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Janet Napolitano's Smurf Brigade's Fondling & Frisking Arouses Controversy

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin

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Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano’s Let’s Make a Deal approach to keeping America’s airports secure isn’t generating too many fans. Perhaps it’s because the choices given are so insulting to the rights enjoyed by a free people:

Door #1: Have nude pictures of yourself beamed to some video monitor to be viewed by a total stranger where it may or may not be stored; or,

Door #2: Allow yourself to be groped, poked, patted down, felt up, frisked, and squeezed at the hands of some police academy reject in a Smurf-blue uniform [Photo: Kim Kardashian at LAX]; or…

Door #3: Don’t travel.

Worse is the fact that, if you have children, you have the same choices to make on their behalf:

  • Have nude images of your kids viewed (and stored?) by strangers,
  • Subject your kids to physical molestation, or
  • Cancel your trip.

I’ve got to admit that, as a frequent flyer, I’ve sort of gotten used to being frisked. Perhaps airport security screeners confuse old bikers in Harley shirts with Al Quaeda, but the pat downs have been an almost regular occurrence since 9/11. While most of the pat downs over the years have been of the generic sort, a few after 9/11 seemed to be going a little too far as well—the fingers inside the waistline by an officer of the opposite sex was one such memorable occasion.

It wasn’t until a couple of weeks ago, however, while traveling through an airport in the Midwest that I received the double treatment—the body imaging device and the pat down (no open palms on the genitals though) that the Smurfs began to get annoying. At the same time, the pilots’ and flight attendants’ unions began to grumble that their members were being traumatized by the TSA’s new security measures.

Since then, the controversy has grown considerably and Janet Napolitano is faced with trying to appease a variety of constituencies while remaining seemingly resolved to infringe on Americans’ constitutional right to be “secure in their persons…against unreasonable searches.”

One individual has started a website called optoutday.com, which suggests that people opt out of the body imaging on November 24, the day before Thanksgiving (when the volume of air travel is particularly high). According to the website’s founder, Brian Sodergren, the goal is to get people to experience the rigorous pat-down so they can discuss it around the Thanksgiving table:

“Getting a plane ticket doesn’t mean you’re consenting to someone being able to look under your clothes or feel your genitals,” said Sodergren during a phone interview with ABC15.

Sodergren wants passengers, pilots and flight attendants to “opt-out” of the X-ray body scanners and go through the pat down procedure.

“It’s too much, I don’t want my wife or my child going through the pat-downs and have their genitals touched, people need to understand what’s going on,” said Sodergren.

Ironically, Muslim Americans are being forbidden from having their bodies imaged and the Council on American-Islamic Relations is recommending the following to Muslim women who wear jihabs:

  • If you are selected for secondary screening after you go through the metal detector and it does not go off, and “sss” is not written on your boarding pass, ask the TSA officer if the reason you are being selected is because of your head scarf.
  • In this situation, you may be asked to submit to a pat-down or to go through a full body scanner. If you are selected for the scanner, you may ask to go through a pat-down instead.
  • Before you are patted down, you should remind the TSA officer that they are only supposed to pat down the area in question, in this scenario, your head and neck. They SHOULD NOT subject you to a full-body or partial-body pat-down.
  • You may ask to be taken to a private room for the pat-down procedure.
  • Instead of the pat-down, you can always request to pat down your own scarf, including head and neck area, and have the officers perform a chemical swipe of your hands.

How perfectly Orwellian that, while non-Muslim Americans are having their Fourth Amendment rights being groped, grabbed and trampled by Napolitano & her gang, Muslims are being urged to use the First Amendment’s Freedom of Religion provision to all-but-ignore the TSA screening measures.

Meanwhile, for those of us who are stuck traveling for a living, until this gets sorted out, we’ll just suck it up and suck it in, as the Smurfs continue to get up close and really, really personal.

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COMMENTS

  • http://www.redstate.com/etcartman Kenny Solomon

    H/T Jim Hoft’s (Gateway Pundit).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TCHSGvNwRY

    CW39 TV Houston – Reporter Steve Simon’s daughter searched at the airport.

    She was three years old at the time.

    • acat

      They pulled our luggage off and went through it, they also did a thorough chemical sniff of us both. No idea what set them off, no explanation given.

      Just .. stupid.

      Mew

    • littlehouse18

      without consent and to the child’s obvious distress. Her parents were sheep.

  • marshmom

    and a huge respect for our constitution and a disdain for airport security (Atlanta is where I always have to travel from as it is closest to home) I already told my husband that unless they change something, we will NOT be flying anywhere.
    It was already a huge hassle the last time we flew somewhere before they got these fancy new machines. I’m not doing that again, especially if it means someone has to fondle me or my children.
    This whole thing is a huge joke! I didn’t know that Benjamin Franklin said that about safety and liberty, but I wholeheartedly agree. If we continue to allow them to do this, we are the ones to blame.

  • Raven

    Like soldiers on orders. “Not Fly” is not an option.

    • Raven

      That this little device never went through the FDA for approval for use on humans?

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
        • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

          I have not heard anyone posit the machines or pat-downs have a negative environmental impact. I’m generally a fan of your posts, and your sophisticated statistical analyses, but this is more like throwing bombs without basis.

      • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

        See http://www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/ait/safety.shtm

  • minncon

    So the TSA pat-downs are discouraging air travelers?

    - Then travelers will take one of the pointless high-speed trains that are being funded by Obama’s stimulus plan. They’ll become a success, where otherwise they’d be failures.

    - Th unemployment rate will fall, due to all the pervs and pedophiles lining up to get TSA jobs in order to enjoy all the public groping going on.

    - Obama’s core constituency will actually ENJOY all the airport fondling, and will soon be happy to pay a new “travel tax” for the service.

    It’s a win-win-win for President Zero!

  • chamberD

    That’s all I can think of this morning as I consider how far we’ve descended in permitting the LEFT to destroy us.

    We have permitted liberals to dictate to the rest of the country that it is WRONG to profile passengers, as is done in Israel — and very effectively, I might add — and as a consequence we’ve adopted increasingly intrusive procedures to search for weapons when we instead should be searching for terrorists.

    And to further indicate the insanity of the situation is that the TSA under Janet the Incompetent One will give a pass to passengers who are Muslim and/or their women in Burqas. The terrorists who seek our destruction are Muslim — but we non-Muslims are made to be the ones to endure the extra scrutiny. This is lunacy of the first order, and suicidal at that.

    NOT ANY MORE. If the airlines don’t put a stop to this, and pronto, they will soon be heading to bankruptcy court for lack of business. I blame the liberals first, who make good guys into the bad buys and put the bad guys on pedestals (we wouldn’t want to make them mad now, would we, or uncomfortable, poor things). And second, I blame the rest of America who let them get away with it.

    The only way to solve our Muslim terrorism problem is to send the people of Islam packing, back to their original countries where they can beat up on each other to their heart’s content. Islam is not a religion. And it is certainly not a religion of peace, no matter what George Bush thinks.

    The Trojan Horse is here and his name is Islam. Wake up, America! Read your history.

    • dmccracken

      Sadly, accurate history is no longer taught and too few people have any interest in seeking it out. Despite the well-known truism that those who do not know history are apt to repeat it.

      The Turks were repelled at the Battle of Vienna and so the poisonous spread of Islam was halted at the gates of Europe in 1683. Unfortunately through liberal policies that have destroyed their countries and are currently destroying ours, this curse has made far too many inroads while the western world has slept, or at least been in a stupor. We are peacefully giving up a legacy bought in the blood of prior generations.

  • tngal

    If you take pics of me nekkid or grope, grasp, or squeeze me somewhere…and we are not bonded by matrimony – you pay me. Not the other way around. Just sayin’.

    Man the government’s gotta have their hand in everything!

  • earlgrey

    I have had some very unpleasant encounters there. It is not just a matter of groping, but the power trip is bad.

    The trade-off of authority vs. accountability is very much off balance. You can tell some of them (not all — some are very pleasant) just get a thrill off of ordering people around. Since they are part of a federal union, they can do that and be assured of haivng a job.

    • AceInTX

      we had to deal with,,,every where I worked there was some scrawny weenie you just knew was picked on at school or on the school bus who used their new found power as a law enforcement officer to bully and harass inmates or the Public we dealt with every day…they’d act like jerks and then people like me were required to come in and physically deal with the havoc they wreaked with their little power trips…

      • earlgrey

        and I spend the whole flight being mad about their uppity attitude and intimidating tactics. As if they are doing me a favor by letting me climb into a tin can for several hours.

        • AceInTX

          not to b e sexist about it because I worked with a few women who had a knack for defusing a tense situation…but they were the exception…most of the females I worked with would get mouthy and ramp up a thug and we’d have to roll in on them and take them down.

  • grumpy_old_soldier

    Since CAIR is recommending specific choices and courses of action for Muslims, and since we are expected to show more “empathy and understanding” towards Islam, let’s ALL be Muslims on our travel days.

    Making political correctness work for all!

    • AceInTX

      I bet I wouldn’t be given special treatment like these people if I were to wave my Bible around and refuse to be groped and prodded based on GOD’s standard of rightiousness

      • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

        So I’m not sure anyone could care less what they recommend. Just because CAIR says they can do x, y, or z does not mean they can.

  • jeffreywturner

    When I go through it, I always do a Hulk Hogan flex just to make sure the screener in the other room gets a good look (and probably a good laugh).

    The pat downs seem to be over the top (and likely ineffective), but the scanners never really bothered me, particularly if the folks seeing the images are in another room and can’t see you or even know who you are. I mean even if they could store your image, my understanding is that they could never match it to a face or know who it is. Perhaps if I were a shapely female or a famous person (who hadn’t already done a sex tape) I would be a little more concerned about it.

    But in all seriousness, lets lay off the folks at TSA. Most of them are just pee-ons and they are not the ones who came up with this crap. Their bosses did. Are some of them jerks and perverts, probably, but I doubt that is the majority of them. Most of them are probably just trying to earn a living and do their job.

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      I’m concerned about the x-ray radiation. In the 1950s, these were prevalent and considered safe.

      • jeffreywturner

        I’d be interested to see an independent analysis of the hazards of repeated exposure.

        Then again, I’m sure my microwave is probably frying my insides every time I stand near it anyway.

  • minncon

    Sez “What’s the big deal… look all you want!”

    • texasgalt

      compared to the real thing.

  • proudmarinemom

    extensively in Africa, South America and Europe, I am accustomed to being searched, groped, scanned, etc. I don’t like it, but it’s preferable to being on a plane with someone bent on blowing it up. I don’t know that these measures are effective, but I’m not as offended as others here. I blame Islamic jihadist for the inconvenience, not the TSA or DHS. That said, both agencies could demonstrate a little more competence and courtesy.

    The video in Kenny’s reply of the little girl throwing a tantrum demonstrated to me only that tired, frustrated 3-year-olds sometimes throw tantrums. She was probably due for a tantrum (no nap that day, I suspect) and the search was the melting point for her. A little imagination on the part of the TSA agent and the mother would have helped the situation. Couldn’t someone have thought to pull out a Muppet or a lollipop or something? Really, this does not have to traumatize kids if the adults just use some intelligence.

    There are no easy answers here. Those determined to kill us will still find ways to get through security. I’m willing to go through some inconvenience and intrusion to make it harder for them, as long as EVERYONE else does the same. No exemptions for the ladies in burqas or hijabs or whatever. No squawking about racial profiling, either.

    • Read Chesterton

      Really, this does not have to traumatize kids if the adults just use some intelligence.

      So the “good touch, bad touch” admonition we give to toddlers in the pediatricians examining room is now extended from parents and doctors to TSA agents? And then who after that?

      • earlgrey

        How are the kids to know then that it is wrong when a police man, mall security cop, school security officer, mail man, etc. do the same thing, that it is wrong.

        • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

          Not saying its ideal, but kids are exempt from any of it, the sad truth is they become the mules for terrorists who want to plant bombs/weapons.

          • edintexas

            At least as long as there are concerns about the degree of X-Ray exposure, and those concerns currently are particularly aimed at children and the possibility of increased risk of cancer in the long term. The concerns may be erroneous, particularly for adults who are not frequent fliers, but if I had a child who had to fly I would take the potential seriously. We put sunscreen on the kids these days, why subject them to X-ray exposure?

          • earlgrey

            My daughter has already been subjected to numerous x-rays since she was 7 days old due to birth defect concerns. I regret that now, since she is fine and I have no intention of subjecting her to further harm.

            Besides how do we know that the TSA is doing a good job of maintaining these machines so the dose of radiation stays in the safe zone. These people don’t strike me as being very concerned about that sort of thing.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      For starters, the fourth amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure.

      • littlehouse18
      • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

        Same authority used at DUI and cross-border checkpoints. If a screener is doing anything other than looking for weapons/explosives, then its an illegal search. That’s the applicable exception to the warrant requirement.

        • Raven

          Want to do that for out of country travel or at customs coming into the country, you might get away with it.

          But for flying from DC to Disneyland…?

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I transited through Bejing last year. I was already perturbed because my flight from Seoul was delayed several hours, so I arrived in the very late evening. I had to go through three checkpoints. First a routine informational interview, then a police check, and then the x-ray and pat down. Since there was no one else around they were able to take as long as they wanted. It was clear the entire thing was meant to intimidate.

    The pat down was performed by a young lady. Apparently they don’t have the same-sex pat down rules. It was much more intrusive than even the one being described by TSA. Normally I’d have to buy a lady dinner and a movie for that sort of attention.

    Anyway, the point of my comment is, this happened in China. Does anyone see a correlation here?

  • Old_Crow

    and usually connect through Heathrow, Brussels, or Ampsterdam. In general, the overseas security screeners seem much more switched on and attentive.

    Many of the TSA folks just seem to be punching the clock, looking forward to the next time they’re getting their nails done, prattling on about some soap opera of the latest sale at Walmart.

    The problem with the TSA is that they are government employees which makes it much harder to get rid of the bad ones. TSA should be privatized so then if agents screw up, they can be fired and the company fined a few million dollars. Having one government agency Homeland Security watching over another government agency TSA clearly isn’t working.

    • texasgalt

      when the Republicans had full control. Of course they tucked tail and went along.

      • cwilson

        …along with the only time in my life I have ever agreed with Ted Kennedy (that reorganizing the intelligence services, and adding ANOTHER yet layer of bureaucracy called the “DHS” — when the problem at 9/11 was too MUCH bureaucracy impeding information sharing, was akin to “rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic”).

        But, remember that the Dems were in charge of the Senate (thanks to Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords) and Harry Reid refused to allow ANY bill to come up that didn’t allow for the thousands of new TSA hires to be unionized — and thus Democratic voters. So, yeah, the choice was a unionized TSA or no intelligence bill at all (I would have gone with “no intelligence bill at all” but…)

        • texasgalt

          and I too would like a do over

          • cwilson

            I believe it was Tom Daschle, not Harry Reid, that was the Democratic Senate Majority Leader in 2001.

        • Raven

          Last I heard, they were still trying to pull that off…

          In fact, it would seem that the Labor Relations Authority just made that decision 2 days ago despite Congress saying otherwise for almost 10 years now…

          http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/11/tsa_employees_can_vote_on_unio.html?hpid=news-col-blog

          • cwilson

            The original argument was over whether “federalizing” — making air screeners federal employees, subject to civil service hiring and firing rules — was the only way to “professionalize” them. ‘Cause, just look at the postal service (or your state DMV).

            Stossel, from 2002

            Part of the argument, as I recall, was whether the employees would also be unionized. I think — and this is from memory, so I could be wrong — the compromise was they wouldn’t automatically be part of a union, but there was no legal bar to union representation. So…”TSA employees have already joined both unions, but the workers do not have “collective bargaining rights“.

            The vote that was recently authorized is whether the union many of them already belong to, will be authorized to engage in collective bargaining (with the government) on their behalf.

            E.g. yet another gubmint employee union, picking our pocket and protecting employees who violate policy or underperform (as if civil service protection doesn’t do THAT already).

    • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

      Like San Fran and a few others. The screeners there have to follow the same protocol.

  • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

    This mess is worthy of Congressional oversight come January. The Administration needs to eat crow on intrusive scanners and pat downs. If Bush was still in the White House the Broadcast media oligarchs and the NY Times would be rubbing Bush’s face in this.

  • Adrian

    we wouldn’t be any less safe and we would be saving money. Sounds like a plan to me.

    • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

      So under your plan, what exactly stops another 9/11? And the destruction of aviation commerce and aviation as a means of travel does not hurt the economy? I guess we’re not less safe, unless you count those of us who fly and/or who live where airplanes fly and could crash.

      • sbowers3

        The Israelis laugh at our absurd “security”. They know security better than anyone and they don’t use these machines. The whole thing is a show by the government to convince people that they are doing something – not to actually do something.

        There will never be another 9/11. The passengers, flight attendants, and pilots will make sure of that. The TSA is “dealing” with yesterday’s problem, not tomorrow’s.

        Future terrorists could kill far more people in a crowded theatre or sports stadium. Should we have body scanners and pat downs at every theatre, every shopping mall, every stadium?

      • dmccracken

        The TSA checks are laughable. They institute something new after every failed attempt, not that it increases security at all, but because they can and it will give people the illusion that they are safer. When they spend more time checking on 80 year-old grandmothers than 20 and 30-something middle eastern gents, then the security is a joke.

        Because of this, it wouldn’t make much difference if they weren’t there at all, or at least if they scaled back to pre-9/11. The problem wasn’t the airport security then any more than now. They problem is our porous boarders and the refusal of the federal government to do anything about it.

        Now if you want the TSA to be effective then introduce profiling and a requirement that there be reasonability to the process, with proper supervision and punitive measures for those who abuse their authority, then maybe it can be developed to something that enhances security, but right now it is worse than having nothing because it makes people think they are safer than they are.

    • avgjo

      I worked for an airline at a small airport in the South from 2000 til 2004. Pre-9/11, we had to monthly go test the private security screeners upstairs by trying to sneak through a fake hand grenade or gun (per FAA, if I recall correctly). Most of the time, we could get it past them. Anyway, after the terrorist attacks, first we had National guard posted at the checkpoint, which was still manned by the folks from the private company, then later the TSA stuff started. Guess what? They (a) hired most of the folks who had been there before (you know, the ones we were able to sneak weapons past) and (b) they got rid of the requirement that the checkpoint be tested. Gee, I wonder why they did that? Could it be they didn’t want us to tell people that the mighty Federal government handles airport security like the DMV handles customer service?

      I always tell people i trust that the whole thing is for show. It is akin to putting a warm water bottle in a box with a puppy; it gives them a sense of security, but if something bad were to happen, it offers no protection.

      The ugly truth, which too many people still don’t want to acknowledge, is that we need profiling based on religion and national origin. That’s the only way that we can have a reasonable expectation that the security measures are definitely working.

      I have to also point out how ironic to me it is that Muslim terrorists caused this whole invasive government boondoggle, and now a Muslim group like CAIR is advising Muslims to play the PC game to get out of these ridiculous procedures, and how our ruling class, either out of fear or corruption, is so beholden to subversive groups like CAIR, that they will probably carve out an exception for Muslims, who again gave us 9/11.

  • student

    The real issue is that political correctness that keeps our monitoring efforts diffused out over the 99% of the population who pose no risk – blue haired grandmothers and children – instead of the Muslim population and young men who pose the actual risk. The truth is that every plane terrorist attack in the last decade has come from bearded young Muslim men. We should be scanning all non-US citizens, all middle eastern nationals, all Muslims intensively and using only spot checks elsewhere. The political correctness that says you have to harrass everyone so that the Muslims do not feel singled out is just absurd. Let me make an analogy. Anybody who has lived in a city knows that you don’t take the shortcut down the dark alley when you cans see a group of young men loitering around. But if you saw the same alley and it was empty or had a group of young female cheerleaders standing there the risk is dramatically lower. Street smarts 101. Applies to the rest of life as well. Duh.

  • creditman

    This is getting close to where the “rubber hits the road.”

    Eventually we will have profiling of the passengers. It may take a couple more iterations of intrusions like this, but eventually it will happen. Additionally we could see certain airlines use a charter function for those that travel a lot. This would involve a through background check for those passengers.

    Yes, the Muslims will feel that they are being “picked on.” So what? It’s certainly not our fault. It is the growth of the Muslim population that is the problem. To hope for a reformation in the practice of their religion is practically useless. The control of their movements however can be done.

    We are reaching the “over center” point of political correctness anyhow. With the retreat of the Liberal-Progressive influence we will be less politically correct and back to more practical problem solving.

    • AceInTX

      in the first place

  • AceInTX

    You now have no rights…not because you have done anything wrong….not because the neighborhood you grew up in has engaged in repeated acts of violence….not because your preacher, religion, or whole water of life revolves around slaughtering any man woman or child who thinks differently than you do…

    No…you are now suspect because we can’t be seen as being unfair to a religion/culture that has spent the last half of the last century engaged in a violent and bloody Jihad against the west.

    This is insanity…the system we have in place now would take a Congressional Medal Of Honor Recipient and make him as equally a suspect as those who have spent millennia preaching the violent death of the infidels as represented by the western world.

    I’ve had it with this foolishness and it’s high time we started dealing with the real enemy and stop acting like Islam is not a threat to our way of life because they are now engaged in a systematic use of our justice system and our western sense of fair play and using it to pout the noose around our necks.

    Oklahoma is a prime example of this…the idea that saying our courts can not use a enforce religious decrease on our populace as Sharia Law would do is controversial in the very heart of this country is to much to be believed.!

    • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

      You really think you can beat the terrorists by having people screen only those they think might be a terrorist? Ever hear of couriers? Think the terrorists might be willing to plant something on a woman, child, old person, baby, or other individual who does not fit the profile? How can you possibly know who is a jihadist?

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        People more intelligent than you are capable of coming up with better screens than your straw man proposal.

        • AceInTX

        • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

          If you don’t screen everyone, what’s to stop the bad guys from planting something in someone else’s bag? Or finding someone who does not fit the profile and coerce them by threat of force to them or their family to smuggle weapons/explosives onto an aircraft? That’s not a straw man, that’s a security concern.

      • AceInTX

        They know who the terrorists are…and they know how to pick the right people out of line….We’re focusing on the innocent to prove how tolerant we are while allowing religious exemptions for the perps who are waging war against us!

        Focus on middle easterners….and leave the rest of us alone…if the moderate Muslims get tired of being profiled…maybe they’ll turn on the fanatics who are trying to kill us and make them knock it off…but it doesn’t make sense to target Americans…many of whom have security clearances…have served the country honorably and have done nothing wrong…

        THIS IS MADNESS!!!!

        • AceInTX

          but why would you pull 50 year old Baptist preachers out of line if the threat is coming from 20 something Arabic males carrying Korans and screaming Allah Akbar at the top of their lungs?

          • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

            Truth is we most likely would not. We have to be right every time. They only have to beat us once to pull off a successful attack. That’s just the way it is.

          • AceInTX

            When is the last time you heard of an El Al aircraft being hijacked?

            And who besides the Israelis is a bigger target for Islamic Extremists?

        • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

          Not to mention an extensive interrogation of passengers and equally intrusive technology. Where do you think the U.S. got the model?

          By the way, a great many TSA personnel served the country honorably too. Probably not the best way to repay them by calling them smurfs and molesters. A lot of them are on second careers and took the job right after 9/11, and/or are there because they are doing their level best to keep the rest of us safe. They don’t make the policies.

          • AceInTX
  • creditman

    This intrusive situation brings to mind an overarching thought.

    The seeds for the destruction of Islam are already planted in its’ followers and their beliefs.

    Islamists constantly ask us to treat them no differently. Now that they are treated the same, they ask us to treat them differently.

    This is just another “pivot point” that will lead them to destruction.

  • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

    As somebody who has complained about TSA, since before there was a TSA, I think the solution really is don’t fly.
    Sometimes it simpy cannot be avoided but for all other times, drive.

    As I have pointed out before. The security screening doesn’t work. FAA and NTSB tests prove 90%+ of all test runs are able to move firearms or explosives through security. Google it, the proof is out there. Often on government sites.

    What Americans need to understand is that we will NEVER be able to secure air travel without massive intrusions on personnel liberty and privacy. Even being forced to fly under your own name is simply wrong and guess what, you don’t have to do that either. Yes, even that system is a total failure.

    Why don’t we have all of this intrusive yet inffective nonsense to ride a train or bus? Oh, that’s right. AMTRAK and most other mass transit are owned and operated by government entities and already struggle to maintain ridership. And of course we already know how safe the bus is.

    So what do we do? Don’t fly. When airlines really begin to fee the pinch, they will be the best advocates we can possibly have for reasonable security.

    Speaking of feelingTHE Pinch.
    “At the same time, the pilots

    • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

      First, the FAA and NTSB does not run security tests on TSA. TSA, DHS, and GAO do. This is public sphere info. Not sure where you pull 90% from, but its wrong.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
        • Duke

          I just came from DC after the Vets Day weekend. The only time I ever stepped into a nuke booth was in Tulsa last summer, and I’m still trying to wash off the radiation. In Tulsa they were running everyone through, not just a person here and there. I didn’t give a lot of thought to it, as it caught me by surprise – I’d never seen one of those contraptions before.

          In DC the bluebellies motioned me to go to the machine. I told the guy, “No thanks, I’ll pass on your little nuclear fallout machine. I got my dose of carcinogens in Vietnam.” I could tell from the look in his eyes he took it personally. Very unprofessional. Perhaps I said it loud enough that the people behind me realized they could opt-out too, and it appeared a lot of them did. The guy tried briefly to explain there was, “no more radiation than you’ll get on the plane ride.” I asked him where his radiation dosimeter was. He didn’t answer – my guess is he had no clue what I was asking him.

          While he was fondling my nuts I continued my discussion with him about how the government never told us that 2-4-5-T and 2-4-D (Agent Orange) were carcinogens until so many of the soldiers and sailors were dying of the chemically induced cancers that it was undeniable. One of the other 5 or 6 bluebellies that were standing around watching “my bestest buddy” grope around my crotch told me to “shut-up.” Real professional.

          These full-body xrays for half the flying public will make the Agent Orange claims look like chicken feed!

          • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

            DOT not NTSB. My slip.
            Don’t know if Neil has your employment status nailed.
            Maybe you just enjoy a false sense of security.
            Aside from the below I also have a brother and a mother who have both carried firearms undetected onto aircraft in the last 5 years. My wife carried a 3-4 inch knife onto a plane in August 2010 in her purse.
            I see the stories because I am a pilot myself. I know security is crap.

            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11882430/39546235
            100% bomb failure. 21 airports.
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201898.html
            Testing to be carried out by DOT and FAA. Still a 60% failure rate.

          • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

            These tests you cite are years old. None of them measure success under the AIT and enhanced pat-down. Nor do they measure the other security enhancements that have been implemented over the years. So, basically people would hide things in sensitive areas to defeat security. So either security gets ramped up to counter the threat, or you may as well drop the whole thing.

            If we stop doing security though, we’re going to be easy picking for the terrorists who are still very much looking to get us.

          • Raven

            Try reading that part.

            Oh, and what’s that quote about trading freedom for the illusion of security?

          • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

            The article quoting Mica was dateline 10/17/2010. oh, I know, that is so yesterday.
            The reports I linked to we the most recently publicly available. One even shows an 80% EFFECTIVENESS rate in SFO, where security is NOT handled by TSA gropers. Apparently SFO has a private screening company. In the absence of more recent, independent data, we can safely assume TSA has not gotten better. This government doesn’t improve, it just hides its abysmal record.

            1. People will still hide things in sensitive areas. Just a little “deeper” than before.
            2. The purpose of the groping is to force people to go for AIT. That has been established.
            3. I have not yet seen even the proponents of AIT say it would have definitely caught the Eunuch bomber.
            4. WE ARE EASY PICKINGS FOR TERRORISTS. A bomb at a security checkpoint is very effective. It is one of the methods employed in Iraq. Maybe we should arm TSA guys so they can shoot people who approach too aggressively. Or we could put put another pre-checkpoint checkpoint out at the corner. Or maybe at our front door. TSA is a totally worthless organization.

            We can either let the terrorists win, which we have to this point, or we can live as free men understanding there is danger but liberty is worth the risk.

  • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

    First, Muslims have to go through the same process as everyone else, regardless of what CAIR urges.

    Second, those in the viewing booth never see who the person is. That’s not to say its not intrusive, it may well be. But the suggestion that they are allowed to take and store images is false. It is a termination offense.

    Third, calling screening personnel smurfs and molesters is offensive and has to stop. If they do not follow the procedures they could lose their jobs. If they actually did molest, they should lose their jobs. There are videos at checkpoints to review such claims. Like the one published on Drudge the other day by the woman at Miami. Thoroughly discredited by the actual video of what happened.

    There are some 40,000-50,000 TSA employees who you insult with such unnecessary personal attacks. They, their friends and families probably are not more likely to sympathize with your objections to the policies, your anti-union stance, or conservative politics in general by such inflammatory language. How about just objecting to the policy and making your case that way.

    Last, that pilot from TN broke the law. Nobody may like going through security, but the rest of us do it anyways. If he doesn’t have to go through, then neither do the jihadists. He deserves to lose his job and be fined. He’s no hero.

    • cwilson

      Just ask Joe the Plumber.

      About pilots: we let them fly 900,000 vehicles full of flammable fuel over inhabited areas…and somehow think that making that same pilot go thru a naked scanner or let some union thug feel him (or her) up makes us safer?

      • cwilson

        …maximum takeoff weight of a 747-400.

    • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

      Well, we reviewed the video and it clearly shows Stinky Smurf rubbing his hands over the genitals of the accuser. Obviously he was merely following procedures.

      Are you kidding?

      There are guys who get off looking at the Sears catalog and you think rubbing their hands all over women and children’s genitalia for eight hours will not have a titillating affect on them? Or do you suppose TSA hiring procedures are so sophisticated as to screen out all perverts or even most?

      I understand you don’t like to see Chester being picked on but you have to realize a few things:
      1. Many of us are forced to fly and interact with these guys enough to see they are by and large unemployable morons getting a free ride.
      2. We also believe in holding people accountable for their actions and not allowing them to hide behind the badge as it were. Particularly a badge made of polyester.
      3. Security has gone so far now as to be a clear infingement of our most basic rights.
      4. Too many of these half-wits are power tripping officer wannabes.
      5. Finally we aren’t stupid. We know airport security is a failed joke. If anything air travel is more dangerous thanks to these guys.

  • tjpeco

    … but if you object to the security procedures taking place at the airports, then don’t fly while working to change the system.

    While the 4th Amendment may protect you from illegal search and seizure, when you purchase your ticket, you consent to the security procedures. Its part and parcel of the arrangement between you and the airline.

    Personally, I couldn’t care less if people see or feel “my junk” on an x-ray screen with my face blurred out. Really. Do you get offended when your doctor inspects your naughty regions? That TSA agent looks at thousands of x-ray images a day. Do you think he/she is going to pick yours out of the whole bunch to make his night special?

    And as for all this “those who desire liberty and safety deserve neither” was written/spoken by a man who knew nothing of air travel or fundamentalist terrorism.

    I’m beginning to become very suspicious of this “anti-TSA” movement.

    • cwilson

      …and their record is better than ours. Neither the shoe bomber nor the underwear bomber attempted to penetrate El Al security. Also, nobody hijacked 4 El Al jets and flew them into the Knesset.

      The point is, the TSA “security measures” [sic] are just kabuki theater, providing the APPEARANCE of security without ACTUALLY providing it. I think most people get this, since I can’t COUNT the number of times I’ve heard statements like “well, if the Norwegian Volleyball Team was behind 9/11, then we’d be pulling out all 6ft blond women for extra attention — but in THIS reality where it was 20-something-year-old muslim men…not so much”

      So…not only do we have INEFFECTIVE and MISDIRECTED “security measures” — now that they are turning into excuses for voyeurism and free groping by high school dropouts with a Prison Exploitation Movie complex…folks have just about had it.

      It was also REALLY dumb timing on Janet N’s part to start the “enhanced groping patdown” regime less than a month before everybody and their grandmother hops a plane for Thanksgiving.

      • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

        They both got through European security. A model which mirrors what you are advocating. Just so you know.

        • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

          We started permanently taking our shoes off AFTER Reid.
          Most agree even the grope wouldn’t detect the underwear bomber though backscatter might. MIGHT.
          And so far nothing detects body cavity explosives. Do we go there next?

          Our own government put the underwear bomber on the plane knowiing everything we needed to know about him. If he hadn’t been an imbecile he would have killed 200+.

          That is government security.

        • cwilson

          from Europe’s. I’ve flown in Europe — and I’ve never been interviewed. El Al interviews EVERY traveler individually…AND they single out suspicious individuals for further scrutiny (HORRORS: profiling) rather than groping every third grandmother, and all the pretty women — while deliberately avoiding 20-something men in muslim garb (because, CAIR, you know).

          PIR, just give it up. We’ve all figured out that you work for TSA, and are feeling just a wee bit defensive right now. Those funny stories your coworkers joke about in the break room…aren’t all that funny to those of us on the receiving end of those funny anecdotes.

          • Duke

            The current assclown in the White House rejects just about everything to do with Israel. Come to think of it, he rejects a lot of good ideas to streamline government and society – perhaps all of them.

            Chances are until we replace him we will continue to founder, bow and grovel, naked and impotent before the rest of the world.

    • Raven

      They are required to fly.
      And in at least the case of military personnel, they go to jail if they refuse to fly.

      Now what?

  • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

    Almost nobody seems to side with the scanners/gropers.

    Even if you do agree in principle (safety > privacy, or whatever), why put such trust with the bureaucrats? It’s yet another government job tailor-made for perverts and control freaks.

    Is there a growing case for privatizing air travel security?

    • ihateliberals

      Travel Security. There is only the perception of doing something to stop it.

  • macjedi

    and that is why the push back by the sheeple is such a shock. THEY themselves seldom if ever have to stoop to the monotony of the commoners or the degrading treatment they decree for ‘us’ to suffer. It is their same disconnected aloofness that keeps them blind to the outrage of the common citizen against the criminal abuses on our borders (and worse, the ballot box). Actually, I’m surprised they haven’t yet responded with a ‘let them eat cake’ to trick or pacify the stupid groveling masses. Oh how we ignorant peasants are not able to recognize the bottled brilliance of Obama’s queen of security, Janet Napolitano. Her fragrant benevolence and matronly devotion to safeguard the the fairness and equality of the Nation’s borders…. Surely this justifies a little radiation and perhaps a very intimate probing with latex gloves….

    • ihateliberals

      This doesn’t make sense or else i’m not reading it right.

      • macjedi

        The quickening escalation of the state intervening into the ‘personal space’ of normal citizens in the name of safety, security and fairness? The laws they (ruling elites) exempt themselves from? The laws that only ‘clobber’ the law abiding while doing little or nothing to the ‘bad guys’ that really threaten us? The bureaucrats carefully crafting more rules and ‘enforcement’ to keep their harems and Federal budgets growing? Sheeple = Sheep + people… a metaphor for the (shrinking, thank GOD) pool of citizens that almost without question obey the letter and spirit of laws/rules designed to do nothing but enforce the will of the masters on the population. Is there not a growing ‘push back’ in response to the new TSA toys/procedures? Do more law/rules make us more free? More secure? More productive and improve what we hand down to our kids? For me, I think we have TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT (TMG).

  • http://www.walkerprise.com kingstonjw

    The TSA has a pretty rotten and thankless job if you think about it. They’ll most certainly be held responsible if something goes wrong and recognition when things go right is fleeting because that is what is expected.

    I personally thought the scanners would be more accepted because it avoids the hands on approach and limits how many people really see anything. And I’m not really concerned about someone seeing my profile…

    But for those who are sensitive about this, what is the reasonable solution? Not scan and Not pat down? I think we have noticed that Islamic terrorists have the ability to become pretty creative in the ways they can sacrifice themselves and kill people…

    • electroncollector

      Yes Islamic terrorists are creative and if one is a good actor they breeze through the TSA inspection with the ability to bring down any plane they fly on.

      Its just like idiot proof…no such thing…there always inventing a better idiot.

      Going to visit family for Thanksgiving, its a 16 hour drive each way but much more preferable than air travel. Flying has never been fun and I just can’t imagine doing it voluntarily anymore and now with the machines and groping I figure you have to be very desperate to fly.

      John

    • davesinsanantonio

      not babies and grandmothers, or even obviously American businessmen traveling as part of their jobs. Compare our record to that of El Al and you will see the efficacy of profiling, and the futility of trying to screen everyone.
      The liberal philosophy is “if it ain’t broke, fix it till it is!”.
      The liberals would rather be wrong than “do nothing”. This mentality which says “we have to do something” creates more problems than it solves, and the problems it creates are usually much worse that the original issue. The Left just refuse to face facts or to understand such things as The Law of Unintended Consequences. Heck, they don’t even understand Murphy’s Law. They don’t even understand basic laws of supply, demand and price. So, intimidating and inconveniencing, even infuriating, our own citizens makes more sense to them than profiling for the very people who are trying to kill us does. What morons!!!

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    Travel by car.

    Skip the bus and the train unless you don’t have a car, or rent a car if you can.

    Here’s an off the wall thought for all the rental companies: How about pushing point to point car pooling discounts? Make it easy for people to look for other people going to the same city and push booking carpools and skip taking a plane… if the drive in total time would be close to the same as flying with a two hour plus window attached to it the rental, gas included is likely going to cost about the same or less and if that is split two or three/four ways etc even less…

  • ihateliberals

    our liberties away. The government is using fear to push the need to full body scans. The problem is that if someone wants to Hijack a Plane, Bus, Train, etc. they have many ways to do it that TSA could not detect. For example you can use a ink pen held tothe throat of a stewardess. Very very simple. Maybe if everyone had to go through a room and strip down and put all their possessions in a container and issued TSA coveralls to fly in and then get their possessions back upon landing that might make hijacking more difficult. It will not take away all the possibilities. If you have ever had survival training you know what i am talking about. We have to stop this insanity. Home Land security is a horrible idea that needs to be stopped. George Bush was a RINO which means he was not a good conservative and he leaned towards the liberals on these types of issues. If we want real security we need to close the Mexico boarder. A Berlin style wall from the Gulf to the Pacific would be a great Idea and would provide many jobs.

    • http://dreamsfrommyforefathers.com RoguePolitics

      That’s right junior bend over for the nice TSA man so we can a ll be secure.

    • tjpeco

      That it was Republicans and Conservatives that started the TSA and gave it this poiwer over us.

      Food for thought.

      • cwilson

        had control of the Senate in 2001, thanks to Jumpin’ Jim Jeffords. With only 49 votes, all the R’s could do is filibuster what the Dems wanted — they couldn’t pass legislation on their own. The Dems required legislation that would “federalize and professionalize” airport security — including union representation — before they would agree to ANY natsec legislation regarding air travel. Their pro-union agenda and desire to grow the fed work force (Yay! Democrat voters!) would brook no deviation, not even after 3000 americans were incinerated by terrorists.

        Don’t blame Republicans and “Conservatives” for the TSA.

        • Raven

          Better to do nothing than to do the wrong thing. DHS and TSA were wrong and harmful. Should have let the Dems block any action with their demands. And should have yelled to the world that that was exactly what the Dems were doing.

          Alas, the GOP isn’t that smart or brave.