…And, So It Begins: The Public-Sector Ponzi Scheme is Collapsing


Public-sector unions' house of cards is about to come tumbling down.

You’ve been hearing for quite a while now that public-sector unions are a threat to the economic survival of the United States. With an estimated unfunded liability of up to $3 trillion (and perhaps much more), public-sector pensions are a noose around the neck of America’s taxpayers and it is threatening to strangle the nation.

More specifically, you’ve been hearing that the expensive wage and benefits packages that union-bought Democrats have given to their union benefactors could collapse our economy. The question is, can we stop it before it it too late, or at a minimum, contain the damage?

Well, little by little, signs are showing that, in some cases, the public-sector house of cards is already starting to fall.

Chicago’s Mayor Daley Discusses Bankruptcy For City Pensions

Mayor Daley is begging Governor Quinn for pension reform.

Quinn now has on his desk a bill that would allow state to withhold sales tax and income tax revenue from cities that won’t do more to fund their pension plans.

Property taxes will have to go up for cities to meet their pension obligations and that is on top of a massive income tax hike that governor Quinn campaigned for.

Daley, aldermen ask Quinn to veto pension measure

The Chicago Tribune reports Daley, aldermen ask Quinn to veto pension measure

Mayor Richard Daley this afternoon expressed his frustration with the city’s pension situation, suggesting that the retirement funds need to be fixed before leaders are forced to declare them bankrupt as a way to restructure.

Speaking on a Global Metro Summit panel at the University of Illinois-Chicago with Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter and Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, Daley at first appeared to indicate that allowing the pensions to go bankrupt so they could be reorganized was something he believes could happen.

“I’m one who believes that pension funds can go bankrupt and then you reorganize, and that’s the hardest thing to say,” Daley said.

Moderator Richard Stengel, managing editor of Time Magazine, then asked Daley: “Let them go bankrupt?”

“Yes, and then you reorganize it,” Daley replied.

In Rhode Island, it has just reached critical mass, as public-sector unions bring a city to “financial ruin.”

You may remember Central Falls, Rhode Island. It made news earlier this year, when the school district fired all of the teachers at Central Falls High School for their miserable record teaching the students, then rehired them a little while later. Well, Central Falls is back in the news and the news is not pretty.

Receiver to city: Financial ruin near

The city’s financial problems are so profound that the only way to solve them is through a merger with Pawtucket or a regionalization of city services, the state-appointed receiver said in a report Thursday to the Carcieri administration.

Central Falls, in my judgment, cannot remain a stand-alone community as it presently is, unless the state wants to subsidize this into the future,” said retired Superior Court judge Mark A. Pfeiffer, the man appointed by the state Department of Administration in July to run the city, with elected government officials in advisory roles, after those officials had earlier declared the city insolvent.

[snip]

The crisis in Central Falls has been growing for more than a decade, Pfeiffer said. City administrations approved municipal employee contracts Central Falls could not afford and kept giving out pension and retirement benefits without figuring how to pay for them, and now the funds are running out of money. That situation was exacerbated over the years by municipal officials who ignored it when it was manageable and only reacted when it was too late.

The State of Rhode Island has long been a swirling cesspool of union domination. Now, though, the ponzi-scheme of union giveaways is about to swallow one town and the state’s taxpayers may have to eat the costs.

While these are city pensions, states’ liabilities run much higher. Taxpayers in California, whose pension obligations are staggering, are already on the hook for nearly $60,000 per Los Angeles household and more than $76,000 per San Francisco household—money that is needed just to pay pensions of municipal and state workers’ pensions.

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While it is ironic that Californians just voted to re-seat the man that saddled California with public-sector bargaining to the office of governor, Jerry Brown will now be facing the mess that he helped create. However, as more municipalities and states struggle with the overwhelming debt that union bosses created, as it did when California’s Orange County went bankrupt in the mid-90s, this threatens the entire municipal bond market on a much more significant scale.

While there are no easy fixes to the public-pension crisis, the problem, as former SEC Chairman Aurthur Levitt notes, cannot be put off any longer. If it is, the outcome could be disastrous:

If investors discover that the market has instead become a way to paper over irresponsible promises, they will flee it. And no state, county, or local government will be spared the damage that follows.

The problem is, it has already begun. Now, the question is, do the politicians have the fortitude to deal with this problem before it collapses our entire economy, or will the public-pension Ponzi scheme take the entire nation down?

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Decatur Illinois

anacreon (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 3:47PM EDT (link)

In 2011, 70% of property taxes will go towards pensions.

http://herald-review.com/news/local/article_7950f4d4-d789-50b4-987b-ef8b58f7080d.html

www.downstateiladvocate.com

 

Muni bonds have yet to increase dramatically

talgus Saturday, December 18th at 4:28PM EDT (link)

Perhaps they just will not sell at all. I will not buy bonds from Democrat run cities. Get your $$ from Soros and Hollyweird.

They will

wonkish1 (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 4:34PM EDT (link)

And the monoline insurers insuring those munibonds will start jacking their cost of insuring them. And its quite likely that many of those that insure muni bonds could collapse if defaults were to start to rise.

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If they do, I suspect it will only be briefly

The_Gadfly (Diary) Sunday, December 19th at 7:06AM EDT (link)

and then the market collapses the same way the MBS market did and for essentially the same reasons. The MBS market survived for as long as it did because nobody knew the Emporer had no clothes. With the collapse of the MBS market, people now know to look for that. The liabilities for pensions are so large that the funding of them can only be solved as a theoretical exercise. When you try to implement the tax rates to fund the solutions, the communities collapse.

 
 
 

I Think One Of Paul Ryan's

wonkish1 (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 4:32PM EDT (link)

Biggest legislative priorities in the upcoming congress is a bill that creates bankruptcy provisions for states, municipalities, and most likely pension funds like these.

We are going to send the message to Dems that we are not bailing out Blue states, blue cities, and stupid government decisions. They either sign onto bankruptcy provisions for these bodies or they will be in legal limbo when the day comes.

It is another example, of something they will be forced to sign onto.

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Bankruptcy for states doesn't make sense

scorpio0679 (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 8:41PM EDT (link)

Leaving aside the question of whether it is constitutionally permissible for the federal government to govern a state “bankruptcy” for a minute . . .

Bankruptcy provisions for a state would be just another way for politicians to dodge the bullet of responsibility. A state is a sovereign entity and as such can only sue or be sued on the terms that it sets (or on terms under federal law, such as section 1983 of the U.S. Code). If pensions are ruining the state’s fiscal health, rewrite the terms. A state can be contractually held to a pension plan to the same degree that the federal government can be forced contractually to pay social security benefits . . . that is, it can’t be.

Cities are a different story. But for states, there should not be any easy way out (i.e., bankruptcy). Disallowing public sector unions would go a long way to fixing this problem.

I Think He

wonkish1 (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 9:16PM EDT (link)

Is talking about a way to force a state to make tough choices without them being able to kick the can down the road when doing so when a state as clearly gotten to the point that no longer can be done.

Clearly some form of mechanism needs to kick in when that moment in time happens otherwise you start risking a situation where a state can screw up so badly that it can never get itself out of its whole without default on its debt which I don’t think we are going to allow.

By Bankruptcy, I believe Ryan means a way to not allow any haircuts on state debt and force legislators to chance their laws. That is what he is talking about.

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For a municipality, I think "bankruptcy"

kestrel (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 10:36PM EDT (link)

means they are forced to file for state receivership, which empowers a court-appointed receiver to “do what the City itself could not do, put its finances in order, among other ways by renegotiating union contracts.” This is how they “rewrite the terms” on the municipal level. I would think there would be some equivalent for a state.

In Central Falls, RI, “Public sector unions… won a huge victory… with the signing into law of legislation denying municipalities the ability to file for state receivership as a means of renegotiating unsustainable union contracts.” This makes me guess that Ryan is writing legislation *requiring* receivership when debts, including pensions, are unsustainable — just the opposite of what Central Falls’ Dem legislature did.

These quotes are from Professor Jacobsen. He explains this whole business well for laymen, including the fact that the fear of a domino effect, whereby “everybody” renegotiates union pensions, is mitigated by the fact that the credit rating of the “bankrupt” entity is ruined, apparently just as in a personal bankruptcy. I don’t know if this helps. I’m not a financial type.

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/06/unions-rescued-in-rhode-island.html

 

I read a proposal recently regarding bankrupt states

Finrod (Diary) Sunday, December 19th at 1:14PM EDT (link)

The idea is that states that go bankrupt are busted down to territory status, the entire state government is thrown out, and then Congress can readmit that territory as one or more states. I think it’s a great idea,myself.

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That would require a constitutional amendment . . . but is a good proposal

scorpio0679 (Diary) Sunday, December 19th at 7:04PM EDT (link)
 
 
 

God bless Paul Ryan --nt

kestrel (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 10:38PM EDT (link)
 
 

And Federal employees down the road?

johnt Saturday, December 18th at 5:25PM EDT (link)

Starve them, fat cats, guaranteed employment, pensions like no other.
Civil Service really has changed, it comes with corruption.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

In 1998, the WSJ warned NJ pensions would eat up

renny (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 6:18PM EDT (link)

75% of the NJ budget. They haven’t yet, but they surely soon will, as the state cannot even afford to make its contribution toward pensions and balance the budget, as required by the NJ Constitution.

And I want to dispel a misconception that all public pensions are “free” to retired public employees. In NJ, police, fire, and teachers employers (townships or boards of ed) contribute 1/3 to the pension fund per employee, each employee contributes 1/3 to his/her own pension, and the state is SUPPOSED to contribute another 1/3. Since the dot-com collapse of the stock market and big losses to the pension funds, the state has not maintained its obligation to contribute its share.

Also, in NJ, maybe not in NY State, retired teachers, police, and fire pay state and federal taxes on their pensions.

 

One of the not too talked about results of the midterms

tedglover (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 7:08PM EDT (link)

Is that with a Republican H of R, there will be no federal bailouts of states that are in danger of default, like Illinois and California.

Had the Dems retained control of both houses, I think it would be a foregone coclusion that would have happened.

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Possibly…and Sadly…a False Sense of Certainty

ntrepid (Diary) Saturday, December 18th at 10:41PM EDT (link)

You may be too generous with the word “think” in the second paragraph. Crazy Aunt Nancy never saw a check she wouldn’t write.

Unfortunately, the phasing “…there will be no…” in your first paragraph with respect to state bailouts under the Republican controlled House strikes me as a bit overconfident. Don’t get me wrong, I hope you are correct but…well; just don’t be surprised when….

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Caption for Tax Rate Extension Signing Ceremony

russonline Saturday, December 18th at 7:10PM EDT (link)

You gotta give credit to those Republican bomb-throwers and hostage-takers. They sure know how to craft and advance a tax package that 70% of American voters love … while improving YOUR poll ratings.

 

What's great is..

victrola Saturday, December 18th at 7:55PM EDT (link)

states can’t “print” their own money, so you can’t just keep kicking this can down the road like you can with federal entitlements. There is at least a semblance of accountability with state budgets.

It WILL come to a head, and quickly, the question is, how will all of this go down?

Don’t think for a minute that Unions and Democrats are going to be proactive about getting their fiscal house in order, they won’t accept a single cut, it’s going to have to explode first.

 

Most of the worst problems, those nearing Zero Hour

Adjoran (Diary) Sunday, December 19th at 2:18AM EDT (link)

are in deep “Blue” states. The rest of the country is in no mood to bail out their excessive public pensions, which are in so many cases laughably generous.

Like federal action to “bail out” most industries, it at best could postpone the day of reckoning, but that day cannot be avoided eventually for all.

There's not going to be nearly

lockemadison (Diary) Sunday, December 19th at 9:12AM EDT (link)

enough votes in the House to pass any state bailout (without significant strings attached). But even if there were, there’s not going to be close to 60 votes to bring it to the Senate floor. Still something needs to be worked out. I don’t think Democrats will want this as an issue in 2012.

LM

Yeah Anything

wonkish1 (Diary) Monday, December 20th at 8:58AM EDT (link)

Drawing attention to the fact that all of the most indebted crapshoot states are the most blue ones, isn’t exactly a longterm political winner for the Dems.

More like a longterm boil on the face of Dem policy.

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Our Virginia Governor

Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 19th at 7:54AM EDT (link)

is proposing that all state workers contribute 5% toward their pension plans. I believe that he had already required that all state workers had to contribute something like 2% toward their medical insurance. There was a surplus in the budget this year, and the Gov. promised the state workers a 3% Christmas bonus out of the surplus. The pension funds were not funded, and that is why there was as much of a surplus. He said the bonus was in lieu of getting raises this year, and next year. Then he announced the 5% contribution requirements. It works out that the state workers will actually be getting a 2% decrease in their pay. There were also cuts in education funding, and some teachers had to be laid off. He also laid off about 1,200 state workers, and is not done yet. I believe I have the above correct, if not, someone can correct me. I suspect that he will soon be hated by the leeches as much as Chris Christie is hated by his leeches.

 

State Pensions and Health Plans

exitsfunnel Sunday, December 19th at 1:53PM EDT (link)

I recently saw David Walker, former US Comptroller General, current President and CEO of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, give a talk (televised on CSPAN) to the Chamber of Commerce which gave an overview of exactly how dire the situation is.

Here’s the to the broadcast; it’s 39 minutes well spent:

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/294838-1

In my mind, agenda item number one for the new GOP House should be to act proactively to assure that a federal bailout of the states is off of the table altogether.

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If a house of cards collapses and nobody hears it, is there an affect?

southcoast Monday, December 20th at 8:51AM EDT (link)

Given many, a lot, of public employees can retire early, in their mid to late 40′s in some cases, these same individuals are allowed to re-enter the government work force again this time in the pursuit of a second pension. This is not double dipping, it is gluttony. Given the degree of waste, fraud and corruption committed over the decades by these people, the prospect of it collapsing is a prospect I look forward to optimistically. I say let these structures collapse. We know where they will fall and like felling a tree, once you see the trunk sway, stand back.

 

my new mantra...

robp (Diary) Monday, December 20th at 10:09AM EDT (link)

ALL liberalism is a ponzi scheme.

Liberalism isn't a ponzi scheme...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Monday, December 20th at 7:25PM EDT (link)

That’s just how you fund it.

Liberalism/Progressivism is a Lie.

Which is the primary reason “No Labels” was created. The American electorate got a good look at Liberalism/Progressivism in action, really up-close and personal. They voted accordingly.

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Please explain to me why the libs

Warrior (Diary) Monday, December 20th at 6:11PM EDT (link)

cannot trot out the old “Too BIG to Fail” mantra with respect to CA and other large states in order to demand a bailout. You know how it will go, “CA has the world’s fifth largest economy” (or whatever) and if it fails, Johnnie McSwaymore, a cotton picker in Alabama and his family of nine, will lose their jobs and go on the poverty rolls, creating yet another burden, etc, etc, blah, blah…”

And, since I’m not a “financial guy” either, please explain how we will stop the feds from closing down popular programs for working people, like subsidized college loans (from private banks), the Natl Park Service and the VA, while leaving intact the vile NPR, CPB, Dept of Ed, etc, etc.

We’ve all seen it play out at the local level. Say the populace of a certain city is so stubborn as to balk at more tax hikes for local schools. Do the local schools then dutifully get rid of expensive but hardly necessary middle mgt and other support type people? Of course not. The first thing they holla that must go is the football program, followed by the band, then the special science charter schools, etc, etc…well, you get the idea.

The federal unions will seek revenge on an “ungrateful” electorate by cutting out passport services and public parks, while triple dippers and others with an insider’s familiarity with the gubmint continue to prosper. Please explain….

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The Difference Is

wonkish1 (Diary) Monday, December 20th at 6:36PM EDT (link)

that it wont fail. If a government wiped out all the public sector pensions, 90% of its funding x, y, or z. It wouldn’t fail. And it could still meet its interest payments on its bonds.

That’s the difference between a company and a government. A company needs customers, a government has forced “customers” aka people to take money from.

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The Problem Is That

wonkish1 (Diary) Monday, December 20th at 6:38PM EDT (link)

Governments don’t want to find the political will to cut things, so many times they will try to devalue their way out of it which a state can’t do. The next alternative is for them to default on their bonds, but then they can’t borrow anymore which tends to force change. But then if the GOP removes their ability to default on bonds then they are just forced to come up with the political will, they don’t have a choice.

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Thanks wonk, but

Warrior (Diary) Tuesday, December 21st at 9:24AM EDT (link)

I can see the headlines now: “GOP cuts pensions for thousands of elderly”

I hope we can withstand the blowback.

And this is exactly why we need to lose with true Republicans and not win with RINO’s. Because when the the heat comes, only the pure will survive (with their ideological principles intact)…

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