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Obama’s Labor Department Looks To Take The ‘Family’ Out of Family Farms

Let’s establish this right out of the gate so as not to confuse issues: It is wrong when corporations use child labor. Forgetting the law for a moment, whether it is here in the U.S. or overseas, children are children, and corporations should not exploit children. Got it? With that said, this is not about corporations, this is about families and farms. More specifically, family farms and the overreach of the federal government.

For centuries, even before there was Willie Nelson and FarmAid, farming throughout the world (including here in the United States) has largely been a family affair.  That is, parents and their children (when not in school) work from dawn until dusk to put food on the family table, and the tables of others.

Recognizing this, when child labor laws were developed in the last century, there was an exemption built in for family farms. Now, however, the concept of the family farm may be getting gutted if the Obama Labor Department has its way.

Under a proposed “dramatic updating” of the nation’s child labor regulations, the Department of Labor is considering eliminating many of the tasks that children and young adults do on their family’s farm.

Although the DOL’s website specifically states, “The proposed regulations would not apply to children working on farms owned by their parents,” the regulations would (presumably) apply to farms owned by grandparents and other, non-parental family members.

Moreover, as the Milwaukee’s Journal-Sentinel notes, many family farms are legally structured, which could remove it from the parental farm exemption:

Under the proposed rules, according to the Wisconsin Farm Bureau Federation, someone under 18 would not be allowed to do many chores for a neighbor or even their own family’s farm if it’s set up as a corporation or a business partnership.

Today, many family farms are legally structured as corporations or partnerships.

Under the DOL’s proposal [emphasis added], the following tasks would be outlawed :

    • Strengthening current child labor prohibitions regarding agricultural work with animals in timber operations, manure pits, storage bins and pesticide handling.
    • Prohibiting hired farm workers under the age of 16 from employment in the cultivation, harvesting and curing of tobacco.
    • Prohibiting youth in both agricultural and nonagricultural employment from using electronic devices, including communication devices, while operating power-driven equipment.
    • Prohibiting hired farm workers under the age of 16 from operating almost all power-driven equipment. A similar prohibition has existed as part of the nonagricultural child labor provisions for more than 50 years. A limited exemption would permit some student-learners to operate certain farm implements and tractors (when equipped with proper rollover protection structures and seat belts) under specified conditions.
    • Preventing children under 18 years of age from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm-product raw materials. Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.

While many might view this as merely a simple example of bureaucratic overreach, diminishing a family’s ability to actually tend to their farm as a family could put many of them out of business since they could be forced to hire workers to fulfill the chores that their children are doing.

Of course, for those farms that can afford to hire employees and stay in business, this could be what the Department of Labor is counting on—especially in states like Hilda Solis’ home state of California, where farm workers can be unionized.

There are, according to the Department of Labor’s website, a couple of days left for the public to comment:

On October 31, 2011, the Department published a notice to extend the comment period to December 1, 2011, because of requests received to extend the period for filing public comments and the Department’s desire to obtain as much information about its proposals as possible. Interested parties are invited to submit written comments on the proposed rule at www.regulations.gov.

For more information about the DOL’s proposal, go to its website here.

Note: Neither Willie Nelson, nor FarmAid returned a request for a statement.

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“I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes.” Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

Cross-posted on LaborUnionReport.com.

COMMENTS

  • andystone

    I grew up on my grandparents’ farm. I helped with chickens, pigs, cows, horses and what not, and those were some of the best years of my life. They want to make that ILLEGAL?!?!?

  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    nt

  • renl57

    This rule seems like a solution in search of a problem.

    I haven’t heard about any “child labor crisis” on America’s farms.

    Instead of formulating rules and regulations to fix immediate and serious problems, here they are formulating rules just for the sake of formulating rules. Just to keep in practice, I guess.

    • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

      To answer your title question.

    • skorrent1

      Of the left/union response to high unemployment during the Depression. It is their gospel that there is a limited, and fixed, number of “jobs” available. Every “job” taken by a kid is one less available for a “family provider/union member”. Thus the boost in child labor and mandatory education laws during this period. The ag sector was too powerful a lobby to tackle back then, much less so now. Have you seen the push to extend the school year, and to make college more desirable/affordable?

  • DerKrieger

    When will a governor of a state, any state, simply come out and say that henceforth the state nor its residents would comply with federal regulation the state and its citizens consider, through proper debate, unconstitutional? The states are supposed to be nearly sovereign yet the Feds pretend they don’t exist or at least don’t matter much.
    I recently wrote to governor McDonnell of VA asking these very questions and challenging him to be the first one to stat “no more!”. I wrote that I believed it was the states’ duty to protect its citizens from the federal government.
    If half a dozen or more states simpy started ignoring federal diktats what can the Feds do about it?
    I’m sick of the “transformation” that is taking place and it’s obvious that the GOP isn’t going to do much about it except tell us that they only have one half of one third of federal power. How much of our liberties will remain before they have 1/2 of 2/3′s or more?
    We can’t drill, we can’t farm, we can’t build a pipeline, we can’t open factories (Boeing), we can’t take care of our own health insurance, we can’t enforce immigration laws,…what CAN we do?

    • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

      and a few other governors done this on a limited basis by refusing some federal education money, such as Race tot he Top funds. It’s not a lot, but it’s a start and demonstrates that it can be done without the world coming to an end.

      This issue is similar to minimum wage laws. We live in a rural area an attend church with a lot of farmers. Many young men from our church have their first jobs as farm laborers. If these lower wage jobs are regulated out of existence, it will deny young people of valuable work experience in their teen years.

    • izoneguy

      Send 1/2 of your income to the feds

    • DerKrieger

      …were denied Obamacare waivers this week. If they truly believe its unconstitutional then don’t request a waiver, just declare it null and void and ignore it. What will HHS and/or Obama do about it?

    • quad4x4

      I suppose they would drop dead in their tracks to watch GOLD RUSH, ALASKA and see a 16 year old run a mine that his grandfather gave him…. I work a lot of farms in OR/WA/CA and saw lots of children helping their parents. I think this whole mess is to get all farm workers unionized and make all labor 18 or better age.

      Where is States Rights and the right to work….bring it on…

  • snowshooze

    Pick up your room.
    OOOOBAAAAMA!!! I’m gonna call Obama, an’ he’ll call Holder, an’ you’ll be in BIG TROUBLE!!
    I remember just a few months back that in Great Britan, they made it against the law to park you kids with a friend as they were not approved child care providers…
    Someday… this is gonna push us all into pitchfork and torch parades…

  • changeforrickperry

    and a good indication of where we’re going if things don’t change QUICK. If you give ‘em an inch they’ll take a mile; if they get away with this, then the next thing they’ll try is to forbid American children from working on THEIR PARENT’S farm.

    • izoneguy

      Their is no way they would have made it without the kids helping….
      I was at a horse show last week and many of the “kids” were helping moms
      & dads get the horses ready for the shows.

      Remember all you family farmers – Rick Perry was raised on a farm and
      was a farmer.

  • nathanalbright

    …..and that is outrageous. This is yet another area that Rick Perry would understand from his own background and draw a contrast with Obama and his ilk.

  • rqsulfates

    Yes, child is a child, they have their own childhood. And this time should not be working forcibly, they can play with other children when they want to.
    Of course, they can help parent to do some housework, but not to be a labor.

    http://www.rqsulfates.com/productr_4_15_0_144.html

    • calhoun211

      You know nothing.

    • jonedanger

      I don’t speak gibberish.

    • rcastonjr

      having my kids cut the grass is off limits. What a bunch of pu………pansies American has become. Do any of you who still believe in freedom feel like this government is poking a prodding the American people in a way that incites us to the point where enough is enough. I am astounded that every day this government reaches into another area of our lives to change it. All I can say is We The People better wake the hell up before there is no America left.

      • quad4x4

        It has got so bad the high school kids can’t find any kind of work..
        And look out if you post a Help Wanted for cutting grass and minor chores…the pc police would attack in mass.

        Gone in 2012 and the entire staff (costing us 40million+) of Obamanation. Now that Carter has a better rating than obamo, what is next a trip to solve some foriegn country problem. O he did that in the EU…I think they told him to get his own house in order.
        He is too proud and arogant to quit now or not run for re-election.

        everyone should look into rVotes…and get your states out to vote in 2012

  • ss396

    Back when I was growing up, farm kids in Wisconsin could get a limited drivers license at age 14-1/2 ’cause they needed to be able to take motorized farm equipment to the next field, which might be down the road a bit. A special privilege, if you will.

    Privilege has become burden. Words fail me in the face of such idiocy.

    I’ve never forgotten that McGovern won only Massachusetts and Washington D.C. I’ve long noted that our Nation’s Capitol tends to vote nearly opposite to the rest of the Nation. These are the folks who work the bureaucracies who write these rules.

  • davesinsanantonio

    to control every aspect of everyone’s life. The excuse is that they care about children. We need to learn to understand the difference between reasons and excuses and attack the reasons. They, of course, will claim we are attacking the moral idea behind the excuse. We must learn not to get side-tracked into their traps. Thinking people will understand if we always couch our arguments properly, but will not support us if we let the lefties control the terms of the debate.

  • Michael M. Keohane

    the need for everyone able to work to contribute to the household income is evident. What we forget is that we once could be classified as an “emerging economy.”

    Whether a child worked on a farm or in a factory, the family needed that child’s contribution to the household’s income to survive. The strong & healthy children in farm areas worked on the family farm. The weak and/or sickly or those crippled in farm accidents went to work in local factories.

    Some people drew the wrong conclusions from this and blamed the factories for the children’s condition. Thus, the initial child labor laws exempted the idylic farm life.

    However, as the laws were being made, the economic conditions were improving and, when non-farm child labor was mostly banned or regulated, most families could survive without the child’s income.

  • daniel22

    With the emphasis on cutting subsidies to large factory farms supposedly on the budget cutting table this is no small wonder. It would put a lot of small farms out of business. I would also venture a guess that these small farmers tend to vote republican; judging by the voter demographics. With the small farms out of business and bought out by the large agri-businesses it would put them in position to lobby (demand) even larger subsidies in the future. Since this is being done through administrative processes and there is a comment period it would be interesting to see what entities like Cargil have to say.

  • dx2krudop

    Except for the first item, all others mention “hired” or “employed” workers. My Grandfather and Uncle both farmed and we used to spend a week at their farms every summer helping out. We were never “hired” to help, nor were we “employed” by them. How many children under the posted ages are considered “hired” hands or are “employed” by their parents. None of the kids I went to school with whose families wee farmers were Hired” or “employed” by their parents. They may or may not have gotten an allowance but that wasn’t considered wages.

    Does Erick or others here believe family owned farms should be able to “hire” or “employ” non-family youth to perform the listed functions?

    • daniel22

      I started working farms and ranches when I was 14 years old and I still have all my body parts. Not only did I learn respect for things like say equipment I appreciated nature even more. That is something textbooks can only teach in theory. It is another level light years ahead of the classroom when you are there first hand experiencing it.
      I was also able to help feed my family and clothe myself. Maybe the government should see about where regulations have gone too far and stymied youth employment opportunities as opposed to imposing even more regulation.

  • dcacklam

    Without the various subsidies, loan guarantees, govt price-fixing, and so on, economies of scale would have removed the family-owned independent farm, the same way the ‘family gas station’ is largely gone & replaced by chain-franchises.

    Personally, I have no problem with this – it’s more efficient, sentimentality, tradition, and ‘way of life’ aside…

    Thus, I find it ironic that we are discussing government meddling with an entity largely sustained by the same meddling/regulation.

    • nathanalbright

      …that did not receive subsidies. Actually, the farm itself was a money losing operation but my family’s work as a whole and a radio tower on our highest hill made it workable, given my family’s large traditional mindset and sentimental streak.

    • unitedwestood

      There are farms all over the place that aren’t getting a dime from the government… in fact, they wish the government would get out of the way and leave them alone. Let’s take government totally out of farming ( REGULATIONS AND ALL) and see if farming doesn’t actually do better. Just think.. without a farmer.. you don’t eat.

      • dcacklam

        when it comes to subsidies & such…

        I’m not for closing down the FDA and abandoning food-safety/public-health requirements (such as milk pasteurization) for commercially sold food (what you do with food you don’t sell or trade – food that will never make it into the stream of commerce – is your business, of course)….

        The reason for this is simple: If you grow/raise whatever & keep it for yourself, it will never end up on my plate – so it’s not my business. If you sell it, it *could* end up on my plate (and the business putting it on my plate *could* be, depending on how many intermediate sellers there are, completely ignorant of what safety precautions you did or did not take), and thus it’s reasonable to impose safety standards.

        Personally, when looking at it from an economic perspective, I don’t think there would be much of a place in the market for small family-run farms IF the government were to be pulled out. There are too many state and federal programs designed to ‘preserve family farming’, which distort the market too much.

        Not just subsidies, but also price-supports and other market meddling…

        If it’s not food safety and it’s government involvement, it should be eliminated….

  • noveldog9

    This is just another step in the movement to go to a One World Government in which the government will tell you explicitly what you can and can’t do. So little puppets behave yourselves, or big bad slave master will disconnect your strings.

    Vote no to Obama and more big government!

  • redpenny

    I very much looked forward to spending time with my grandparents and helping out on the farm by doing those things suitable for kids of whatever age.Amazingly, I nor my siblings were ever injured in anyway and we learned valuable lessons that have served us well over the many years since.The federal govt. is completely out of control and we citizens must do all we can to turn this ship around before it’s too late.This stupid intrusion into yet another facet of our lives is nothing more than a politically motivated ruse and should simply be ignored.My simple input won’t change anything but mine are simply the thoughts of an old man who remembers the kinder and simpler days of long ago!!!

  • disintelligentsia

    There goes the Future Farmers of America. If kids can’t farm, then how will they catch the passion for farming as a career prospect? It’s a career that’s done more for love than money.

  • 50scars

    Tell any small town high school coach that his football team and wrestlers can’t work haying all summer, and see what happens to you. See what the kids do to you. Tell ANY rural kid, male or female, that they can’t detassel corn, and see what their parents do to you, let alone the kids. Jobs like that, along with walking beans, have done more to make kids stay in school than anything their parents or teachers said.

  • artbrownsr

    Big Gov’t= no small farms and union labor only so we get Cargil and Monsento (I hope I spelled that last one right).

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