« BACK  |  PRINT

RS

MEMBER DIARY

The TSA Opted Out of Opt Out Day

As a follow-up to Erick’s earlier post regarding the theater that has become TSA’s airport security, a Right-Wing Housewife sent us along a report (and video) from an Opt-Out Day protest in Phoenix:

While we were there urging the public to opt out for five hours, the line moved very fast. What we observed was that not one person was asked to go through the machine. We did not see anyone being patted down after going through the gun detector machines either.

So, security was not so tight on Wednesday and nothing bad happened. There also were explosive sniffing dogs there, which is great and much less humiliating than the gropings TSA does. Why do we need these back scatter machines if they were not using them the day a national Opt Out Day was planned?

The media spun the whole Opt Out Day as a failure because the media failed to investigate whether the TSA was using these machines that day and if these ‘enhanced’ pat downs were being done.

Here is the Opt Out Day protest in Phoenix (one of the few places in the country where layers of clothing are not needed the day before Thanksgiving):



While the government searches our bodies without warrant, it has apparently begun seizing property without due process as well [via Drudge]. What is next?

“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.” Indeed.

__________________

“I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes.”  Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

Follow laborunionrpt on Twitter

Tags:

COMMENTS

  • exitsfunnel

    I flew out of Phoenix on Wednesday and they most definitely tried to take a full body image of me (I opted out). In fact, my impression was that people weren’t being chosen randomly but instead that *everyone* was being subjected to the scans. At the very least every single traveler would have to pass through the scanners in order to pass the checkpoint though it’s possible that not everyone was stopped for the image I guess.

    -exits

    • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

      It appears from video that this is terminal four, but it’s been a while since going through the various terminals at Sky Harbor.

      • exitsfunnel

        the terminal number but it was an international flight (bound for Guadalajara, MX) on US Airways.

      • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

        Being upset about privacy concerns is one thing. But the attacks on people’s integrity when you do not have your facts straight is another. If what you were saying were true, don’t you think one of the 45,000 TSA employees might have said something?

        Oh that’s right, I forgot. All government workers are evil and lazy with no real contributions to society, the terrorist threat is not real or diminished by TSA, and any group ruled eligible for unionization must be doubly evil, lazy, and worthless, right? So much for big tent…

        • texasgalt

          but

          http://www.wsbtv.com/news/25911785/detail.html

  • donnybrooke

    Judging the number of people in the terminals from the photos posted over the holidays, it would seem that most did not opt out of scanning or pat-downs, but out of flying!

    I would like to see a total for the number of passengers carried during the Thanksgiving holiday versus the past. Was rail and bus travel up?
    Curious.

    • http://www.defeatobama.com DefeatObama.com

      I happen to live in NYC so I’ll be using the trains more for my trips to D.C.

  • graciegirl

    can be very dangerous. Cousin’s spouse is a pilot…says radiation gets knocked off setting all the time and the people running them as we know are not pros!

    The scanning and pat downs seem to be very inconsistent all over the country!

    And if 53% of ppl decided not to let this change their holiday plans, then 47% did. and in this case that’s a big number. So I would love to know that number too about flying stats.

    Although I am suspicious enough to think o is trying to ruin the airlines now so he can take them over too.

    • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

      Your cousin’s spouse who is a pilot? I’m certain pilots does not calibrate or measure the machines. Pretty sure pilots are not familiar with how frequently the machines are tested. Pretty sure pilots conduct no testing on the machines at all. Government contractors test the machines and perform the required maintenance.

      The radiation does not get “knocked off setting” like spinning a dial or if someone bumps into it. The FDA on the other hand has tested the machines. You get more radiation from your cell phone or in two minutes of air travel than going through the machines.

      • Scope

        Pilots may have nothing to do with the calibration of the scanners, but, they are frequent visitors to airports, and, have much more knowledge of what is actually happening there. Weren’t the pilots the first to protest the radiation from the scanners? Haven’t they been the first to bring lawsuits against the scanners? It should be pretty obvious that since Nepolitano quickly backed down from the pilot screens, they have some credibility.

        As you say, government contractors are in charge of the machines. That should scare the crap out of you.

        It may be that the FDA has approved the scanners, but, they don’t exactly have a stellar record at this time. How many drugs have been taken off the market recently? Don’t remember the drug name but, they only very recently took a drug off the market that was taken off the market in the UK years ago because of it’s negative effects. The FDA is nothing more than a shadow of what they once represented.

        As a former Catholic, having gone through all of the Catholic requirements as a child, I do have some questions about your tagline- “If you want peace, work for justice.” Justice is what is ruining the United States as we have known it. The US has been the most generous nation on earth, for more years than I can remember. Jesus taught personal charity, and the giving of that charity from the individual soul, not the collective souls of the nation. He judges each on their own, not the country as a whole. The current Pope has been a vast and incredible disapointment for me. That is why I am a former Catholic. He has bought into Socialism, and not only with the open borders policy.

        • acat

          … who may have a very clear understanding of radiation and associated devices… The career also doesn’t attract people who tend to fly off the handle.

          I wondered, when I first heard the pilot union protest, whether any of ‘em had kept or obtained dosimeters and done their own checks on the pornoscanners. Wouldn’t surprise me if one or more pilots had the hardware and decided to check….

          Mew

        • http://electionsanalysis.blog.com paint_it_red

          You completely lost me. You seem to be making a religious argument here, but I’m really not clear how it connects at all to the thread at hand. “Justice is what is ruining the United States” means what exactly? Justice means giving each their due. Not socialism. And no, the current Pope does not advocate socialism. His writings are very conservative. Nowhere does he say government must redistribute wealth.

          If you are defining credibility as the pilots who don’t have anything to do with the machines, and if you assume the opposite of what the FDA is saying as true because of some drug that had been on the market in the UK, then I guess there is nothing I can say that will persuade you.

          Pilots were allowed to not go through security because the pilots had a really good point – that if they are allowed to fly the planes and bring guns in the cockpit then it made little sense to scan them for explosives. Not because they had secret knowledge about radiation levels. I’ll grant they are a well educated group who are in tune with most everything aviation related, but that does not mean they have expertise over something they have no involvement in whatsoever. If one has a dosimeter to back up such a claim, that would be another matter.

          • Scope

            To imply that the scanners are safe, because the FDA approved them is foolish. The current make-up of the FDA is in the tank for Obama, and they don’t have a stellar record with respect to drug approval over the many years. There are warnings everywhere that to expose yourself to radiation for CAT scans, dental x-rays etc. more often than is absolutely necessary, can have an impact on your future health from the radiation. So we are warned not to expose ourselves to more radiation than is necessary, yet, the same government is exposing the public to radiation that they are warning against in healthcare issues. It’s not just pilots and flight attendants, it also exposes the frequent fliers to the same amount of radiation.

            It appears that the current crop of TSA employees, some 67,000 at this time, are not radiation technologists, by any stretch of the imagination. I seriously doubt that a former McDonalds worker is qualified to monitor the scanners, let alone maintain them, if the reports of maintenance are true. Then again the maintenance workers may in fact be those represented by the Scanner manufacturers, Rapidscan, that have a vested interest in the scanners, which is actually worse.

            The pilots in fact did have a valid point in their rejection of having to be screened, because they are allowed to carry, but the constant exposure to radiation was an equally valid concern. Perhaps the TSA regs were so premature that they didn’t even consider what the pilots concerns may be, or, the frequent fliers.

            As to my paragraph about religion, yup, you are correct, it wasn’t appropriate to this diary. I happened to see one of the quotes in your sig line. As to your reply to those comments, I so totally disagree that the Pope has been conservative, it is pathetic. The Pope is a Socialist no matter how much you want to deny that. Again, I believe in teaching a man to fish, rather than providing him with his fish each day. I grew up hearing sermons about individual charity, and the church steps in to help those that are needy. I never was exposed to preaching about countries and societies redistributing wealth. When they got involved in politics, that’s when I said bye bye. This should convince you that the Pope has definitely gone political, and global-

            http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=15054

          • Read Chesterton

            Read the encyclical. All of it. Then get back to me.

          • Scope

            and that is where my statements come from. It clearly states that the Catholic church must be involved in governmental politics, in order to promote the “common good.” The church has no business in getting involved in politics. The Catholic church should be involved in nothing more than preaching the word of God, and the goodness and charity of each person. Each person is judged on judgement day, not the collective good of the society. That’s what Obama believes. That’s what the faux catholic organizations, started and funded by Soros, such as Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good have been preaching. According to them, if you redeem yourself with promoting the common good, you can support democrats, even those that believe that abortion is OK. Their meme is that if we reduce poverty, and make everyone financially equal, then abortions will be less frequent. Right. I may be a former Catholic, but, it doesn’t mean that I don’t keep up with their positions.

          • Read Chesterton

            faux catholic organizations, started and funded by Soros, such as Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good have been preaching

            Sadly, the Soros gambit of propping up “faux catholic” groups to undermine church teaching and authority has been working… on people like you who blame the Church for their presence and bail; rather than find out what’s going on in the church to counter the radical left and join the fight.

            It’s safe to say that no pope has ever been more feared and reviled by the left than Benedict XVI. They hate him more than they hate Sara Palin. You claim his words make him a collectivist, a Global Socialist. I disagree. B XVI makes the case, like many here at RS, that state sponsored Crony Capitalism is sending the world careening to the edge of a Fascist precipice that rivals communism in its disregard for the rights of the individual. If that’s Marxist talk, then we have Marxists posting right here in Redstate City. B XVI’s documented public actions as I laid out show exactly the opposite character of any flavor of socialist. So either B XVI is a hypocrite and a liar, or you are reading him through some seriously hate colored glasses.

            If the orthodox Calvinist up-thread has the clarity and charity to see my point and give B XVI his due as honest and God loving, you might want to give some heartfelt thought as to where all that anti-Catholic bile of yours is really coming from.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            First of all, an orthodox Calvanist recognizes that God deals with people groups as well as individuals. There’s not really enough else to go on, but not everyone that leaves the RCC becomes a Calvanist, and the vast majority of evangelical Christians are not Calvanists.

          • Goldwater_Conservative

            my response which is down thread but still a reply to the original message. I’m not really sure what you are talking about with people groups. The main divergence between calvinism and catholicism lies in the soverienty of God. Calvinist would say man is totally depraved and that God, throught the Holy Spirit, must draw us to Him while Catholics would say that Christ did His part but we must also live a good life to do our part.

            What I was saying is that Benedict knows what his church stands on and he knows where the lines are drawn in the sand as opposed to John Paul who seemed to be more interested in making the church more popular to everyone at the expense of its tradition. While I dont agree with Benedict’s beliefs, I respect his orthodox stand. A Catholic should know what that means and believe in it and act like it.

          • Read Chesterton

            A Catholic should know what that means and believe in it and act like it.

            I pray that more of us do. More of us – as with many mainstream protestants – seem to be eating from the tree of secularism these days. But, like most orthodox Calvinist churches (I used to be OPC) the Catholic Church’s teachings haven’t changed with the times. Even if it seems that some “leaders” have. They will pass. But the Church, as the bible teaches, will still be there.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            What I was saying about people groups is that God deals with individuals as well as groups. “Households” were saved, “Nations” were punished, etc

            As for Benedict, I’m glad he’s cleaned some things up there.

          • Goldwater_Conservative

            I dont think that would be something at all unique to Calvinsim. Any group that professes to believe to Bible would have to say (after reading the old testament) that God judges nations and groups including his own (the children of israel).

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            to Calvanism, but many (I would argue the majority) evangelicals would deny that is still the case today. That’s all I really intend to say here on this matter.

          • Read Chesterton

            I said nothing to offend anyone’s faith.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            I didn’t know if you were someone that sees a calvanist under every rock, or were reading something that I wasn’t seeing.

          • Goldwater_Conservative

            its actually just down the tread and from me:

            Yeah
            Goldwater_Conservative Sunday, November 28th at 9:31PM EST (link)
            I

          • Read Chesterton

            Sorry about the up/downthread confusion, I lost my place.

        • Read Chesterton

          The current Pope has been a vast and incredible disapointment for me. That is why I am a former Catholic. He has bought into Socialism, and not only with the open borders policy.

          Men will disappoint. 100% guaranteed. But to accuse Benedict XVI – the pope who flushed the gays from the seminaries, went to ecclesiastic war with the state sponsored “catholic churches” of China, Russia, and Vietnam, openly called our Islam on its logical and theological contradictions, and removed the socialist Liberation Theologists from their seats at the Vatican’s academic table – is to show multi-dimensional ignorance of epic proportions.

          And besides, the accusation being an off topic attack against the liberal foil almost constitutes a threadjack.

          • Goldwater_Conservative

            I’m am very much a Protestant and even more so a Calvinist, so I’m Theoligically speaking on the other side of the fence. But as far as a Pope goes, I have always and still do, respect Benedict for his very clear and very traditional stances he has taken. He knows what the Catholic Church stands for and he stands on that, and for that I can at least repsect him.

          • Scope

            and you are entitled to it. I only linked one article, written by a “father” that prtetty much spells out where the pope is on the redistribution issues. If you want more, go back and read Encyclical 35, it spells out the same positions. The Pope is a Socialist, and, when I realized the Catholic church started getting involved in “politics” it was too much for me. As I said, Christ was more so of the belief that when you teach a man to fish, he will eat for a long time, but, when you give a man a fish, he will become dependent on that handout. I am of the belief that charity comes from the heart, from each individual. and that is what makes the man. Got that, coming from each individual man to one another. The US has been very generous with their foreign aide to other poor countries. We have given more dollars to Africa, for their poverty and starvation, which really does exist, than probably any other nation. Are they less starving despite the monetary donations? NO. The US has given more in dollars and medical research for AIDS, is the incidence of AIDS in Africa less significant now after all that money, NO. Look at what the US did with the disaster in Haiti, not only our government donations, but, as a people we cared very deeply for the plight of the Haitians and many, myself included donated for their cause.

            It may be that the Pope believes it is the fraility of each human, that they should give most of what they earn to those amongst us that earn far little, and, the people of this country have proven over and over that Americans are the most generous of any in the world. It is socialistic to believe that we should take from the wealth creators, those that provide jobs in small numbers small or large, strip them of any profit, only to give it to those, that have unfortunatly lost their Christ like way of working for what they get, rather than taking what they can.

            Your argument speaks of a person that willfully ignores what the words, in plain english, from the Pope, who more than denigrates the capitalistic system, because it makes the rich richer, and the poor in other third world countries poorer. Who in the hell has tried, for many more than a few years to induce the poorer, third world countries to invigorate, and educate those third world countries people to become much more productive in taking care of their own personal needs with growing crops to feed themselves. Who in the hell has gone into third world countries to educate the people on sanitation, infrastructure etc to teach those people how to not just maintain life, but, how to establish healthy communities. The Catholic church, who has been losing supporters, many of them over the years, is now relying on whole governments and countries political systems to support every human in the world. You’ve seen how the open borders policy, in the US, has decimated our economy, just so we can feed and house, and provide medical care to anyone who crosses the border. The Pope is understandably anti-war, but, he makes it the US position that we can’t allow these poor souls from Mexico to be a product of their government policies that do nothing to provide a country safe from the slaughter of the druggies. How about he makes some statements denigrating the Mexican government system, and, demands that the Mexican government clean up their act for their citizens. Huh, how about he gets really strong on denouncing the violence in Mexico. The Mexicans are strongly Catholic, many of the South American countries are strongly Catholic. How about making strong statements about the governments in those countries. It would be much more Christ-like if he did that rather than to beg any country with any wealth to give and give, and then give more. I haven’t proofed this comment, I’m letting it fly, typos and all. You are naive to believe that the Pope is anything more than a redistributionist globalist socialist.

          • Scope

            because Unions take care of their people. Isn’t that a kicker in support of the current regime in Washington?

      • graciegirl

        do you want the person you did your valet parking to run the machine?
        Has it not been known for decades that machines should be run by technical people because the amount of radiation received can be dangerous?

        I should have had more facts in my comment (which I will try to get asap) but in the meantime if your want you and yours to go through those machines have at it! The government has proven time and time again just how dangerous it can be. The FDA gave women hormones when they shouldn’t have, now bone RX’s are causing serious problems. You have to look out for yourself in this world.

        And look to see who is making money from those scanners.

        • acat

          Between the 1930s and 1950s, before the nastier effects of radiation were understood, fluoroscopes were downright commonplace, used for every little thing including properly fitting shoes. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoe-fitting_fluoroscope) Nifty little contraptions. …

          Really not seeing why, especially for frequent travelers, this isn’t more of an issue…

          Mew

        • Scope

          in a dentist office, going out of the room, when they hit the button to make the image. I think about the mammographers also leaving the room when the image is recorded. I think about the chest x-ray people leaving the room when they hit the button to create the x-ray. The full body scanner people that are producing the scans are supposedly in another room. They are protected, but, the people that fly several times a week are not, if they are consistently targeted for scans. You’ve brought up a good argument.

      • Menlo

        Who’s to say there is not some yet-to-be-discovered matter or energy that the machines emit? Perhaps there are long-term effects on the body not yet discovered.

        In those cases, testing won’t do much good.

        • JSobieski

          But you raise a good point.

          I myself have often wondered the following:

          What if one of the numerous ubiquitous wireless technologies triggers significant bad health effects only after extended exposure?

          Say like 30 years?

  • izoneguy

    http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos105.htm

    Licensure.

    Federal legislation protects the public from the hazards of unnecessary exposure to medical and dental radiation by ensuring that operators of radiologic equipment are properly trained.

    However, it is up to each State to require licensure of radiologic technologists. Most States require licensure for practicing radiologic technologists. Licensing requirements vary by State; for specific requirements contact your State

  • Scope

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/11/20101116211244546623.html

    This would be funny, coming from Al Jazzera, if it wasn’t so true. The UK already tried the body scanners and determined that they are little more than useless. I love the way they say some people have gotten very rich by supporting these devices, subsidized by the Obama admin, and, pushed by the former Bush goon Chertoff. The more information that comes out, the more complicit “I” find the W admin. to be in the insanity that now exists.

  • GregInFla

    I have flown this month in Orlando (two different terminals) Chicago O’Hare, and Washington Reagan National, and have not been subjected to anything other than the traditional metal detector. But Phoenix has scanners on ALL terminals there. Is Arizona being penalized again?