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Ron Paul: The Andrew Johnson Candidate

Ron Paul likes to brag that he often votes alone (or nearly alone) in Congress. I suppose the spin that he’d like for you to put on this is that he alone in Congress stays true to his principles. I suppose that is one way to look at it, if you ignore the number of times he lards up appropriations bills with pork for his district before casting a meaningless dissenting vote against the entire bill. The other – and I would suggest, more appropriate – way to look at it is that Ron Paul is spectacularly bad at persuading members of Congress to do anything. For decades now, Ron Paul has absolutely failed to persuade members of Congress to his way of thinking, or to establish any meaningful caucus or voting bloc to advance his ideals. We have sufficient data now to predict that he would be just as spectacularly bad as President. From Day One, Paul would presumably be opposed in almost everything he attempted by nearly unified chambers of Congress.

“Well,” retorts the Paulinista, “Personally I think it would be a good thing if Congress and the President were at loggerheads for four years. Gridlock is good for reducing the size of government!” To a certain point, this is true. However, it is absolutely vital to the success of every President – especially one committed to reducing the size and scope of the Federal government – that he is able to ensure that at least one-third of either chamber is either committed to his program or at the very least to the principle of attrition through gridlock. Gridlock worked to reduce spending under Clinton because refusing to spend was a way to punish Clinton. If you assume that Paul as President will be completely different from Paul as Congressman and will actually want to cut spending, a completely different set of priorities arises.

All of this, though, is somewhat beside the point. At no point during his tenure did Bill Clinton summarily lose the loyalty of 2/3 of both chambers of Congress. History teaches us, through the administration of Andrew Johnson, that when a President is not able to either persuade or command the loyalty of even 1/3 of either branch of Congress, Congress will just take over and run roughshod over the President in ways that are undesirable to the goals of the President and the country at large. If Congress gets the message that President Paul can or should be completely ignored during the budget process due to intransigence or fanaticism, and the Democrats sense that the Congressional Republicans have no loyalty to Paul (as they clearly do not), then the new budget process on Capitol Hill becomes a budget drafted by Reid and Pelosi with sufficient lard to buy off fence-sitting Republicans. In other words, a fairly significant chance exists that spending under President Paul would go up rather than down. To say nothing of Congressional attempts to undercut Paul’s incoherent and nonsensical foreign policy.

One can only guess at the brand impact four years of this spectacle will have on the GOP. If history is any indicator, we may well be headed for decades like the 1910s or the 1930s where the Democrats control the White House and roughly 3/4ths of each chamber of Congress. Given the precarious situation in which the country finds itself, I would not be optimistic that America would survive as an exceptional nation. Maybe for some portion of Paul supporters this would be a feature, not a bug, but for the rest of us, it ought to lead to a serious pause.

COMMENTS

  • origami

    After all, the Democrats hate Paul more than we do (they may gloat from time to time over the fact that conservatives are trapped with him, but then again, we have Anthony Weiner). I think the GOP and the Democrat party might cozy up a little more just out of a mutual disdain for president Paul. But praise the lord that this man has not chance of securing the GOP nomination.

  • buddyp

    Leon,

    You’ve been posting a lot about Paul, and this diary in particular seems intended to persuade people not to vote for him, presumably to prevent his possible nomination. Yet I have to ask, why bother? It seems to me that Paul has virtually zero chance at the nomination, given that Republican primary voters (and even most others in open primaries) have enough common sense and sense of history to dismiss him quite easily based on his absurd notions regarding foreign policy and national security.

    So I’m curious: what’s the point?

    Do you think he has a real chance at the nomination?

    Or is it that you don’t want him to get many votes, or stay in the race long, lest it have a bad influence on the party (and/or our politics and policy generally)?

    Are you concerned about a possible brokered convention in which he could influence the eventual nominee in exchange for swinging his delegates?

    Is it to lay out the justification for RedState’s (understandable and, in my opinion, desirable) limited patience with Paulistas?

    Some combination of the above.

    I’m not asking any of the above rhetorically, let alone snarkily. I’m just curious about your purpose, since it seems like it may be overkill and much ado about a nothing man.

    • satchman3

      nt2

      • buddyp

        Nah, that would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

    • deVere

      I would never vote for Ron Paul due to his extreme isolationism and strong dislike for Israel, but I also think that he merits little discussion. What is there to discuss?

      This assessment of Ron Paul by an ex-staffer strikes me as accurate:

      http://rightwingnews.com/election-2012/statement-from-fmr-ron-paul-staffer-on-newsletters-anti-semitism/

    • lineholder

      how many people in this country really believed that Obama had a chance of winning?

      Maybe Leon just doesn’t want to leave the door open for something like that to happen again…and with Ron Paul, of all people.

    • ayrnieu

      1. Even if Paul has zero chance at the nomination, he isn’t polling at 0% in every state, and his picking up delegates won’t have only a neutral affect on the number of delegates picked up by other candidates. So someone paying close attention to the primaries may find that a drop in Paul’s support would be of greater advantage to candidate B than to candidate A. So this is one reason to attack him.

      2. Another problem with delegates: the more that he gets, the more Paul delegates there will be at the convention. You’ve identified one potential consequence of that.

      3. There is always this reason to continue an attack, even if much has already been said: the worry that prior attacks were ineffective, or weren’t effective enough. (Your opponent might invoke Gandhi or say that his relevance has been proven by the continued assault, but this is just a pep talk.)

      And supporting #3, recent posts haven’t been great: “waah, he offends liberal sensitivity”, while dangerously accepting liberals’ equation of “any such offense = racism”, while failing to emphasize those remarks that actually offend conservative sensibilities. (Examples of such: rejecting “We need to maintain some sort of capability for designing, building and producing armed vehicles.”, calling it unrelated to defense; casting troops’ self-defense in Somalia as “mowing civilians down in the streets.”; suggesting that a straightforward anti-trench action during the Gulf War lacked American values.)

      I think of this situation: you run into someone who’s thinking about voting for Paul in your primary. So, the entire media has wailed and moaned about about how Paul once had an unkind word to say about MLK, and _still_ there’s this potential Paul supporter in front of you. If all you’d gotten from RedState amounted to “hey, Paul once had an unkind word to say about MLK!” (or a suggested alternative, of “(nothing)”), how effective would you be at changing this guy’s vote?

      • buddyp

        Your point #1 seems to refer (in effect) to people who are inclined to vote for Paul, but who could be persuaded by information and arguments such as those presented by Leon in the above post and others of his. Your implication seems to be that it would be much better if those people shifted to some other candidate(s) than if they proceeded to vote for Paul. But it seems to me that the opposite is more likely — that it would be less harmful for people of such questionable judgment to waste their votes on Paul rather than apply that same judgment to potentially make the difference in who the nominee actually ends up being.

        To put it in terms of your explanation, I think it’s more likely than not that the “candidate B” who would benefit more than “candidate A” from Paul supporters shifting to other candidates would be inferior (in the general election and as president) to “candidate A”. To assume otherwise is to assume that these same morons and loons would choose the better/best candidate among the others if persuaded not to vote for Paul. You seem to be making that assumption. I sure wouldn’t .

  • bstewart888

    I am a Ron Paul supporter

    , call it ludicrous or what have you, I think he will be good for the GOP, Paul has the potential of gaining democratic and independent voters based on appeal over Romney, Romney is much of the same as far as voting, Red vs Blue, with a lot to dig up on Romney as far as being a Centrist / Moderate, not really a favorable trait in this election with government spending being the #1 voter issue. You can argue that he was only moderate because of the demographic of where he was governor, I am from the North East, while this is true and I will agree with you. He also is the only Governor to issue a socialistic style health care reform on any state, and yes, he happens to be the GOP last hope if not for Paul. Maybe Paul is the lesser of the two evils to me, and the limited government is very appealing, I think Romney will reduce spending but not enough to make much of a difference. Without radical restructuring our jobs are going to continue to be eaten up over seas. I am a web developer and i will be the first to tell all of you, our jobs are 95% from foreigners. Please do some research people. Even if you disagree with his foreign policy which much of you do, do you think he could even attempt to do much of what he says he could with the current congress situation. NO. Most of you will vote for Paul if he gets the nomination over Obama anyway, and by most I means a large part. Most of you agree with the fundamentals of what Paul say, just not his foreign policy, or his demeanor, or his stature, or the way he speaks. Let’s be real guys and stop putting out garbage.
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    • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

      Unfortunately for the Paulbots, so are the moderators :D

      • wennejunk

        Sport maybe.

    • Jim

      Thanks for reinforcing bad stereotypes around here with your spam-filled comment.

    • aesthete

      Always “taking American jobs” (heretofore known as “working”) and such.

  • Tbone

    Obstensibly, it makes the point that Paul has zero credibility in Washington so as President he would be totally ignored and any agenda he brought forth would be DOA. This is obviously correct and any thinking perosn would agree.

    However, in reality, it is impossible for Ron Paul to either win the nomination or the election. This is incontrovertible fact against which no rational person would argue and herein lies the real problem that faces the Nation.

    There is evidently a measurable percentage of the electorate who lack the intellectual capacity to accept that Ron Paul won’t win the nomination. These people also lack the capacity to reason that should he win the nomination it is improbable that he would win the election and, further that if he won the election, his agenda, on which they supposedly base their misplaced support, would somehow be inacted by Congress.

    This, folks, represents three layers of delusion. This takes such an extraordinary ability to reject reality that the equivalent would be for a person to believe that Ron Paul will be signed by the Colts, become their starting quarterback and lead them to a Super Bowl win.

    As such, we find ourselves in a political system that includes creatures of so little mental capacity that they would actually waste their time, money and vote in pursuit of a pure fantasy.

    Were this fantasy political league confined to Ron Paul supporters it would only be a curiosity. However, it is manifested by those who still support Bachmann, Santorum, Hunstman and previously the thankfully demised Herman Cain.

    To those I must say you really are rather stupid people.

    • wennejunk

      The people I know who are rooting for Paul all share certain things in common:

      -inforwars/Alex Jones
      -black helicopter fantasies
      -9-11 troofer
      -rejection of any facts that refute any of the above, including anything to do with his past that reflects poorly on him.

  • renl57

    …it’s still an embarrassment for the GOP that he’s being treated as a credible candidate. Especially if he actually manages to win a decent number of delegates.

    For example: Here’s a photo of Ron Paul posing next to Don Black, the editor of the white supremacist website Stormfront.org. (The young man on the right is Don Black’s son.)

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20071220RonPaulDonBlack.jpg

    Stormfront.org has been a supporter of Ron Paul for quite a while. Some of them are even volunteering to work on the Ron Paul for President campaign.

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t855299/

    This is going to be great stuff for the liberal media and for the Dems. They’re going to keep after the GOP about it.

    The GOP doesn’t need this distraction, any more than it needed the distraction of David Duke.

  • Adjoran

    He was a supporter of open borders and ran on that policy for Congress and the Presidency. After gaining less than 0.5% of the popular vote, he returned to private life, with his medical practice but also with the newsletter. When he ran again in 1996, the district and its mood on immigration had changed, so Paul quietly abandoned his prior stance.

    He was attacked in the campaign over statements in the newsletters, which he claimed were taken out of context – but he refused to make back issues available for examination (there are some here: ). Previously, he was taped twice before 1996 telling interviewers to “read the newsletter I write.”

    Now he claims he didn’t write them or even read them. These newsletters were a substantial part of his income and his main fundraising vehicle, earning him seven figures over the years, and were only a few pages long. Does anyone believe he didn’t write them himself AND didn’t even read what was going out in his name?

    While it is true he has no chance, Leon’s effort is worthwhile because we need to educate both the potential Paul voters and protest voters why we should not encourage him, and perhaps even reach those few of the Paulbots who haven’t swallowed the Kool-Aid yet. A primary or caucus vote for Paul is more than wasted – it does damage by reinforcing the notion that his kooky ideas deserve support.

    And by the way, STOP anyone from saying “he has some good ideas on spending” – those reasonable ideas he espouses on limited government and fiscal responsibility aren’t original with Paul or Libertarians. Coolidge was the first President to eloquently defend them after the advent of Progressivism – before that, everyone believed in those ideas. The fact that he has SOME positions which are neither dishonest or insane does NOT make him sane or honest.

    • Adjoran

      They are PDF files, photos of the originals. It’s incomplete, but enough to know the claim there were just a couple of stray articles here and there is simply untrue: http://tinyurl.com/ydbet7v

      Paul also told Ed Crane of the Cato Institute that the leading source for his congressional campaign contributions was the mailing list for The Spotlight, the Holocaust-denying conspiracy newsletter.

  • truthsquad

    Is the point of this article, that we shouldn’t vote for Ron Paul because he would “be opposed in almost everything he attempted by nearly unified chambers of Congress”?

    I’m not sure that’s your best argument against him…

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      When Congress universally agrees on something, it’s almost never a good thing.

      • aesthete

        Congress seems to almost universally support a larger budget than yesteryear’s, and has for some time. Its members differ only on what items should comprise this gargantuan budget, it seems.

      • truthsquad

        I prefer a divided government, even if that means a GOP President vs. a GOP Congress. The less accomplished, the better.

        • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

          …because it means that they have the opportunity to do less (which is nearly always a good thing). That said, a government under Paul would be unified in overriding his vetoes to do whatever they pleased. Andrew Johnson indeed.

  • kowalski

    But all I have to say for right this moment is:

    Look to the Base of Ron Paul’s Support.

    Mare—a—-mare-a-wanna. Mare—a—-marea-a-wanna.

    It also helps to explain his appeal to the paranoids. They’re closely related phenomena.

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      on Andrew Johnson

  • superpatriot

    Ron Paul will not be the GOP nominee.

    • dvdmsr

      In my opinion, the point of this article and others like it is to discourage enough folkes who are on the fence about Ron Paul in the primaries to come to their senses in the hope that with less support in this primary season Paul will be more inclined to not to be that guy.

  • popdaddy

    I?ve long believed the Ron Paul base is a bunch of wacko?s who think he will somehow legalize marijuana. The base defiantly spends a lot of time driving around in their pickups during the middle of the night smoking dope while pasting Paul stickers on every light pole they encounter.

    I always figured they would rebel rouse for a few months and disappear into their dens not bothering to vote in a real election. However, when my wife starts thinking Ron Paul makes sense with his domestic policies I start to rethink what the heck he is appealing to for real Americans. She is pretty frustrated as I with the current GOP field and all the nonsensical debates.

    The bunch the Tea party Conservatives? elected in 2010 have been effectively muzzled by Boehner, McConnell and their lap dogs of establishment DC. These early primaries might send a message the Tea Party Conservatives? are ramping up.

    • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

      ….in the 2008 cycle my mother (who is far more liberal than I am) said that Ron Paul made sense, and that concerned me. But when sensible Republicans start to see something in Ron Paul, we’re definitely in the “Houston, we have a problem” phase of our republic. I don’t think the group of candidates we have here is worse than 2008, maybe it just looks that way because of the endless circular firing squad. There’s vetting and then there’s this year.

  • pauliepaultard

    Yup, Ron Paul a racist.

    Ever since the candidacy of Rick Perry’s RedState’s prodigal son, Rick Perry burst spectacularly into flames, they’ve been looking to displace their anger on a more successful candidate.

    Yup, Ron Paul a racist. Check this out.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3EADdr-5AY

    What’s the name of Perry’s ranch again?

    Yup, Ron Paul supported by all the crazies. #1 in donations American active duty military personnel (all crazy)
    Over 20% of Iowans polled (all crazy)
    Based on the polls there are more crazy Paultards than Perrytards.

    Yup, Crazy Ron babbling on about the unsustainability of endless war, growing entitlement programs, and a weakening US dollar.

    Most people support Ron Paul more because of a belief in limited government and liberty than the man himself.

    Toodles…

    • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

      is therefore proud of being an idiot of gargantuan proportions. There is a difference between being a Paultard and being a casual benign Paul supporter (yes, they do exist: I know a few).

      I’m glad your comment got deleted by whichever blessed moderator stumbled upon you, Mr. Paulie Paultard.

      (My apologies, RedState friends: I have been royally turned off by Ron Paul and his more rabid supporters. When I found out yesterday that he didn’t believe we should have stopped the Holocaust, I was furious. As someone who has researched the Holocaust and whose favorite historical figure, Raoul Wallenberg, worked wonders in Nazi Hungary, I was so mad at Ron Paul I could barely see straight. Perry had better stay really healthy because if anything happened to him I don’t know who I’d vote for in the primaries.)