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Martha Coakley and the anti-American agenda.

If you read no further, support Scott Brown.

In 1804, Thomas Jefferson wrote to Abigail Adams on the free exercise of individual conscience in America, and its indispensability to our freedoms. We may disagree, wrote the Founder, but that disagreement is to be welcomed, not crushed: “I tolerate with utmost latitude the right of others to differ with me in opinion without imputing to them criminality. I know too well all the weaknesses and uncertainty of human reason to wonder at its different results.”

Martha Coakley thinks she knows better than Thomas Jefferson.

The Democratic contender for the late Ted Kennedy’s U.S. Senate seat made her uphill climb to election a bit steeper this past Thursday when she told radio host Ken Pittman of WBSM that persons with certain ethical principles should not work in the medical professions. Pittman specifically asked Coakley about the rights of conscience of health-care providers, and segued into a query on Roman Catholics in Massachusetts’s hospitals.

A response grounded in the American tradition of pluralism, freedom of conscience, and an ethical consideration for the autonomy of the individual would have gone something like this: “Ken, it’s not the state’s proper role to interpose itself between the conscience of the provider and that provider’s duties. In America, government derives its moral convictions and authority from the people — not the other way around.”

Martha Coakley is not grounded in the American tradition of pluralism, freedom of conscience, or an ethical consideration for the autonomy of the individual. Her response to Pittman was to denounce the idea of any allowance for individual conscience in federal healthcare legislation. Then she uttered the line that alone ought to sink her campaign: “The law says that people are allowed to have that. You can have religious freedom but you probably shouldn’t work in the emergency room.”

It’s not often that a candidate for federal office goes on the record with her belief that whole classes of Americans should be excluded from whole sectors of our economy. Martha Coakley did exactly that, and the only term to describe it is one we should use sparingly in our public discourse. It should be reserved for direct attacks on our heritage as a free country of free people. It should be reserved for assaults on the foundations of our liberties as laid down in the American Revolution.

It’s anti-American.

Martha Coakley’s declaration that Roman Catholics “probably shouldn’t work in the emergency room” doesn’t just betray an ignorance of history and society, though it does both in full. Catholic provision of healthcare is a proud tradition of centuries that, if you’re theologically minded, goes back to the healings of the Apostles — and if you’re historically minded, goes back to the lay and clerical orders that provided care to travelers, pilgrims and the poor beginning in the Dark Ages. In the United States today, Catholic healthcare facilities exist in all fifty states. Despite Coakley’s wish that they not do so, those facilities provided care in nearly 17 million emergency-room visits last year.

Beyond Coakley’s ignorance, the effect of her pronouncement is nothing short of pernicious. If public officials decide it’s appropriate to recommend exclusion of faith groups from employment, where does that end? It doesn’t take much imagination to grasp that the threat only begins with Catholics. Adherents of Christian Science might find would-be U.S. Senators questioning their fitness for any health-related profession. Believers in literal Biblical Creation could see liberal officeholders demanding their ejection from the teaching profession. Muslim faithful might be urged out of security and military professions.

The logical consequences of Martha Coakley’s statement are both grotesque and stupid.

Martha Coakley does not exist in a vacuum. Her belief that conscience and its protections must be forced out of the healthcare sector are tightly bound up with the ideology underlying the President’s push for healthcare reform. That reform threatens ever-greater government involvement in healthcare, and probably portends its takeover if passed.

With that comes the precedence of government priorities — and there’s little room for individual conscience then. That’s why President Obama last month moved to revoke the conscience protections afforded healthcare workers and providers under Federal rules. As Kevin Hasson and Luke Goodrich of The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty wrote, “Regardless of one’s view on abortion, contraceptives, war or capital punishment, respecting conscience only when one agrees with you is no respect for conscience at all. Those who champion ‘choice’ and ‘tolerance’ should respect the conscience-based choices of those with whom they disagree.”

President Obama is taking the first step toward forcing healthcare professionals to follow the government’s ethical agenda rather than their own. If Martha Coakley wins on Tuesday, it won’t be the last.

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COMMENTS

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    …And you’re exactly right about that Coakley woman.

    We’d love to see you back in politics…on the front lines again.

    • renny

      (besides killing 42,000,000 babies) has been the relentless assault on Christians and religion in America.

      Oddly, in the decade before Roe, church members and pastors and priests and rabbis paraded through the South defying segregation and changing the US forever in race relations and law. The press treated all those reverends with absolute reverence.

      Eight years after the Civil Rights Act, all of religion became worthless and an impediment to forcing the US into a straight jacket of political “gender” correctness that has been pursued so virulently that now people proudly proclaim they are atheists and purchase bus advertisements proclaiming there is no God in Christmas in December.

      If it weren’t so upside down and inverted, it would be funny.

      Vote Brown. Put one more anti-American witch out of her misery. www.scottbrownforussenate.com.

      Go to OFA Chaos and cause Coakley trouble. Operation OFA Chaos is a disinformation action against the Organizing for America (OFA) social networking web site to thwart its use to organize call banks, canvassing events and any event to get out the vote for Democrat Martha Coakley running against Scott Brown for Senator in Massachusetts. This operation runs 1/15/10 ? 1/19/10. Spread this around. The more that people participate, the better the results will be.

  • JadedByPolitics

    LEFTISTS believe and that is Religion is to WIPED OUT of America because it makes their agenda much easier to apply and you as well said the ultimate truth as a Religious American she and they are ANTI-American. I believe she has thought it through and to those to the hard left the Alinskyites if you will work VERY hard to banish ALL Religion from the :)

    • JadedByPolitics

      anyway the rest of my sentence said “city square and it is our duty to BANISH them to the dustbin of HISTORY :) ”…….very strange….heh!

  • http://nanosecondinv.proboards.com/index.cgi? trapeze

    …in regard to this line from above:

    “Muslim faithful might be urged out of security and military professions.”

    In light of the last ten years? Ummm…yeah, I’m kind of good with this one.

    And if that opinion upsets you, well, hard cheese, eh?

    • JSobieski

      Nothing stops someone from lying, but many have been very open in their opinions—–and their opinions should have been duly noted.

      Someone who thinks they need to bring Sharia law to the US needs to stay out of military and government jobs.

      • nolan

        and I have to say that islam doesn’t belong anywhere in America, nevermind the military and security apparatus. Look what’s happening in europe.
        Many have been open in their opinions, yes, and the PC mentality glossed over it. There was a woman who worked for the FBI, and I can’t pull her name right now, who was essentially a whistleblower. She reported, and IIRC it was confirmed, that shortly after 9/11, Arab-speaking muslims who were translators for the FBI cheered on 9/11! The head of the detail actually had his people slow down the process of translating intercepted messages! She blew the whistle, there was an investigation, she got fired and the muslim in charge of the detail got promoted. It’s late here and if you want details, ask and I’ll be happy to provide later.
        This issue is bigger than commies in the gov’t in the 50′s, but unfortunately McCarthy has been so vilified that the PC crowd would literarally riot in order to protect our mortal enemy’s “right’ to destroy us

        • Brian Hibbert

          “I have to say that islam doesn?t belong anywhere in America”

          Whatever else may be true, this country is about allowing freedom of ideas. If you shut down anyone who believes in Islam, what about Jews? Or Hindus? or Baptists? Catholics?

          Where do you stop?

          • nolan

            Islam doesn’t allow for any freedom of ideas. Tolerating the intolerant isn’t magnanimoous, it’s suicidal. Please look to europe for all the proof you need. Spencer at Jihadwatch.org is great source, but there are many others.
            I understand the idea of freedom of religion, and it goes against the grain of America to exclude on that basis, but islam is more of a political construct than it is a religion. All religions, to one degree or another, are a good way to order a society, that is to establish the rules and conduct of a society.Islam seeks to dominate the planet and to continue to fight infidels “…until God’s will reigns supreme…” and they do it by the sword if you don’t convert or pay the jizya. Islam dominates. How big a representation do all the other religions you mentioned have in islamic countries? How easy do they have it?
            Have you read the koran? I don’t mean to come across as condescending, I truly don’t. I want you to understand what it is you’re defending! Islam is evil, Brian. It destroys individual liberty and treats women like chattel. It calls for the flat out murder of Jews and the subjugation of non-believers. The modern slave trade (which W. Europe and N. America engaged in) was supplied mainly by slaves taken by islamic warlords in Africa.
            I think you could stop at people who aren’t trying to completel;y dominate and destroy America and Western values.

          • Brian Hibbert

            Europe is on trouble because they have made their ideology subservient to the will of Islam.

            The US MUST keep it’s own principals of religious freedom while not allowing the Islamist to impose their will upon those who do not practice that religion.

            We allow the practice of Satanism which is a religion which is in direct contradiction to my own. It’s allowed so long as they don’t break any laws and then they are prosecuted for the laws they broke rather than the practice of their religion.

            The same courtesy should be given to those who practice Islam. (And no I’m not equating Islam with the practice of Satanism.) As long as the practice of their religion is within the law, there is no reason to prevent or restrict it.

            I’m aware of some of the tenets of Islam that you point out and that many use to justify the horrible actions you mention. But we can allow people who do not commit such actions to live peacefully and practice their beliefs.

          • nolan

            however, have you actually read the koran, the hadith and the centuries of islamic jurisprudence? Those who aren’t committing such actions are practicing taqiyya. They are in some instances being persecuted by the devout for not practicing islam enough. What would it take to get them to do so?
            Links below are good material to mull over.

            http://www.pjtv.com/video/Sharia_and_Jihad/The_Islamic_Infiltration%2C_Part_1%3A_Inside_Our_Government%2C_Armed_With_Our_Secrets/2930/
            Plenty of material on the site above. Robert Spencer?s ?Stealth Jihad? is a good read.

            http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/01/post-911-institutionalized-islamic-propaganda-as-dictated-by-society-of-professional-journalists.html
            You say we need to prevent islam from imposing their will. And Europe is in trouble b/c they made their ideology subservient, well we have that problem here too!
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/google-islam-search-bug-continues-day-10.html
            It?s even going international
            http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/03/un-makes-it-a-crime-to-insult-islam-respect-violent-ideology-or-jail.html

            Plenty of material around the ?net. This is not even a scratch on the surface. As I said, jihad watch.org is a good place to start.
            It just isn’t so simple.

          • Brian Hibbert

            “I think you could stop at people who aren?t trying to completel;y dominate and destroy America and Western values.”

            You mean like Democrats.

          • nolan

            That was good!

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            So you ‘d better head for the hills! Oh noes! OMG!

          • janis

            dummies, just awaiting the wisdom of another “smartest man in the room” to help guide our errant path. He doesn’t “mean to come across as condescending”, and yet he does. As well as smug, snide and bigoted.

            Ah, the holy trifecta of those longing for a gakking…..

          • nolan

            what I consider reasoned, rational, supported arguments, completely lacking in any acrimony, derision or ridicule is what you consider smug, snide (you’d better look that up janis) and bigoted (narrow minded and intolerant, sounds familiar!). I’m quite tolerant of the Latinos I used to work with, even those here illegally. I do have a problem with La Raza, or would you consider that being bigoted? Every single Sikh I’ve met has been A-okay. The Haitians and the Bible-thumpers, the homosexual community and the enviro-nuts are all part of this country and the give and take of our style of freedom is what works. Have you seen the pictures of the protests in europe in which muslims hold up signs saying “Freedom go to Hell.”? How many Jews have used explosives to rid their community of gays, or hung them en masse?
            How well versed are you in the koran? That’s a fair question, not antagonistic in the slightest. If you answer no other question, please answer that one. Did 9/11 mean anything to you? Or haven’t you got the slightest bit of intellectual curiosity to find out about this issue. I assure you, it’s bigger than ‘net neutrality’.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Whatever animus you have for Muslims, take it elsewhere. This is a politcal site, not one for you to spout off on what religions you hate.

          • http://nanosecondinv.proboards.com/index.cgi? trapeze

            …because obviously the First Amendment protects the freedom of religion.

            On the other hand there are certainly things that you may not pursue in practice of your faith…human sacrifice comes to mind. Blowing people up would be another. And that is where the rubber meets the road. I think you will be hard pressed to find a Catholic, Jew, Hindu or Baptist screaming “Praise the Lord!” (or whatever the Jewish, Catholic or Hindu equivalent phrase is) and mowing down innocents at a shopping mall (or military processing center) with a sub machine gun.

            As we have come to find out over the last decade, orthodox Islam (as practiced in the Middle East and unfortunately almost everywhere else) seems to have but three choices for humans: conversion to Islam, enslavement or a quick and grisly death. And it seems that there aren’t that many interested in the apparently unglamorous role of evangelism when all of the glory surrounds butchering and martyrdom.

            Still waiting for those mythical moderate Muslims to stand up en masse and repudiate the terrorist murdering thugs that seem to make up a rather significant portion of Islam’s adherents.

            Nevertheless, I stand by my original politically incorrect belief that, yeah, we could probably find better candidates for certain careers than Muslims. As “radical” as this may sound to some, I probably would not get on an airplane that was piloted by someone wearing a turban. I probably wouldn’t be particularly trusting in the intelligence assessment of a CIA agent that whips out the prayer rug multiple times a day. Profiling? Sure thing. You betcha. No problemo. Bigoted and intolerant? Not by my way of thinking. It’s just that “powers of observation, common sense and self-survival thing” rearing it’s inconvenient head. I would rather be judged intolerant by some than have my remains dropped into an early grave by others.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Your views on religion are not relevant to this political website.

          • http://nanosecondinv.proboards.com/index.cgi? trapeze

            It’s a fact that the current terrorism threat originates with Islamists. That may be inconvenient but it is, nevertheless, true. It’s pretty hard to have any kind of discussion, even political, that touches on the terrorist threat without mentioning that, yes, Islam is involved.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • JSobieski

            There is undoubtedly a line between attacking an ideology and attacking a religion, but if the ideology is grounded in a religious text, the alternative to crossing the line is leading with the chin

            http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2010/01/16/col-allen-west-answers-helen-thomas/

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • JSobieski

            Are we allowed (and I mean that in the broader societal sense) to look to what motivated him? What he said? His interpretation of certain teachings?

            Or is all of that off limits?

            Is Jihadism analogous to spontaneous combustion?

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            I say again that Red State is not the place to go off on random jags about disliking Muslims.

            The matter is closed. Disagreement with this will be taken to the contact form.

    • Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey

      makes every man and woman a de facto enemy of the state.

      Iron curtains aren’t just put up at national borders. Coakley is talking about an iron curtain around the health care profession here.

  • http://www.mysimplehomegarden.com tbaleno

    They are good ads. They are outright total lies, not even distortions and they are persistant lies. Hopefully people will find out she is lying and it will bite her

    I’m going to the rally in worcster tomorrow. We have to work extra hard to fight this.

  • loveformycountry2010

    If Coakley wins health care deform will be passed and crap and tax will be passed, so you better be willing to sleep in tents outside. I think you guys are getting your hopes up for nothing remember this a a very liberal state.

    • Martin Knight
    • JadedByPolitics

      and it is ALL Americans who recognize this TAKING of their FREEDOMS & LIBERTIES! The only people still supporting this piece of crap would be the bottom feeders of our society!

    • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

      but pardon us if we hold out hope that even the dumbest of folks can wake up and get something right once in a while…. I, for one, am NOT counting any chickens before they’re hatched, I have always advocated Cautious Optimism in these matters. The outcome of Tuesdays Special Election will NOT surprise me either way (Analyzing Campaign chances by more than “gut feel” (see too: Confirmation bias (Pollyanna principle))). It is all a question of whether despite Democrats (inner-insecurity) questions about the ObamAgenda and direction will still show up out of habit to pull that JackAss lever or hopefully just not feel motivated to bother and stay home in enough numbers that folks that finally woke up come out and vote for Brown (and, of course, the MOA).

  • swami7774

    Probably the kiss of death, and I don’t think he’s factored in the below-the-belt mailing that hit mailboxes yesterday, but there it is.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31593.html

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    Why is it okay to bash Catholics? I am one and highly offended by her and have tried calling her office. She sent a nasty flier out saying Scott would refuse treatment to rape victims. This woman is desperate.

  • bonkey

    She doesn’t have enough feet to put in her mouth apparently.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmNpcMHwOa8

    For those who don’t know Schilling is a famous Boston Red Sox pitcher who defeated the Yankees in the world series.

  • Next93

    I don’t think she’s thought it through to the extent you have; this is what happens when you accept a political position (i.e. “abortion is good”) without actually examing the deeper implications. Every time you try to back an abotion supporter into a corner, they resort to the “rape and incest” defense; it’s an injustice to force a woman to carry a baby she didn’t choose to conceive.

    The problem with that answer is that if we are going to allow abortion in those cases, we should also be ok with executing the children of other criminals. If we decide that men have no voice in the abortion decision, then we should abolish child support payments. If we allow partial birth abortions, we should allow infanticide. If we outlaw personal consience, then we have to accept the “I was only following orders” defense. It goes on and on, and at the end of the day, it’s pretty clear that permitting abortions causes a massive chain of ethical inconsistencies. Anyone who gives it more than a few moments of honest unbiased thinking can only come to the conclusion that the better “solution” is to prohibit abortions and deal with the much smaller number of injustices as best we can.

    None of this ever makes it through to people who start from a pre-set moral or ethical position and work thier way back through the reality of the world. It’s actually very similar to the thought processes that seem to go into Global Warming theory.

  • USNJIMRET

    Coakley said:
    ?The law says that people are allowed to have that. You can have religious freedom but you probably shouldn’t work in the emergency room.?
    The law says you are ‘ALLOWED’ to have that???
    I KNOW she didn’t mean the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land, and it’s Guarantee of Religious Freedom!!
    Dem’s constantly refuse to acknowledge that what that document says is what it means. They regularly interpret, define and redefine and even sometimes create entire new “rights” that were never mentioned.
    I am NOT ‘allowed’ my Religious Freedom because some man made Law says so.
    It, like my Right to breath, was given me by the Creator of my life, the Lord I choose to worship.
    I may not be overly devout in my Religion, but I do NOT enjoy it because Coakley and her ilk wrote words that said I was to be ‘allowed’ to!!
    As for the rest of her comment……as Forrest Gump said, “Stupid is as stupid does.”
    And this woman seems determined to prove that truth, over and over again.
    Which does seem to be something she is genuinely pretty good at.

  • jacon4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nEoW-P81-0&feature=player_embedded

  • medamorphus

    This is a Scott Brown video and it’s terrific. A must see for sure.

  • The_Rebel

    http://www.flemingandhayes.com/articles/98-handicapped-seiu-member-barred-from-coakleyclinton-rally-secret-service-forcibly-remove-foreign-coakley-supporter

  • http://JamesonLewis3rd.com JamesonLewis3rd

    If Martha Coakley, a person I have never met, has a clue about American History, I would be amazed. I suspect she would question the relevance of Thomas Jefferson or Abigail Adams if their names came up in a conversation (unless these icons of The USA were being derided of course).

    This is a great post, it is insightful and is very worthy of sharing with everybody you know.

    Bravo, Ken Blackwell!

  • capeindependent

    Next93, you have opened my eyes and I have greater awareness of the consequences of moral compromise.

  • JX12

    Boston defeated St. Louis in the 2004 World Series. They had to go through New York in the 2004 American League Championship Series to get there.

  • nolan

    you’re a “troll’ too, remember! LOL
    Did you get a load of how many gnats came after me for having the temerity to support you on such a minor point?
    And it was the ALCS. Historic meltdown! SOX down 3-0 in the series, on the verge of getting swept and breaking every heart in the SOX Nation. Dave Roberts, who’ll never have to buy a beer in Boston, steals 2d, leading to what is widely considered to be the greatest comeback in all of sports!
    You’re evidently not a huge SOX fan (I’m only a moderate one) but the documentary is worth checking out. The name escapes me, which proves I’m only a moderate fan!

  • hickorystick

    If you have faith, and are acting out your faith in everyday life, you fail the Governments test. If you have faith, but rather than acting on it as God’s inerrant law, you instead bow your head, drink from the cup, worship from the endorsed prayer book and serve obeisance to the State you may continue to hold your position; for a little longer.

  • lorig77

    It is so refreshing to follow things through to their logical conclusion instead of being interrupted by hyperbole and distraction. Thank you for this interesting perspective.

  • vs007

    This nude playboy guy is gonna join the republican machinery once he goes to DC.
    I would say vote only for pure conservative and tea party candidates.

    No more faux conservatives(read republicans)

  • gekster

    who do you pick in MA?

  • Trelaina

    If it is, it’s pretty sorry.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Don’t feed the trolls, guys.

  • 6eorge Jetson

    and a defeat of ZeroCare. ‘Cause that’s the choice here.

    I don’t trust the present Republican establishment/locus to govern as a majority. I’m fairly sure, however, that all but a few present Republicans are safe NO votes. And Scott Brown is running in Massachusetts on voting NO on ZeroCare.

  • gekster
  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    have been on this for some time, and the Croakley campaign is exposing their shear stupidity…. Trolls/Mobies have obvious reason why they want to split Conservative votes. Libertarian, Reform, etc, Third Party empty-heads just are really dumb or really don’t care — to otherwise just throw the Election to Croakley (yes, I know I’m not spelling it right ;-) lol) and allow Reid/Obama to keep the 60th Cloture vote (vote still supporting Kennedy with ZERO chance and) is just the ultimate in stupidity —- no matter what “policy” differences, or otherwise concerns, with Brown!

    As I’ve ALWAYS said… There are plenty of Pathetic PROGRESSIVE Republicans — but the “there is no difference between the Parties” is just bunk!!! The problem is making sure the GOP has Candidates that actually believe in and will uphold the GOP anti-Progressive Platform!!!

    +Party of kNOw – Republicans must be the Party of NO [to Bigger Govt.] not the Party of SLOW[er Liberal Incremental-ism]
    +TEApeaters, 3rd Party mistake – alot of TEApeaters fail to recognize (prepare to repeat) History…

  • JadedByPolitics

    ………

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Concept still applies :-)

  • heatherradish

    “Despite Coakley?s wish that they not do so, those facilities provided care in nearly 17 million emergency-room visits last year.”

    Coakley and “progressive Democrats” (as they call themselves) need Catholic facilities to close down so there will be millions left without care, especially in poor and rural areas, so they can justify creating new government-built and managed clinics.

  • jacon4

    and so do people and their politics. This is a wonderful opportunity for Mass. to stand up and say enough, i wish them well.

  • beezling

    ?The law says that people are allowed to have that. You can have religious freedom but you probably shouldn?t work in the emergency room.?

    This is not immediately an attack on people of conscience. What she’s saying is along the lines of “You’re terrified of rats, so you probably shouldn’t be a janitor, or “You’re scared of heights so you probably shouldn’t be an astronaut.”

    It’s not censorship, it’s common sense. Some emergency room decisions require immediate life-or-death decisions which could easily violate one’s personal beliefs.

    If you conscientiously reject what goes on in the emergency room, don’t work in the emergency room. And if the hospital knows that you might suddenly remove yourself from any procedure at any point when it is realized that your principles are in question, they sure as hell won’t (or shouldn’t) have you in the ER anyways.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Between defending the indefensible here and rejoicing in a blow to the tea party movement on another thread, you’re headed for a quick demise. Especially admitting you write for a hostile power.

    I’m in a holiday spirit, so I’ll urge you be dispatched swiftly and painlessly.

  • Vegas_Rick

    are limited and clearly defined. And NONE of them are “life or death.”

  • JadedByPolitics

    and before Democrats decided to KILL BABIES!

  • Third Street
  • penguin2

    be violated. So making me do something against my religious beliefs, would be forcing the State religion on me. The fact we have even had to have a “conscience clause” to protect us, is the true tragedy of our society. One does not have to be a Catholic to have a conscience about human life. There was a time when societies’ nurses and doctors would never have participated in the deeds that are done today.

  • Tbone

    stuff to prove it.

  • JadedByPolitics

    and is taking pleasure in the problems of the TEA Party Convention so yeah you are RIGHT he is SLIME!

  • muffin

    http://www.caneman2.com/DSCF0010.JPG

  • earthmover

    He makes a very worthy and intelligent point, except that it happens to be entirely irrelevant to the discussion.