“…He is however, most certainly Anti-Israel, and Anti-Israeli in general. He wishes the Israeli state did not exist at all. He expressed this to me numerous times in our private conversations. His view is that Israel is more trouble than it is worth, specifically to the America taxpayer. He sides with the Palestinians, and supports their calls for the abolishment of the Jewish state, and the return of Israel, all of it, to the Arabs.”

Yeah, he’s “non-interventionist.” Riiiiiiiight.

This is a story I couldn’t resist writing. Ron Paul supporters are spraying vinegar at the sky to “kill” clouds. They’re standing in their backyards, on their porches, and in front of their windows, angrily aiming spray bottles filled with vinegar into the air.

How could I not write about this? If I live to be one-hundred years old, will I ever again get the chance to write about something so incredibly insane?

I have several friends who support Ron Paul. The aim of this piece is not to malign or belittle all Paul supporters – just the ones who adhere to the “if Alex Jones says it, it must be true” school of thought. And boy, do those Paul devotees love the “chemtrails” conspiracy theory (the belief that the contrails created by the exhaust of aircraft engines are actually toxic “chemical trails” that the Zionist/Illuminati/Bilderberger/alien-lizard-man secret societies are using to poison the earth).

When not listening to Alex Jones and Jeff Rense, chemtrail believers obsessively take photographs of the “poison trails” and “evil clouds.” Of course, since the alien-lizard-Zionist-Bilderbergers forbid the puppet governments of the world from admitting that chemtrails exist, the intrepid chemtrail hunters have been stymied. Sure, they can photograph them, but they can’t stop ‘em.

Or CAN they? This year, a movement has spread like dengue fever among chemtrail sleuths. This movement claims that chemtrails can be “killed” with vinegar, sprayed upward from the ground. And hundreds of chemtrail true believers are doing just that – and they’re uploading videos to Youtube, Dailymotion, Ebaumsworld, and elsewhere, documenting their chemtrail “kills.”

http://www.countercontempt.com/archives/2578

I just think I should be consistent in my online names. I use K2K almost everywhere. It was in use when Ifirst signed onto disqus, as was K2K2, which I use at WaPo, not that I bother there much any more since Jen Rubin lost her mind after she left Commentary for WaPo.

My dad volunteered for the USN on Dec. 8 1941 even though he had a protected job as a skilled machinist. He loved the USN, and re-enlisted for Korea. My birthday was at the bottom of the draft lottery in 1970, and, by then, Vietnam was not exactly a reason to volunteer, so I went off to college, but always regret that I did not join the USN Reserves. USNK2 was available in disqus.

The Paulbots who highlight Dr. Paul’s “honorable service” really make me angry, because 1) they attack Rick Perry at every opportunity, 2) decieve veterans today, and 3) Paul admits he would never have volunteered, but was subject to the Doctor Draft requirement of the 1948 Selective Service Act.

As to that thread? I mostly wanted to try to break the echo that Rick Perry’s support for Israel is solely based on him being an Evangelical Christian because 1) not true, and 2) the left always uses the “Rapture” to discredit Evangelicals as loons. I hate that. John Adams was a Christian Zionist – a very long history in America.

As to US foreign aid? The one fact that I almost went back to mention to you as Eric was that total foreign aid is about $24BIl. Many Americans think 25% of Federal spending is foreign aid.

When I comment at The New Yorker and The Atlantic, I usually criticize, as a longtime subscriber, the writers for their failure to be real journalists. It does bother them because longtime subscribers are expected to join the left-chorus when it comes to attacking Republicans

I confess that I have yet to find a way online to change anyone’s opinion that Rick Perry is “dumber than a rock” or, as a WaPo writer recently wrote ‘hates gays serving in the military’.

Perry’s new ad was brilliant – even tho his part-time Congress idea is quirky – he used the topic to attack the other four NOT-Romneys (and I noticed that Ron Paul’s image was lit to subtly highlight Paul), and using his last debate performance where he was so strong as a way to (hopefully) make people forget about his “choke”, which WAS due to makingthe mistake of looking at Ron Paul turn into a gargoyle with Five-Fingered-claw

will look for eric in disqus!

It’s embarrassing enough just to have all the attention on him as it is.

good one

Avoiding risk to their pilots, and accomplishing other war goals, was simply more im portant to them than trying to save the lives of European Jews.

In a strange way Ron Paul deserves praise for giving an honest answer to this loaded question that is consistent with his extreme isolationist principles. But it also illustrates why a President Paul would be even worse for Israel than President Obama. If Israel were ever in desperate need of aid, President Obama would give in to the Congressional pressure to render assistance. But President Paul never would! He’s a man of principle, no matter how disastrous the outcome would be.

but if everyone here was honest with themselves, they would probably find themselves implicitly agreeing with this small part. (GC is a probable exception, and has already noted that he’s in the minority.) You know how I know that? Because none of you supported sending a large amount of US troops to intervene in the Second Congo War. Most of you don’t even know what that is, that it is the bloodiest conflict since WWII, or that it involved horrific, documented, and significant ethnic cleansing, slaughter, and totalitarian governments galore. For that matter, the Allies in WWII hardly had their hands clean: Stalin was at least as brutal as Hitler and his crimes as horrific, and we rewarded him with more frightened client states and minority groups that he could harass with impunity, including the one that the UK and France ostensibly fought to protect (Poland). Our Cold War allies were not as bad, but were still no delicate flowers: many have been credibly and accurately accused of a general slaughter of political opponents, ethnic cleansing, or serious humanitarian concerns. Our foreign policy is not and has never been about humanitarianism, and never should be.

I just don’t think Paul’s every position and stance can be used to discredit a sizable section of the party that does not accept what we perceive to be an adventurist foreign policy.

then so is anyone who supported our policies in either WWII or the Cold War.

Among our allies in WWII were Joseph Stalin, who perpetrated the Holodomor 10 years before our involvement in WWII. Deaths attributed to the Holodomor are estimated to be between 4 to 7 million.

Among our allies in the Cold War were the following:
Francois Duvalier (murdered ~30,000 of his own people for the crime of being too white or for supporting mulattoes)
Robert Trujillo (slaughtered around ~50,000 blacks for the hell of it/to start a war with Haiti, between the Hatians and his own people)

I don’t like Ron Paul, but in this case he’s describing an attitude that his hardly unique, and without which we would have lost both the Cold War and WWII — that is to say, turning a blind eye towards our “allies’ ” quite horrific behavior for the sake of our own interest.

In the 20th century the United States made no attempt whatsoever to intervene in slaughters that dwarfed the holocaust in both Russia and China. Millions have been killed in the Sudan and the killing continues there and we ignore. Was every single politician in Washington who didn’t trying to get us involved in wars with them “insane”?

Fighting wars due to humanitarian reasons is an absurd waste of resources. Trying to do so accomplishes nothing but creating a state of perpetual warfare where the US sends of it’s young men and women to die for no purpose or gain.

We didn’t get involved in WWII because of the holocaust. We fought the Japanese because they attacked us and the Germans because they declared war on us.

Others have made excellent points regarding our need for what then Governor George W. Bush called a “humble” foreign policy, but yours was the easiest to reply to and it also happens to be a good post.

I feel the RedState frontpagers and many other TR type progressive nation builders abroad want to tar and feather all who question an adventurist foreign policy with the Ron Paul taint.

Ron Paul is not the leader even if he wants to be, of the people who question the limits of the power of the United States government to control the affairs of the world. When Paul is long gone the problems presented by attempting to police the world will still be staring us right in the eye.

And for every conservative saying we can’t afford our entitlement programs as they exist, that says the government cannot maintain Americans from the cradle to the grave and that government is the problem not the solution there will be a person who hears that and wonders how those same conservatives think that incompetent government can control the affairs of other nations.

I long for the day that conservatives apply President Reagan’s logic to foreign policy where the most dangerous words are “We are the government and we’re here to help.”

“He would have gladly stood by and allowed….”. If he’s so adamant in his principles on these matters, which his supporters will swear to you he is, and given his tendency to blame America for the actions of other nations, then to what extent would he be willing to just “stand by and allow” where our own nation and our own people are concerned?

whether it is Israel, or Australia, or Turkey (the Alevi and the Kurds are the indigenous peoples – the Turks invaded and occupied)
Taiwan? occupied by the Nationalist Han Cinese. The indigenous population now about 2% of Taiwan’s population.

Those of you who want a fascinating view of the tens of millions dead between 1930-1945, should read Timothy Snyder’s “Bloodlands: Europe between Hitler and Stalin”
The Ukrainian “famine” was manufactured by Stalin, and whitewashed by the western media, infatuated by Communism.

well, the real issue about Ron Paul is whether the GOP wants a leading candidate who embraces the support from the far left who are mostly attracted by Ron Paul’s foreign policy. I assume the Aryan Nation really is mostly concerned about hating government, and with their guns.

And, from my study of history, Ron Paul is NOT the heir of Robert Taft’s isolationism as much as Ron Paul has embraced Henry Ford, Sr’s pacifism, deep hatred for the Federal Reserve, and deep belief in the conspiracy of Jews/Zionists secretly running all the banks, all the media, aeven while Ford, Sr was not personally a Jew hater. some of his best friends….

Ford, Sr. was considered a leading non-establishment GOP candidate for 1924. Ironic (or not) that Ford Sr’s Dearborn Independent newspaper had published “The International Jew” series, which ultimately came into a slander trial, and Fird Sr tried the excuse ‘iI did not write this and did not read this’.

From having studied the history of the Presidency in grad school, I actually believe Ron Paul is far more dangerous than Obama 2.0, mostly because the Executive DOES have far more power as CinC and conduct of foreign relations.

before anyone still reading my comments erupts – I did NOT vote for Obama, and now believe he is making Nixon look great.
All anyone had to read was Ryan Lizza’s profile of Obama as warty Chicago politician in the July 21, 2008 issue of The New Yorker to discard any illusion, even about his oratory. The cover got all the media echo, and the Obama campaign banned Lizza, thus intimidating most of the media into obedience to this day:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all

I recall it was Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic Spet, 2008 issue who compared/contrasted the Obama/McCain worldview, and that certainly sealed my support for McCain. Yet, now Goldberg is in the blame Israel First crowd.

Imperial presidencies are not healthy, whether Obama, or a fake Libertarian like Ron Paul.
Can anyone imagine why the WaPo devoted so much investigative energy into that n-rock story that tried to paint Rick Perry as a racist? Too big a threat.

The Paulbots conduct cyber-war on Perry, because of his deep, multi-dimensional support for Israel, including his letter to AG Holder that stopped Bill Ayers’ boat from sailing with the 2011 Fre Gaza flotilla.

(The FX series “Justified” returns on January 18., just in case anyone else needs regular doses of white hat rough justice in Kentucky)