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The UAW Ultimatum: Let us in or we’ll huff and we’ll puff and tear your house down…

First, came the Japanese—Datsun, Toyota and Honda. Then, came the Germans—Mercedes and BMW. Then others came as well. Each foreign competitor having taken more and more of the UAW’s slice of the pie. Somewhere along the way, it finally dawned on the UAW’s leaders that foreign imports were cleaning their clock—and, worst of all, setting up their own UAW-free shops right in the union’s own backyard. By then, though, it was too late.

After years of trying to beat back the threat of foreign automakers, the UAW finally resigned itself to the fact that they are here to stay.  That realization, however, came at the heavy price of lost members by the tens of thousands and a bleak financial picture for the future (with or without tax-payer funded bailouts). As a result, the shareholders of General Motors and Chrysler (the UAW) have become more determined than ever to unionize the U.S. auto plants owned by Asian and German car companies. That determination, though, poses a significant challenge for the UAW: After demonizing the foreign car companies for so many years, how can the UAW convince their employees join the union?

Well, in answer to that, the UAW’s newly-anointed top boss, Bob King, believes he’s got the right approach which encompasses both a carrot and a stick.

First, the carrot: We’re here to help…

According to the UAW’s Bob King, the Union of Ailing Workplaces UAW has a better story to tell these days:

King said the UAW has a better story to tell transplant workers today than it had over several decades of failed efforts to organize those workers.

UAW-represented hourly workers have been instrumental in the quality and productivity gains that the Detroit 3 have made in recent years, positioning their products to compete globally, King said.

The UAW also was first to the table to make concessions and sacrifices that have helped Ford Motor Co.General Motors Co. and Chrysler Group to emerge from the financial crisis of 2008 and 2009, he said.

Those concessions equate to between $7,000 and $30,000 per worker, King has said. The UAW now represents about 120,000 hourly workers at the Detroit 3, down several fold from even a decade ago because of plant closings and buyouts.

In other words, Bob King is promising that, if the foreign-owned automakers open up their plants to the UAW, he can help with productivity and quality gains. However, if that doesn’t help, he will also lead the way on worker concessions. Now, while that carrot may sound sweet, it isn’t necessarily an engendering message to the UAW’s own members, or to the employees of the foreign-owned car companies.

However, if the carrot doesn’t work, then Bob King appears ready to use the stick known as race-baiting.

In July, the United Auto Workers’ teamed up with Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow/PUSH coalition to launch a “campaign for social and economic justice.”

“We’re gonna be out there in the streets demanding social and economic justice for all working families, all workers, in this country and around the world,” King said at an event kicking off the campaign in Detroit.

Then, in August, the top UAW boss issued his “shame campaign” ultimatum to non-union employers that was tantamount to making them an offer they couldn’t refuse. The UAW, King said, was unilaterally drafting a set of guiding principles that he expected companies to sign on to. If they refused, there would be h*ll to pay.

…[W]e are crafting a set of guidelines called the UAW Principles for Fair Union Elections. These principles are being adapted from guidelines developed by the labor/management Institute for Employee Choice. They include requirements such as equal access to the employees for both union and management and prohibition of making derogatory, insulting or untruthful statements about the other party.

[snip]

Our position is that we will demand that companies respect the rights of their workers to decide freely whether or not to join the UAW.  If companies violate workers’ rights, if companies take vicious anti-union actions, we will expose those companies in any and every way we can until they agree to respect workers’ rights and to rectify their anti-union actions.

[snip]

If companies choose not to respect the rights of American workers – whether those companies are American or foreign-owned – then the UAW will use every resource at our disposal to convince those companies to abide by our democracy. [Emphasis added.]

Now that January is nearly upon him, King’s allies are gearing up for their role in the fight.

When UAW President Bob King launches the union’s organizing drive of Asian and German automakers next month, he is counting on help from his friends.

Civil rights leader Jesse Jackson said last week that he was eager to hear from King on how his Rainbow PUSH coalition can serve the cause. The organization has thousands of members and supporters in 50 major U.S. markets.

The Detroit chapter of the NAACP is ready to help. Even small unions such as the Farm Labor Organizing Committee for migrant farm workers will turn out volunteers to leaflet, make phone calls or demonstrate if King asks, said Baldemar Velasquez, president of the union, which is based in Toledo, Ohio.

With the future of his union at stake, the UAW’s Bob King, appears ready to stoop to pretty low levels in order to “shame” the transplants into unionization, including deploying race-baiting tactics.

However, the one good thing about this whole vulgar display of union desperation is the fact that King has broadcast his intent so broadly that any attack on the workforces of the foreign-owned auto plants should be viewed with a sense of skepticism.

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  • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Socrates

    Employees in Tennessee know why they have jobs. It’s because the unions killed Detroit.

    They know why plants in other industries continue to close when the unions go on strike. It’s because there are people in Tennessee (and Mexico and China) willing to work when unions are not.

    People know that unions reward the slacker and the jaw-jaw types, rather than the nose-to-the-grindstone workers.

    Face it, unions. Your time in the sun is past.

  • neomom

    Almost all of these plants are in Right to Work states…

    The UAW has tried to unionize these plants already and failed.

    Now the “carrot” is… “Hey we ran these companies into the ground, but gave concessions when forced with that or having the company fold and everyone losing their jobs”

    or

    “You are all racists!”

    Sure, that will work. Good luck with that.

    • edintexas

      I’m sort of confused by this union push. Since these plants are (almost all?) in Right to Work states (as neomom pointed out), the employees may not be required to pay dues in order to work in the plants. Does the UAW think they can convince all the employees to fork over their hard earned cash? Might the UAW win an election under the rigged rules of the current DoL regime, and then have little income from the bargaining unit? It is certainly possible. And employees, if they don’t see a benefit from the union, can drop out. Is the UAW counting on the Federal Taxpayer continuing to support their pension and health plans while using them as sales points for representation?

      • howardbeale

        It did not gain much momentum, but in October Brad Sherman (D-CA) introduced legislation that would end RTW:

        http://biggovernment.com/laborunionreport/2010/10/04/breaking-democrat-introduces-legislation-to-end-right-to-work-states/

        • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

          http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2010/10/04/breaking-democrat-introduces-legislation-to-end-right-to-work-states/

          • howardbeale
  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/ reaganiterepublicanresistance

    This bit comes straight from Team Obama

    • http://www.redstate.com/etcartman Kenny Solomon

      …… I think we should let The Farkle Family present The UAW with the Fickle Finger Of Fate and then say ‘Good Night, Dick” as we watch – and assist – the union movement as a whole sock it to itself from within.

      • smagar
        • edintexas

          Try Rowan and Martin’s Laugh In TV show.

  • NeoKong

    It would be cheaper just to close up shop, fire everyone and move to Mexico.
    Didn’t Toyota close a joint venture plant with GM in Fremont CA. this year….?
    Wasn’t it their only unionized plant ?

    • eastbaylarry

      closed because of the GM Bailout which alloowed GM to renege on its’ part of the deal. Toyota could not afford to run the whole plant for its’ half of production.

  • Deskpilot

    watching and cheering from the sidelines. A blind eye turned from every negative action by the UAW/PUSH theives, while bringing to bear the full weight and threat of the frderal gov’t on the target companies.

    Mark my words, if at first they don’t succed at the direct attck, they will then move to the state houses to get them to change the work plan to closed shop state. They will pressure incumebts or find replacement candidates and finance their election.

    • audax

      …Republican Governers and State Legislatures Like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, to name four will counterattack with Right -To-Work Laws of their own.

  • america1st

    the industry during my career, I make it a point NOT to buy union-made cars. For that matter, until it was no longer common practice, I made it a point NOT to buy any product with a union label or hire union employees.

    Until the SEIU came on the scene, the UAW was the preeminent drag on American manufacturing (followed closely by the Teamsters and some others). Union greed and management hubris ruined GM and, to a lesser degree, Chrysler. Ford’s management has been somewhat better, keeping it afloat despite the unions.

  • anjinconsulting

    Boycott union made goods and union provided services. There arent enough people in the unions to buy enough goods and services to keep their employers afloat bythemselves; union layoffs equal fewer union dues paying members.

    • http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

      …that you punish well-run but still unionized companies. Look at Ford and how it has turned itself around. Should we punish Ford simply because the UAW got its claws into them nearly a century ago? I’m all for punishing companies that offer less value with their union label, but I’m very much in favor of ignoring emotion to get the best economic value out of my purchase.

      Now, if you’ve got the money to spare for lesser value (either due to higher costs, lesser quality resulting in more frequent replacements, or both), go ahead. I don’t.

      Thankfully, Ford seems to be the exception, not the rule. The whole “Buy American” propaganda of the 1970s and 1980s got otherwise intelligent people buying American products based on their emotional connection even when imported products were clearly superior and cost less. This helped support the unions and delayed the inevitable downfall of these poorly-run, high cost unionized companies.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        Ford has participated equally in the UAW protection racket, and has done nothing to stop UAW from becoming what it is today.

        UAW can hang. Ford can rot.

        Buy cars made anywhere the UAW doesn’t reach. Right to Work states or other countries.

        • http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

          …then go ahead. But if I determine the best overall value is a Ford, that’s what I will buy. If I determine my best overall value is a used car, then I’ll buy that. And if it’s a Toyota or a BMW, I’ll buy that.

          Right now, Ford tops the quality rating for broad-level automakers. It beats the imports. Economically, if a Ford and a Toyota are the same in every aspect from price to fuel economy to comfort, etc, and the only difference is the quality rating of the vehicle, then choosing the Toyota has a financial cost. That financial cost must be economically lesser than my desire to see the UAW die.

          I can’t afford that luxury right now. When I pay off my student loans or if I win the lottery, that will hopefully change. But right now, I ignore the “Union Made” label entirely when making a purchase decision. No matter what the UAW and SEIU are doing, it’s not enough for me to change my purchasing behavior.

          And if you want to do it, if that economic difference is large enough for you, then by all means go do it.

        • JSobieski

          Ford was ultimately defeated by the UAW, and has become a parasitic host ever since.

          Isn’t it appropriate to differentiate between a victim and a perpatrator?

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Why should I actively give money to a UAW ally, and patronize a company staffed by the UAW and funding the UAW, an organization opposed to every thing I value?

            You’re reaching for some sort of fairness, but propose no means of distinguishing UAW from Ford at this point in terms of who I give my money to.

          • JSobieski

            I am suggesting that you care about Ford in the same way that while United 93 was in the air, you cared about the passengers.

            Ford is a hostage. Not saying you should finance the hijackers, but I am saying that you should “care” about Ford.

            More specifically, everyone should care about rescuing Ford, shouldn’t they? Manufacturing capacity is a valuable infrastructure resource. I realize places like California don’t appreciate that fact, but it is nonetheless true.

            Ford, GM, and Chrysler employ a lot of American engineers on American soil. The foreign transplants do far less engineering work in the US. Technology matters. The auto industry is a nexis point for a wide range of different technologies.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            So I’m all for a Right to Work law in Michigan. How’s that? :)

          • http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

            Now get the Republicans who just took over Lansing to put one in place.

          • aesthete
          • baserunr

            has manufacturing capacity does not mean it is being utilized efficiently. I agree with Neil, I won’t support a UAW manufacturer. If the resource of manufacturing (or anything else) is being utilized inefficiently, then the manufacturer can/will file for bankruptcy, the asset gets repriced and re-designated to a more efficient and productive use. The “NEW GM” has done the same thing, by shedding its liabilities through bankruptcy. Unionization has a profound effect on companies that utilize their labor, and generally it is a negative effect. Eventually, for a host of reasons, the parasite kills the host.

          • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

            In most cases, no.

            As a proud owner of an F-150 with 150k miles, I don’t have a problem with Ford, I have a problem with what the UAW has done to the auto industry.

            The root of much of the industry’s problems stem from the pattern bargaining approach that the UAW used for decades and which is embedded in the UAW’s constitution.

            Article 19, Section 6.

            The International Executive Board shall protect all Local Unions who have succeeded in establishing higher wages and favorable conditions and have superior agreements. so that no infringement by Local Unions with inferior agreements in workplaces doing similar work may be committed against the Local Union with advanced agreements.

            More here: http://www.1-888-no-union.com/uawconstitution.html

            That one paragraph has enabled the UAW to stranglehold the auto industry and, in other cases, given the union an excuse to close plants so as not to jeopardize the ‘whole union’ by having local agreements that undermine ‘the union.’

            Note: I am only talking about Ford in this instance. GM & Chrysler, deserve more than a tick bath.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Ford could have started building plants in Right to Work states.

          • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport
        • powertothepeople

          And since I do not have time to go down the red line and address every issue raised, will try to do so here.

          You are correct, buy everything from anyone who has not allowed the union to control them and run the company. Starving the Union is the only way to end their death hold. If that causes Ford or any other company to go under, so be it. There will be other companies who will grab up the pieces and they will move on union free.

          These companies are not victims. They chose to bring in the union, they chose to keep buckling to union demands then passing on the cost to us, they chose to not take steps to ending the union hold. They are not victims, they are compliant co criminals. None of them deserve of concern, only our contempt.

          So you are right Neil, screw the union and screw their host companies. All can go to hell!

          • vital0gy

            I’m a non-union engineer that works in distribution for a corporation with a unionized shop. Would you be happy if I go to hell, as well? How about my son who is provided with shelter and food through my employment? Perhaps you would like to damn him to hell, too? My point being that you don’t mind the collateral damage from the fallout. Sorry, but in this economy I’ll take whatever job I can to support my family.

          • powertothepeople

            would you justify a person doing that in this economy as well? You working at a job who has union ties has nothing to do with this conversation. It only has to do with the union, their bloodsucking, and refusing to support union companies. But even if it did, please do not try to justify things based on economy or feeding a kid. That is the same argument dope pushers use.

          • vital0gy

            You may compare working for a company that employees union workers to being a dope dealer, but it’s not even close. I could have clarified that I’ll take whatever “legal” job I can, but I would assume that to be implicit. I agreed with most everything you wrote, and wouldn’t have interjected until I saw the part about screwing the host companies. There are lots of people who work for these companies that have no part in the union, and can’t just find another job in this economic climate.

          • powertothepeople

            while there may be some credence to the call that if unions are shut down, people suffer, that is not and was not the point of the conversation. The main focus here has been how to stop unions and who is at fault for their death grip.

            But reality says, if we are every able to do something about the unions, we will have to not care about the companies that are union. Some will have to fail, and in turn, employees will be without jobs. But as always, it will bounce back, another company will buy up the parts and then move on and make it bigger. You can not fail to do what is right just because some people work there that are not union or do not make the choices. That is simple reality. And yet even among our own party we have a segment of our voters who fight anything we do that is fighting the union because they want to worry about a job. They do not remember all the jobs lost because of the union, only theirs matters. They believe the union is trash, but set aside principle for monetary gain.

            So while it may sound cold, I can not care about your job when we need to be looking at the bigger picture. I can not worry about you loosing your job if we win, we simply have to win. But I have a ton more empathy for you and the other workers than I do the weak ass company, hence the go to hell comment. But we have a job to do in order to save this country and unions are a major part of the plan. And as in all wars, there will be civilian casualties. Don’t like it, but it happens.

          • JSobieski

            Right to work laws would be a far better solution than the death of the company.

          • powertothepeople

            then I will give you that one. But Ford has been very complaint concerning the union, has made no effort to stop the bleeding, capitulate completely when it comes to absurd union demands even when they know it will cost more than can be afforded, and refuse to take any steps to limit their control in any way. So they are not the victims and they are as guilty as the union when it deals with the union corruption, greed, and destruction of our companies and our way of life.

            You are right that right to work is a better option, but until Ford and other type companies stand up to the union and or put money into the right pockets to get a right to work piece of legislation passed, they are partners in the union corruption. And they are not victims in the most liberal interpretation of the word.

          • JSobieski

            even though Ford didn’t go to a bankruptcy court to get them. Ford has also been very clear that it would not be rolling back those concessions given recent profitability.

            In summary, Ford has not been very compliant with union demands. It has made (particuarlly recently) relatively smart decisons on where to push and where not to push.

            It always easier to manage a large organization when you aren;t actually responsible for implementation or accountable to the various stake holders.

            1. Ford should get tougher with the unions.
            2. Corporations should not be charged income tax.
            3. Government should not waste money.
            4. Obamacare should not have been enacted into law.

            You and I are invididually responsible for items 2-4 as voters, yet we have to date failed. If Ford is not a victm, than neither are we—-we get what deserve.

            So if you are willing to say that you deserve Obamacare, I will acknowledge that Ford deserves what it gets as well.

            If you are not willing to say that you deserve Obamacare, I will not concede that Ford as a corporation is somehow positioned differently than you or I.

          • powertothepeople

            and while I can say that there are bright spots about Ford, such as not taking a bailout, being tougher than GMAC with the unions, etc, the reality is they have not done enough to battle them. Lets say for sake of argument, Ford gets their way 50% of the time with the union, great! But that still leaves 50% of the time that we as the consumer are paying the price for their buckling. That is 50% of the time where their business model sucks.

            There are things they could do to end the union completely, but it will never happen as long as they keep doing business in Michigan and other type states, it will continue as long as they buckle on time to the union, and it will continue as long as the voters continue to fail to demand a change. It is not all Ford’s fault, but it is as much Ford’s fault.

            And on to your last comment:

            “You and I are invididually responsible for items 2-4 as voters, yet we have to date failed. If Ford is not a victm, than neither are we

          • JSobieski

            At that level of responsibilty, Ford is responsible for not doing more just as you and I are responsible for not doing more.

            If we aren’t victims of Obama, Ford is not a victim of the UAW.

            Agree 100%

          • aesthete

            That current leadership really isn’t to blame for decisions made by their predecessors, any more than modern conservatives are to blame for the New Deal’s passage. There’s only so much that Ford’s current management can do vis a vis unions, and IMO, they have largely done the maximum that they can do to fight the unions. I’m not going to blame anyone for avoiding Ford (I myself don’t own a Ford), but I’m also not going to blame anyone for buying a quality product *in spite of* unions. Regardless, we should all emphatically be against giving Ford a bailout, if it got that bad.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
          • baserunr

            note that I have no choice in the matter for another 2 years in re: Obama. I have a choice in which car to buy every day. I am compelled by the Constitution to recognize Obama as President, but there is no such compulsion to deal with Ford.

            Yet.

          • http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

            …that make union-busting extremely difficult.

            Many of these companies didn’t choose unionization, it was all-but forced upon them by “neutral” (yeah right) government agencies. Sometimes they went to binding arbitration, while other times they chose to keep the company operating and the cash coming in by getting the best contract they could with intransigent union leadership.

            General Motors wasn’t one of those companies. It made very poor decisions and its managers didn’t care about what happened in 5 years because they’d have moved on by then.

            Ford forced the UAW to make concessions and got itself out of its financial straits. It’s now the strongest, most robust full-line US automaker, without a government bailout.

            Why punish Ford’s current managers and non-union engineers? Why punish its shareholders?

            Again, all things being equal, if choosing non-UAW cars is more important, do so. If choosing a non-UAW car is more important than any economic consideration, that’s fine, too. But for some of us, that’s simply not an option.

          • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

            from two of the Big Three…

            With GM and Chrysler now being partially owned by the UAW, it’s not going to happen.

            Ford? Maybe someday, but it would come piecemeal and more than likely have to occur plant by plant by raids from other union(s).

            At this point the Big Three and the UAW are joined like Siamese Twins that are inseparable.

          • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

            And, it was largely due to the negative publicity generated by the Battle at the Overpass.

            http://www.thehenryford.org/exhibits/fmc/battle.asp

        • Common_Cents

          wondering what the real alternatives are.

          • wonkish1

            1. Ford, GM, and Chrysler are all UAW made.
            2. German cars have powerful unions to, but they are more reliant on advanced technology at their plants than exclusively union workers. An improvement.
            3. Japanese automakers were at one point beneficiaries of Japanese government subsidies, but not any more. Now they are mostly made in the US under non union labor. So, these are pretty “free market”
            4. I think that Hyundai is the absolute freest market manufacturer(if that was your benchmark). And they are also the fastest rising manufacturer as well. The new Equus is like $50k and can complete with a $100k luxury Mercedes. Hyundai is going to have a completely new image in not even 5 years.

          • Common_Cents

            A definite WOW, especially for the money. Hyundai will rewrite the books at this pace. Long ago in the beginning my buddies were area managers for Hyundai and were the butt of many jokes. Not any longer.

      • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

        Of every dollar you give Ford, a portion goes right to the pockets of UAW fatcats and their political slush funds.

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        Going to replace Mrs908′s 7 Series Beemer. Probably with a 5 Series.

        No UAW product will sit in our driveway. And, as far as Ford is concerned, too bad. Yes, they are the best of UAW feeders. In my eyes, that equates to buying the “best” crystal meth.

        • acat

          Haven’t owned anything but Toyotas for years now. Unless the UAW get their hooks into Toyota plants, that’s likely to continue. Before that, we were mostly VW, and could easily go back. (BMWs are nice, but the cost/benefit doesn’t work for me…)

          I just don’t see giving money to a group of thugs who use it to get gym memberships to become better thugs….

          Mew

          • earlgrey

            in a Ford family. THat was back when Fords were just awful. We still owned them. Mom has been big time R all her life, but still has sympathies for unions. I wonder how that will change with the next generation (I have to believe it will change).

            My parents were upset when my first car was a Honda. I told my Mom it was built in Marysville, Ohio, and that the Ford Probe I had been driving was basically a Mazda. What was the difference.

            Just took the camry in for routine maintenance. Love it! We have a Highlander too. Of course I had to point out to my liberal firend who kept calling our HIghlander a truck (in a disparaging way) that the Highlander is built on a Camry frame.

          • acat

            My father was also an Oldsmobile man, for most of his life… until the one car that, according to the GM troubleshooter who finally got it working right. The words “lemon” and “law” were needed to get the troubleshooter involved…

            It turned out that the car had been assembled with as many things that could e done wrong as possible, and yet still run. Wrong bolts, parts installed backwards, wrong seals, sensors not connected…

            That was the last Oldsmobile. Last “american” badge, too .. and we started a long string of Toyotas.

            I put “american” in scare quotes because most “american” cars are at least 25% made in Mexico or Canada. I really don’t see those “good paying low-skill jobs” the UAW crows about coming back. They’re fighting a retreat and hoping for the cavalry…. it’s up to us to keep them on the defensive.

            Mew

        • http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

          …about “all things being equal” and being in a situation where I can’t afford politics in (most of) my purchase decisions.

          Based on this, if Ford and Toyota are equal, but Ford’s quality is much better, then I’m picking the Ford. Unless the quality difference is insignificant (say, the economic equivalent of $1,000 or less), then UAW considerations don’t enter into it. If the quality rating does fall into that “insignificant” range, then choosing non-UAW makes sense to me.

          For you, the “insignificant” range might be quality worth $10,000,000. That’s fine. I can’t make that decision.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            Buying automobiles, like most of life, is a series of trade offs based on some facts and lots of opinion.

            Here’s how I deal with car buying, so you have a baseline. And Fred, let me be clear, I’m not arguing with you on this :-)

            • I do not buy new cars.
            • I do not lease cars.
            • We drive relatively few miles per year – in the range 15-20K.
            • I have a mechanic who immigrated – legally – from Germany. Learned his trade at BMW.
            • I prefer to purchase a high end, high quality car with moderate miles (5 or 7 BMW would be 80-100K) over a low mileage GM, etal.
            • I have never owned a “US car” that I didn’t have serious problems with.
            • I have never owned a Nissan or BMW that I had problems with.
            • Jergan does a full inspection before I buy a car. He says it’s OK, it OK. He’s the only “car person” I trust.
            • I find BMWs, Toyotas, Nissans to be the best value for $$ in terms of quality and style. I hate Mercedes.
            • I like Honda a whole lot, never owned one, Mrs908 doesn’t like ‘em. Don’t know why, don’t care.

            Oh, and when I talk about the Japanese manufacturers I’m talking full line. Honda = Accura, etc.

            Obviously, car buying isn’t an engineering decision.

          • powertothepeople

            you have to or need to boycott, it is a personal decision. And as always money and budget play a role in a decision on what to do.

            I can tend to be more picky in my vehicle choices, although not by 10 million, lol. But it is a personal choice. Sort of like when I joined the boycott years ago against a company who made shampoo with aborted human parts. It has to be a personal choice and you should not feel pushed to join in.

            Side note though, if you buy cars in the lower range of cost new, the Asian cars tend to be more reliable and just as durable. Sometimes they even tend to look better although that would be a personal preference.

            Regardless though, if you feel strongly about unions, but are unable to boycott, there are other ways to fight the good fight. Raising voter awareness concerning the union is the absolute best way to get involved. Because when all the rhetoric and words stop, it is up to the voter to end the union control.

          • aesthete

            BMWs are fantastic, but I don’t have the cash to afford one (their ‘bikes are top of the line, too).

            Toyota and Honda have never failed me, and I keep hearing great things about Hyundai.

      • audax
        • http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

          …and many “American” cars are actually built in Mexico and Canada. Of course, the “Buy American” campaign was about looking at the name-plate, not where the factory was located.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            I think the Mexicans are represented by the drug cartels.

    • Warrior

      Unions are just another failed or failing attempt to skew the free market, basically w/wage controls and ugly threats.

      I will not buy an American car until and unless the UAW, Teamsters, etc, are all busted and gone.

      If possible, we should find alternatives to gubmint union schools as well until teachers unions are gone — a much tougher nut to crack since teachers unions have the power of the gubmint behind them…

      • http://www.laborunionreport.com LaborUnionReport

        It is GALT, not Gault…

        Great passage though!

        ;)

        • Warrior

          I can’t believe I read a book of over 1000 pages and now misspell the name of one of the main characters! I can only say I am real busy and send out these posts during very short breaks in the action.

          Thanks for pointing it out. I will fix it in a few…

    • victrola

      Conservatives should stick together and not buy UAW products.

      Had a Republican President been in office in 2008, I think the UAW would have been neutered to the point of irrelevancy. Obama’s bailout was really a bailout for the UAW.

      The UAW has given hundreds of millions of dollars to Democrats and Leftist-causes. Everytime you buy a Big 3 product, you’re funding that.

      Besides, most of the Big 3 stuff is junk anyway. (I say that as a historic owner of many Big 3 cars and trucks.) Ever since I started buying “Japanese” (most are actually made in the USA), my cars got a whole lot more reliable.

      • Warrior

        n/t

  • Right Reason

    “UAW-represented hourly workers have been instrumental in the quality and productivity gains that the Detroit 3 have made in recent years, positioning their products to compete globally, King said.”

    In other words, the UAW members worked hard to improve their product so it can finally compete with the product the non-union workers have been putting out all along!!

    What a sales pitch!!!

    • http://seekingliberty.wordpress.com fmaidment

      The fact is, the hourly workers only need to do their job adequately to make sure quality standards are kept. If they simply do their job and do it correctly, all quality issues from there are traced to the non-unionized workers, the engineers who actually design the cars.

      Unless I’m mistaken and the engineers are also unionized?

  • Castor

    In January there will be comfortable Republican majorities in the state legislatures of Ohio, Pennsylvania,Wisconsin, Indiana and MICHIGAN !!!Besides having GOP governors.
    If they pass Right To Work laws we can put the UAW,SEIU and other union thugs on the defensive.

    THE BEST DEFENSE IS A GOOD OFFENSE !!!!

    • audax

      …should have read all the posts before commenting earlier…LOL. Have already called a friend, Dave Robertson, who was recently elected to the Michigan senate to recommend just that, the day after the election.

  • maddog

    What are the prospects for Right to Work laws in MI, OH, and PA? We’ve had Republicans in charge there in the past and no changes. Has any one of the new people campaigned on changes? I recall John Kasich was asked about Right to Work in the recent campaign and said he didn’t want to go there.

    I do not live in OH, MI, or PA. Do we have a shot at this? Even if not, we should still pursue so we force politicians to go on record as well can get our message of freedom and prosperity out there.

    • wonkish1

      And find something that moves in the right direction. He is a really smart guy. If I was a betting man, I would guess that he will try to strike some “Right to No Forced Dues” and “A Pension Reporting Bill” or something that doesn’t get the same wrath from Union voters. If you did something like that then no person could be forced into paying union dues and the union could decide as to what extent the person was apart of the union or not as someone that doesn’t pay dues. A Pension Reporting Bill could force any union to hand out a sheet on new employees stating the dire situation that the Defined Benefit Pension is in. A right to opt out of a DB Pension bill could be another way to get at it.

      In states like OH, PA, and MI you take large bites out of the Union problem, you can’t just go for the jugular right away or the unions will cry bloody murder and spend every dollar they have to convince the public that you are the devil incarnate.

  • gunsrus

    The gubment EPA was the real destroyer of the American Auto industry. In the 60′s the math was presented by VP’s of GM which showed that in order to play the shell game set up by the EPA (% BIG cars vs small ) that a gubment sanctioned small vehicle had to last less than two years. The market share data bore this out. So the cheap car that incorporated the poor quality requiring replacment every two years was created so they could sell real cars.
    The Axis power companies with a green field industrial base and no substantial market share in the US were allowed to market the “quality” small cars without tariff control. Then the Gubment claims that US industry cannot produce a quality car with the typical “Blame the Victim” Gobbels routine.
    As the green slime of the EPA spreads throughout the US industrial base, into Light Bulbs, Air Conditioners, water, we can expect to be a third world nation in short order!

    • Warrior

      toilets…