman the other day?!?)
      5. Anyone in opposition to Obama
      6. Gun laws

      My prediction is that the winner will be gun laws and Rush Limbaugh since he mentioned Batman/Bain conspiracy theories the other day and that will be seen as ‘fueling’ some mad man to go shoot people.

      • Lisa Bullock-Hock

        They tried to link to the tea party first, now its to conservatives in general. Wouldn’t it be funny if we found out he was Occupy Wall Street or another lefty???I bet the media would try and bury that as fast as they could.

    • wilgolden

      I did.

      “james holmes occupy wall street”

      About 1,340,000 results

      Very First(!) Article:

      “Occupy Wall Street Names Colorado Massacre Shooter James Holmes as Occupy Black Bloc Member “

      • teaforme2012

        I think Black Bloc was the insurgent group that attempted to disrupt OWS by acting up within the crowd. Anyway, these guys are always ALWAYS nut bags who are too unstable to act politically.

    • deathray

      http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2012/07/21/what-would-batman-do/

  • commonsenseobserver

    • commonsenseobserver

      All, not just the “contrast” ones.

    • porkandcheese

      The flags were not placed at half mast till the next day after Fort Hood. But this time, Obama has already headed to CA for some fundraising.

  • timchgo9

    I have been trying to find more news coverage of what happened last night. It is a horrible tragedy, committed by someone who’s motive, for now, is unknown.

    The spin from the media is disgusting. As soon as I heard about it this morning, I mentally noted the time, and and thought “I wonder how long it will be before some stupid network news person came up with the slimmest possible insinuation that the shooter was somehow a right-winger.

    To Brian Ross: I googled your name, do you want to know what I came up with for “you”? What if I told your family/employer about what I found about about “you”??? Of course, I wouldn’t do that, because not only do I have class, I also don’t jump to wild conclusions.

    ABC “News” is simply despicable.

    • littlehouse18

      for a gazillion dollars for slander.

      • throwback59

        .

      • smagar

        Let’s see what he says under oath, and penalty of perjury.

        It will be a good lesson to the MSM, a useful shot across the bow.

        If Brian Ross asks, “Wait, how come I’m not getting the benefit of the doubt here,” there are plenty of Tucson Tea Party members willing to tell him, and his industry, why.

      • jh1111

        the guy on ABC simply typed in the gunman’s name to Google and then the ABC guy read the result from Google.

        big deal.

  • commonsenseobserver

    We are reminded of the value and fragility of human life and liberty.

    We need to continue believing in America as we pray for our countrymen who were hurt by the tragic violence.

  • Tbone

    Look at Bloomberg. The man is pure unadulterated, anti-American, elitist evil. The MSM is pure anti-American evil. The Left hates as easily as they breathe.

    The majority of anti-gun campaigners are rejoicing in this event AS THEY ALWAYS DO.

    • tnfriendofcoal101368

      They mentioned the shooter had “Tea Party” connections.

      • jaykali

        If I were that guy I would be looking for a lawyer bc he just won the slander lottery.

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        Editor’s Note: An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. ABC News and Brian Ross apologize for the mistake, and for disseminating that information before it was properly vetted.

        http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/aurora-dark-knight-shooting-suspect-identified-james-holmes/story?id=16818889

        I’m surprised they didn’t go ahead and call the shooter a “white Hispanic” or go for the racist connection.

        • tnfriendofcoal101368

          I bet Disney’s in house counsel is puking his guts out right now.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            I can understand ABC’s mistake given that nobody there or anyone else in the SCUM is familiar with proper vetting. You kinda have to be able to know how to do something in order to actually do it.

          • stillmisstpaw

            … which actually kind of fits, when you realize that ABC News is the ultimate Mickey Mouse operation. (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

        • tnfriendofcoal101368

          The Newt Gingrich open marriage thing with his ex-wife?

        • avagreen

          …looks like some people are finally waking up to the unethical lying nature of the lame stream media.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            As a general rule, I don’t read any of the SCUM websites, but my husband checks in at MSNBC’s site almost every day. He says the majority of comments usually lean right and many are downright conservative. Go figure.

      • gekster

        I was reading the comments to a Brietbart story I linked to from Drudge, and the James Homes from the tea Party is 52 years old,
        and posted this comment.

        from:
        http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/20/Exclusive-Dark-Knight-Shooting-Suspect-James-Holmes-Registered-Democrat

        Jim Holmes

        Yeah, except that the information is WRONG..

        I’m the James Holmes that lives in Aurora that also has an address in La Plata county.

        I’m 52 and not the same person, although we share the same name.

        Village idiots …

        The web page that ABC news saw to link the shooter to the Tea Party:
        http://denverteaparty.ning.com/profile/JimHolmes

        • emptybucket

          so apt it made me laugh and today is definitely not one of those days we will find much to laugh over or have fun with. Just headr Romney, at last he looks Presidenjtial to me… was honestly, openingly sincere about today’s terror in Colorado.

    • texasref

      This would be on the liberal-conservative / statist-libertarian foursquare.

      My God, they arrest you in New York for checking your gun at the ticket counter! Imagine what they’d do if you took it through security!

      I’ll visit New York when they come to their senses.

  • mdavt

    Wouldn’t it have been swell if the 70-year-old guy from the Internet cafe in Florida who thwarted the holdup because he had his concealed carry weapon with him had been in that theater, perhaps will a couple of his armed friends ?

    • macbookben

      …if ABC news shows the tape for “balance” during the evening broadcast tonight?

    • renl57

      According to reports, this Holmes guy put on a gas mask, threw some kind of smoke or gas grenade to cover his assault, and then opened fire with his arsenal of shotgun, assault rifle and two handguns.

      http://is.gd/xE8Nfc

      A lone amateur with just a handgun without a gas mask would have been at a disadvantage.

      • drucifer667

        the victim without a handgun? Is having a gun more disadvantageous than being unarmed? Or are you just foolish?

        • renl57

          …I would put away my gun, duck, and run like hell.

          The better part of valor.

          I would much rather be a live coward than a dead hero.

        • texasref

          nt

      • Tbone

        “A lone amateur with just a handgun without a gas mask would have been at a disadvantage.”

        It would appear that there was a theater full of people without handguns at a PROVEN disadvantage.

      • From ME to You

        Everyone in the theater would probably have reflexively ducked down below the seats for protection leaving the shooter as the only person standing up.

        Also the muzzle flashes would have ‘marked the target’!

        If you try and argue that even if you hit him he was wearing ‘bullet proof’ vest…well ask anyone who has been wearing one of those and gotten shot what that felt like!

        • renl57

          …was running in panic.

          This is not a theater full of professional cops or military men.

          This is a theater full of scared soccer moms with their young children.

          And you’re going to have to take a chance on getting a shot off in the middle of all that chaos–and hope that you hit the shooter on the first try.

          Otherwise, he’ll return fire and you’ll be dead.

          Best advice in such situations: RUN LIKE HELL.

          • gretchenstreetman

            The place was reportedly filled with tear gas and the a**hole shooter was wearing Kevlar. As much as I wish to all that is holy that someone could have picked this guy off, shooting at someone who was well protected in a dark, extremely loud, tear gas-filled theater seems unlikely. Ugh.

          • From ME to You

            is like getting hit with a baseball bat, you’re still alive but you’ll hurt for a long while.

            I DO NOT want to test the veracity of that statement!

          • Dave_A

            If you’re going to get real body armor (not just a fake airsoft vest – which would be my guess) in order to go on a shooting rampage, you’re probably going to go for a military-type vest with plates (a stolen IBA or IOTV (issue gear) would work perfectly)…

            Nothing anyone will be concealed-carrying in a theater will go through SAPI plates – the ‘test-spec’ for that armor is a 30-06 AP (black-tip) rifle round (think M1 Garand)…. Most pistol rounds wouldn’t even produce the ‘baseball bat’ effect against that sort of hard-plate armor either. Among service rounds, the bigger the round (*cough* .45 *cough*), the less effective it will be…

            Add in CS gas & panicked innocents, and you’re not going to get a clear shot, let alone be in any condition to take it due to the gas…

            Of course, I’ll still be carrying in the theater this weekend – just like anywhere else…

            I’m still willing to bet the ‘body armor’ is really just a toy ‘combat vest’ that airsoft-kiddies wear because it makes them look like a ‘real Soldier’… Real body armor – even the ‘hotter than black leather seats in death-valley’ kind – is really, really expensive…. Then again, we did have that guy up here in WA who killed his family & then stood off the cops in a bunker he built….

          • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

            penetrate a kevlar vest. 10mm will barely slow down, 357 mag would be like butter.

            Dave A is right about “real” body armor, but it’s not only expensive as hell, it’s hard to get unless you’re really well connected and I doubt this guy comes anywhere near that. People who have that kind of armament don’t tend to hang around with looney tunes like him.

    • earlgrey

      senior citizen heros can be there to protect us. Sad we dont’ have more cojones in the younger generations.

      • http://www.tinfoilhelicopter.com lunaticrex

        Yesterday, when reading first reports of the attack. A witness was quoted saying (I paraphrase) ‘There was just BOOM, BOOM, and then he would reload…’ It immediately occurred to me that we have become a nation of cowards. With many unarmed civilians in harm’s way, I’d like to think I might have tried to take him down while he was reloading. I think there might be some inaccuracy in that comment, because I cannot imagine people watching the guy reload, waiting for their turn to get killed.

        My thinking on whether law-abiding concealed carry might have helped is that since we don’t know particulars (how murky it was, what kind of substance was used (CS gas is not merely ‘unpleasant’; it’s painful), spatial relation of shooter to audience. It must be considered that Holmes had no friendlies in the room. Everything was a target. Exactly the opposite would have applied to an armed would-be hero.

        Condolences to the families for their losses.

        • porkandcheese

          Just not this theater. The owners asked everyone to leave their guns at home, and only the mass murderer ignored them. Go figure.

          Many people thought this was “part of the show.” They either thought it was a publicity stunt with blanks or the special effects were hyper-real.

  • jpmhofct

    THE PESIDENT’S “chicago thugs” HAVE A HISTORY OF DEMONIZING OPPONENTS. THEY USED DIVORCE RECORDS TO DRIVE THEM OUT OF CMPAIGNS. THEY DON’T CARE WHAT IS IN THE TAX RECORDS THEY JUST WANT TO USE THE INFORMATION TO RAISE THE “envy” QUOTIENT OF THE BASE. ALINSKY TACTICS-
    ATTACK THE RICH !
    ADD DISRUPTIVE CONFLICT AT EVERY TURN.
    IGNORE TRUTH
    OVERBURDEN ALL SYSTEMS
    GROW DEPENDANCY ON GOVERNMENT.

    • emptybucket

      She has painful carpel tunnel that has been operated on and still has not helped. Once I told her she was screaming at me in an email and she didn’t know what I meant. Am thinking you might also have hand and/or wrist pain also. She probably doesn’t blog or comment much due to her pain. I was happy to talk with her via email and got used to the all caps.

      Hope that if that is your trouble, it can be fixed so that your pain level decreases.

      Guess today’s tragic event has me thinking about a few folks I haven’t seen in a while. BTW, agree with you, especially the demonizing opponents!

      • Finrod

        It’s better off to type all in lower case than all in upper case; lower case is easier to read. Being a capitalist doesn’t mean using caps lock! (-:

        • From ME to You

          “Being a capitalist doesn?t mean using caps lock! (-:”

          Instant classic!

  • macbookben

    They (meaning ‘responsible’ mainstream media) rushed to judgement back in ’96 when speculation about whether Richard Jewell actually arranged for an explosion during the Olympic games. He was later cleared by officials, but never received any credit for actually saving lives, let alone given the opportunity to repair the damage to his reputation. Seems like ever since the OKC bombings and Waco inferno, the media have found it necessary to editorialize on the event, MO, and the 2nd amendment as being the critical mass needed to precipitate these horrible tragedies. They are peddling a stereotype and they know it. Whether it’s George Zimmerman or James Holmes, your friends at ABC, NBC, etc. have a template to follow when stories like these break.

    • checkmate2012

      “reporting”.

      We saw it in FLA with Zimmerman…still yet to be tried but intentionally editing footage is unforgivable.

      Seems like ABC wanted to out do NBC this time in the assinine reporting for ratings.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    will wake up to the absolute lack of actual ‘journalism’ that modern day ‘journalists’ practice in the Main Stream Media?

    • gretchenstreetman

      The vast majority of them are complete and total hacks.

      Brian Ross should undoubtedly be fired for this, and I’ll tell ya, we aren’t the only ones who think this. Libs are pissed @ him right now.

  • codenametimna

    The guy who did this dastardly deed is James E. Holmes of Aurora, Colorado. ABC’s Brian Ross suggested he could be affiliated with the Tea Party?? Talk about irresponsible journalism! Before knowing the facts in the case Brian Ross has the audacity to go on live TV and broadcast to the world a speculative statement that is highly insensitive and incredibly irresponsible.

    There is another James Holmes of Aurora, Colorado (in fact many more James Holmes in that area) and the one affiliated with the Tea Party is in his 50′s and therefore doesn’t meet the description of the killer who is 24 or 25 years old.

    This is a terrible tragedy that, once again, the LEFT is now using in an irresponsible way to try and blame Rush Limbaugh and others on the right for this tragedy.

    Piers Morgan (a Brit no less) is calling for more gun control, as is Michael Bloomberg and other liberals. Just think for a moment if one or more people in that audience were licensed to carry a concealed weapon and were seated in the audience of that theater. It is highly probable there would have only been one person killed in that theater and that would have been the perpetrator who could have been taken out before he unleashed his sinister deed. I agree there needs to be a more thorough process before someone could purchase a gun e.g. a more thorough background check making it tougher for criminals to acquire weapons and more stringent qualifications in order to keep drug users, mental patients and other potential miscreants away from weapons in the first place.

    Responsible citizens have a right to defend themselves from criminals and from people like James Holmes in the Aurora theater. When criminals and other miscreants are the only ones carrying guns you can understand why it is that tragedies like this keep on occurring. Responsible citizens carrying concealed weapons would go a long way in preventing this kind of disaster from happening in the first place. Instead, Democrats want to repeal the Second Amendment and by doing so it would only put weapons in the hands of criminals (who don’t obey the law(s) of the land in the first place), and as a result, America would end up looking like communist Russia, where Putin (Obama) and the government (and the criminals) are the only ones with access to weapons and the citizens of Russia (and/or United States) are continuously repressed and brutalized because they are unable to defend themselves from tyrannical governments and/or other criminals within society.

    • porkandcheese

      … volunteered for Obama in 2008 and was dressed like the Black Bloc of OWS.

    • heavemout

      How many rounds in a clip is too many?!
      If next time a guy comes in with an Assault Rifle loaded with 200 rounds and Kills 150 people will the NRA admit the clips are too big?

      Probably Not! What Jerks!

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        Listen you, if you and your Leader Barry want to use this as your Reichstag fire to attack the Bill of Rights, you can do it elsewhere.

        As for this site, we back the whole Bill of Rights, not just the ones our Commissars have rewritten for us.

    • texasref

      but they respected the private property rights of the theater by disarming in the parking lot. The murders are the fault solely of the gunman, but if the theater hadn’t disarmed lawful citizens, who knows what tragedy could have been averted.

  • Duke

    I just heard that this morning – the company that owns the theater chain has a corporate policy prohibiting firearms on their properties.

    I guess the shooter didn’t get the memo.

    Meanwhile there are quite a number of people in Aurora, CO who are wishing there had been a couple of Vietnam or Iraq vets in the theater with a .45 in their pocket.

    • renl57

      I don’t think so.

      • gflyer3364qt

        At the very least it would distract him, slow him down, put his focus on one person, and give other time to jump him.

      • funwithknives

        and there, in a nutshell, is the pity.

        Playing Second Guesser : If it was ‘common knowledge’ /posted that this operation Allowed concealed carry, open carry, or anything legally similar, would he have been there at all?
        Would he have even tried it?

        Two .45′s in a cross fire , now we’re talkin’………

      • Mr. Sandman

        it only takes one round to take someone out. You’re feeding the mythical stereotype of gun owners who conceal and carry as amateurs who have no idea how to handle their firearm. You also miss the point that, even if your poorly formulated conclusion were true, a .45 at least gives someone a fighting chance as opposed to an open hand. I don’t know what your position on gun control is, but quit spouting one-liners that have no basis in fact and feed the liberal mythology.

        • renl57

          And I’m also definitely someone who knows better than to get into fights in which I’m at a severe disadvantage.

          We’re not discussing stopping a burglar or a mugger or even a convenience store robber.

          If I saw a guy in a gas mask throwing grenades that release some kind of chemical, I wouldn’t even wait for him to start shooting. I would get the hell out of there ASAP.

          For all I know, that stuff could be poison gas. I wouldn’t stick around to find out.

          • texasref

            It’s better to have a useless option than to have no option at all, even if you’re right. Which you’re totally not.

      • Mike Ferguson

        (nt)

      • Don T.

        for an armed citizen. Tear gas, pandemonium and chaos, a well armed bad guy, and panicking folks everywhere. But all in all, if I was there, I would have preferred being armed, than not, and I would like to think I would have tried to stop the guy. It would take quick, brave, and aggressive action, by a poorly or not well trained armed citizen. Could be done, but it would require some luck in being at the right place to get a good shot at the guy.

        • Mr. Sandman

          the comment “poorly or not well trained armed citizen”. While it is true that some gun owners lack proper training, most of us have had formal training in some form; whether it be via the military, police training or certified NRA instructors…it’s insulting to label us as poorly trained. Addtionally, the comment that started this thread alluded to military veterans having a .45 on them, I don’t think we can be classified as “poorly trained” in any sense of the word.

          • Don T.

            So, I was not referring to you or to those who ARE well trained. And good on you for being so, I’m retired Army infantry and consider myself reasonably well trained and practiced myself. I would however say, this sounds like a challenging situation for even a well trained person, much less for the many folks who have a carry license and gun and not much training. Not impossible by any means. I guess my poorly phrased point should have been, just having training and carrying a firearm does not make us all heroes. Now, having said that, I wish there HAD been armed citizens present in that theater. If you or I had been present and armed, I doubt we would have just curled up into a ball and prayed.

          • buma

            Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Widely attributed to Franklin on the Internet, sometimes without the second sentence. It is not found in any of his known writings, and the word “lunch” is not known to have appeared anywhere in English literature until the 1820s, decades after his death. The phrasing itself has a very modern tone and the second sentence especially might not even be as old as the internet. Some of these observations are made in response to a query at Google Answers.[8]
            The earliest known similar statements are: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Gary Strand, Usenet group sci.environment, 23 April 1990. [9]

            Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote. Marvin Simkin, “Individual Rights”, Los Angeles Times, 12 January 1992:[10]

            Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. James Bovard, Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty (1994), ISBN 0312123337, p. 333
            Also cited as by Bovard in the Sacramento Bee (1994)

      • gflyer3364qt

        Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but I will say this. At 20 yards (60) feet, that’s bigger that the average movie theater. I can put a steady group in the head of my silhouette target. The gut reaction when something like this happens is to run. That just makes you more of a target. People run away and no one tries to neutralize the shooter. If God forbid something like this ever happens, the thing to do is get down and take cover if possible and make the shooter come close enough and have the biggest guys possible jump him from at least two direction. The first people these whackjobs shoot are the people that run away in wide open direction. If there is no cover, everyone in the room shoud storm the shooter. Most of these shooting involve semi-automatic weapons. He can’t shoot everyone at once. Pleading with these types won’t work, as they feed on the fear. As your mother tells you, the least you can do is try.

        • civil truth

          renl57 has clearly thought out his. You appear to have different thoughts. Let each be true to their self-assessments.

          But it sure does sound like a defender in this situation would have had a significant change of hitting another patron rather than the shooter in such a chaotic situation. It would take a lot of confidence and a very cool head to act wisely and not compound the problem.

        • aesthete

          and the first reaction by moviegoers might have been that this was an elaborate special effect/promotion on the part of the theater on opening day. Not exactly a trip to the range. I wouldn’t fault an armed citizen for hightailing it out of there, or at least for thinking that they might be making a bad and confusing situation worse by firing in a crowded and dark theater.

      • wintermute

        shotguns and rifles dont stop bullets, its not a video game. and id give a kidney to have a .45 in that situation OVER MY BARE HANDS.

        jeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

        over a rifle or a shotgun every day.

        Neither of those are mobile and in a confused crowd situation mobility is king.

        Aside from that, you’re real choice is a CC handgun vs a bag of popcorn.

    • Mike Ferguson

      I refuse to believe that it is a random thing. The place the Fort Hood shooter chose was gun free, if it hadn’t been for that one cop that just happened to be there it would have been a lot worse. Collage campuses, schools, and posted gun free zones are the areas these cowards CHOOSE, because they know no one will shoot back at them.

    • Finrod

      For all the good it did there as well.

    • oldmom2

      active duty servicemen in the theater who are among the wounded. 2 Air Force, 2 Navy.

      It does not state if any were armed.

      http://www.aurorasentinel.com/news/four-military-personnel-hurt-in-shooting/

  • chbroussard

    blame the Gabby Giffords shooting on Sarah Palin…But, blame the Fort Hood shooting on a Muslim extremeist???……don’t even think abouit it. The media makes me sick.

  • gflyer3364qt

    Yeah, it’s every Tea Party member’s dream to go out at midnight and shoot up a theater during the Batman premier. We go through this every time.

  • Don T.

    A tragedy is when a trailer park gets destroyed by a tornado.

    This was an outrageous atrocity and act of evil. So, let’s stop calling this mass murder a “tragedy.” Use “atrocity.”

    • gretchenstreetman

      nt.

  • septembergurl

    Even by the standards of journalism, Stephanopolous and Ross behaved so irresponsibly that they should both be fired. Simply throwing a name and an association out there without any verification (I found the 52-yr old using google.) violates the most basic rules of reporting.

    But this is not a mistake or a lapse in judgment. Rather, it illustrates the fact that the media is incapable of reporting on, describing, or even recognizing left-wing violence. It has been so since the 1960s. The radical left wing violence of the OWS movement was never treated seriously by the media. The media’s obsession with the alleged violent tendencies of the Tea Party gets a workout every single time.

    In this event we learn (thanks to breitbart) that the killer is a registered Democrap and a former medical student. In other words, A Ted Kascynski type. ( The media never reported accurately on his radical leftism, rooted as it was in Gore’s environmentalism.) Doubtless we’ll be reading this clown’s manifesto soon.

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      makes it very clear that they have not confirmed the shooter is the same James Holmes who is the registered Democrat in CA. Even the headline says he “could” be a registered Democrat. Please do not attribute Breitbart as reporting something that is not yet confirmed as fact.

      Breitbart News has not confirmed that this James Holmes is in fact the suspect, but the details above appear to match closely. There are certainly more facts in our documents than in ABC News’ irresponsible speculations.

      BreitbartAarticle

      • septembergurl

        and the reporter stated that they had confirmed via a SS # that Fox also had. That there were a large number of matching details.

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          James Holmes, the suspect arrested in connection with the mass shootings at a screening of the new Batman movie early this morning in Aurora, CO, could be a registered Democrat, according to documents obtained by Breitbart News.

          (emphasis mine)

          It may very well turn out the shooter is the same James Holmes, but the reporter is very clear in stating they have NOT confirmed, notwithstanding the matching details. Don’t put words in his mouth. We get enough of that from the left.

  • Don T.

    I commend the author for this diary.

    • lineholder

      Too many times tragedies of this sort get used for political reasons, which is completely and utterly despicable, regardless of who it comes from, when the loss of human life is concerned.

      If the left chooses to engage in that kind of activity, then I suggest we let them do it and keep our mouths shut.

      Let them reveal just how manipulative they truly are, but do NOT follow their lead or be provoked into doing the same.

    • 1bulwetweft

      The person who commited this atrocity was driven by pure evil and nothing else, and this evil must be opposed (by all) regardless of the costume, disguise, or idealogy it hides behind.

      My prayers are with the victims and their families – Lord, please comfort them all as only You can.

  • gflyer3364qt

  • westcoastpatriette

    He even quoted the apostle Paul. It was very comforting and he seemed very sincere.

    • westcoastpatriette

      oopsie

    • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

      He was off the teleprompter and stumbled through it painfully. He doesn’t know how to speak if it’s not a campaign speech lambasting his enemies. And the louts in the audience cheered inappropriately several times throughout the speech, desperate for a raucous campaign event.

      • avagreen

        and how many were bussed in to make an audience. The sounds from his audiences sound alike as if they are the same people with the same cultural norms for response.

        Maybe he brings his audience with him now that his numbers in getting out an audience are falling?

      • westcoastpatriette

        especially since the veil of sincerity has been removed and we see how phony, self-serving and manipulative his speeches are.

      • Xasteius

        It’s more revealing of his inner thoughts.

      • littlehouse18

        It seemed like that audience was just pumped up to cheer and some couldn’t restrain themselves appropriately. They’re just that wild about him. I thought the speech was ok except when he brought his family into it. Looking forward to hearing Mitt’s speech.

      • porkandcheese

        NT

  • kipling

    We saw this at Virginia Tech and numerous other places.

    The solution is not more gun control but to have an informed and armed citizenry that can protect itself and others.

    • avgjo

      A decent, courageous, self-controlled and armed citizenry will bring peace, law and order to the most savage of places. Guns don’t kill innocent people, evil kills innocent people.

      • Next93

        I’ve been saying for years that the problem with aviation security isn’t our ability to keep people from bringing weapons onto the plane, it’s the lack of weapons on the plane. I think we should have a program that allows frequent travelers to be certified as “auxilliary air marshals” and carry weapons onto the aircraft as long as they’ve gone through a background check (at least as extensive as getting a Top Secret clearance) and gone through a training program.

        It gets a lot harder to takeover a plane with a knife or even with a gun if you have no idea who is or isn’t packing heat. IT would be a much better deterrent and much cheaper than patting down everyone who boards.

        • avgjo

          military traveling through and reservists, in the right MOS, and background checks as you mentioned, couldn’t be put on this quickly. After that, let good civilians with the right backgrounds volunteer to be designated as you mentioned.

          I know the leftists and even many on our side would howl at the prospect. I never understood what was so hard to understand about ‘outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns’.

          • Dave_A

            There is one major difference between ‘a plane’ and *anything else’ – there is NO access to a plane in-flight from the outside…

            This means that if hijackers manage to get weapons on-board a plane, there’s nothing we can do about it (in this post-9/11 era where a hijacked plane is a potential improvised cruise missile), other than shoot the plane down.

            Ignoring the lib arguments from idiots who watched ‘Goldfinger’ and think a pistol being fired in a plane will cause it to crash….

            The fact is, not enough ‘ordinary citizens’ carry, to present a reasonable deterrent, and there is no chance of any armed person NOT on the plane being able to intervene (short of a fighter pilot shooting the whole thing down).

            If you allow broad categories of people to carry on a plane, you simply ensure that every terrorists will ‘adapt’ by making sure they have guns too…

            So you’ll go from ‘weapons parity’ with fists & improvised devices (which has worked in our favor for Flight 93 and every attempted airline attack since, now that people are aware that ‘Play nice & wait for SWAT to save you’ doesn’t apply anymore), to a ‘best-possible-case’ of ‘weapons parity with firearms’ & whatever else can be brought through the new, less-stringent security… And a more likely case of armed terrorists & unarmed passengers….

            Resulting in no improvement in security, and a very likely loss of it.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            The flaw in your thinking is that you think gun laws stop criminals from having guns.

            You’re as wrong as every other gun grabber. Ask all the people in Britain who get killed by guns which are banned.

          • Dave_A

            ‘Not even a nail-file on a plane’ seems to have worked so far…

            There are plenty of places we presently don’t allow concealed weapons, but commercial aircraft aren’t one of them.

            My position on this is based on ‘the numbers’ – namely the number of people that have carry-permits and regularly (eg, every day and everywhere they’re allowed to) exercise their right to bear arms…

            This sort of stat isn’t an issue in an ‘open environment’ (which is pretty much every environment except (A) prison, and (B) an airplane in flight), because the ability of people to come and go allows for a ‘herd immunity’ effect…

            The environment of an airliner in flight (closed aluminum-fiberglass tube, no way on/off, close quarters, no cover of any kind) means that you are looking at roulette-odds of an ‘armed citizen’ even being on the plane, let alone (a) having the skills to intervene, and (b) recognizing the need to do so before the bad guys take over the plane. This makes the ‘clean room’ approach logical.

            Now, I’m *for* arming pilots… And I don’t have a problem with the air marshal program or even a very limited list of specially-trained LEOs being able to carry while flying.

            I do NOT want the security system ‘opened up’ to the point where anyone can bring weapons of any kind (Yes, I support the ‘check your Gerber-tool’ rule) on a plane (or where the credentials are easy enough to forge that AQ could obtain a fake ‘permit’ and walk on).

            If we relax security, we are trading the possibility that a good guy MIGHT have a gun on a plane, for the CERTAINTY that the next hijackers WILL.

          • Dave_A

            ‘There are plenty of places we presently don’t allow concealed weapons but SHOULD – however commercial aircraft aren’t one of them.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            They didn’t allow guns before 9/11 too.

            So it’s flatly false that “it works.”

          • PowerToThePeople

            relying on another person, cop or not, for my own safety.

            All the security in the world will not stop all the criminals from accomplishing their goals even if that goal is getting a gun onto an airplane.

          • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

            NOT for anything TSA does. It works because the perps know that the plane will never reach it’s target, the passengers will take down the bad guys and if the plane does manage to land, the bad guys won’t be picked up by the cops. They’ll be picked up by the Coroner.

          • acat

            Perhaps you are too young to recall, but .. there was a rash of hijacking in the ’70s, all taking the plane from one place to another, and Americans were told “just go along” and we, as a culture, accepted it.

            9/11 proved the fallacy in “just go along”… so what’s changed isn’t “weapons parity”, but attitude toward the hijackers.

            I will remind you of this post over here where I linked this article… the TSA screenings aren’t nearly good enough, and serve mostly to make us all unarmed sheep.

            An Air Force colonel friend-of-a-friend made a comment at a lunch – “There should be a billy club under every seat, just like there’s a life vest, and the stewardesses should point them out.” Even a terrorist with a firearm on a plane can’t watch 360 degrees…

            Mew

          • Tbone

            can possibly believe that in the current format that they do more good than harm.

            I DO NOT NEED TO BE SCREENED nor do 99.9% of the other passengers. Give us a method to receive an exemption and start screening those people who fit the profile of 99.9% of the hijackers/terrorists/suicide bombers.

          • aesthete

            There are trained chimpanzees who can do the job of TSA better than the current McDonalds rejects running the show. Feeling up grandma is stupid, time-wasting, liberty-intruding security theatre that has not done a single person a lick of good.

            Wanna save an easy $8.1 billion on government costs? Shut down the TSA.

          • Dave_A

            But there’s an easy fix:

            Disband the TSA and give the contract to whatever firm the DoD hires to pull gate-guard in that region.

            EG, SEATAC and PDX would get ‘DPS Security’ (the folks who pull gate-guard for Lewis-McChord).

            You’d get competant, professional armed-security guards, rather than the idiotic public-union retards (who wouldn’t last a week working for Wakenhut in a Target) we have now…

            The ‘find rate’ would go up to acceptable levels, complaints would go down (apart from the ignorant idiots who think white skin & a cross around your neck should be a free pass through security) – everything would improve….

          • Dave_A

            Because you might be a radical Muslim… You also might be married to one, have one for a caretaker, or otherwise be close enough to one to make you an unwitting participant in an attack.

            And there’s no way to know, because we can’t read your mind.

            Al Queda recruits American citizens, without regard to race/ethnicity…

            Radical Muslim terror organizations – including Queda – have used hostage-taking as a method to compel ‘innocents’ to carry out attacks (Even suicide attacks)

            Past terror attacks have been committed by unwitting associates (one guy used his fiance to deliver his bomb, & blew her up along with everyone else on the plane)…

            Even ‘grandma’ is a possible attack vector – either because her caretaker is the terrorist, or because she is (yes, old people can be terrorists too – happens overseas)….

            THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ‘NOT FITTING THE PROFILE’ – WE ALL FIT.

            That said, TSA currently employs idiots who wouldn’t last a week guarding a Target – they need to be privatized & the screeners need to be replaced with REAL quality private-security guards – preferably armed security

          • aesthete

            isn’t exactly a cornucopia of diversity. It may be politically incorrect to say that its membership isn’t exactly something that looks at home in the JCPenney fall catalog, but the overwhelming majority of the organization (especially of terrorists doing the deed) are young males with Middle Eastern or North African ancestry. Sure, there’s the odd member who is Caucasian or Oriental, but a depression-era grandmother who’s lived in the South her whole life or a rustic Japanese woman is a very remote, negligible threat.

            It is telling that the TSA cannot claim credit for catching a single terrorist, and that the record of terrorist attacks in the US is not all that different from rates in other countries which do not have an analogue to the TSA procedures which we have implemented. I suppose it’s possible that they are just that humble of an organization, but you know what I think? I think they don’t have any evidence that they’ve stopped terrorists, and they’re hoping no one notices.

          • Dave_A

            They play the same role as security guards anywhere else – to present a deterrent.

            And they HAVE had an obvious effect, as noted by the fact that subsequent attempts have all utilized measures to evade security screenings:

            1) Bomb in a shoe (US reaction: Shoes off & we X-ray them)

            2) Bombs made from beverage components (US Reaction: carry-on Liquid/Gel/Food Rules)

            3) Bomb in underwear (US reaction: Body Scanners)

            4) Bombs sent by UPS

            Each time, we adapt our security measures to cover the ‘hole’ they found – but doing that is far better than ‘If you don’t look like Osama, free pass’ idiocy.

            Open that hole, and they will *exclusively* use exempt persons to attack. There are enough white radical Muslims to make it viable… Especially via Al-Awaki style ‘franchise terror’…

          • aesthete

            represent a failure of the system, not successes. A deterrence/removal system which is that slow, specific, and which casts such a wide net is not a success, it is a failure. An antivirus suite designed on the principle that you infer from our response would bankrupt the company that put it out to market.

            To address the problem with a bit more specificity, the deterrent effect that you note is minimal, because 1) terrorists already have a natural deterrent and impairment of viable strategies given that the average citizen has a heightened awareness of terrorism post-9/11, 2) the TSA is not demonstrably any more alert or effective than the average citizen in *deterring*, 3) responses have been so specific and pick up so many false positives that they’re basically useless and lead to less vigilance as a result, and 4) there are simply an enormously large number of opportunities to adapt intelligently to the procedures in place in the event of small-scale operations, and large-scale operations are by and large not prevented through the “gate-keeper” functions of the TSA.

            If anything, I would say that the presence of the TSA creates a false and unjustified sense of security which terrorists can and do exploit.

            Finally, I would note that no one is arguing, “let’s just grab Mohammed and do nothing else!” That is a strawman position: there are points between no profiling and reliance only on profiling; using a false dichotomy which has not been proposed is poor form in evaluating policy and engaging in constructive debate.

          • aesthete

            The TSA *is* supposed to catch terrorists in the act — that is why the agency was given a variety of tools (including arrest and detaining power) in the 2001 Air Transportation Security Act. The function of TSA security in airports is not merely preventative/deterrence, and its own literature and blogs do not even imply such a belief. It is not unreasonable to look for a track record of success in evaluating an agency which deprives people of their freedoms and which operates at cost to the taxpayer. There is a remarkable dearth of such evidence, which in addition to other circumstantial evidence allows for the strong possibility that the TSA is failing at its job. IMO, whenever the evidence for a government program is ambiguous, the tie should go to voluntary society — there should be a positive burden of proof matching the burden which a program places on the citizenry.

          • Dave_A

            T-bone (of ‘Only people who vote like me should be allowed to vote) fame, is arguing that he shouldn’t have to be screened, based on (presumably) an age/nationality/ethnicity profile.

            You’re supporting him.

            I’m arguing that AT BEST (if we ignore the use of women & the unwitting/coerced terror issue) the profile is ‘male’ unless/until we come up with a ‘Magic Muslim Test’….

            And unless T-bone is female, he thus fits the profile.

            Now, I’ve got my beefs with the TSA as an agency… But not with or because of the screening process….

            Rather, because the TSA’s hiring/training standards are so abysmal that the majority of their employees aren’t qualified to be Paul Blart – much less to wield arrest powers or pro-actively catch a terrorist… And that the folks devising security measures simply aren’t creative enough to outthink the enemy (making our security reactive, not pro-active)….

            Which is why I favor re-privatization of airport security….

            It will never be perfect, but it is better than nothing…. And unlike profiling, it actually can work…

            Of course, I’m more accepting of interior-security measures in society than you are (While I do consider TSA to be the ‘clown-car of security operations’, I don’t consider them to be depriving anyone of any rights as they bungle their way through trying to secure our air travel system)… Difference of beliefs & all…

          • acat

            received a number of awards from the community for hiring ex-cons.

            Mew

          • Dave_A

            My solution, is to use the contractors that currently guard military bases for airport security – with the same hiring and training baseline that it takes to be a gate-guard at a major installation. If there is no military base contract in the region, than use whoever the DoE hires for nuclear plant security.

            The gate-guard contractors are well trained, professional, & not being a felon is mandatory since they are all armed (plus a more stringent background check because of the importance of their job)…

            Expand that program to airports, and you have a winner for ‘better quality security’.

            As a bonus, it would probably cost the same or less as the TSA, due to the fact that private security generally isn’t unionized.

          • avgjo

            I was writing in the context of this realization.

            BTW, love the AF colonel’s suggestion. Word from a former airline employee: your floatation seat can make a decent shield/weapon in a cold weapons (boxcutters, ceramic knives) encounter if nothing else is available, especially used in conjunction with fellow passengers.

          • acat

            I will keep that in mind the next time I have to fly.

            Mew

          • Dave_A

            Something like ‘Do what they tell you, and wait for SWAT doesn’t work anymore’….

          • acat

            is still in error.

            Mew

    • Viet71

      n/t

    • From ME to You

      Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.?

      Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

      An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man is a subject
      Unknown

  • aesthete

    You should be blaming the acts of a lone, mentally-deranged individual on the Tea Party or OWS, as all right-thinking people are doing.

  • JSobieski

    Major news outlets are no more responsible than any random blogger.

    Journalism schools should either apologize to the public, or shut themselves down.

    • Next93

      Given the number of people who get a journalism degree every year so that they can chase a shrinking number of $30,000 a year jobs while carrying a student debt in the neighborhood of $100,000, it won’t be too long before the journalism schools are turning thier classroom space into hourly motels

      Actually, that seems appropriate, given the kind of wh*res they’ve been churning out for the past couple of generations (I hope you’re reading this, George!)

  • xock

    Ah, come on guys . . . in the back of your mind you’re considering the possibility that the guy had some kind of right wing affiliation. After all, this is Aurora, Colorado, less than ten miles from Columbine and fifty miles from Colorado Springs, the place most likely to be raptured. I guess the gun safety education programs and local patriots with carry permits didn’t work out this time.

    Well, there’s always next time (you know that there will be a next time, right?)

    • PGDeFreese

      since you can’t let go of your hate long enough to even catch a glimpse of the real world.

      On the way.

      • acat

        I was going to point out the proximity to Boulder …

        Mew

    • tnfriendofcoal101368

      I’ll let President Reagan tell you…

    • aesthete

      Would not get trolled again

      Now shoo.

    • Bill S

      The scum is thick here.

      Bye.

    • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

      Like pretty much every one of the loonies who does crap like this.

      And, if he’d have tried this in Arizona instead of a gun-free zone in Colorado he likely wouldn’t have gotten off a third shot. Here, we carry and we shoot back.

      Oh, and good riddance.

    • buma

      Is the price we pay for our right to pack heat. Haters like you could be gunned down for posting hateful opinions like that.

  • bobguzzardi

    this is an awful and everyone involved must be sick.

  • littlehouse18

    A psychologist friend came up with that one, but it’s true. Probably the same sort of depraved mind.

  • PowerToThePeople

    as to what side of the political isle this guy may be from, he is just a cowardly piece of **** who gunned down innocent men and women for no obvious reason. The only thing that can be learned from this horrible loss of human life is that each and every person able to carry a gun should have one on them at all times.

    The only constant in all of these shootings, as we have had both leftist, republicans, apolitical, non political, and so on doing the shootings, is that each and every time the victims were unable to defend themselves due to having no equal self defense. Hindsight is always easy, but had a few people in that movie theater had a gun and who were willing to use it, chances are a lot less human life would have been lost and and the shooter would have been meeting Satan right now.

  • Viet71

    The people of the U.S. should study and take lessons from this event.

    What do you do to protect yourself when the firing starts?

    What do you do, if anything, to thwart the shooter?

    Someone — some expert — needs to lead this discussion.

    Failing to take the right lessons from this tragedy will be another tragedy.

    • Don T.

      Right on, Viet71!

  • californiatransplant

    And it’s safe to say that only unhinged people carry out these sorts of atrocities, regardless of political persuasion. And, sadly, incidents like this do happen everywhere.

    The question is — why does this happen so much more frequently here than elsewhere? There’s only one explanation — because our society allows (largely) unfettered access to firearms. It’s so easy, in fact, that even the crazy’s can get them (and do).

    Until we address that, this will happen again, And again, And again. There’s little to stop it. All in the name of our god-given right to bear arms. And giving the green light to more concealed carry laws will only make it worse.

    All due respect… the founders were wrong on this one. But they were only human after all.

    • buma

      were physically much harder to aim and fire. I don’t think you can fault the founders for not considering the technology of 2012. The first time I fired a semiautomatic pistol I was shocked how easy it was to shoot. After firing I just held it in my palm and looked at it — and accidentally fired a second round to the side that sent other people diving to the ground. This Holmes guy could never have done what he did bearing the arms our founding fathers knew about. It is incredibly easy to pull the trigger of a gun now.

    • funwithknives

      few dollars in gasoline, a coffee can, and a match.{ NYC}

      Norway has gun laws up the GaZow and none of them stopped Anders Brevik in the least.

      Drunken drivers, repeat offenders and just plain bad people kill countless hundreds of Citizens every year and yet , little is done .

      Over 1/2 of the drivers in Metro Detroit drive without insurance, and yet no one tries to lessen the offences, punish the behavior, or just take away the uninsured’s plates.
      No verification exists for lapses in coverage. No LAWS are created, but Lord knows {as-do Michigan’s legal operators} we surely could use a couple.
      If Unlawful Use per-owned object was spotlighted, would guns vs. cars win or lose ,statistically? I do not know, but it would be ‘more than interesting’ to find out.

      All laws were followed. His record was spotless.
      {as determined ,so-far}
      If he was determined enough there are countless ways to achieve his results. Can you spell “Suicide Bomber” ?

      • californiatransplant

        And, as you can see in my original post, I readily acknowledge that this happens everywhere. But… the gun violence specifically… does happen more here than elsewhere. It just does. We all know it. But for reasons that aren’t altogether clear to me we resist doing anything about it because the 2nd amendment is so sacred.

        Your last paragraph is really the point. All the laws were followed. And this occured. The ease with which it occured is what troubles me. Sure, he could have just as easily been a suicide bomber. But that’s not near as easy as this…

        As for punishing the behavior — these guys don’t want to be detered. They just want people to suffer. And appear to be happy doing it.

        Full-disclosure — I’m left of center. But appreciate the dialog.

        • PowerToThePeople

          you are trying to pass of false info as being fact, making claims that are not backed in fact, and wanting to dialogue when we have no interest in debating a lefty. This site is not here for you to “dialog,” it is here to train activist for the right and for us to discuss just how much the left is filled with POS.

          We do not need to hear or discuss your leftist anti gun talking points. Go sing campfire songs elsewhere.

        • tcgeol

          The government can do something to make you secure from crime, but you will give up all your freedom in exchange. This country was founded on liberty and responsibility, not on scared rabbits who are willing to trade liberty for security. Its fine for you to be willing to sacrifice your liberty in order to feel safer, but you have no right to sacrifice my liberty.

          By definition, freedom means that dumb/evil people have the opportunity to do dumb/evil things. That same freedom means that you can do as you choose, as well. The right to bear arms is intended to provide a defense against all enemies foreign and domestic. If you cannot provide for defense of home and family, you cannot fulfill your responsibilities adequately – that is your responsibility and not the governments, athough they will do what they can. RKBA is the last defense against an invader or tyrant in the United States. It is the last defense of our freedoms from anyone or anything who could defeat us.

        • avagreen

          as in this town there are more stabbings than gun violence (a cultural things for those that commit the violent crimes in this city).

          Should we also outlaw kitchen knives while we are at it?

          The weapon as someone has said isn’t the problem……it’s the mindset behind the weapon. Guns don’t pull the trigger. People do.

        • tnfriendofcoal101368

          and in the Mexican Drug Cartel wars…your argument is intellectually lazy. A tragedy happened because a person decided for whatever reason to kill. Having made that decision, he could have set a bomb in the theater if no guns. Man makes the decision to kill not guns.

        • renl57

          We’re not talking here about gangland violence, or drug pusher violence, or even mugger violence.

          This was an incident of a “rampage killing” or “spree killing.”

          And surprise! That’s not a pathology unique to the U.S. or even one that occurs mostly in the U.S.:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

          What do you make of Derrick Bird, who killed 12 people and wounded a dozen more in the U.K. just two years ago–despite all their strict gun control laws?

          There are so many factors that go into why somebody is able to freak out and commit an act like this that you can’t just focus on just one.

          These people are also deranged. And deranged people can find many ways to kill. I remember one incident where a guy went nuts and just drove his car through a crowd of people.

          There is a mindset among folks on the political left that nothing can be done about insanity or evil–except to restrain everyone in society in the (forlorn) hopes that such restraints will somehow prevent evil and/or insane men from doing bad things.

          That’s what accounts for their endless chasing after gun control laws domestically and arms control treaties and peace treaties in foreign policy.

          It never works.

        • funwithknives

          of various kinds, he was wearing ballistic armor head to toe, and he obviously was not any kind of moron.
          Not having guns would not have stopped him. He came in the back way and had ample time to detonate a vest bomb, throw Molotovs , or throw pipe bombs. Homemade Poison Gas would have been a snap for this guy.

          Those are all illegal , but somehow they are all used/have been used to some effects, worldwide.

          With all the CNC machinery in this country cutting metal in countless garages and workshops, and touch-point 3-D modeling , combined with stereolithography to create prototypes, no laws would be
          anywhere-near effective.
          The ‘war on drugs’ lets countless tons of Banned Substances into this country, when a ‘need’ is sensed.
          Any kind of gun ban will do likewise. In multiples that would be found likened to alchohol prohibition.

          Laws will not be followed, a new insanely monstrous black market will emerge, and weapons supplies to baddies will not go down one iota.

          Dialog those facts. To someone who really cares about what You Consider ‘intelligent thoughts’.
          It’s piffle and lightweight piffle at that

      • westcoastpatriette

        I guess we are not so liberal in this area as we actually enforce our driving laws (unless you’re an illegal alien). The DMV keeps track of insurance coverage so you cannot get your license to drive or your car registration if you are uninsured. The insurance companies are obligated to provide this info to the State.

        Until just a year or so ago, (since Gov. Moonbeam took over) even illegals got their cars confiscated if they were caught driving without license or insurance but the Dems caved to all of the sanctuaryists and now they pressure local authorities to stop taking their vehicles. It leaves us with a very unfair and dangerous situation as the illegals are often let go when they cause terrible accidents and the rest of us are left to pay for their damage.

        • funwithknives

          The scenario is that the Scofflaws, once a year, pay for an introductory policy, get a Cert. Of Insurance and get plated.
          No further payments on the policies are made and they drive 10 months +/- out of the year, uninsured.

          In the city of Detroit’s limits , full coverage rarely goes below $5000 /year for even a small compact car. You cannot believe the numbers who use outside-Detroit mailing addresses for their insurance billings, when they decide to be insired, as when bank financed.
          Working people inside Detroit have no other realistic choices, if they use a car.

      • Ausonius

        Their direct weapons were irrelevant: the weapons which put them in a position to commit murder were the usual: ruthlessness, immorality, lies, envy, class hatred, racism, amoral egalitarianism, and stupidity and desperation among the populace.

    • checkmate2012

      If you think that by banning guns to lawabiding citizens will stop the insane and criminal minds from getting them to harm innocents, you are sadly mistaken and will be less safe.

      Our country of 315M or is bigger than most and it does happen elsewhere and think of all the terrorist acts in other countries that don’t allow citizens. It was almost a year ago that a crazed nut killed 77 in Norway. It just happened in a Toronto mall about a month ago.

      You are entitled to your opinion indeed. I just hope you didn’t transplant to TX with your opinion or intention to change our laws.

    • PowerToThePeople

      lets say you take every law abiding citizens gun away today and then every other gun you can find, you will not put a dent in the number of guns owned by criminals, will not dent black market gun sales, but will leave the law abiding segment of society defenseless.

      As to your “why does this happen so much more frequently here than elsewhere” comment, educate yourself.

      In Scotland where all guns are banned, per capita, they match just about everyone except they do all their killings with knives.

      If you look at crime reports and statistics of our country versus others, take into consideration our heavily populated city areas versus the other countries tendencies to have less population masses even in their cities, and reconfigure the statistics to accommodate for these differences, all of a sudden their murder rate is not that impressive compared to ours.

      People have been murdering each other since the dawn of time with and without guns. Mass murder existed long before the invention of the gun as well. And when you take away guns you do so only from those who will obey the law. The rest will simply obtain the weapons from other criminals and the murder rate will really skyrocket then.

      • renl57

        Holmes had never been convicted of anything beyond a speeding ticket.

        And that’s the problem.

        There have been many cases where law-abiding citizens who obtained guns perfectly legally, freaked out later in life and used those guns to commit a horror show.

        I remember one case where a respected law-abiding psychologist (who happened to own a gun) found out that his wife had been cheating on him.

        While he and his wife were home, he asked his children to come down from their upstairs bedroom. Then, in full view of his children, he shot his wife through her head.

        Had his wife never cheated on him, this man would never have used his gun to commit a violent act except possibly in self-defense.

        I don’t know how to fix this except by early intervention. What this couple needed was marriage counseling, not gun control.

        And had this Holmes guy been on Risperidone or Thorazine, those 12 people would still be alive.

        • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

          was going to happen” – called authorities, those 12 people would still be alive.

          • avagreen

            by his mother’s calling authorities unless he exhibited some behaviors dangerous to himself or others that the cops could see/hear. The most that could have happened would have been a 24-hr hold for him to see a psychiatrist, and then a 72-hr hold if the doc thought he needed further examination. Unless the guy voiced suicidal or homicidal thoughts, he couldn’t have been held (against his will).
            I’ve seen people that I knew needed (involuntary) hospitalization who didn’t weren’t admitted (involuntarily) because they were smart enough to know what NOT to say and smart enough to know what TO SAY. Someone can be “suicidal” and involuntarily committed (with proper evidence) using the 24-hr hold, but the minute they say they are no longer “suicidal” they have to be released. Works the same way with “homicidal” thinking.

            That’s just the way the law works to keep unlawful psych hospitalizations from happening. At times, it’s really a pain.

        • PowerToThePeople

          or are you just chatting with me about a different line of though as the things you have posted have nothing to do with what I posted.

          Just asking as you may have replied to the wrong person or want to discuss what is on your mind.

    • woodie

      as brief as possible here. First, may I ask “Who the heck are you to question the founders?”
      Might I also ask if, just IF “the left” is correct about this whole gun control thing — then how do they plan on eliminating firearms from a population of 310 million people. I’m sure some of the other posters could tell you how many guns there are in the U.S., but I would guess about 300 million. The idea of an un-armed American populace is preposterous on its face.
      There does seem to be room for improvement in screening serious mental health problems prior to sales, but that may be tough to do. I implore you to re-think your supposition that allowing more conceal-carry permits will generate even more tragedies such as the one last night. I would think that more C/C citizens we have — the more likely massacres (from whatever kind of weapon) could be nipped in the bud or at least curtailed.

      • rightlane1111

        Thank you Chief Justice Roberts….the Left is going to “tax” every fire arm that is registered…AND if you don’t pay…just like our healthcare…they will confiscate it. There’s your answer.

    • Tbone

      You also lack the ability to research or the will to learn. Your ignorance is typical of a liberral. You react with your “feelings”. You and your kind are what is wrong with America. Please move to France.

      • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

        ,

    • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

      You can check out their crime stats here. Very low.

      But you should know that in 1982, the city passed an ordinance that states:

      (a) In order to provide for the emergency management of the city, and further in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants, every head of household residing in the city limits is required to maintain a firearm, together with ammunition therefore.

      (b)Exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who suffer a physical or mental disability which would prohibit them from using such a firearm. Further exempt from the effect of this section are those heads of households who are paupers or who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine, or persons convicted of a felony.

      KennesawGunLaw

      It works because every bad guy in the area knows about the ordinance and the likelihood of what will happen if they go looking to cause trouble.

    • runner12

      has greatly changed my views on guns and the 2nd Amendment. I have always been a conservative, but for a greater part of my life I supported what I used to call “reasonable” gun control laws. I grew up hearing how guns were bad and if we could just have more laws, then no more violence or bad things would occur. I never was really into guns (still am not), so it sounded like a good argument.

      But I was completely wrong.

      What changed my mind? The rise of the radical Left culminating with the election of O. Through their actions I discovered that all of those conservatives who were pro-2nd Amendment were right all along. It was never about stopping violence or protecting people, it was all about solidifying power and trampling over the Constitution.

      I additionally discovered to my surprise that the states with the most restrictive gun laws have more crime than those who have conceal/carry laws. Those statistical facts convinced me that the arguments that I had previously swallowed regarding the need for more gun control laws were nothing more than pure fiction.

      My state recently passed a conceal/carry law. While I do not plan on toting a gun anytime soon, I cheered the passing of this law. Now the bad guys will think twice about trying to inflict deadly harm on the innocent public.

      • checkmate2012

        or learn why it is in our Bill of Rights in the first place. To protect themselves against tyranny. They weren’t thinking of a bad neighbor or thug, they were protecting against an evil government.

        And I’ll leave tonight with this comment as I’ve been watching the horror stories from the survivors unfold: It’s strange to me how many people thought it was part of the movies, like some promo or stunt, until all hell broke loose for real. Why is that they didn’t recognize trouble from the moment the killer entered via the exit and threw the tear gas? Just wondering about the whole situation like everyone else and wonder if everyone is too de-sensitized these days to reality.

        • runner12

          It is so difficult to process events like this and so many questions arise out of it. Unquestionably our society is desensitized to violence, mainly as a result of the myth the Left pushes that what we see does not affect us. I am in no way advocating for censorship as it is a violation of our Constitution, but rather responsible parenting and individual choices. If people would stop consuming the ultra-violent and amoral junk that is out there today, it would cease being made.

          Additionally, one thing that really angers me is the Left’s hyper-focus on gun control when the real focus should be identifying mental illness early in these individuals. It always amazes me that after these types of crimes, several closest to the perpetrator admit that they were not surprised. Really? Then why did you not try and get them some help? It boggles the mind.

    • daylight58

      I had to fill out paperwork, and get an called-in Fed background – even after I’d gone through the process: fingerprint check/registration, background check, at the local LESA office – to get my conceal weapo permit.

      I don’t recall what I had to do when I purchased a long gun 11+ years ago.

      Now it is going to be different on a private sale, but the info out there is this person bought through licensed stores.

      Now, you can say that “the system” doesn’t work for people who’ve gone off their nut without any prior history of mental health issues, or, without a criminal record, but don’t suggest that it is unrestricted.

      Now, our society – in criminal matters – operates under a presumption of innocence. We love to say that that – in theory, even if not in practice – it is better to allow a few guilty persons go free than to convict an innocent person.

      Why should we change that mode of thinking – that a person who purchases a weapon has in the absence of information to the contrary, should be allowed to?

      • David123

        nt

  • gflyer3364qt

    We Tea Partiers got together and hired a 24-year old grad student to shoot up a Colorado movie theater during the Batman premiere. And had it not been for such nutorious courageous Pulitzer worthy acts of journalism by Brian Ross and Stephanopolous-Rex, we would have gotten away with it too!

    (Sigh)…Good Lord

  • runner12

    What an awful act of evil committed last night. Do they have the murderer in custody yet?

    I cannot believe that the Left still tries to politicize these acts of evil. It is disgusting. Yet again they look to blame the right and the Tea Party with no facts or evidence. What they do is irresponsible amd dangerous.

    We just passed a conceal/carry license in my state and I am glad. There is no greater deterrent to crime than the bad guys knowing that the citizens are armed. Maybe if one person had been armed, more lives could have been saved.

    • PowerToThePeople

      it is a 24 year old grad school drop out that is said to have been quite intelligent but very much the loner. Now he gets to await the needle. Wonder how much he will beg for someone to intervene on his behalf between now and the moment the fluid flows through the needle tip.

      • runner12

        CO I believe is a state that has the death penalty.

  • doncorleone

    How is it that these national “tragedies” always occur in “blue” states or cities? Liberalism has washed over the once “red” state of colorado. Why do they always seem to coincide w/ liberal initiatives that are up for votes (the u.n. gun-grab that’s about to take place), or when national discussions are heating up (fort hood, v. tech,, “gabby” giffords massacres)? Lastly, I’m not telling anyone how to raise children, but, that six year old that was shot, why was he there in the 1st place?

  • cactusjack

    after being hit by the inital rush of shock, sadness and disbelief, wasn’t about your first cogent thought, “this probably wouldnt have happened in a state with concealed carry, odds are in that crowd there would have been about 10 people carrying & loaded, and well…somebody would have got the drop and angle on his face or foot or hand,even just to wound or apply close range physics to that suit – then some guys would have rushed him being distracted – and this thing certainly wouldnt have gone on for twofull clips and a hundred or so rounds.” Texas saw this tragedy play out at a Luby’s cafeteria about 20 years ago. CCH laws were quickly revised to make it easier to carry. FL had already done so a few yrs before that. These set the national trend of beefing up, not restricting, CCH laws across the nation.Is CO a CCH state? Yes it was a tragedy, yes there was human panic going on. I ask because if this was in deed a “gun free zone” – we will never hear that reported in the MSM.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Stand your ground is different.

      • greyeagle

        There were a lot of murders of young women here in Fl and that had an influence on the licensed to carry laws plus stand your ground here in Florida. Before stand your ground, the law was to try and get away. Quite a few people were murdered under than law.

    • http://teresainfortworth.wordpress.com/ Teresa in Fort Worth, TX

      How likely is it that they will not go looking to shoot up a place?

      There’s a reason Switzerland’s crime rate is so low – they are trained and armed to the teeth…..

      • cactusjack

        can calculate logically, admidst all the delusional stuff swirling around in there, that if they try something like this in society that’s lawfully armed including with concealed carry – welll then their 15 minutes of fame might be cut short to about 5 seconds or less in a volley of return fire. So the planning of which jurisdiction to try to pull off this kind of thing, is definitely a factor. From everything we’re seeing about this guy, he was definitely a thorough and methodical planner right down to using the exit door and buying the right loads of ammo.

        • Dave_A

          Of course, IF he had real body armor, that may be part of ‘why’….

          If you’re wearing Level III or IV, then, well… A hail of pistol-caliber fire becomes potentially survivable (long enough to raise your victim count)…

          • Dave_A

            Down to the !#%!% extra ‘protection’ flaps (groin flap, neck flap, etc) that don’t actually protect against anything….

            Now, it could have been a Chinese airsoft clone of ‘the real thing’ (which looks identical, but provides no ballistic protection)… Or it could have been stolen from Ft Carson….

      • checkmate2012

        killings still happen.

        Case in point for some, Mexico has extremely strict gun laws and we see how well that’s working out of the citizens against the cartels. Also, D.C. and Chicago ban guns.

        Read this: http://www.panda.com/mexicoguns/

        • cactusjack

          trapped in that situation, some even small chance to be something better than a trapped target in a 20 yard deep shooting gallery.

      • woodie

        When I read your post I wondered how much of a deterrent that knowledge would be in cases of paranoid schizophrenia. You have to admit – a heck of a lot of the guys have a common mental illness. There is no telling what all is going on in their head, so in these cases it might not matter.

        Where it will matter is in other more “common” forms of crime. Did you happen to see the video of the mid-60s white guy in Florida who emptied six shots into the fleeing bandits at an Internet Cafe? I kept running it back and re-playing it and laughed harder each time.

      • buma

        per-capita is actually ten times the per-capita rate in England-Wales. That’s over six per 100,000 in Switzerland versus under 0.5 in England-Wales. In the US the rate is around 10.5.

        • cactusjack

          because, with the mountains, and every single Swiss taking pot shots at your troops, hostilities over or not – because everyone knows that place is armed to the teeth! – Napoleon, the Kaiser, Hitler et al figured it’s just not worth it. That puts Switzerland in a club all by itself of “countries next to Germany that Hitler was afraid to invade.” I would say the Swiss willingly accept the odds, to maintain that staatus and their freedom.

          • jakeofalltrades

            … when he explained why invading America would be insane.

        • acat

          How about the total murder rate, not *just* firearm-related?

          You’re picking a very narrow point of view, and while some people just habitually do so, in general it’s an indication of intent to score a point…

          Mew

        • fightnright

          from this list from the World Health Organization (quoted in this Wikipedia article).

          • acat

            are .. not accurate in some significant ways, right?

            The U.S. counts infant mortality for all births, most of the world count only full-term pregnancies, so ours look worse … but if you factor out the preemies, ours look better.

            It’s very important, when looking at data like this, to do apples-to-apples comparisons, the WHO doesn’t, usually for the benefit of their political masters.

            Mew

          • fightnright

            ‘rate of firearm related deaths’ includes the number of suicides as well as homicides. The total number of firearm related deaths is often used to create the misperception that the rate of firearm related *homicides* is higher.

            But your point about the WHO is well taken. I think I might have posted here myself about the global infant mortality rate fallacies pushed by that organization.

          • acat

            is one of those things that’s not always accurately reported …

            “Did he fall or did he jump?”

            “Did he mean to swerve into the truck on the highway, did he lose control, did he fall asleep at the wheel?”

            “Did he trip and fall into the path of the train or was it deliberate?”

            There’s, as the show says, a thousand ways to die .. I’d suggest that, if we really want statistics, taking a long and skeptical look at the death-by-misadventure and death-by-suicide numbers.

            Mew

          • fightnright

            ::waves paw::

        • tnfriendofcoal101368

          To provide guns to the Mexican Drug Cartels while at the same time denying the same guns from law abiding citizens defending themselves.

        • aesthete

          as there are more firearms, there are also more “firearm related deaths”?

          Tell me, as the availability of electricity goes up, do you think the rate of electrocutions per capita goes up or down?

          As car ownership increases, do you think the rate of car-related fatalities goes up or down?

          Now, stop lying to people by using statistics and tell us all what the crime and general fatality rate in Switzerland is compared to England-Wales (also, why are you excluding Scotland? Interesting little game you’re playing).

          • buma

            is for more people to have more guns. I hope that 100 percent of them are better shots than me and just about everyone I know. And i hope that they will be able to shoot only the perp in a dark theater full of people after the smoke bombs are set off. I have dreams of being the big hero too, but in my dreams I always seem to qualify for a do-over.

    • clamdigger53

      Absolutely Correct ! But must it take a slaughter in each anti-gun state to wake up the entire Country?

      • cactusjack

        for about 20 years now. The country did some real soul searching after the assasinations of the 1960s, and it carried on the debate into the related issue of capital punishment in the 1970s. Slowly, state by state, we made up our minds, we’re keeping our guns and keeping capital punishment. Even CA and NY reinstated capital punishment after suspending it for awhile back then. Every opinion poll places capital punishment in the 70% in favor range now, and Mr Obama knows he will never never never get lawful weapons out of the hands of the good citizens of the great majority of the 57 states. And Europe has stopped making fun of us since the mobs trashed London was it lst year (?) and the Muslim youth perform their biannual burning of Parisian suburbs now.

  • jakee308

    how did he get through that emergency door? They are usually set for one way and are locked the other way.
    Was security lax at the movie? Did someone conspire with him or others to leave the door open so some could sneak in?

    I’m guessing all of the above and that means that some responsibility lies with the management of the movie theater.

    Bring back ushers. (Men and not boys) Maybe arming them would be a good idea too.

    • oldmom2

      purchased his movie ticket, entered the theater then exited through the emergency exit door in the theater, propping it ajar so he could return.
      He then went to his car and donned his kelvar, helmet and guns and returned to the theater via the propped open door.

  • cactusjack

    your idea about bringing back ushers. Or security guards. Or armed security guards. But from what I see on the media tonight, what’s being consdired is…you guessed it….metal detectors at the doors. It’s been no fun to fly for a long time. Now it will be no fun to go to the movies anymore.

    • tnfriendofcoal101368

      At the movie theater, oh joy

      • Tbone

        nt

      • doncorleone

        Are being reported in ohio as we speak, 1 person I’ve heard on the radio yesterday said, he was stopped 3 times in a 60 mile stretch.

  • deano64

    I live about 12 miles from the scene of the shooting and 2 miles (closer to 1 as the crow flies) from the detention center where the suspect is being held and district court where the suspect will be arraigned Monday morning. Some people say they are feeling anger.
    I haven’t felt much anger today. I seem to be going from feeling a little numb and dazed to almost breaking down in tears. Thank you Jeff Emanuel for your post I really do appreciate it. Please don’t forget to pray for the victims and their families. God please be with them all.

    • checkmate2012

      is very heavy for the senseless act of a mad man and my prayers are with all those involved in anyway, including your entire community. I believe that most of the country is mourning for the victims, both dead and alive. Godspeed.

    • runner12

      through right now. I know that I just feel sick when I think about those innocent people who were killed/injured. Please know that there are many around the country who are praying for all of those affected by this crazy murderer’s actions, including myself.

  • doncorleone

    How can a “phd”. holding, med. school drop-out, out of work loner, get the funds to outfit himself and his apt., w all of this materiel issue? If he’s attached to “black bloc”, they have plenty of financial, logistical, material, donors, from the left-wing foundations, to the teamsters/a.f.l.c.i.o., to depending how it’s bundled and funneled, the fed/gov. itself, most of it federal income tax-free.

    • freedom555

      I’m not inclined to think any groups aided him. Still it is amazing that a med school guy could get the resources for what we’ve read about so far.

      Is arming yourself for this type of violence really that cheap?

  • poorwilber

    …..will always follow the path of scoundrels….using any crisis to promote a political agenda.

    Bloomberg, the midget Caesar, who banned the evil big gulp to “keep New Yorker’s thin”, now proposes to shred the Bill of Rights to “keep them safe”.

    Will there be no end to the good all of these petty tyrants will do to protect us from ourselves?

  • rightlane1111

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/blood-hands-obama-mitt-nra-article-1.1119049

  • supergirl2911

    Why does Obama have ads in Georgia? And there was no halt to the negative campaigning. Negative ad tonight on USA network.

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