Rick Perry said a prayer on Sunday.
After you’ve picked yourselves up off the floor and recovered from your collective shock, you can read the full transcript of it here, or if you are so inclined, you can watch the video here. As is perfectly obvious to everyone who has ever met someone who’s attended a Christian church, Perry’s prayer was standard-fare mainstream evangelicalism – and painstakingly non-partisan. Perry went so far as to say:
“His agenda is not a political agenda, his agenda is a salvation agenda. Brother C.L., you and I have had this conversation. He’s a wise, wise God, and he’s wise enough to not be affiliated with any political party, or for that matter, he’s wise enough to not be affiliated with any man-made institutions. He’s calling all Americans, of all walks of life, to seek him, to return to him, to experience his love and his grace and his acceptance, experience a fulfilled life regardless of the circumstances. I want you to join with me as I share his word with you:”
However, Perry had the audacity to suggest – in keeping with the beliefs of virtually every religious person I know (including non-Christians) – that a nation needs the blessings of God in order to survive and thrive:
Lord, you are the source of every good thing, you are our only hope. And we stand before you today in awe of your power, and in gratitude for your blessings, in humility for our sins. Father our heart breaks for America. We see discord at home. We see fear in the marketplace. We see angers in the halls of government. And as a nation we have forgotten who made us, who protects us, who blesses us, and for that we cry out for your forgiveness.
This innocuous statement provoked some truly idiotic and bigoted responses on twitter from some folks who are regularly given column inches on prominent conservative blogs. Jenn Rubin, token “conservative” at the Washington Post, was really upset that the event was supposed to be inclusive, but Perry used the word “Christ.” Or something. Furthermore, Rubin posited that nobody outside of Texas likes Jesus or people who believe in Jesus, and therefore this was going to hurt Perry on the national stage.
At this point, though, it’s pretty clear that David Brooks is a more reliable barometer of conservative thought than Rubin. Perhaps more disturbing is that bloggers who are regularly given platforms at actual conservative sites went much farther (and stupider) than Rubin.
For instance, Jazz Shaw, regularly seen at Hot Air (advocating for conservative solutions like tax hikes!), opened the bidding with this nugget:
When people pointed out that you would pretty much have to be clueless about Christianity and Christians to interpret anything Perry said in that fashion, Shaw decided to illustrate that he was just as capable of misunderstanding plain English as he was mainstream Christian thought:
I challenged Shaw repeatedly to defend this ludicrous statement and even pointed out that Perry said the exact opposite of his tweet – to date Shaw has shown no inclination of walking back his comments at all. There is only one possible explanation for someone breaking out in hives at the mere mention of God like this – especially in light of Shaw’s clear unwillingness to admit that he had slandered Perry: anti-religious bigotry. Shaw doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to come right out and say that he hates Christians; he just contents himself with casually slandering someone on the basis of an ordinary statement of Christian belief.
On that score, I guess the execrable Doug Mataconis (regularly featured at the formerly conservative Outside the Beltway and also occasionally at Hot Air) deserves points for honesty and candor. At least he can admit he just doesn’t like people talking about God:
Look, you don’t have to be either a Christian or a religious person at all to be a conservative or a Republican. But if you hate Christians and religious people so much that you can’t suppress a reflexive sneer whenever someone is seen in public saying a prayer, this might not really be the movement for you.
Let’s put it this way – if Joe Lieberman were on TV saying a prayer at a Yom Kippur service and a conservative tweeted sarcastically, “Nice Yarmulke, Joe” or “why can’t he keep his Judaism to himself” or “The people of Connecticut elected a Senator, not a Rabbi. #justsayin #incaseyouforgot” he or she would rightly be drummed out of the movement as a bigot. A different standard should not apply to anti-Christian bigots but somehow instead the anti-Christian bigots get invited to write guest pieces at the biggest blogs on the right.
For people who insist that the Republican Party’s primary failing is being sufficiently tolerant, whatever that means, it seems clear this tolerance only runs in one direction: away from the public expressions of faith that our greatest leaders, from Washington to Lincoln to Coolidge to Reagan, have never been afraid to give. And if they truly believe honest public expressions of faith are unacceptable — that you give up the right to express your beliefs publicly the instant you run for office — then when are they going to stop kidding themselves about how intolerant they truly are?



Jeff Emanuel
Free Exercise
gmscan Tuesday, August 9th at 8:15AM EDT (link)Last time I checked, the Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion to ALL of us — even governors.
The annointed one
ag8tor Wednesday, August 10th at 6:22AM EDT (link)has declared the Constitution null and void by not paying any attention to it. Now these idiots are blasting Perry for a prayer. This country is in sad shape. Were it not for search for religious freedom
this country would not be here. I’d rather trust in the Almighty with Perry than Alah with “O”!
George Washington's Prayer
jhft Wednesday, August 10th at 10:53AM EDT (link)‘ Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.’
I guess Reagan's request for prayer at the 1980 convention
RealQuiet (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 8:45AM EDT (link)Or all the other times during his presidency were just flat out uncalled for. I don’t think Perry really gives a rip about what pundits from both sides of the aisle have to say. He’ll make a fine president and if he wants to invoke the Almighty in prayer, more power to him and our nation.
Rick said it in "NAWLINS":
funwithknives Tuesday, August 9th at 1:20PM EDT (link)“They’re never going to like us, so stop worrying about it” Or words to that effect. Ever hear of The !0 person Rule? Out of every 10 people you ever meet : 2 like you,2 hate you ,and 6 just don’t care. Surely cynical but food for thought.
Heh. Quite close to Art Chances' quote...
acat (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 1:35PM EDT (link)“we’ve been called racist so often it shouldn’t bother us anymore”.
At some point, we have to stop electing Rotary Club membes and Toastmasters and Church Elders who think that Job One is building a consensus, and start electing people who think Job One is implementing conservatism.
It’s fine to be a Rotarian or an Elder or whatnot, but .. don’t confuse consensus with Job One.
Perry sounds like he has his head on straight about this.
Mew
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Perry up, Paul up, Romney down a bit
snowshooze (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 1:58PM EDT (link)I think Perry is running as I advised him ( sure )
“Here’s the plan, I intend to lead to the win.”
Don’t look right, left or backwards. Straight ahead.
Just explaining a common sense plan will line up more support than all the pandering in the world. ( Again.. my attitude toward Independent’s is… who cares.. they will come if you are winning.. and bail out if you are losing anyway )
I will have to spend a bit more time familliarizing myself with Perry, I don’t know much about him as yet.
Romney is dropping to Perry, but I find it interesting that Paul is a winner too. Possibly Paul is just turning on his machine?
Ron Paul can't win the nomination. He's just line noise.
acat (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 2:11PM EDT (link)I’m convinced that Ron Paul, like Buddy Roemer, is just in this to fill his retirement account at this point.
Neither have a credible chance at winning – Erick never even listed Buddy in the horserace, and has all but moved Ron Paul to the also-ran pile. Ron cannot connect outside of his base, and never made the moves – running for Gov. of Texas, for instance – that would make him a credible POTUS nominee.
Anyway, I expect about half of Ron Paul’s supporters will be baked on election day and will stay in their dorm rooms eating nachos, and the other half will vote for whoever the GOP puts up.
The one who has to worry, as Erick has written, is Romney – once the “aura of inevitability” wears through, Romney is toast – he sucks as a candidate. Perry just turned up the heat on Romney.
About all that can stop Perry at this point is a major unforced error, a “Dean Scream” event… and one does not win multiple terms in Texas by making unforced errors.
Mew
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Paul is a distraction, at best.
snowshooze (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 2:24PM EDT (link)But I just found it interesting he came up a point.
It might also be explained as being backwash coming off the debt ceiling debacle and the credit rating downgrade, so support could come from our worshiped Independent’s and even Democrats.
If it's within the margin of error, then ... it's literally meaningless.
acat (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 5:22PM EDT (link)(this space for rent, inquire within)
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The Naked Public Square
MikeG (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 9:14AM EDT (link)This is what the late Fr. Richard John Neuhaus talked about when he discussed the rise of the “naked public square”. There is a set of people in this nation who will not be satisfied until every mention of God, faith, and religion is rendered persona non grata in the public arena (because they think it’s icky, or because talking about Christ gets you excluded from all the best cocktail parties on the DC circuit). Sadly, members of this set can be found across the political spectrum, though thankfully, it is nowhere close to being an even distribution.
Which, if you think about it, further drives home Perry’s point that God doesn’t have a party. You can find Republicans and Democrats alike who wish that we could just stop talking about Him. God interferes with their plans to establish Leviathan, for “[w]ho is like the Beast, and who can fight against it?” (Revelation 13:4). Answer: The Lamb.
A praying President (or Governor) doesn't bother me...
acat (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 11:33AM EDT (link)Not going to join in, but .. why is this a problem?
The specific statement in our founding documents is that “Government shall establish no religion”, and .. in the context of the 1700s, that had a very specific meaning – there shall be no State-sponsored church that all citizens must join.
It is simple foolishness to claim that the faith of one, be it Reagan, Perry, Palin, or even Ron Paul, is a “state church”.
Further, churches – not mosques nor temples nor synogogues, specifically *churches* have done much for the public good in our country. Not that the others aren’t “good” or aren’t trying but .. they’re such a smaller percentage of the population, so naturally lift less of the load.
Churches ran the first public schools.
Churches ran the first public hospitals.
Churches ran the first detox programs.
Do we really want to remove this from the square?
Something’s bughouse nuts with those that do …
Mew
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Mew on
4suramcan Wednesday, August 10th at 10:56AM EDT (link)cat. Good thinking. Bughouse nuts is really, devilish thinking.
Leon's spot on
streiff (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 9:22AM EDT (link)For reasons that are obscure to me Jennifer Rubin is considered a conservative and Matacnis is considered lucid. I’m just as puzzled about what Jazz Shaw brings to Hot Air as his writing has all the gravitas of whatever Tina Korbe has written and I’m pretty sure he’s never placed in a swimsuit contest.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Agreed. -nt-
Bill S (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 10:06AM EDT (link).
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Jazz Shaw
Obis_Sister (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 10:20AM EDT (link)My encounters with JS, albeit limited, have always resulted in the strong urge for a good shower.
Honestly, I don’t see what HotAir sees in him.
Obi’s Sister
www.justgrits.wordpress.com
Leon is generally spot on
MikeG (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 10:59AM EDT (link)This piece is no exception.
Crap, and now I’m humming “Hungry Like The Wolf” to myself.
Doug Mataconis-Below the Beltway
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 9:39AM EDT (link)A few years ago, somehow I found the Below the Beltway website. All articles are written by the site owner, Doug Mataconis. At that time, the majority of articles and discussions there were about Ayn Rand, and the wonders of her brilliance, and her atheism. For the last several months, Mataconis has been writing about the wonders and brilliance of Ron Paul. Here is a small sample.
You cannot read a positive article about Rick Perry that the Ron Paul supporters don’t all coming running to in droves. I suspect that those supporters, along with Mataconis, aren’t so worried about Perry’s Day of Prayer, as they are worried that once Perry announces, Paul will have even less chance at the nomination than he does now. What else would you expect from a desperate Paulbot.
Perry's Day of Prayer
msjallen Wednesday, August 10th at 11:44AM EDT (link)Very interesting reply.
We need to keep praying for our country so that we will defeat O with a person who believes in running our Nation by the Constitution for the People and not their own agenda.
Those who have rejected the Grace of God attack Christians
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 10:07AM EDT (link)because they fear we are right.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
My thoughts run along the same line, Tbone
lineholder (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 10:41AM EDT (link)except rather than saying “they fear we are right” I think it is more a matter of “they fear that what is written in the Bible is the absolute truth”.
Consider that Absolute Truth
funwithknives Tuesday, August 9th at 1:13PM EDT (link)in any form or persuasion is what Progressives fear and then attack and belittle.
Whether it is The Holy Book, or Austrian/Chicago Economics, To Bastiat , DeToqueville and those *Dead White Guys*, it all must be disdained. Relativism rules Progressives and in that sphere there are no absolutes. No moral compass, no set rules. Only what I establish for ME, and my “approved fellows”. Infantilism brought forward as a Total Lifestyle Choice, and frightfully, to be taught and learned for continuance.
This is one part of our continuing,eternal Fight for Liberty. Part of what ERIC speaks of , using “.. and keep the bridge with me.” ,as a call for assistance. Most all here have taken *One StepForward*. Now, everyone bring one.
I'm not religious, yet. . .
msctex (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 11:19AM EDT (link). . .I do not attack Christians. I recognize that of all the world’s religions, Christianity is most consistent with the Values which made this country what it is, thus since I support those Values, any attack would make no sense.
My point being, don’t assume whoever supposedly attacks for “religious reasons” is attacking your belief that Jesus Christ was crucified and rose from the dead. It could well be part of the conversation, but I’m betting it is not his main thrust. Because that guy would attack me as well, the instant he could ascertain what I believe.
This is about the fundamental Values — the rights of the Individual versus the supposed rights of an imagined Collective — which provide the Foundation of this nation. That is what they seek to undermine.
No, I think it's different reason
republitarian Tuesday, August 9th at 6:05PM EDT (link)As an atheist, my perception is that y’all get attacked by those who look down on you as brainwashed kooks and fear you having political power over their lives, as if you are just waiting for an opportunity to impose a backwards theocracy like the one in Iran.
They think of Jim Jones, leading his mindless followers toward certain doom, and then imagine a President Perry hearing voices compelling him to launch the nukes, or something equally batty.
I have no interest in his prayer sessions. If he gains wisdom from it then great. I’m going to judge him by his record as governor since that’s the best indicator of what kind of president he would be.
But, those same "progressives" who fear we would
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Wednesday, August 10th at 6:09AM EDT (link)impose a “backwards theocracy” on them wish to impose one on us. They continue to believe their liberalist propaganda in the face of facts, and believe they have the right to force us to conform to it. Jim Jones was actually a liberal, not a conservative.
Jim Jones
4suramcan Wednesday, August 10th at 11:07AM EDT (link)was nothing more than an emissary of the devil. Just another cult leader leading people astray.
Funny, but I look at athiests as not possesing enough common sense to make good decisions.
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, August 10th at 1:48PM EDT (link)Hey, Sparky, if you are right, I die and go poof, but I have enjoyed the tranquility and empowerment of my faith while here on earth.
If I’m right, you die and go to Hell for eternity.
Only fools take that bet. So, atheists really aren’t very bright in my opinion and those that actually trumpet their atheism are the bottom of that hierarchy as well.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Jazz Shaw Clearly Missed the Point
kipling (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 10:07AM EDT (link)The point is not whether God is on the side of any political party or nation but whether that political party and nation are on the side of God.
Jazz Shaw also posts (or crossposts) at Pajamas Media. There he reliably peddles his quasi-conservatism and moderate leftism on a regular basis.
Excellent post
irishgirl Tuesday, August 9th at 11:27AM EDT (link)Some of those so-called conservative pundits are flat out scared to death that the mere mention of God will have people running in the other direction and want to ward that off in order that we can have one of our most viable candidates to beat Obama” in the mainstream”. And in their fear, they subtly (or not) persecute Christians.
Perry simply followed the example of the Continental Congress
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 12:31PM EDT (link)which issued a proclamation to the entire nation on October 20, 1779, which clearly contains references to Christianity:
“Whereas it becomes us humbly to approach the throne of Almighty God, with gratitude and praise for the wonders which his goodness has wrought…above all, that he hath diffused the glorious light of the gospel,whereby, through the merits of our gracious Redeemer, we may become the heirs of his eternal glory: therefore, Resolved, That it be recommended to the several states, to appoint Thursday, the 9th of December next, to be a day of public and solemn thanksgiving to Almighty God for his mercies, and of prayer for the continuance of his favor and protection to these United States.”
A year later, they issued another, thanking God for “continuing to us the enjoyment of the gospel of peace.” This expression is taken from Romans 10:15 & Ephesians 6:15. On October 18, 1783, they proclaimed gratitude to all Americans for numerous blessings bestowed by God, “and above all, that he hath been pleased to continue to us the light of the blessed gospel, and secured to us in the fullest extent the rights of conscience in faith and worship.” (references to 2 Cor. 4:4)
My opinion is that most people in Washington just don’t want to admit they are sinners because being forced to admit their shortcomings would cut into their fun. Christians know we’re all sinners, but we spend our time trying to live up to the example set by Christ, realizing that our shortcomings are covered by the grace of God.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
Great point RWM
runner12 (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 5:13PM EDT (link)It amazes me that people who claim to be enlightened are so blazingly insecure when it comes to public displays of faith. This was not the case in the early years of our country.
Atheists or non- religious individuals were not offended by Christian prayers back then. They actually believed in peoples’ right to express their faith in the public square.
Nowadays, people are so insecure in their non- belief that they attack others who are secure in their faith. In my opinion, Perry should completely dismiss these people for the insecure beings that they are.
Thanks, runner12.
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Tuesday, August 9th at 5:32PM EDT (link)Really wish you were going to be at RSG03. Would love to meet you and some of the other regular, female commenters. Maybe next year.
As for non-believers, the ones like Bill Maher who are so filled with hate, anger and arrogance test my Christianity because I have a hard time controlling my anger and praying for my enemies. However, mostly, I just feel very sad for them because I truly cannot comprehend life without faith and Christian values, especially when one is facing hard times of any kind. Security in our faith is what enables Christians to support non-believers in their right to believe, or rather not believe, as they want and not be threatened by that right.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
The point is
4suramcan Wednesday, August 10th at 11:13AM EDT (link)who are they enlightened by.
well, satan, of course. Satan, the great deceiver, the great destroyer. The one behind all things outside of Gods will.
Runner12
msjallen Wednesday, August 10th at 11:50AM EDT (link)Great response. You are so very right. I have not thought about it that way but can truly see it now.
Jeremiah 17:5 -Thus says the LORD, “Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD.
Thank you, Leon.
rec0n Tuesday, August 9th at 7:57PM EDT (link)I tried unsucessfully to leave a scathing comment on Rubin’s post, but WaPo tweaks on my computer for some reason & wouldn’t accept it. And no, I don’t swear, but I REALLY disllike Rubin. ‘Doesn’t he KNOW how much he might OFFEND some Americans?” By not insisting that every Christian event be ‘pluralistic’? She gets to whine when their right to assemble is breached and not before, and that goes for Jazz and his snark as well.
HotAir and some of their more Liberaltarian-leaning posters do very little for me, either.
What Perry did, and has done to my knowlege for some years now, is very old school, and I appreciate a man that won’t bow to the brain-washed right anymore than he’s done to the left.
Thursday June 28, 1787 IN CONVENTION
arthurmanger17 (Diary) Wednesday, August 10th at 5:50AM EDT (link)Speech by Benjamin Franklin
Mr. President
The small progress we have made after 4 or five weeks close attendance & continual reasonings with each other-our different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last producing as many noes as ays, is methinks a melancholy proof of the imperfection of the Human Understanding. We indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom, since we have been running about in search of it. We have gone back to ancient history for models of Government, and examined the different forms of those Republics which having been formed with the seeds of their own dissolution now no longer exist. And we have viewed Modern States all round Europe, but find none of their Constitutions suitable to our circumstances.
In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, Sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the Contest with G. Britain, when we were sensible of danger we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection.- Our prayers, Sir, were heard, & they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the sacred writings, that “except the Lord build the House they labour in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without his concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing Governments by Human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest. I therefore beg leave to move-that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the Clergy of this City be requested to officiate in that Service-
"And
jlsankot Wednesday, August 10th at 6:46AM EDT (link)have we now forgotten that powerful friend?”
I’m afraid we, as a country, have. Our references to God are overshadowed for fear of “offending” someone, and yet those “someones” have no fear of offending us. I believe this is only one way the Communists plan to take over. They want us to remove God from our lips so they can proclaim victory in shutting God out of our lives. Even though God is still in our hearts, they can say they won because they no longer will be reminded of someone who is above them.
I will continue to proclaim God as my friend, ask him to help us turn this nation around and to protect us from our enemies, both foreign and domestic.
Kruschev, inthe fifties said
4suramcan Wednesday, August 10th at 11:24AM EDT (link)we will bury you(talking to America) And they have not stopped trying. Much of the internal problems we face is due to infiltration by commies. Just look at the ivy league schools. Men like Bill Ayers. Look at the public school system. But the strongest point of their infiltration lies in getting God out of our lives. They believe they have us ready for the slaughter now, and they are closing in. Will we let them finish us?
The masks come off . . .
wtbrewer Wednesday, August 10th at 7:20AM EDT (link)The history of Western civilization has been a love-hate relationship with the Christian God, who comes to us as Father. The Left’s shameless reaction to Rick Perry shows just how much the hate has festered.
billb
http://historeo.com/web/?p=1673
When the nation mourned for 9/11
tlhanger Wednesday, August 10th at 10:14AM EDT (link)we all called on the Father and the Son. We were united. Our President prayed and we felt comforted by the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Bush was demonized, yes, Christians always are persecuted. the last two years he was in office he cared so much for the military. He allowed the Democrats to have their way in Congress. He never complained. He knew the buck stopped with him.
Many things have changed in the last three years. Government wants to be our god. They tried and failed. The constant whining from the white house. Being fiscally orresponsible with all out money.
We will come out of this mess again only when we turn to God.
I think Rick Perry said what a lot of our nation thinks and I give him a big thumbs up. Michelle, Herman Cain, Sarah all are saying the same thing.
Terry L Hanger
They are saying it
4suramcan Wednesday, August 10th at 11:32AM EDT (link)because it is the truth, and they are truthful people. People like that are disappearing. Its a war we’re in, and satan seems to be winning. But the scripture says, “greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world. So there is hope, but only thru HIM.
Exactly why I stopped visiting HotAir years ago
tadams1138 (Diary) Wednesday, August 10th at 9:28AM EDT (link)Some time ago I made some comment to the effect that I didn’t understand why Allahpundit linked to everything that Christopher Hitchens writes because the guy is not a conservative and is only coincidentally concerned with Islam. I got dogpiled with accusations of spouting left-wing talking points and other nonsense. I think the militant atheism is a little too noticable over there. That’s one of the major reasons I prefer RedState over most right-leaning sites.
“I’m not a malefactor, I’m a lagomorph”
Hypocracy
cwfoster Wednesday, August 10th at 12:49PM EDT (link)I can’t remember who said it for proper attribution, but I read fairly recently that the Leftists love to invite debate from dissenting opinions then express shock and outrage when they find there actually IS a dissenting opinion!
We all KNOW that the Founders intended a total separation between Church and State, right?
“The only foundation for… a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.” – Benjamin Rush
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!” – Patrick Henry
“I have lived sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And, if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that ‘except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.;
“I firmly believe this; and I also believe, that, without his concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel;…
“I therefore beg leave to move, that henceforth prayers, imploring the assistance of heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed to business: and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.” (Benjamin Franklin as quoted by Jared Sparks, The Works of Benjamin Franklin, 1837, pp. 155-56)
“I support the doctrine of separation of church and state as traditionally interpreted to prohibit the establishment of an official national religion. But this does not mean that we should divorce government from any formal recognition of God. To do so strikes a potentially fatal blow at the concept of the divine origin of our rights, and unlocks the door for an easy entry of future tyranny. If Americans should ever come to believe that their rights and freedoms are instituted among men by politicians and bureaucrats, they will no longer carry the proud inheritance of their forefathers, but will grovel before their masters seeking favors and dispensations — a throwback to the feudal system of the Dark Ages.” (Ezra Taft Benson, “Freedom Is Our Heritage,” 10 Nov. 1970)
“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports… Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principles.” – George Washington, Farewell address
”Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty – as well as the privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” -John Jay
“God rules this world. It is the duty of nations as well as men to owe their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow… and to recognize the sublime truths that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.” – Abraham Lincoln
“I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there; in her fertile fields and boundless prairies, and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast world commerce, and it was not there. Not until I went to the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” (Quoted in The Spirit of America, p32, Bookcraft 1998) _-Alexis de Tocqueville
“America, under the smiles of a Divine Providence, the protection of a good government, and the cultivation of manners, morals, and piety, cannot fail of attaining an uncommon degree of eminence, in literature, commerce, agriculture, improvements at home and respectability abroad.” – George Washington
Gee, Washington in in that list twice, I guess he wasn’t fit to be elected dogcatcher! The problem isn’t finding quoted to support the Founders belief that religion has an INTEGRAL part in government, but rather, which ones are the BEST! The prohibition in the First Amendment is against the ESTABLISHMENT of an ‘official’ state religion, because they knew that once a church is recognized by the government over others the members of other faiths are relegated to second class citizenship. THIS was why a Baptist minister wrote Thomas Jefferson to address concerns that since most of the men forming the government wee Episcopalian (Church of England) that the US would end up with the Episcopalian Church actually RUNNING things, to the detriment of other denominations. It was in response to THIS that Jefferson wrote about “…the wall of separation of church and state…”. THIS has been taken out of context to mean that the state should be totally divorced from ANY expression of religion, and indeed has been given the weight of Constitutional text in our courts! It is time for We the People to stand up and put people in rememberance of what this country was founded upon, and what the founding documents actually say and mean.
Note to Nancy Pelosi: We don’t need to rely on the courts and the lawyers to interpret the Constitution, I looked, it’s in ENGLISH!