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Herman Cain’s Attorney [Basically] Admits Affair

Studies in failures to communicate.

In breaking news this afternoon, a Georgia woman is claiming that she had a 13-year affair with Herman Cain. She says she has documents (whatever they might be) which can back it up. In what can only be described as the guiltiest-looking no-comment statement in the history of politics, Cain’s lawyer offered this absurd response (especially hilarious parts in bold):

Mr. Cain has been informed today that your television station plans to broadcast a story this evening in which a female will make an accusation that she engaged in a 13-year long physical relationship with Mr. Cain. This is not an accusation of harassment in the workplace – this is not an accusation of an assault – which are subject matters of legitimate inquiry to a political candidate.

Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults – a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life. The public’s right to know and the media’s right to report has boundaries and most certainly those boundaries end outside of one’s bedroom door.

Mr. Cain has alerted his wife to this new accusation and discussed it with her. He has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media and he will not do so even if his principled position is viewed unfavorably by members of the media.

One of two things is true about this statement. Either Mr. Cain and his attorney are basing their views on what is an appropriate subject of media scrutiny for political candidates on the way politics work on another planet (perhaps another galaxy, even), or they are basically trying to telegraph to us that he completely did it.  After following Cain’s campaign for the last several months, I would say either is equally likely.  After all, basically the only reason a Presidential candidate would take a principled stand against admitting or denying that they had a multi-year affair on the woman to whom they are still married is if they have some principled objection to lying about having completely done it.  And if that wasn’t the intended message, then Cain’s communications operation is even worse than we thought – which is really saying something.

Cain himself apparently went on CNN to talk about the allegations. CNN’s headline is billing this appearance as a denial by Cain of the allegations. A few points:

  • I watched the video at the link above and nowhere in there did he deny it. In fact, he did the opposite. He said that he didn’t know enough about the allegations (apart from the fact that an acquaintance was going to allege a multi-year affair) to respond, but once the allegations became clear, his attorney would respond. Which sort of contradicts what his attorney said at about exactly the same time, which was that he wasn’t going to even dignify the allegations with a response.
  • If indeed Cain did issue a blanket denial (I didn’t watch it live so maybe the CNN web monkeys cut the part where he actually denied any of the allegations), that also directly contradicts his lawyer’s statement about the “principled stance” Cain was prepared to take on this issue.

Doesn’t look good when a campaign can’t get their story straight about something as basic as this, and shoots themselves in the feet multiple times in the process.

UPDATE: A couple of additional points, for those who might be suffering cognitive dissonance from this post as compared to my posts defending Cain from the sexual harassment allegations a few weeks back. At that time, we were told no details about who the women were, or any details about what Herman Cain was alleged to have done. I kind of felt the Cain campaign had a point in that it’s awfully hard to respond to allegations of “sexual harassment” (which is a term that contains a significant amount of ambiguity) from anonymous women. This, however, is completely different. This woman has already come forth and given us her name, occupation, details of how she knew Cain, phone bills showing text messages with Cain, and details of how and when they allegedly met. To answer these allegations with the same sort of stonewalling (or even, more strenuous stonewalling) smacks of guilt. Sorry.

UPDATE II: I feel compelled to add one more thing. As hilarious as Lin Wood’s statement is, he is definitely a competent lawyer. Which is to say, there is no way he would have released it unless he was convinced in his own mind that he had Cain’s consent to do so. Make of that what you will.

COMMENTS

  • sunshinek67

    Sincerely, KWilson

    • izoneguy

      999 – LOL

      • WY_Cowboy

        they are doing? If it’s true, why on earth did he decide to run for president?

        Time for him to withdraw from the race. Really.

        • texanlady

          Don’t they think that in the age of the internet that everything will come out? Why do candidates put parties through this? Edwards quit the race. Hillary stood by Bill. No wonder Cain’s wife does not come out on the campaign trail. He needs to exit quickly.

          • briefsynopsis

            perhaps they even felt that an affair would not hurt him for more then 5 or 10 points with a certain demographic,.. and that they could still capture the flag by nibbling into the “Black” vote by 20 or 30 points.
            What makes them amaturish is that they did not really understand this game is a blood sport.
            The previous allegations served as body blows to soften him, and probably all of us for the punch to the head!

            PWND!

            And now we are all one step closer to that thousand years of darkness.

          • supergirl2911

            Promounced-Mah-Tay
            Spelling and pronunciation perhaps incorrect just enjoying the blood sport or “BloodSport” reference.
            “I love anything full contact. I need a few more scars on my face”

          • naraht

            Can someone please give me a guide to which of the candidate spouses have been significantly out on the campaign trail with the candidates (or even separately).

          • septembergurl

            Herb Cain prefers to campaign without the ball and chain, whose presence would cut down on hitting on women and drinking wine with breakfast.

            Anita Perry and Ann Romney often campaign on their own but are there for major events (debates, major announcements etc)

            Mary Kaye Huntsman and Callista Gingrich are almost always at their husband’s sides. Likewise Marcus Bachmann.

            I’ve never seen Santorum’s wife, or Ron paul’s.

        • tankertodd

          That is the only explanation. Or that perhaps he created loyalty among these women that somehow they wouldn’t come forward or something.

          He’s toast. Thanks for playing. Pick up your partying gift on the way out.

          • serpounce

            That he didn’t expect to ever be the front runner. He wanted to make bit of a splash that would lead to selling some books, get some more radio listeners, maybe even get a show on FOX, and figured that no one would bother leaking dirt on a guy polling <5%..

            I worry the same is true of Newt.

      • sunshinek67

        The devil made him do it. Remember Bachmann’s prophetic ding in the Bloomberg debate?

      • Scope

        Cain is saying nein-nein-nein, while his lawyer is saying mind your own dang business.

        • redmymind

          Nyet-Nyet-Nyet . . . unless, of course, one were snickering!

          I gotta hand it to ya . . . I was wrong this morning when I thought only my breakfast would be, well, . . . “toast”.

      • BlueLandRed

        pardon the vernacular… shouldn’t that be changed from 999 to 696969

        Just saying.

        And what a creep… I feel sorry for Mrs. Cain. She needs a better husband.

      • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

        CNN left that part of the interview out of the video clip they put up on their web site when they initially broke the story on their web site. Their headline was accurate; Herman did deny the allegations of an affair.

        Here’s the continuation of the interview on the CNN site. Blitzer’s specific questions about whether there was an affair or a sexual relationship come at the 1:00 mark:

        http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/11/28/sr-cain-not-quitting-mpg.cnn

        And Mediate also put up the entire interview, including the denials. That part of the interview begins at the 2:59 mark:

        http://www.mediaite.com/tv/herman-cain-breaks-news-of-his-own-third-sexual-harassment-accuser-live-on-cnn/

        Thank you.

        ColdWarrior

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          I heard the clear denial on the way home from work and have since seen the video of his interview with Blitzer in which he denies the allegation and further states the woman has no evidence of an affair.

          I’m clearly in the minority here because I still give Mr. Cain the benefit of the doubt, mostly because I’m convinced there is nothing the liberals won’t do to bring down anyone they are afraid of and because I haven’t seen any evidence yet. Cain presented the GOP with an opportunity to pull at least a portion of the black vote away from Obama, and since the Democrats have articulated their plan is to keep all minority votes, that surely wouldn’t be tolerated.

          However, I agree that his staff and attorney have handled the accusations poorly, and ultimately, that is a reflection on his decisions. That, coupled with his comments re Libya, are fair criticisms and have caused my support to waiver.

          At this point, I am an uncommitted GOP voter. I want to beat Obama.

          What make me truly sad about this entire situation is that some seem to take pleasure in the misfortune and failings of others. They’ve assigned guilt without evidence, never stopping to consider what if Cain is indeed innocent and how this hurts the GOP and conservatism.

          I guess I just don’t understand the mindset of hoping to see someone fail. As for me, I’ll be on my knees tonight praying that each and every one of our candidates can and will be a voice through which we can advance conservatism. And then tomorrow, in my spare time outside of work, I’ll be back working in my local GOP to reach voters.

          • Tbone

            The guy is totally clueless on foreign policy and his 999 Plan is a non-starter. He lied about not knowing about the sexual harassment settlements.

            He has lied about this affair. The gal has cel phone bills with his number.

            You guys can stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes all you want but that doesn’t change the fact that Cain is an inept and inexperienced buffoon.

            And yes, I am taking pleasure in watching you Cainiacs having to face the reality of your own stupidity.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            . . .

          • Tbone

            What about the fact that this woman will be able to provide places and dates? Cain is finished and rightly so .

            But, you can’t say you weren’t warned weeks ago, you just didn’t want to face the truth then, just like you don’t want to face it now.

          • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

            Most Americans who would ordinarily go to the polls are not even paying attention yet to the Republican field.

            And they certainly aren’t paying attention to what goes on here at Redstate.

            Indeed, nor does the Cain campaign.

            The real story here is this:

            Herman should have come out with his denials at the very start of the interview with Blitzer instead of waiting to be prompted.

            Indeed, I have advised his campaign regarding a media strategy but it’s a bit “unconventional” and I’m afraid his closest advisers are too timid to carry it out. It suffers from two problems that most new, good ideas suffer from: the “not invented here” syndrome and the “we’ve never done it that way before” syndrome.

            Herman should have made his announcement about these allegations on Fox, not CNN. CNN made sure he got hurt.

            I do not know what is in Herman’s heart. I have met him one-on-one along with his staff. So far, all of these allegations, including this latest, lack substance.

            Having watched the complete Blitzer interview, and then reviewing the attorney’s statement in light of Herman’s unequivocal denials, it’s clear the culprit here is CNN. All the more reason for Herman to NEVER appear on CNN again.

            This too, I believe, will pass IF Herman is telling the truth.

            Herman’s campaign is now in a perfect position to turn the tables on CNN. As I have advised them to do. Will they? Probably not. For the two reasons I gave above.

            Thank you for all you do in your local GOP committee.

            If only more Redstaters would do the same.

            Thank you.

            ColdWarrior

    • ohiohistorian

      Is that you? Is that Newt? Is that Romney? Cain may have had an affair; that is between him and his wife. He is in the same box as Newt, just more recently discovered. He hasn’t come out and lied about his past involvements like Romney has on many issues or Huckabee did on tax positions in 2008. I for one am looking for a human being to be my President. I already have a Savior.

      KWilson, (sunshine67) did you know that forgiveness makes you a bigger person? Or are you leaping to the conclusion that the other problems he was accused of are true now that this is revealed?

      Get some sense, Republicans. If you want a Pastor, go get a Pastor. If you want a President, there are several to pick from in this field, and Cain is one of them. Let’s keep our cool, and learn some forgiveness, but continue to watch them. The ones who don’t seek forgiveness for their changes in beliefs (Newt, Romney) scare me more than the ones who admit that they erred.

      • runner12

        Character matters when electing officials, choosing the wrong character can mean destruction to a country. I will also add that Mr. Cain did not “admit” to anything. The reporters discovered this and that is the only reason Mr. Cain is discussing it today.

        As far as the “pastor” comment, it is an old line usually used to dismiss some public official’s obvious moral/character failure. No one is asking for the “perfect” person, at least the sane ones are not. But character does matter. If Cain had admitted this affair, assuming it is true, from the get go of his candidacy that would be totally different. It would have shown that he was truly sorry and had learned from his mistake. But admitting it after it became exposed by the press, not so good.

        • heraklios

          and no one cared, didn’t the standard of personal conduct get lowered (a lot) for every other candidate, Democrat or Republican

          • runner12

            NT

          • iidvbii

            We are the good guys. We do not lower our standards based on the behavior of our enemy. In fact it is this very difference that makes us who we are. It is hard to be our candidate, we require more of them. If you are not up to the challenge, well no one is forcing you to run are they?

        • ohiohistorian

          Can’t refute the “pastor” comment, so you try to play it as a old line. No one said that character doesn’t matter. Cain has literally hundreds of people who have spoken out in his favor. What about Obama? I can’t find anybody who speaks for him who didn’t try to bomb the Pentagon. The people he surrounds himself with speak volumes. Look at those around Cain and compare to Obama, and then tell me about character again.

          My main criteria is someone who has some brains, a record of achievement, and can beat the Big O. A black President who is not turning this country into Zimbabwe is also desirable.

          • runner12

            point out the truth of what a weak position that is. You cannot tell me that when electing the leader of the free world, character does not count. Lying to one’s wife about a 13 year affair sounds like a character issue, doesn’t it? Why do we continue to pretend as humans that our lives are somehow compartmentalized into different factions? That we can lie and cheat in our personal lives, but be as honest and pure as the driven snow in every other area. That is not reality.

            Cain has had people say very nice things about him, he has also had six women accuse him of sexual harassment. I am still trying to give him the benefit of the doubt on these accusations, but if this affair turns out to be legitimate it boosts these women’s claims.

            As for my criteria, it is more extensive than yours. I want a constitutional conservative, a champion of states’ rights, someone who supports limited government, a fiscal hawk who will start cutting spending, socially conservative, a person with morals/character (not perfect), and someone who will clean out corruption in Washington.

          • westcoastpatriette

            is just nuts. A liar and deceiver in their personal life translates into a liar and deceiver in their public life. It’s a no brainer for me.

          • texabama

            is not what is being discussed. The color of my President is immaterial. That is not the criteria by which I will cast my vote. I agree that Obama surrounds himself with people I would not associate with and, therefore, would never get my vote. I do, however, expect more from my President than just having good people around him/her. I want them to have morals and values as well.

          • californiagold

            ….the world without pizza….it’s easy is you try….

            …No 999 below us…above us only sky….

            ….Imagine all the voters….living for today…..

            You, you may say I’m a dreamer…but I’m not the only one..

            I hope some day you’ll join us, and the party will be as one…

      • supergirl2911

        Shows your character like nothing else I’ve experienced.

  • Bill S

    This statement from Cain’s lawyer:

    Rather, this appears to be an accusation of private, alleged consensual conduct between adults ? a subject matter which is not a proper subject of inquiry by the media or the public. No individual, whether a private citizen, a candidate for public office or a public official, should be questioned about his or her private sexual life. The public?s right to know and the media?s right to report has boundaries and most certainly those boundaries end outside of one?s bedroom door.

    is one of the most incredible claims I’ve heard in political circles. Seriously? You don’t think this is something that should come out in a political campaign? You think that a candidate having an affair is NOT relevant?

    I don’t care if Cain is guilty or not. For this kind of statement to come from him, whether out of his mouth or from his lawyer, is yet more proof that this guy has no business running for POTUS.

    Wow.

    • throwback59

      would come out eventually?
      13 years- now I know what he meant by “Cain is Able.”

      • tomatin

        I liked what he believed in but he was never ready for the spot light.

    • JSobieski

      Thinking that this would never come out is shere insanity.

      Cain was not ready for major league ball. There is a reason why Presidential candidates should be former governors.

      • tomatin

        The biggest thing the GOP had in past elections was candidates with character. For one we didn’t accept candidates who just burst on the scene. It took two election cycles to nominate candidates like Reagan and Bush. Then when we did run primaries there were only a few candidates that ran. Somehow we have to get to screening candidates better.

        • streiff

          for some time.

        • donald_24

          The RNC does not “vet’ candidates. It is official policy to remain neutral during primaries. Vetting is up to the voters and the media.

          • heraklios

            .

      • ffc99

        it’s pretty clear he only got into the race to sell some books and maybe land a better radio/tv gig. I can’t believe he ever thought he’d break 5 or 10% in any polling, much less take a lead as he did a few weeks ago. If Herm had been polling at less than 10% for the entirety of the primary campaign (ie, a non factor), it’s likely we never would have heard about any of this…

        • ohiohistorian

          Why would a guy go to the effort of trying to put together a plan for the economy if he was just gigging as you claim?

          • ffc99

            much of a plan, now is it? It’s little more than a cute soundbite.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      Why not just say… “Mr. Cain is literally tired of the media creating media storms over nothing just because past associations would like to take their 15minutes… none of these allegations are true…”…?

      Unless… there is some truth to the allegations?

      Fail.

    • satchman3

      nt

      • texanlady

        Edwards got out of the race before everything hit the fan. Edwards only had one that we know of. Cain is a major player, and I am beginning to thing those other ladies were telling the truth. There are probably many more. He needs to get out.

      • GregInFla

        the (retiring) Barney Frank having his six.

        • papabear

          nt

    • bk

      After the goofy woman with Allred came forward, he said: “I have not acted inappropriately with this woman or any woman in my entire career.”

      Maybe he and Lin Wood think they can say that in his “career” means he did nothing that would legally be defined as sexual harassment in the workplace, but everyone else in the country knows what “inappropriate” means when they see it.

      Now he says about White: “Here we go again. I didn’t do anything wrong.”

      Oh please. “Wrong” doesn’t mean “illegal” – it means “wrong” for God’s sake. We don’t need another President Parser.

  • tomatin

    I like Cain. I don’t know why and I did not support his campaign but he is sucking all the air out of the room now.

    It’s bad enugh we’ve let the LSM define all our candidates Cain is the womanizer, Romney is the electable moderate flip flopper, Perry is conservative and another Bush, Newt is the corrupt old GOP, Bachmann is the drama queen. The LSM is trying to make the GOP nomination into some kind of sick reality show. I can’t believe how we are letting them do it.

    • lucasblack

      And to think that Gary Johnson wasn’t given a slot in the debates but Cain was….

  • wacowboy

    now this is all Rush, Levin, Hannity, etc will talk about for another two weeks instead of REAL ISSUES.

    the more time we spend talking about Herman Cain’s bedroom, the less time we spend promoting conservative ideas and plans to solve our nation’s problems. We could put it this way — the more time we spend talking about Herman Cain, the better the odds that Romney is the nominee.

    • wacowboy

      would change it if I could

      • Bill S

        No worries.

        • wacowboy

          nt

    • tomatin

      At least the troops should force Cain out quick. Let’s face it they are just starting to act like politically correct wimps when it comes to Cain.

      • texabama

        is the real problem as we are heading into the holiday season. This will be the political story everyone hears. It will drown out the problems in Pakistan and the rest of the Middle East. Forget Europe and the imploding euro. And then there’s Newt. Will this help or hurt him?

  • Common_Cents

    She says she has some evidence but she has a checkered past of unemployment, bankruptcy, libel suits, sexual harassment case etc…

    She also said they would stay at ritz carlton atlanta and dine out. How the heck could a well known guy like Cain do that in his own town? That seems a little suspicious to me.

    Anyway, here is the local report w/ the info so far.

    http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/ginger-white-claims-affair-herman-cain-20111127-es

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Would have been better than what Cain’s attorney said. “Mr. Cain thinks Hitler gets a bad rap from the historians” would have been better than what Cain’s attorney said.

      Cain’s entire plan for running the country is that he would hire experts who would do a good job of things. I guess we are not supposed to look at the incompetent people he hires to run his comms operation.

      • Common_Cents

        It sounds like Cain probably changed his mind to get out front of this, after Lin Wood made his statement.

  • izoneguy
    • sunshinek67

      nt

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      tsk, tsk.

      • txpat

        On this as well.
        I am sure that the woman and the evidence will dribble out.
        We are looking at least 7 days of coverage.
        Cain strikes me as a poker player, and he will try to weather this as well.
        Question is will he bleed more support, and where will those folks go.

    • David123

      yet Newt Gingrich isn’t toast yet after definitely having had at least two affairs?

      We’ve got three good conservative candidates running to choose from – Bachman, Perry, and Santorum. All three of them are supporting good moral family values by the way they lead their own lives.

      Don’t like them – then there’s Mitt Romney. He also leads a moral personal life and he’s a conservative by Massachusetts standards.

      Your photoshopping artwork is clever and funny. And I agree that the Cain-train has derailed – I just think the Newt express will also jump the tracks before November 2012.

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        Some people are just gonna have to deal with that. Oh well.

      • Scope

        It seems that after the Cain allegations, many jumped off his bandwagon, and jumped on Gingrich’s. It’s almost as though old affairs don’t matter, but only newer ones do. ???

        • miconservative

          that he is squeaky clean like Cain has. We all know Newt’s baggage and he hasn’t denied it. What is troubling is that Cain said that he has never done anything like this which now appears to be an outright lie.

          • Leon H. Wolf

            Thus, I am not as concerned about them. What I am concerned about, at this point, is that the Cain campaign fails the baseline minimum competency test in communications and crisis management, which disqualifies him from being our nominee, lest we witness a bloodbath in both the Presidential election and several Congressional races. If you can’t develop a coherent message and stick to it when the issue is something as simple as whether you carried on a 13-year affair, you have a problem.

          • acat

            since the first “bimbo eruption” took place.

            I don’t think anyone else could have written this diary as effectively, and I appreciate your efforts, both to defend Cain, and now to encourage him to withdraw his hat from the ring.

            My sincere thanks.

            Mew

          • jaykali

            It’s bc when you’re guilty it never is.

          • GregInFla

            about it like Clinton instead of maybe telling what he knows as he remembers it, which I believe is what happened with the earlier accusations. That said, if this affair is true, that Cain bumper sticker never makes it to my car. It’s been waiting for four weeks on the counter.

          • Leon H. Wolf

            I defended him from the sexual harassment allegations for that reason. I can provide links if you want. This is a completely different species of animal.

          • GregInFla

            There was another front-pager whose diaries regarding Cain made me stop visiting redstate for a couple weeks. I mean multiple diaries on the same front page dissing Cain. That was more than I could bear. I was very glad to see your fair diary here. Thank you.

          • heraklios

            that all the South FLorida Cuban politicians indorsed Willard Mittens Romney today. How many duffel bags of cash did his campaign staff deliver before the announcement?

      • tankertodd

        He apparently thought that the National Restaurant Association was his pick-up zone. It’s just not going to happen for him now.

        It’s hard to look past. And I sent the guy money. I think we can do better. He’s shaped the conversation and his 9-9-9 plan caught fire a bit, and I hope it sticks with whomever wins the nomination.

      • SoFiMil

        .

        • SoFiMil

          Infidelity is a serious indiscretion, regardless of when it occurred. But the length of time sense the adultery occurred gives me time to evaluate whether the individual has reformed and changed their ways.

  • Finrod

    This is ridiculous. Calling a non-denial admitting it is total [deleted to comply with site policy].

    By those standards I could accuse you of anything and if you don’t immediately deny it, you’re guilty. Do you want to live by those rules?

    Criticize the Cain campaign all you want, but to draw unsupported inferences like you’re doing means you are guilty of the same bad practices that conservatives have accused the MSM of for decades.

    I’m done on this subject.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Either that or you can’t bring yourself to address the post on its merits. Either way, doesn’t matter.

      For those who don’t know Lin Wood is a) a dude, and b) a very competent attorney. No way he made that statement without Cain’s approval. And no way is that a denial that passes muster with anyone with a brain.

      “I have heard that allegations are going to come out that over a period of several years, I had sexual relations with a goat. However, they are just allegations. And until we know the particulars of which goat this is alleged to have been and where and at what times the sexual encounters with these goats are alleged to have taken place, we cannot respond.”

      Seriously.

      Look, I spent 3 or 4 consecutive posts defending Cain on the front page but I’m not willing to check my brain at the door here. If he’s innocent of these specific allegations then he is so incompetent at handling them then he should be kept far away from any position of political prominence whatsoever.

      • Finrod

        Herman Cain denied this story, on CNN, before the woman even accused him:

        http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/28/politics/cain-accusation-affair/index.html

        This makes this whole post by Leon look even more stupid and foolish than it already is, since it completely undercuts the narrative here.

        • JSobieski

          The only one looking foolish is Cain.

          It seems that Cain and his campaign are never on the same page.

        • JSobieski

          “Mr. Cain has alerted his wife to this new accusation and discussed it with her. He has no obligation to discuss these types of accusations publicly with the media and he will not do so even if his principled position is viewed unfavorably by members of the media.”

          I do like Cain in a lot of ways, but as we learned in 2008 with the Fred Thompson campaign, when people say that they are running “a different kind of campaign” what they really mean is that they are running an incompetent campaign.

        • Xasteius

          Cain’s narrative: More false allegations.

          Cain’s lawyer narrative: Allegations are addressing personal business between tow individuals.

          Not the same thing.

        • Leon H. Wolf

          But what part of Cain’s denial in the slightest way contradicts the fact that his lawyer’s statement (which was certainly approved by Cain) makes him look guilty as hell? Or did you miss that that was the point of the whole story? Must be that I’m so stupid that I can’t write at a level you can understand.

      • Bill S

        is really the most relevant part to me. If he did it, well then he’s over, out, done and gone. But if he DIDN’T, then this is yet another in a lengthy history of incompetence by those around Cain. He keeps deferring hard questions, saying “I don’t know – I’ll ask the smart people I appoint”. But those allegedly smart people he’s surrounded himself with so far seem to be pretty darned inept.

    • Tbone

      De Nile.

    • JSobieski

      I agree that a non-denial should not generally speaking, be construed as an admission.

      However, in the context of a fairly specific allegation of infidelity, child molestation, or theft (republicans only), any statement that is not a direct denial is going to be construed as an admission of guilt.

      This is not a “when did you stop beating your wife scenario”.

    • satchman3

      There’s still time for Cain to shift gears and come out with a blanket denial. He did a pretty good job with the harassment accusations but I think he needs to unequivocally deny these allegations and not no-comment them. That assumes he can deny them.

      If he can’t deny these allegations he’s probably done irreparable harm to his candidacy. Or maybe not – Newt seems to have gotten away with it.

    • Xasteius

      Leon probably, I daresay, is the most balanced of the front-pagers on Cain. When you’ve lost Leon….

  • westcoastpatriette

    denials coupled with constantly deferring to his attorneys, or feigning ignorance until he has more information, is giving us an inside look at how he would function in the White House. Starting to fee almost like Obama’s style of leading from behind.

    No thanks.

    • westcoastpatriette

      ,,

    • wacowboy

      having the attorney/spokesman say one thing

      and then

      He says something different.

      The chicken is running around wondering where its head is.

  • Tbone

    If she got no dress, don’t confess.

    LOL

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

    • gator_hoo

      If you agree with a comment in a Herman Cain post, write 9-9-9 instead of 5!

      But I have a twisted sense of humor.

  • streiff

    Surely there must be a Cain supporter out there who will argue that what a politician does in his private life has no bearing on what he will do in public life.

    Who will be first?

    • satchman3

      Is Newt a Cain supporter? We’re going to need his intellect to explain this to us.

      • circlegranch

        but hopefully, he’ll make a statement later tonight and enlighten us for sure. We will need the smartest brain in the country to guide we simpleton’s so we aren’t left to figure out our own opinions.

        Anybody heard when the next Newt/Herman fireside chat is scheduled? Perhaps Newt will comment about how personal failures and indiscretions, or accusations thereof, should not be drawn into a campaign; Herman will nod in agreement.

        • Common_Cents

          and of course the first thing he was asked was about Cain. He just said its unfortunate and its up to Cain to deal with it.

          Gingrich was on w/ Tim Scott in SC, just before doing a Town Hall w/ Scott.

          • Tbone

            her number.

      • windwaker24

        “Perhaps Cain loved his country too much!”

      • streiff

        in favor of either himself or Cain. I believe Gingrich has expressed regrets at his misadventures.

    • gator_hoo

      ?We each have our own experiences, he?s a great guy. Have an affair with either one of us and you?ll be happy,? Romney said. “But don’t go public about an affair with me now, I am running for office, for pete’s sake.”

    • federalfarmer1

      Let’s see: Abraham, king David, pretty much every Christian emperor and king, plus a sizable number of popes, at least a few of our founders, grover Cleveland (a very underrated president), Eisenhower, and probably many others we have no idea about. The ability to lead a chaste and decent life is a quality I look for in my pastor. It’s about the last thing ill look at for politicians, so long as some discretion is exercised.

      • Tbone

        One should never have a mistress one can’t trust both during and after. Further, one should never piss off one’s mistress. Cain obviously chose poorly and pissed off this gal somehow.

        Cain is done and it is a very good thing.

  • veritaseequitas

    That being said, Herman you have had your day in the sun. Get out now, you will not be the nominee. You have no gravitas.

  • bzip

    You know the bad thing about the ongoing Cain Sex Train -
    It will once again take out all the oxygen from two important items:
    a)Perry message and Sheriff Joe’s endorsement of Perry
    b)It will take away from the Newt vetting which seems like others just want to ignore Newt;’s baggage.

    All in all we have a major distraction with the Cain Sex Train.

    • Whacker77

      Is Sheriff Joe’s endorsement suppose to be some sort of game changer?

      • ffc99

        poster clearly seems to think so. I have no idea why.

      • bzip

        If you don’t know Sheriff Joe and the importance of it within the conservative base – I would strongly argue you need to go back to politics 101 and come back when you know something that resembles some form of intelligence.

        • mrmises

          No one cares what a big-mouthed-nobody law enforcement officer thinks about the GOP primary. I can’t wait until our other favorite Joe (the plumber) weighs in. I’m on the edge of my seat.

          On a more serious note, anyone who would be persuaded by Sheriff Joe was probably a Perry supporter to begin with.

          • gekster

            A sheriff who actually upholds the law is a joke to you.
            I think you should look in a mirror to find the joke.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            Sheriff Arpaio is a mediocre – at best – sheriff, but he’s one hell of a politician. Violent crime in Arizona since 2002 is down 12%. It’s down in every county but Maricopa. In Maricopa County it’s up 58%. For every dollar Joe has saved the county taxpayers on jail cost, he’s spent at least one on litigation settlements from lawsuits based on how he runs the County Jail (the second or third largest in the nation), to the tune of about $500MM.

            Bottom line, Joe is a great politician.

          • bzip

            You sure made yourself clear and well known as the person who holds the lowest IQ on the planet earth.

            Come back when you can have some idea who Sheriff Joe is what he has meant to the conservative base for many years now.

            In the meantime you have made yourself look like a complete idiot.

  • Whacker77

    The 2012 variety show continues. First, we flirted with Trump, a man who staked a possible campaign on the birther issues. When that blew up in his face, he disappeared.

    Next, Bachmann came riding into the fray. She shot to the top and won the Iowa straw poll. Unfortunately, her penchant to say almost anything bit her with the “retarded” comment.

    Next came Rick Perry and his truely good resume. Unfortunately, he muffed the first few debates and then cemented an uflattering view of himself with the oops comment.

    Now, we’ve got Cain. Talking a good game doesn’t always translate into producing a good game. Now, we see why tough vetting is needed as he has basically been caught lying to us and most importantly to his family. Tragic.

    Cain is just the latest to fall apart in the 2012 race. That pretty much leaves us with Mitt, Newt, and the man in reverse, Huntsman. Yikes. That’s hardly a choice.

    It’s not to late to start a draft movement. At this rate, everyone of the declared choices will have blown their feet off by Iowa.

    • iidvbii

      Dude you have lost to. SARA ISN’T GONNA RUN WOULDN’T WIN IF SHE DID. Get over it.

  • bzip

    It was the very first thing I thought of when reading Cain’s lawyers statement – it seems like the lawyer was basically admitting it was true but it wasn’t our business since it was abuse or harassment.

    Then the second lousy thing is Cain and the lawyer aren’t on the same page. But like in the past the Cain Sex Train has always handled things poorly so it isn’t surprising.

    Leon is totally correct in this. What is shocking is you will find people who will defend Cain till the end, just like you will find defenders of Newt in spite of his flip-flopping his martial issues, his ethic violation. People just what to believe what they want no matter what the facts are,

    Here we are trying to elect the next President and we are actually talking sex scandals and ethic violations with two of the major candidates (Vain and Newt) – this country has gone nuts,

  • iidvbii

    To be honest Cain lost me when he demanded that everyone must accept his analysis of his 9-9-9 or 9-0-9 or 9-17-54 or whatever plan it is this week. Constantly he refused to accept the idea that someone else might have a working calculator. Not to mention that apples and oranges thing. The harassment allegations true or not where dismally handled by both himself personally. Who can forget the evolving story through the day. As well as his campaign, the unsubstantiated attacks on Perry while playing the victim of unsubstantiated attacks was frankly sickening. But truly this one takes the cake. If I understand this correctly he basically said. I can’t deny cheating on my wife until I know which woman is accusing me. That to me says that I have cheated. I am guilty as sin. But I want to verify that a legitimate accuser has surfaced that might be believable or has proof before I bite the bullet. His lawyer simply confirms this view with his statement in my opinion. Am I the only one who is beginning to feel sorry for his wife and kids? Mr. Cain, please leave the race. Spare your family, the GOP and America the rest of this pitifully display.

    • irishgirl

      am beginning to understand why he and his wife are never together………..

  • reggie182

    When it comes to the harrassment/affair allegations. My problem is that he seems to have little depth in foreign policy concerns. He is very intelligent and I could see him as Sec of Treasury material though.

    He should be smart enough to know that at this point he isn’t going to be nominated. I think maybe he thinks by dropping out at the right time and endorsing one of the other candidates, he stands a good shot at a cabinet post. He’d be a no go as a VP selection I’m afraid.

    • theprodigy

      I sure hope you’re joking. I don’t think even Cain knows what school of economic thought he subscribes to. I would guess Keynesian since he was fed chair in KC and supported bailouts, but who knows? One thing is for sure. He thought the economy was fine and dandy the week before it collapsed.

      • Tbone

        Even Cain can sign his name.

    • donald_24

      At this point, I don’t want Cain anywhere near the cabinet. Just imagine how messy the confirmation hearsings will be. The Democrats will call all the women, including the one who is alleging the affair, to testify before the Senate. It will be s circus that will be awful for the country to go through. It’s best for Cain to go serve on the board of some company and leave politics.

  • miconservative

    He is done. Momentum is down, down, down and ain’t nothing going to change it. This will just help increase the velocity. Let’s talk Romney, Newt and Perry. The only three who have a shot at the nomination.

    • Tbone

      the only one qualified for the nomination.

      • heraklios

        where do his supporters land?

        • Common_Cents

          If the trend continues, it will flow to Gingrich to build up a sizable lead near term.

          • heraklios

            ..

      • acat

        would have turned Rick from a bull to a steer if he’d ever wandered off the ranch…

        Mew

        • heraklios

  • Tbone

    to spend more time with his family…..or families as the case may be.

    • ripusa32110

      If Cain has multiple families then Newt “serial adulterer” Gingrich does too. I guess throwing every moral value away is worth is to vote for a globalist communitarian like Newt Gingrich. No thank you. I’ll stick with Ron Paul.

      • Tbone

        stupidity. Anyone who would vote for Ron Paul is the satanic spawn of the people who voted for Ross Perot.

    • redmymind

      nt

    • conservativemusician

      Cain is running very strong in the latest pubic opinion polls.

      (h/t Jay Leno’s headlines) :-)

  • goodolboy

    with his leadership background and conservative outlook. He knows more about economics than many people give him credit for. His 9-9-9 program would work as a bridge for the Fair Tax. He is no dummy when it comes to foreign policy. The world will look very different foreign policy-wise 14 months from now than it is today. I would have had confidence in his ability to handle stressful foreign policy situations. He would also have reduced the beauracracy and number of cabinet agencies in Washington. He was my first choice. With all that being said, if this last allegation is true, Herman is finished. Not only as a presidential candidate but also as any cabinet officer he may have been selected for if one of the others would have been nominated. He could have provided great and beneficial service to the country. My bottom line is…if this is true I’m no longer a supporter of Herman. My choice now will be Newt. Don’t come around talkingabout all of his baggage. We are looking not for a messiah but a flawed human who can best lead this country away from the socialism track it is on with the progessive socialists who are currently running the government.

    • donald_24

      Herman Cian knew nothing about foreign policy… including basic information like Chinese nukes and Taiwain. To top that off, Herman Cain destroyed any of his foreign policy credentials with that 5 minute train wreck when asked about Libya. That was awful and ins an instant disqualifier. In fact, if Cain somehow managed to become rpesident, I fear that our national security would be damaged because our enemies like Al Qaeda and Iran would see that he knows nothing about foreign policy and would look to exploit that.

      • goodolboy

        I can’t change your perception of Herman at this late date but I can correct one miserception. Cain was talking about China’s nuclear aircraft capability not their nuclear capability overall. I have heard him speak on that issue a few times. Sometimes things are misunderstood in the context they were made. For instance, last week Charles Krauthammer said Cain said in relation to foreign policy, “Who would you rather have, a leader or a reader?” and that was an embarrassment. To me that was very disappointing because I have great respect for Charles, his intellect, and brilliant way with words. Hermain said that in his initial speech when he announced he was running and what he was talking about was that he is a leader and Obama is a reader of the telepromter. Charles comment shows how the incestuous relationship in DC is. I have no argument with anyone here in their opinion of Herman because I can see where you all have formed your opinions. I just know that I have studied him and his writings and speeches for a long time and have a very different view. The thing now is we must not now engage in a circular firing squad and kill off each other as we select the most consevative in the race who can beat Obama. Let’s argue the issues and not personalities as much.

    • conservativemusician

      My problems with Cain have less to do with the sexual missteps and more to do with the fact that he is an embarrassment to the GOP and is woefully unprepared and uninformed about many issues. He is beclowning himself more and more each day and each day he remains in the field, he becomes more and more of a liability to the party by siphoning off votes from other true conservatives in the race who are far more qualified and knowledgable. He is and always has been an American Idol candidate because of his charisma and personal likability, but that is not enough and it certainly does not qualify him to serve as president. We already have that in the WH now, and look at the mess we are in now.

      Cain needs to bow out of the race and do it as soon as possible because he is becoming a drag on the party. I also don’t like philanderers sitting in the big chair (Newt included), so for this and other substantive reasons that many others have articulated here far more eloquently than me, I will support Rick Perry in the primaries.

  • jaykali

    Which means it’s time for Herman Cain to go. This is close to John Edwards bad. He’s guilty. I would think that everyone agrees at this point that you dont have have a dozen allegations without it being true. The gall of politicians makes me crazy, this proves that Cain is more of a politician than he leads on. I am very disappointed in him bc he looked like a good guy and a moral Christian guy but now I see him as a sexed-crazed phony. I think he will try to hold on too long, I wish he would just drop out now so that we can all move on from the sideshow he created.

    • jaykali

      Green Day, nevermind…sigh.

    • donald_24

      The only way Cain will drop out is if his fundraising dries up. His donors need to cut off the money and he will go away. I can’t see how anyone right now would give Cain a single dollar.

  • sunshinek67

    Look at the polling averages on RCP, the conservatives are tucked in nicely, marginalized, at the very bottom of the heap, while the moderate scandal ridden nutty fringe remain firmly at the top.

    For GOP to beat Obama, a candidate will have to be pushed forth that is just acceptable to msm standards! Don’t be faithful to your spouse, eschew from propagating consistent social values in general, and never ever sound rational.

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      ..notext..

      • sunshinek67

        Interesting to see if he would incite the base to mass hysteria proportions to make sure Obama is one-term. I’ll sure vote for the old guy, whose baggage carries its own baggage, but with zero enthusiasm or confidence on his abilities to lead. He does have an impressive database, though, for factoids and the ability to transfer that in 30-60 second soundbites in rapid fire debate.

        But when those debates are over, it is the leadership abilities that is uncertain amid precarious times in our nation. Will a Gingrich Administration be wrecked with scandal and subsequent coverups? Think about it, scandal and controversy follows this guy around. For allegedly being Mensa smart, you would think it would transfer over into wise decisions of professional and personal life choices. Not so with Gingrich.

        At the end of the day, character matters.

        • acat

          You need to take another look at Perry.

          No baggage. Great record. (executive record, unlike Newt) Clearly learned the lesson that he needs to rock the debates. (“most improved”)

          Perfect? No. Better than Cain? Duh. Better than Newt?

          Mew

          • heraklios

            If your man can get back over 10% in the national polls or in the top 3 in Iowa and become relevant again, then I’m on board!

          • avagreen

            He was defeated in his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 1968 as well as 1976, but won both the nomination and election in 1980, defeating incumbent Jimmy Carter.

            Losing twice doesn’t sound like he polled very highly in either.

          • heraklios

            not 2016 or 2020

          • sunshinek67

            from Iowa Radio & his focus group of 11 evangelical leaders declaring Rick Perry’s candidacy is “toast”. They also have not come to terms with Gingrich either & his multiple transgressions, irregardless of NightT’s assessment, character matters to this group. Found the article this a.m. on Pollutico, I mean Politico~

        • heraklios

          Surely you jest. For people like me who witnessed Newt battle JIm Wright, Tony Cuehlo, George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, this can be seen as nothing more than a joke. Newt has his flaws certainly, but being a RINO isn’t one of them.

        • ripusa32110

          I’ve even read certain Christians comparing Gingrich to King David, regarding the adultery. Please Christians, don’t throw away our beliefs for a mess of pottage. Nothing is worth throwing away our integrity and honor. Nothing. If Christians and others who care about morality vote for Gingrich we will never be able to unring that bell. We will never live down that hypocrisy.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            I can do so without throwing away integrity or honor.

          • bonnman

            I’m sorry his personal history is simply not consistent with the moral character that the Presidency requires.

          • heraklios

            and let me ask you, wouldn’t Jesus ask you whether you are in a position to cast the first stone? Can’t sinners receive reconciliation? Who are you to judge Newt on events that happened years ago in his personal life?

          • wonkish1

            Newt’s previous actions.

            But I would agree with Heraklios. As a Christian I take forgiving people who show remorse seriously and I try to leave the judging to God.

          • ripusa32110

            I won’t judge Newt’s eternal destination but there are repercussions for our actions here on earth. God forgave King David his adultery but there were very serious repercussions for his sins. When it comes to voting for President of the United States I can be discriminating and judgmental in the ballot booth and frankly I have so many problems with the globalist, Alvin Toffler boy Newt Gingrich that I shouldn’t harp on the sexual sins alone. I just want to see Ron Paul elected president and really turn this country back to the Constitution.

          • gekster

            shows you to be dilusional.
            Of course I suppose it would take a nut to support a nut.
            Nuff said.

          • Tbone

            Somewhere between sloth and gluttony I would think.

          • heraklios

            unless the only choice were between him and Mittens or him and Barry O

          • gekster

            It should be used to show that we need to put more money
            into mental health facilities.

          • bonnman

            One is obviously reserved for God, the other for the voter.

          • heraklios

            aren’t Republicans opening a can of worms we would rather not open?

          • bonnman

            The majority of Republican Presidential candidates have not carried on extramarital affairs and committed adultery. Just Newt and most likely Cain..

          • wonkish1

            I forgive past *personal* sins from people who *show remorse*.

            If your making the argument that holding peoples past mistakes against them in perpetuity and judging them for that is okay as long as their is some professional, political, or other beneficial relationship at play then your pretty much creating a loophole to allow all of us to run around judging everybody all the time and never, ever offer forgiveness to anyone.

          • bonnman

            Which are entirely separate things. Forgiveness is emotional rectification while judgment is an evaluation, in this case, of moral behavior. While you might forgive a child molester for their sins putting them in charge of a daycare would be ludicrous, it would show incredibly poor judgment or do you think they deserve that opportunity?

            Newt’s ex-wives may forgive him for his acts of adultery and breaking his vows of marriage but if I, as a voter, want someone of high moral character as President those past actions affect my judgment of his qualifications.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            than win with the wrong one? I’ve seen a lot of that around here lately. It still nets us President Obama, whose character is more immoral than any of the Republican candidates.

          • perry4prez

            @bonnman, part of being a Christian is recognizing that we are all sinners and that sinners can repent. In fact that is the most important part of being a Christian. So I am not inherently against voting for Mr. Newt. I agree that politically Governor Perry is much better, he doesn’t have Newt’s baggage.

        • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

          Gingrich has plans, and I actually like them better than Perry’s (15% vs. 20%). He’s successful at selling them too, as we see by his rise in the polls. He’s stayed on message the entire time, going for Obama and not the other R’s. He’s even stood up for most if not all of them.

          Perry just can’t sell it. If he can’t sell it to Republicans, I don’t see him selling it to the general population. Right now he’s mired at 7%. That ain’t gonna cut it.

          I want a candidate that can actually win. Right now it looks to me like Newt can, and Perry can’t. It’s just that simple.

  • pcscipio

    and particularly in the Republican Party is a consensual affair a kiss of political death. Sexual harassment is serious (interestingly, those allegations seem to have disappeared from the news cycles) because it is fundamentally an abuse of power, but this affair is something that should be between Cain and his family. I’m no Cain fan, but we really need to grow up and let adults be adults, and recognize that by and large politicians have well developed egos, which often manifest themselves in this sort of behavior. Such behavior doesn’t ipso facto mean such persons are unqualified.

    • cheetah2

      sorry this is a character issue. and I am thankful that character does still matter in the Republican party at least.

      • ripusa32110

        If Newt Gingrich is the nominee then character doesn’t matter. This female voter isn’t in the forgive and forget mode for an adulterer who also supported GATT/WTO and NAFTA. Newt even manuevered to get GATT/WTO through the House before the republican freshmen could get in in 1995 and have their say on the WTO. I will NEVER forgive Gingrich for that betrayal! He is a snake and an arrogant megalomaniac.

        • Tbone

          You know, Ron Paul who blames US for 9/11. The man is scum. Pure, unadulterated scum and you are a fool for supporting him.

          • ripusa32110

            The CIA and the 9/11 report talks about blowback. I happen to believe being honest about our foreign policy doesn’t equate with blaming the American people for 9/11. Ron Paul doesn’t blame the American people for 9/11 but does question the foreign policy of the United States government. I wonder why conservatives correctly question the government on domestic issues but seem to buy the government line when it comes to foreign policy?

          • gekster

            But you are supporting a man who said that putting a fence on the southern border would do more to keep people in than to keep them out.
            I’m sure he means well but his mind isn’t right.

            Ron Paul: Border Fence Will Be Used To ‘Keep Us In’

            excerpt:
            ? I think this fence business is designed and may well be used against us and keep us in. In economic turmoil, the people want to leave with their capital and there?s capital controls and there?s people controls. Every time you think about the fence, think about the fences being used against us, keeping us in.?

          • Tbone

            You see rip, your problem is you obviously don’t possess sufficient intellect to read and comprehend simple English. I didn’t say Ron Paul was a fool for questioning foreign policy, did I? Well, did I?

            No. I said Ron Paul was scum.

            I said you were the fool. Get that straight. Your are the fool, Ron Paul is the scum.

    • avagreen

      (I truly don’t know as I haven’t been following this story. It’s all news to me.)

      • pcscipio

        if Cain’s wife would agree. My point is that it’s something between her and Herman, not the candidate and the general public. Others don’t agree, but that’s their opinion and they’re entitled to it.

        • heraklios

          Regardless of the allegations against him, isn’t this a problem??

          • pcscipio

            Cain’s not fit to be our president for a host of reasons, his philandering just isn’t one of them.

          • pcscipio

            It’s right next to Ubeki beki beki stan.

    • GregInFla

      an abuse of trust and a break of a commitment. That is why this matters to some of us. But as far as being qualified, I agree that in itself it does not affect that. I think that Perry should get Cain’s following, not Newt. I am in Mark Levin’s corner: I support none of them , but also support all of them, with a couple of exceptions. None stands out above all the others to me.

    • wilgolden

      Before I get any further – Ron Paul is a nutcase, senile, a conspiracy freak, an isolationist, a lying bastard who regularly dishonors our military, and on top of all else, only one leg of the Conservative Triangle. He is a bad joke pretending to be a serious contender.

      Thank you. Now, back to my regularly scheduled rant . . .

      NO MATTER WHAT low standard Bill Klintoon set for the “Loyal” opposition, We Are Supposed To Be Better Than This.

      I was willing to ignore he said / she said that was run out of the Chicago Mayor’s office. The allegations were unsupported in any way, and after 15 years or so, something should have come out sooner. This was also from the ’90s, when the Get Rich Scheme of the decade was to file a Sexual Harassment claim and hope for big bucks from the employer. Worked about 95 % of the time . . .

      However –

      These allegations are a bit more substantive, a lot more credible (as there is an actual NAME, ya know), and much more serious.

      And Herman’s mouthpiece has pretty much admitted, without admitting, etc., etc., . . .

      I’m sorry, AFAIK, this takes him off my short list.

      Now, I could just get all behind a Perry / Gingrich ticket.

    • perry4prez

      And it is clear that Herman Cain does not have it. He also keeps making gaffes and does not understand that 9-9-9 introduces a new channel for taxation. Once it is there there is nothing to stop it from becoming 29-29-29 if Dems get control of Congress.

    • irishgirl

      about a person’s character and lack thereof. I might also point out that Herman Cain was not a politician during this time, although he may have wanted to be. But his attorney’s statement truly does suggest that Mr. Cain did indeed have a 13 year affair. Unfortunately (for me at least), this is damning for Mr. Cain and for many Christians who have listened to him in the past give his testimony on AFR. I remember listening to Mr. Cain talking about his bout with cancer, etc. on American Family Radio and it was very inspiring. If it is found to be true that he was an adulterer during this time, then he loses all credibility. And that has nothing about being an “adult”. And to the point Leon has made in his diary, if it is a totally false allegation from this woman, then Mr. Cain has made horrible choices for his staff and that too tells you a lot about Mr. Cain.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    are peddlers of mendacity, half-truths and hokum ;-)

    Just sayin…

    About 8 months from now after we have a candidate I can’t wait to see how this plays out. Especially if there is some type of litigation and we get depositions, etc.

    Either Cain is the best liar ever to walk the planet or people have been hoodwinked by an orchestrated defamation campaign.

    I can’t wait to see what’s in store for our candidate!

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Even a half-competent one can do it in a way that doesn’t make his client sound so guilty. :)

      • Marcus_Traianus

        you know one of those “far-right” loons. ;-)

        What else would explain such a lapse?

        • heraklios

          but his debate performances and statements have convinced me that he has little understanding of international affairs and would be highly dangerous in the Oval Office.

  • donald_24

    Like his fellow Georgian and fellow lobbyist Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain never had any intention of winning the GOP nomination when he becamee a candidate. His goal was merely to sell books and increase his speaking fees. He fooled everyone in order to enrich himself.

    • Marcus_Traianus

      [def-uh-mey-shuhn]
      noun
      the act of defaming; false or unjustified injury of the good reputation of another, as by slander or libel; calumny: She sued the magazine for defamation of character.

      Newt has never been a registered lobbyist. But maybe you didn’t know that? The rest is just pure fiction,

      • donald_24

        Just becuase someone was not registered as a lobbyist does not mean they were not lobbying. It iwas well documented in the Washington Examiner that Gingrich was heavily involved behind the scens in getting votes for Medicare Part D. This is not defamation.

        There are plenty of loophooles built into the law to allow one to “lobby” without registering.

        Unregistered lobbyists are so common in DC, even Obama’s favorite White House visitor Andy Stern is an unregistered lobbyist.

        The law requires anyone who spends 20% or more of their time lobbying to register as a lobbyist. Spend 19% of your time lobbying and you don’t have to register as a lobbyist.

        http://biggovernment.com/brjohnson/2009/11/16/how-andy-stern-got-around-obamas-no-lobbyist-policy-he-just-didnt-register/

        • wonkish1

          From someone who knows what the CHT was and knows a lot about Newt’s operations over the last decade than you do, he didn’t engage in lobbying. That is a fact.

          You can go ahead and pick out reasons why you don’t support the guy or any other candidate, but when I catch you regurgitating complete lies I’m going to call you out on it.

          If I were you I would avoid talking about things where you have no idea what your talking about.

          • donald_24

            If Newt was not lobbying, then why was Freddic Mac paying him $30,000 a month for one hours worth of work?

            I still stand by what I said. Newt was an UNREGISTERED lobbyist. Again, I never said he was a registered lobbyist.

            This premise that someone can deny being a lobbyist because they never registered is hilarious. There are tons of unregistered lobbyists running around DC. And in most cases, it is perfectly legal. The law even has a giant loophole that allows unregistered lobbyists to escape any penalty by registering after being caught.

            http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/3628-lobbying-laws-back-door-is-open-to-unregistered-lobbyists-watchdogs-say

          • wonkish1

            Now we’re switching from the CHT to the Gingrich Group. The Gingrich Group offered political, pilot project, and policy research consulting. None of that is lobbying.

            He wasn’t a registered lobbyist. He wasn’t an unregistered lobbyist. You have no clue what kind of work Newt was doing and you are just posting this crap because either A) you are a candi-bot that will say anything(whether truthful or not) to try to take down a candidate other then your favorite or B) are a person that naturally assumes and spreads the worst about people.

            Either way you showing that your someone that is totally comfortable propagating lies about GOP candidates, and given your limited knowledge on the subject I would recommend you quit this crap or I’ll make you look foolish.

          • donald_24

            So why was Gingrich spending so much time calling and visiting congressional offices right before the Part D vote? Was that work related to his think tank, or his consulting, or his policy research? Gingrich whipped votes for Part D, as the Examiner article clearly laid out. I guarantee you he was not calling Jack KIngston’s office for “research.”

          • wonkish1

            The CHT had tons of clients and they paid for access to the research the CHT was putting out, certain companies paid for advice on how to structure their benefits packages, and others paid for consulting on certain pilot projects.

            None of that was lobbying.

        • heraklios

          then I would for sure!

          • wonkish1

            He basically set up a think tank where companies would pay large amounts of money to get access to the research and ideas him and his staff were putting out. So Newt invented the first network of companies and orgs that acted like a marriage of a for profit think tank and consulting. There is a Grand Canyon sized difference between that and lobbying for clients.

          • donald_24

            So why was Newt making frequent phone calls to congressional offices at a time when leadership was trying to whip votes for Part D?

          • wonkish1

            To say that from my knowledge. They have only mentioned anonymous sources.

            Second, Newt has stayed in contact with a ton of GOP congressman over the last decade.

            All of Newt’s contracts explicitly state that no lobbying will occur. I have seen detailed information of how the CHT and the Gingrich Group went about signing consulting and think tank clients. They are quite clear in that the client is signing to Newt(not Newt signing to the company) and that Newt isn’t expected to change a single position on anything because of them being clients(and they even guarantee to the firm that Newt will take public positions contrary to the interests of the signing company). Also I am quite aware of the work that the CHT has been doing over the last several years and it is a for profit think tank. That is what it is.

            And I have followed Newt’s work in intimate detail over the last decade. I know more about this stuff than you do.

      • nathanalbright

        …where you went to school. The poster you replied to, and who would have an absolute affirmative defense in a libel case (not defamation, it should be noted, because it was written and not spoken), called Newt a lobbyist, not a registered lobbyist. We have discussed numerous times here that while Newt never registered as a lobbyist he did paid advocacy work in Congress for clients, including insurance companies looking for entitlements (Medicare Part D) and was paid hush money by Freddie Mac to work as a “historian.” This qualifies under the definition of lobbying, whether one is registered or not. I hope you can find a clue in the dictionary you use.

    • GregInFla

      nt

      • donald_24

        I never accused Bachmann of running a book tour disguised as a presidential campaign. I think she is serious about running and is spending a lot of time in the early primary states. Cain is not. When he gave that disasterous interview about Libya, he was in Wisconsin. Today Cain was in D.C. He is spending his time everywhere but Iowa, NH, and SC. He seems to be spending a lot of time in NYC and DC telelvision studios for a primary candidate. He should be speaking to the local media in the early states. Go on the local FOX and CBS affiliates.

        • GregInFla

          And I think it’s unfair that a few early states are given so much power. Romney will never get over 30%, so he cannot win. The whole country needs to think it has input on the GOP nominee. If the folks in the early states need to feel wanted and desired bu a candidate, too bad.

  • donald_24

    Here is someone with no ethics or marital problems or history of flip flopping and yet he cannot poll over 2%.

    • Tbone

      NT

    • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil truth

      …except he did drop out when he didn’t catch fire. Maybe he was too hasty given what’s been happening on the roadway, but he had no way of predicting that. But his integrity remains intact, and that should be important in future elections.

  • deVere

    He will apparently deal with this new problem without blaming it on Rick Perry.

  • williamjameson

    of anything. Someone calling someone else isn’t proof of an affair. Big deal, show me the stained dress or pictures.

    13 years, where are the pictures. WOW people. While Cain may not have a chance, why do you fall for liberal media ploys coming from campaign central???

    • heraklios

      if the only press you get is whether the fifth (or is it sixth) woman is alleging sexual harassment or an affair, then you KNOW you’re in trouble

    • Tbone

      Didn’t those do it for you?

      • williamjameson

        to Cain returning 17 calls. Hardly close to 13 years. Cain got hosed and most didn’t think it through. She provided no proof that proves anything more than Cain was friend whom she turned on. Ehh his lack of knowledge in several areas hurt him far more than the media scumbags. Till people stand up to the media fuxwads conservatives shall be discriminated and the left will never be held to the same standard.

    • gherkin

      But, giving Herman the benefit of the doubt, it IS the kind of thing I would expect given his quasi-libertarian viewpoints on some matters. OTOH, maybe they were trying to address this whole refrain coming from the media with the various accusations from a philosophical viewpoint.

      The criticisms are correct in that this certainly seems to have been mishandled by whoever gave the lawyer his talking points. However, I’ll stick with “innocent” until I see some proof (and no, a small collection of unrevealed text messages ain’t it…)

      I will say that if any of these allegations are true, it calls his judgment seriously into question, simply because the few women who have shown their faces thus far are butt-ugly. Seriously, would you jeopardize your marriage and career for what you’ve seen thus far?

      • donald_24

        Take in mind that these alleged incidents took place 15 years ago and back then the women were likely better looking. Plus Herman Cain is not Tiger Woods. He is not going to get super models. A year ago nobody knew who he was.

  • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008
    PeelingOffCain

    Not for the sexual harrassment allegations, but immediately after his hemming and hawing over Libya during his interview with the “Milwaukee Journal Sentinal” (he could not recall what his rehearsed programmed answers were). Actually, that was the breaking point. Hapless campaign manager Mark Block being the first.

    Any idea how one requests their campaign donations back?

    (**if the picture or link looks all jacked up, it’s a failure on my part to understand the available HTML help directions. My apologies — in advance, heh)

    • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

      PeelingOffCain

      • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

        this time from my C:\drive… must a pic always be ripped from a webpage?

        PeelingOffCain

        • avagreen

          &&

          • http://www.AmericanThinker.com Hammer2008

            the full pic was posted to Twitter (same handle, Hammer2008) two weeks back… I didn’t have the heart to post the pic of the bumper sticker balled up on the ground.

  • http://www.RightFace.us dkolonia

    Herman is a great guy, run a pretty good campaign but he is not going to go any further than he has. He reached his peak a while ago. I like him but he is not a serious contender for the nomination so this latest story does not matter.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Of course, CNN failed to include that portion of the interview in the clip they posted initially.

    Here’s the link to the clip, and the denial comes at the one minute mark:

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/11/28/sr-cain-did-nothing-wrong-mpg.cnn

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

  • rogershru2

    If any of them are true, then he should drop out.

    If they are all false, he has shown an incredible aptitude for mishandling of minor (non-national security issues) crises.

    I have gone from Pawlenty, to Bachmann, to Cain, to Perry, to Cain, to now perhaps Perry or Newt – ABRitP, ABOitG

    • constitutional

      Go to Newt.

      There is no need to go to a man who supports/supported both TARP and the Individual Mandate, my friend.

      • rogershru2

        Even though he has never been more clear and on message than he is these days. I am still undecided. I do hope he has a significant role in the next administration though.

  • fellowgeorgian

    To all “holier than thou” thinkers and political disectors, just one point to this story. Cain has been comentating on politics for some time now. He himself has been “nitpicking” MSM and politicians for years(he knows what will be dug up if guilty). Just for a second, stop and think, `would he end a 13 year affair 8 months before announcing his candidacy` knowing how much dirt will be dug up on someone that is running against the “ESTABLISHMENT”?!?

    ALL accusers come from Chicago, no accusations before had “documentation” and was blown off. Now Cain has held the drop and looking pretty decent in Iowa sooooooo (not a white bimbo) but a nice jeweled “friend from Chicago” jumps in?

    This crap has CHICAGO THUGGERY written all over it!!!!!! Won’t be investigated any further because Obama handlers are running defense. Just make accusations, voters are stupid! Republicans, conservatives and independents pull your anterior from your posterior! This is what everyone is BITCHING about in politics today!!!!!

    • rogershru2

      Even if these are in fact ALL false (which could be the case, I understand), it is his handling of the matters that is still very disappointing. His composure and ability to deal with bad publicity, unexpected questions, and unexpected turns of events is a significant bright big shiny red flag. These are not reassuring signs of a potential Commander in Chief.

    • donald_24

      The accuser alleging the 13 year affair is from Atlanta. I did not hear Chicago mentioned.

  • traversecityconservative

    Oh, wow…another WHITE woman who knows Herman from the RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION – and has a history of FINANCIAL PROBLEMS including a bankruptcy and numerous evictions – and was successfully sued for libel by a former business partner. Another credible witness and another bad response from the Herman camp. He’s guilty!

    Nevermind that the woman has LESS phone calls and text messages from Herman than my husband has made to volunteers for the non-profit group that he coordinates. And if late night texts are proof of an affair, I have an uncle and three friends who can be convicted of the same thing when texting people at weird times when they’re in other states and other countries on business trips. And if autographs are proof of an affair, then me and Steven Tyler are hot and heavy because I have a shirt that says, “You’re the reason I’m here” to prove that we have a love child. Stevie doesn’t just sign that on everyone’s shirt!

    I do NOT give the media or a financially strapped fame-seeking woman the benefit of the doubt on anything. It’s nice though to see that there is still a consistency of the writers on PerryState to go after Cain. After a short absence from here, not much has changed. Unfortunately for Perry fans, the votes won’t be going to him though – they’ll be going to Newt – which is fine by me. Anyone but Obama. Anyone but Romney and Perry as well.

    • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

      CW

  • mspector

    Are not the “sexual harassment” allegations. All that kerfuffle proved was that sometimes where there’s smoke there’s just more smoke. As I see it — as a long-time Cain supporter — there are three problems.

    The first is simply that of probity. The allegations of a major grope in the parking lot sounded improbable, but these do not and as noted in the article his attorney is not treating them as improbable.

    The second is that of personal integrity. Almost the same as probity, but it goes to his credibility. Non-denial denials, stonewalling, we’ve seen it before. What I (and I suspect “we”) liked about Cain was his image of straightforward honesty. He’s lost that.

    The third is staff incompetence. Is he really surrounded by advisers who did not see all this coming and make a plan for it? If so, does he propose to surround himself in the White House with advisers who themselves will not see what is coming and plan accordingly? It’s a chilling thought.

    I don’t want to believe that politics is the exclusive realm of those who have spent a lifetime making it their profession. There must be room for people like Cain who bring something new to the table and are not infected with the DC mindset, but can also learn the realities of the game. Surely Abraham Lincoln cannot have been the last of this stripe.