is he is by far not impressing the hell out of anyone other than those who were in his fan club to begin with. And if he did not learn from his trucer comment, whether is was meant the way it was taken or not, then he will never learn when to keep his mouth shut and end up being another O’Donnell.

Trying to lure in voters is one thing, alienating the largest bloc of the republican party is a sure fire way of making sure you never sit in the presidential seat and that is what Daniels is doing.

I agree this is not the time for doormats, in fact, I would say it has never been the time. But, at the same time, we also do not need someone who is so willing to throw the largest contingent of the party under the bus. What do we gain if we pull another 2008 where we get some of the independent vote yet lose the socon vote. McCain did not lose because of the ground swell, the youth vote, higher black vote, etc. He lost because he was so anti socon and such a bad candidate that a large portion of our side simply stayed at home. I was reading where over 12% of the expected republican vote did not vote that did vote just 4 years prior. This is an enormous amount of people who were so turned off to McCain they simply let happen what happened.

Now jump to 2012. You have a candidate that keeps making truce comments and bow to the moderate/liberal bloc and in doing so he is killing any support he will get from the socon group not too mention should he win, he could face the same problem McCain had in that voters simply salute him with the same finger he gave us and stay home. Not saying it is the right thing to do, but it will happen.

The reality is this. We do not need to give up socon issues to lure people to the party. We do not need to drop our ficon issues to lure people to the party. People are either tired of the dems nonsense or they are not. If a candidate stating marriage needs to stay between a woman and man keeps them from voting republican, they were not going to vote that way in the first place. If a candidate stating that SSI/Medicare/Medicaid must be reformed and drastic cuts must happen to keep the program solvent causes them to turn to the dems, they were not going to vote our way in the first place. We do not need to kiss a single ass in this election. Either people are on our side because of the devastation they have seen the dems cause or they are idiots and will vote dem no matter what.

We all need to stick to our principles, we need to recognize that you can not separate social issues from fiscal issues because they are entwined, and we do not need to water down our message for the mysterious swing voter. We can win flying both the socon flags and the ficon flags, but we will lose with the Daniels type comments.

but the fact is that regardless of what he meant, it is obvious how it was perceived. And if he did not mean it the way it has been perceived, he would have long ago clarified his remarks.

And you and many other can say we need to moderate on social issues and we will continue to say BS. Most socon issues are entwined with fiscal issues and even if they were not, there is not one valid reason why we should back up and stay silent just to appease the ficons or Daniels. Either people are going to vote for us because they recognize the dems for who they are or they are not. And I hate to remind you that the same calls for moderation are now being thrown at the fiscal issues. Alan West just stated now is not the time to strip funding for Obamacare because it may anger some. We are being told to leave SSI and medicare alone because we may turn off some voters. Are you willing to moderate on those important issues? If not, why should we moderate?

A person can be fiscally fit and still be upfront with their social beliefs. They can do both equally and still get every vote they would have gotten had they only talked about fiscal issues. The only ones who say different are the Daniels types and they are dead wrong.

you will not win the race alienating the largest bloc of the republican party even if you get all the possible voters on your side. And he is quickly turning off every socon out there and even some outside that bloc.

And I disagree that his speech was aimed at voters. Nothing I saw was a pandering speech but it was a policy/planned action speech. Either way it matters little since he has done a better job at taking away most if not all of the socon vote in a matter of a few weeks than the dems or any other candidate could have done.

with this nonsense. Abortion is a major problem in this country, 50 plus million so far and counting, fiscally, abortion costs us a lot of money so it is a fiscal issue as well, and we do not need to stay quiet about something so horrible to appease people like you. If someone is willing to vote for Obama just because they love to kill babies, they were not voting with us anyways ever. All this BS about alienating sets of people if we stay true to our values is absolutely hands down the most moronic nonsense a person can spew, period.

Daniels is done whether or not anyone wants to admit it. His comments may have not been meant the way they were perceived, but he has sure not clarified them. He is done in nearly if not all of the social conservative states which means he has not chance at winning. And his pandering gained us nothing and not pandering will not lose us a thing.

The same nonsense you people are saying will happen if we bring up social issues is the same nonsense that is happening with the platform of fiscal issues. We are getting attacked on every side, “kill the old” slogans are all over the place, people are whining about our plans, and yet we are still making gains. The same applies to social issues. Those who are so turned “off” by our social stance were never going to vote for us in the first place. They simply use that as another excuse as to why the vote dem.

reading don’t you. I would really suggest you work on that flaw prior to posting responses.

How about you work real hard on reading my response again, and then lets start this conversation over. Are you able to do that?