Apparently, Dr. Myron Gutmann and Dr. Hillary Anger Elfenbein never stopped by Congressman Benishek’s [R-MI] office to see his sign…
Or, perhaps, the doctors thought Dr. Dan wasn’t serious in trying to correct America’s careening into the fiscal abyss.
Whatever the case, on Thursday, when the House Subcommittee on Research and Science Education held a hearing on Social, Behavioral and Economic Science Research: Oversight of the Need for Federal Investments and Priorities for Funding on the importance of funding things as *important* as a grant to study Engineering and Social Justice Research and Education of Inter-Measurable[sic?] Fields of Practice, the PhD’s found themselves having to learn a basic fact: We’re broke.
[You'll want to watch this to the very end...]
In a pathetically amusing sort of way, this exchange is sort of like watching two 11-year olds with “unrealistic expectations” arguing why cell phones are an “investment,” despite the fact there’s not enough money to put food on the table.
Thanks, Congressman Dan, for doing a yeoman’s job!
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I'm really liking this guy.
randy streu (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 10:00AM EDT (link)And this’ll be the second time today I’ve said this about him: It’s About Time.
Seriously… are they saying these projects can’t wait?
And then there’s the first doctor “well, SOME of those projects are very much worthwhile.”
great. So ask for funding for THOSE projects, and cull the stupid crap. Good Lord, it’s like these people don’t THINK.
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Loosen the purse strings
vortigernpendragon (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 11:18AM EDT (link)This guy’s too tight. There’s plenty of money to go around.
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We need to get away from the "cut waste" narrative
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 11:26AM EDT (link)Certainly there is waste, fraud, abuse that can and should be cut. And certainly there is quite a lot of “crap’ that needs to be defunded. But the money on most of these is not significant, even though the symbolism of aggressive budget cutting is very good.
There is a lot that government does that is “good.” Sorry, we still have to cut. But it’s for the poor / children / future! Sorry, still gonna cut.
The more we allow the narrative that cutting waste, fraud, abuse, etc. will balance the budget, the more we are allowing the public to be deluded into false expectations. We need to face the narrative that cuts MUST go way beyond that to deep and painful reductions – even “good” stuff must be cut. Sorry, but that’s adults facing reality.
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If not me, who? If not now, when?
Absolutely agree. Waste + Fraud = a constant
Next93 (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 11:44AM EDT (link)Every time someone talks about “cutting waste and fraud”, I have to stifle a scream. It’s not possible to reduce both at once.
What most people think of as “waste” in government operations is the bureaucratic overhead that oversees the spending; you can argue all you want about how ineffective it is, but it’s *supposed* to be there to reduce fraud. It’s certainly NOT going to get better at that job with fewer people. Get rid of the overhead (waste), you increase the opportunity for fraud. To wring out the fraud, you need to increase the overhead.
And at the end of the day, the problem isn’t that the programs are inefficient, it’s that they shouldn’t be in place to begin with. The Department of Energy, the Deaprment of Education, HHS, none of them need to be made more efficient, they need to be made *gone*.
I read recently that the HHS budget is now larger than the entire government under Johnson. That’s in inflation adjusted dollars, from a time when we were engaged in the most expensive war in our history. That’s not a matter of “inefficiency”, it’s a matter of fundamentally flawed policy.
Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.
Even more
YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 11:49AM EDT (link)We can’t even balance the budget through deleting entire departments (though that should be considered as well). It is not enough – non-defense discretionary spending is only 25-30% of Federal budget (depending upon where you draw the lines). We are already borrowing 40% of our spending.
Entitlements are where the “real” money is spent. Entitlement cuts will be painful, and step on a lot of toes. It will hurt.
Sorry, gotta cut them anyway.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Agree and disagree.
randy streu (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 12:40PM EDT (link)I perhaps should have been clearer in my above post. I’m still on board with cutting everything they were asking for in the video, including the good stuff — and the Congressman said as much as well. My point was simply that they’re still pretending there isn’t even a problem! They’re asking for potentially helpful AND completely unnecessary spending. If they ONLY came in asking for the funding for programs that the doctor claimed were “worthwhile,” THAT at least would show that they’re aware of our situation.
That they came in asking for money for pointless garbage just shows how very out of touch these people really are.
Having said that, while I do agree that, ultimately, entitlement spending is the real killer here, and clearly needs to be addressed, waste spending needs to be addressed as well — particularly right now.
It’s all well and good to say, “no, we MUST cut entitlements NOW, period, and don’t even DISCUSS other savings until that’s dealt with…” except that’s also not “facing reality.”
Because the reality is, we can’t afford to keep letting wasteful spending happen while we WAIT for people to get on board with making the deeper, more meaningful cuts.
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YnotNOW (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 2:58PM EDT (link)That we must adress wasteful projects and proposals – largely because they indicate the mindset of sucking on the government teat – even if they don’t equate to a significant part of the deficit. Symbolism and mindsets are important.
while at the same time addressing the entitlement programs that equate to the real money.
So we agree.
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Flip the percentage...
mdyou (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 10:07AM EDT (link)…to an 18% CUT. What the hell, make it 20! Wait a second…just defund this crap altogether.
"Defund This Crap Altogether" - The DTCA Alliance for defunding crap
izoneguy (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 10:28AM EDT (link)That is a slogan every Republican candidate in 2012 needs to use.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
I'm happy to see....
bwilliamson (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 10:18AM EDT (link).. proof that someone finally gets what’s happening in Washington and realizes that it’s not their money to play with and that there is no more money. The cash cow is in it’s final death spasms and uncle sugar can’t be relied apon for more largess.
I think she has been listening to POTUS too much:
yoyo (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 10:26AM EDT (link)Just like BHO, she wants to “invest” millions of not-dollars in not-science to fund not-research in the not-hopes that it will spur the economy forward, thinking that using the term “investment” furthers HER argument, not the other way around.
Americans are not-buying it anymore, regardless of how much you are shoveling at us.
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Investments pay returns.
rickbull Friday, June 3rd at 11:36PM EDT (link)If her projects are truly “investments” that will reap returns, then she should be able to find funding from the private sector. But if her “investments” are little more than rat holes to pour money into, then they do not need funding from investors or taxpayers. Yes, it IS that simple.
Research grants have turned into little more than PhD welfare.
WE ARE THE 53% (who actually pay taxes).
Excellent points. 555
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 11:58PM EDT (link)nt
No GM, GE, or any GSE for me.
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
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radicalrighty Sunday, June 5th at 8:12AM EDT (link)sentences I have read anywhere in a long time.
I've worked off a government grant
heartlander (Diary) Saturday, June 4th at 3:28AM EDT (link)…and have friends that have done the same. And other friends who make their living largely from writing grant proposals.
No offense intended to any of them, but… IT’S A SCAM!
Here’s one example. I live in a county of 5,000 people. We have one small hospital, one clinic and one fitness center. Not exactly a huge, complicated health care system. But thanks to someone’s skill in writing a grant proposal to the federal government, our county was deemed to need its very own full-time “health care coordinator”! The young lady who holds the job is very nice. But do the taxpayers of the United States really need to be shelling out $40,000+ per year for someone to coordinate a walloping three health-care entities, which already have their own very capable administrators?
What the grant money merry-go-round is mostly about is make-work for women with master’s degrees.
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What's funny is who is supporting it.
Menlo (Diary) Sunday, June 5th at 9:23AM EDT (link)Beyond the elected officials, it seems the ONLY people lobbying for more money for the NIH and NSF are the people who work there.
Sadly, too many Republicans such as Rep. Bilbray are trying to make the same case as Obama.
However, part of the problem is that this “investing in the future” talk is very popular with voters, even if they aren’t aware of all these unconstitutional federal agencies and research projects and their worthlessness over the years, particularly the last quarter century.
“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
This stuff is the tip of the iceberg.
carolina Friday, June 3rd at 10:41AM EDT (link)There is a whole lot more of this ‘crap’ in the various agency budgets. I hope they can cut out all of it!
This stuff is the tip of the iceberg.
carolina Friday, June 3rd at 10:41AM EDT (link)There is a whole lot more of this ‘crap’ in the various agency budgets. I hope they can cut out all of it!
Rep. Benishek did an excellent job of calmly
runner12 (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 12:00PM EDT (link)explaining to the doctors that there is no more money. I think that it is audacious of these people to ask for an increase in funding, when our fiscal situation is so dire.
While I am a big supporter of medical research, i think it is time that many of these agencies who receive federal dollars prioritize their research. They also need to begin to look to private donations to fund more of it.
Is this another sideshow?
Next93 (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 12:05PM EDT (link)Yeah, I agree that spending on “research” in the social “sciences” is generally a waste of money. HOWEVER…
How much of the debt does this sort of thing really represent? I’ll grant that there should come a time when these people get the kind of close scrutiny that they deserve, but at a time when we’re talking about a debt-to-GDP ratio reaching 90%, this is pretty small pickings.
The real drag on the economy isn’t a few idiotic academic projects, it’s not congressional pay raises, it’s not the Obama family’s use of Air Force One. It’s not a handful of millionaires not paying “thier fair share” on thier taxable income. It’s not even the FDA spending taxpayer dollars for TWO YEARS to change the “food pyramid” to a “plate icon”.
No, what’s killing us every single day is the entitlement programs that the middle class and the poor have been suckling on for generations. It’s an HHS budget that’s bigger than the entire government was during the Johnson administration. It’s a 40% corporate tax rate that encourages businesses to invest overseas.
These are all tough nuts to crack, but until we have politicians willing to grow a spine and take them on, we’re on the road to financial ruin. How about we put this kind of focus where it could really make a difference, like reforming (and eventually eliminating) social security, medicare and medicaid, and leave this sort of low-hanging fruit for a later time?
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It's one Congressman on one subcomittee...
LaborUnionReport (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 12:28PM EDT (link)There should be 434 more Congresscritters like this one.
The purpose of putting this up was to show:
1) the ridiculousness of the “investment” argument; and
2) a Congressman who ‘gets it’
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Heh. I helped elect that guy.
Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 3:52PM EDT (link)Not much, but a bit. Pleasure to get some return on investment, there.
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heartlander (Diary) Friday, June 3rd at 4:00PM EDT (link)That’s one of the nice things about donating to individual candidates’ campaigns instead of to the RNC! (Although I’m waiting to see how Reince Priebus does. If he’s a big improvement over Steele, I may rethink my giving strategy.)
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–Donald R. McClarey
I think...
charlesmartel Friday, June 3rd at 4:33PM EDT (link)…researchers and grant writers are going to have to radically adjust their thought-process. Inserting “social justice” into a proposal title in between some other random words no longer automatically ensures approval. And thank God for that.
Even though, yes – this kind of waste is a completely insignificant minute iota of the budget – it’s the point that’s being made: We’re out of money. The tap is closed. Deal with it. That point, whether being made by Christie with the teachers or Dr. Dan with these simpering fools, cannot be made enough.
I think...
charlesmartel Friday, June 3rd at 4:33PM EDT (link)…researchers and grant writers are going to have to radically adjust their thought-process. Inserting “social justice” into a proposal title in between some other random words no longer automatically ensures approval. And thank God for that.
Even though, yes – this kind of waste is a completely insignificant minute iota of the budget – it’s the point that’s being made: We’re out of money. The tap is closed. Deal with it. That point, whether being made by Christie with the teachers or Dr. Dan with these simpering fools, cannot be made enough.
From time to time......
centerrightcali (Diary) Saturday, June 4th at 12:26AM EDT (link)an occasional research project may be acceptable if not needed. For example gathering statistics on HIV/AIDS in metropolitan areas or financing experiments that aim to create technology that helps rehabilitate the heads of injured soldiers after traumatic injuries. Although not the only option for intellitual pursuits there’s nothing really heretical about the government promoting scholarly pursuits within a constitutional perspective or even more boardly a national defense or societal good perspective…..
That aside since we’re heading towards bankruptcy I say to Congressman Benishek Great Job. Since we’re approaching our debt ceiling I really don’t see the need to invest since China and the rest of the world is at our door. Might as well start cutting insignificant projects that can easily be privitized through the government sector.
-Sigh- if only D.C started asking ourselves “what are our obligations” last I read our Founding Father’s documents it was more along the lines of paying down debts or adding on…..