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Here we are, five days before the hawkeye caucii and I still have no idea who I plan to vote for when Tennessee’s turn rolls around on Super Tuesday. I cannot remember ever being undecided this late since I became legally eligible to vote. I have probably run the gamut with most of the rest of the GOP electorate in terms of at least considering voting for everyone in the field (with the exception of Paul, Bachmann and Santorum), but I have come back around full circle to where I started this primary season: no more legislators as Presidential nominees. And yes, this means that if push came to shove, I would probably support Romney over Gingrich. Our brand suffered a lot of damage in the years from 2004-2008, and if the people of the United States actually give us another chance and we elect a Republican who screws things up, we might not elect another Republican for another 20 years. Therefore, I consider it to be especially important this year of all years that we nominate someone who can actually do the job of being President well, as opposed to merely someone who can beat Barack Obama.

The job of being President is sui generis, so it is impossible to predict with 100% certainty who will perform well at it. Just because someone has been a successful governor does not necessarily mean they will be a successful President. However, I can say with some degree of certainty that without some experience that at least approximates the job of being President, a person is almost certainly guaranteed to fail. And the job of being a Congressman/Senator is so far removed in terms of responsibilities and scope from that of being Governor – and certainly from being President – that their experience essentially counts for nothing.

For the life of me, I can’t understand why people are so willing to forget the principle that experience matters when it comes to the most important job in the entire country. Yes, talent and natural leadership abilities count. However, if you had taken even a guy like Rex Tillerson straight out of college at age 22 and made him President and CEO of ExxonMobil, he would have been fired and/or the company would have tanked in less than two years. Everyone needs to grow gradually into responsibility (at least to some degree). It is absolute madness to take someone who has never managed anything larger than a congressional staff, put them in charge of the 100,000+ executive branch employees, and expect anything less than disaster. The current occupant of the White House has done nothing if not reinforce this point.

The difference between what a legislator does and what a Governor does is one of kind, not degree. A legislator is essentially a dickerer, negotiator, and panderer. Insofar as the legislator is the boss of his own small staff, it is completely ancilliary to his other, main duties. A Governor, on the other hand, is primarily the boss of an executive branch of government, just like the President. There is no other job description on earth which comes even close to matching what a President does – including negotiating with an often recalcitrant legislature from the outside.

I was willing to give some of the other candidates a chance to persuade me that I was overvaluing gubernatorial experience. Before the Cain flameout, I was willing to consider that Cain’s experience in the private sector might provide a reasonable approximation of gubernatorial experience. However, Cain’s inability to deal competently with political demands and manage a political staff was his ultimate undoing – as I firmly believe that the parade of women would never have continued had his response to it been even marginally competent.

I also was willing to give Newt a look. Two things ultimately bother me about Newt’s candidacy. First, the Fannie and Freddie Mac stuff. I get that no one is perfect and everyone needs a paycheck. However, the raison d’être of Newt’s candidacy is that he is the smart guy in the room – the one that figures things out. I think everyone would agree that the solution to the financial meltdown is the most pressing thing the President needs to figure out during the next four years. It bothers me that the alleged smart guy in the room was out there immediately before the meltdown touting the financial virtues of the meltdown’s biggest catalyst. It is especially troublesome to me that Newt has been unable to coherently or consistently articulate what exactly his role with Freddie and Fannie was. I reached out on a number of occasions to Newt’s campaign and offered to interview Newt as an honestly undecided voter, but while the campaign answered my emails, the candidate himself was never produced to answer these questions.

Second, the recent floundering of Newt’s campaign has reinforced the importance of meaningful executive experience, and established firmly that being Speaker of the House is not a meaningful substitute. Newt still has never had to win more than one narrow, gerrymandered district. He’s still never taken the responsibility for actually implementing a single policy. And he still is wholly without meaningful executive experience. I was talking with someone a couple weeks ago who was convinced that I was wrong and that being Speaker of the House is an acceptable substitute for gubernatorial experience. They asked, “Come on, are you saying the Governor of Idaho has more meaningful experience to the Presidency than the Speaker of the House?”

First of all, this is the Governor of Idaho. In my ideal world, we would have nominated him for President with the slogan “Butch Otter 2012: Don’t Be Such a Sissy.” We would have carried at least 40 states. Second, to respond to the question, absolutely and unequivocally yes. I admit to not knowing exactly how many people the Speaker of the House has on his staff, but I would lay good money that it’s less than 100. Know how many people work for the State of Idaho? More than 12,000. The jobs are just not comparable.

This goes double (or perhaps triple) for the nonserious campaigns of Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, and Ron Paul. An additional word about Santorum – I cannot seriously believe that the people of Iowa appear to be seriously considering a guy who was last seen in politics losing a swing state by 20 points to Junior Casey, one of the least charismatic people to ever run for Senate. Not only is Rick Santorum wholly unqualified to be President, he’s wholly unable to convince almost anyone to vote for him. Bad idea jeans never go out of style, Iowa.

To me, the three governors stick out above the rest of the field. Rick Perry and Jon Huntsman both stand out clearly above Mitt Romney in my book. Both were more conservative than Romney. Unlike Romney, both were able to face the voters of their home states, run on their records, and win re-election handily. Neither will be handicapped during the course of the general election by having passed a healthcare bill that looks exactly like Obamacare.

None of the three is perfect, or has run a perfect campaign. Perry’s campaign failed to appreciate the damage done by a few mediocre debate performances. Huntsman seems to lack either good political instincts or the willingness to listen to them. Romney’s flaws have been discussed here and elsewhere ad nauseam. But I am confident any of the three would be a vastly better President than Barack Obama, and any of the three would be a better choice than the rest of the GOP field.

I anticipate that by the time Super Tuesday rolls around, the field will have winnowed to two candidates. If Rick Perry or Jon Huntsman is one of those candidates, then I will pull the lever for them. If not, I’ll probably pull the lever for Romney. He wouldn’t be my first choice, but he’d be far from my last.

COMMENTS

  • rwcbarry

    with your thoughts. What this country needs desperately is someone with conservative solutions to the mess that has been created both socially and economically.

    Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin has reasonable solutions to the country’s ills. He hasn’t been a Governor like George Bush, but he wouldn’t do the damage that Bush did to the country and the republican party either.

    I would support Rick Perry, but not the rest of the candidates. Romney will give us a President that is farther left than Bush was, and not far from Obama.

    Romney will be the nominee, and I won’t vote for him. I’m done throwing principles out the window. If there isn’t a candidate that I can stand with, then I’ll sit down.

    • tnguy

      Although, I think Paul Ryan is a phony. He, all too often, goes along with Boehner’s nonsense. I don’t trust him.

      But with respect to everything you said about the candidates, I agree. I simply can’t cast a vote for Romney.

      • rwcbarry

        is what we need to curb government spending. Though it is not the end all of our government expansive issues, it is a start.

        Boehner and other republicans were too chicken to support Ryan’s proposal. As soon as the cartoon came out with Ryan shown pushing G-ma off a cliff in a wheelchair, the republicans ran for cover, and then you have Newt calling the plan “Right wing social engineering”.

        It’s sad that when one of our representatives put out a plan that makes sense, that the RINO’s shut it down, instead of supporting it. Boehner and his ilk won’t allow any conservative ideas to move forward and be debated, let alone passed by the house and senate.

        We need a two term limit for these people, and a law against them becoming lobbyists once they leave.

      • nancysabet

        I hope any Iowans reading this will seriously consider Perry as their choice! He is the whole Conservative package! Strong Christian Values, strong JOB creating record, willing and able to take on the status quo to bring America back to Greatness! I’m just a Texan who’s had the privilege to live in a state that has benefitted from having Gov. Perry in office…helping us make it through the toughest times in my lifetime a bit better! Please vote Perry…you won’t regret it!

      • krish

        Thank you. I have been warning the conservatives about this fraud! If he is a principled conservative, he would have stood with true conservatives against phony budget cuts that Boehner proposed. Of course, that means no more leadership positions & I am not sure if he came up with Medicare cuts so that he will get the limelight & darling of the media. While the true conservatives do not get any acolades from the conservative media.

    • nancysabet

      for choosing a candidate. Perry is the true conservative in the race. He has an 11 proven record as Gov. of Texas, with Balanced budgets and average income soaring. A dedicated family man with none of the baggage of the other candidates. He will provide a clear contrast to President Obama on Healthcare, energy policy, immigration, Foreign policy, and the biggest one to me his faith in America and his belief that we are an exceptional country and our best days are always out there ahead of us for us to strive for. This country has been through dark economic times before, but it was the belief of the American people that we can and will survive and do better that has always pulled us through. President Obama doesn’t have that faith in America, Rick Perry does! Vote for a man who truly believes in our country again,

    • jbit

      I am from WI and have been in Ryan’s district. I cannot say anything negative about him, it would all be positive unless we are trying to vault him up to President from a Congressman. His forte is budget and he is in his element there. He has no administrative experience, no foreign policy experience or any of the other requirements in the Presidential Pie other than budget at which he excels. If you are looking at WI, however, some years down the pike the Wisconsonite to watch is our Governor, Scott Walker.

  • http://online.logcabin.org/about/ suzieQ

    I could not vote for Mitt Romney. If he is the nominee, I will be busy cleaning the house, doing some small projects, or studying on election day. You won’t see me at the polls casting my vote. I only have a few simple “purity” tests that are big issues to me. Romney fails them all. If he is the nominee, I’ll stay home. I would rather not vote than to compromise my principles and live with the fact that I voted for Romney.

    • reddog53

      for your Representative, Senator, Governor and state reps/senators that are up for election.

      We keep failing to understand that the government is not just the President; with a counterbalanced, or more conservative Senate and House, the President is only capable of so much.

      Even more important are the Governors and state legislatures. Forgotten in the mists of time is the fact that in the 90s, there were a lot of them running their states pretty well and keeping things going.

      Don’t fall for this ‘inevitability’ thing — no ballots are cast and Iowa and NH are the beginning, not the end. Look at John McCain, etc.

      • carolina

        There is a lot more at stake than just the President. Conservatives need to get informed and vote, at the very least. Active involvment at the precinct level is also important.
        Every elected position is important, from local county/community on up.

      • carolina

        There is a lot more at stake than just the President. Conservatives need to get informed and vote, at the very least. Active involvment at the precinct level is also important.
        Every elected position is important, from local county/community on up.

    • jbit

      I do not support Romney and would have a very hard time voting for him. However he is not as bad as Obama. There is a radical difference between Liberal and Socialist and that would be the reason that if he is the nominee, you should hold your nose, and pull the lever. Another four years of Obama may make it impossible to ever go back. You need to think very carefully before you abandon the field and refuse to vote. There is always a bad and a less bad choice and good men and women have died to give you the right to make it.

      • dave2131

        I’ll vote for Romney if it comes down to it as I won’t pull the trigger for Obama. Even if you don’t like the choice for President it is still very important to vote for you local offices as well as your congressman.

        Remember, we don’t want another 2008 when the Dems controlled everything.

  • bogeyman

    House of Reps was Lincloln if I am not mistaken. So it would appear that the American voter shares this author’s reasoning. Even Senators are rarely elected directly from the Senate. Obama, Kennedy, tha’t all I canIthink of.

    • Paul_Zummo

      First of all Lincoln wasn’t directly elected from the House. He hadn’t served in Congress in 14 years. Also, Polk (as Speaker) and Garfield were also directly elected from the House.

      • mustango

        By Election Day Gingrich will have not served in Congress for 14 years as well.

        • hls87

          Lincoln spent his years out of office enhancing his stature. He became one of the nation’s leading lawyers and the principal spokesman for moderate anti-slavery. He participated in founding the Republican Party and led the ticket in Illinois in 1858 when the new party won the popular vote even though Stephen Douglas took the senate seat.

          Newt spent the last 13 years diminishing his stature by peddling influence and advocating all sorts of nonsense, to say nothing of his private life. He’s been a national laughingstock since 1995 and he won’t ever hold elective office again.

      • hls87

        Polk was Governor of Tennessee between his stint as Speaker and his presidency. Garfield was elected to the Senate before he became President but never took the seat. Strictly speaking, nobody has ever gone straight from the House to the White House.

      • texashistorian

        was actually Governor of TN after he was speaker, and had been out of office for about 4 years when elected President. Garfield is right on the money, and remains the only one to go straight from the House to the Oval Office.

        • texashistorian

          point taken on Garfield, but really he had no experience as a Senator, so practically speaking he went from house to big house ;)

  • papabear

    No matter the choice, I will not stay home in November 2012.

    If the primary choices are Obummer vs Mittens, I may have to vote Libertarian.

    • rwcbarry

      in the outcome? Obama wins with your approach also.

      • papabear

        If I vote for the down ticket, I can effect house/senate.

        • rwcbarry

          a little slow you know.

          • papabear

            In your post above, you said that if mittens was the choice, you would “sit down”.

            As a minimum, I will go to the polls in Nov ’12. Even if I cannot tolerate mittens, voting for the most conservative house, senate, and local politicians is a “must”. Sitting it out is not acceptable – it would be an abdication of my responsibility as a citizen.

            I don’t know what I would do with respect to the presidential ballot (if Romney is the nominee). I may leave it blank.

          • rwcbarry

            I misspoke when I said that I would “sit down”. I meant that I would abstain from voting in the President category. I would certainly cast votes for the senate and house.

            My fault for the confusion caused. Sorry about that.

          • papabear

            I totally agree. I am still debating which would be worse for the country. If Romney were elected, the damage to conservatism might last a generation.

            I pray for our country.

          • tnguy

            Electing non-conservatives under the guise that they are conservatives hurts the cause tremendously.

            Probably the most important thing any of us can do is pray.

  • lalupa

    The last time I held my nose of McCain. Not doing that again.

    Romney is another HW Bush. If the federal government is going to get bigger, let Obama do it.

    • daveinthed

      In case you haven’t noticed, Mitt Romney is brighter and far more articulate than either GWBush or McCain. Calling him or comparing to McCain, in particular, as many do, is ridiculous from any perspective.

      • lalupa

        Romney will be more articulate and smarter while expanding the federal government. No thank you. I will pass. I have supported the GOP for years because they promised to reduce the size and scope of the federal government. So far they haven’t delivered. The last time they delivered was when Newt was Speaker.

      • lalupa

        Romney will be more articulate and smarter while expanding the federal government. No thank you. I will pass. I have supported the GOP for years because they promised to reduce the size and scope of the federal government. So far they haven’t delivered. The last time they delivered was when Newt was Speaker.

      • nancysabet

        he is an obama-lite.

    • johnconradarens

      Romney may be a Big Government East Coast Patrician Squish, but– unlike Barack Obama– he isn’t a radical Marxist that fundamentally wants to destroy (“transform”) the American middle class.

      I suspect that a President Romney would allow the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline. He would probably not appoint far-left extreme radicals to the federal bench. He probably won’t have Maoists as members of his cabinet. He would likely have an AG that was within the mainstream of American jurisprudential thought. He will probably make a good effort to get the yearly deficits under some sort of sober control. He will likely allow capital to grow, and not smother business activity and energy production, as our current Administration does.

      I won’t go into Romeny’s fecklessness regarding Enviro-statism, Romney-care and all the rest of his mush. He is, without a doubt, the weakest candidate in the current pack. But, to let Barack Obama have another whack at the American middle class is absolutely unthinkable. America would be over; Once Obamacare is firmly cemented in the bureaucracy, liberty, a sound currency, personal responsibility, and life unfettered from federal authority and control is utterly, utterly gone.

      Barack Obama MUST be defeated. Period.

      • heraklios

        Get this straight. No Romney, No way, No How. I couldn’t care less if Obama is re-elected if the only choice is Romney. And he won’t be the only choice. Already, several groups are organizing third party campaigns so conservatives will have someone to vote for in Nov.

        • johnconradarens

          I just will be fervently, fervently praying that very few Americans have your same destructive mind-set. If they vote for a third-party personality in even moderate numbers, it will mean the re-election of the loathsome Obama, and that will mean the end of America as it was constituted.

          But, when you are standing at the gas pump staring at $5 gasoline, or in a three-year line waiting for an MRI, at least you’ll have your principals. I just pray to God (literally) that it’s not your Child’s MRI you are waiting for.

          • heraklios

            The fact is we are going to have $5 gas, health care rationing and all the rest with either Obama or Romney so it doesn’t matter. Romney would, at most, tinker a bit with Obamacare, but probably nothing Obama won’t be forced to do anyway by the Congress. The printing presses and massive devaluation of the dollar will occur under either Obama or Romney because their policies are fundamentally the same.

            Yes, on the day after, I and other conservatives will have our principles, we will start organizing and working, and hopefully by 2016 we will have taken over the GOP and be in a position to nominate a free market, small government, pro-growth conservative candidate.

          • johnconradarens

            Wow. Impressive. Being well-heeled does have it’s advantages, I guess.

            I am manifestly not a “Romney-troll”. And, in all likelihood, I am so conservative that I would make you look like Elanor Roosevelt. But, to do anything that runs the risk of allowing Barack Obama to have the keys to the Oval Office for four more years is utterly, utterly detestable.– and assuredly NOT “conservative”. “Mind Boggling”, yes. “Conservative”? You have to be kidding me.

            Do you understand the gravity of this election? This is not some typical four-year exercise: This isn’t George HW Bush versus Dukkakis. This isn’t Dole versus Clinton. This is the prospect of the death-knell of the Republic. There will BE no “2016″ if Obama is re-elected– One more seat on the Supreme Court, for example (Scalia will be 86 at the end of a second Obama term), and it’s curtains, not to mention all of the extreme far-left Che Guevara-types Obama will stuff onto the lower judiciary and in the bureaucracy. Oh, yes, there will still be an election– but it will be an election about how we can’t touch Obamacare, and about “healthcare” freebies. The entire political spectrum will be permanently shifted to the left– and the opposition –Republican, Conservative, Martian, what have you– will only be arguing about how to “reform” the health-care system; just like they’ve been doing in Great Britain since the institution of the National Health System in 1946.

            Good Lord, man. This isn’t a game. This is the most critical election since 1860. And, I will not be trusting to “hopeful” circumstances in 2016, as you write; No, Obama MUST be defeated.

            Allowing Obama to slither back into the White Hose under any electoral circumstances is unthinkable, unthinkable. In the meantime, stump for the primary candidate you prefer– don’t sit in the bushes firing grape-shot at the other GOP candidates. Build YOURS up; send them money, volunteer, walk the precinct.

            And then work like you’ve never worked for WHOMEVER is the GOP nominee. Or it’s over. PERIOD.

          • heraklios

            and for “the most important election since 1860″ we get…….drumroll please……..Mitt Romney

            No, I’m not “well heeled”, not in the medical profession, and I don’t have an MRI machine. I will get on the waiting list just like everyone else, and just like people in Canada and Britain have been doing for years. Big government won’t be entrenched, be certain of that. We are just a few years, at most, from economic collapse due to our unsustainable debt. Programs like Obamacare will not last because we won’t be able to pay for them. The standard of living of most Americans will plummet (it has been dropping since the late 1960s).

            Yet, when Obama leaves, probably in Jan 2017, the sun will still be rising, and maybe America will have hit rock-bottom so that policies like Obamacare and liberalism in general will be so discredited, no one will consider them anyway.

            Also, since Justice Scalia was born March 11, 1936, he will be 80 not 85 when a potential 2nd Obama term ends. Yes, I acknowledge the Supreme Court may change, but we have the Republican Establishment to blame for this (although they don’t really care about a conservative Supreme Court in most instances anyway). We have made our bed; now we must lay in it.

          • johnconradarens

            America will still exist. It will still have 50 states, it will still have elections, it will still have 320 billion souls.

            But it will no longer be a constitutional republic. It will be something else, the contours of which I cannot foretell. It will be broke. It will be militarily decimated. And it certainly won’t be free. And Liberalism will NOT be discredited.

            If the 20th century ITSELF didn’t discredit a world-view that finds it’s roots in Lutheran protestantism, and that has lingered on in various forms for 500 years, it would seem a pretty hardy strain of evil, and nothing ever WILL discredit it.

            Liberalism depends upon the fallen nature of man to survive as a world-view. As long as as this nature exists, Liberalism (statism, Nazism, communism, totalitarianism, authoritarianism) will endure, and will find adherents. And, it will be impossible to dislodge wihout great social upheaval after four more years of an Obama presidency. When societies crumble, it is bloody and dangerous. Personal liberties and personal wealth evaporate.

            You may be willing to risk it. I am not, especially if I can avoid it with a simple vote.

            And my reference to Scalia was metaphorical. I didn’t look up his birth-date, but I’m fairly sanguine he’s younger than Sonia Sotomayor.

            The third-party run of Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 as a “Bull Moose” progressive gave us Wilson– and a Total State from which we’ve never recovered, in terms of liberty vis-a-vis the State. It was a disaster, as would a third-party run of significance in 2012.

            Romney is a mush-head, a squish, a computer-generated candidate from central casting. But, he won’t actively destroy the country. If you vote third party, though, YOU will.

          • buddyp

            How much impact on the price of gas at the pump do you think your preferred candidate (whomever it is) would have?

            It’s really something how ignorant people are, thinking if we open up domestic drilling much more it would have a substantial impact.

            It wouldn’t. Not in the short term. And not even in the long term. Because there simply isn’t enough potential incremental oil production (to the best of anyone’s knowledge) to have a significant impact on global supply, and global supply is what really matters to domestic prices, because oil is traded in a global market.

            See:
            http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/the-gaggle/2010/03/31/today-in-triumphs-of-ignorance-obama-s-drilling-decision.html

            and

            http://www.eia.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/aeo_2009analysispapers/aongr.html

            and

            http://www.eia.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html

        • nancysabet

          No Romney, No way, No How

  • lalupa

    The last time I held my nose of McCain. Not doing that again.

    Romney is another HW Bush. If the federal government is going to get bigger, let Obama do it.

    • jbit

      There are on the one hand, the Obamaites. Then on the other hand there are , well I am not sure. People who cannot distinguish between the ideologies of President Obama and George HW Bush (and Romney) are going to doom us to another four years and the very real potential for the loss of the nation as the Founders set forth.

      It is not a question of big govenment alone. I would suggest that you study up on Socialist and Moaist philosophies. They have no relationship to the centrist or moderate beliefs of George HW Bush. Bush loved America, was willing to die for her and almost did. He was not conservative enough for me but he was a decent man and a good American. A Socialist he was not. If you cannot tell the difference between this good and decent man and what we are being propelled toward, you need to study up. You need to fully understand the issues and the implications of what another four years will mean. I would prefer a Conservative. But if others give me only a choice between Romney and Obama, I will do what I can to elect Romney.

  • daveinthed

    It’s bad enough that the “smart guy” worked on behalf of Freddie Mac during the years before the crash, but he LIED about it during one of the debates saying, “Yes, I told them not to do what they were doing.” What a flat-out lie. I’ve lost so much respect for Newt Gingrich during the last few weeks.

    You didn’t tell them not to do what they were doing, Newt. Quite contrare, you were working FOR them, telling Congressional Republicans not to concern themselves with it…that the GSE’s were good ideas that should be left alone.

    Newt has shown that he will do or say anything to buttress his career and his standing in Washington. In fact, he’s the quintessentail Washington insider who has gained riches beyond anything most of us could ever conceive of, by being FOR BIG GOVERNMENT. He may have once been a “great conservative”, but he abandoned that long ago.

    To boot, he is the WORST candidate, by far, when it comes to personal integrity and decency, having spit and cheated on his wives and family repeatedly. And the far-right nut conservatioves don’t like Romney? Give me a break. Newt has him beat on all counts, as far as kicking conservatives and conservatism in the teeth.

    • mustango

      I mean by a source that’s not been established as hostile to conservatism. I’m not terribly inclined to trust WaPo Fact Check or Politico to be fair with Newt.

      • Scope

        In Newt own words. There was an audio found on Freddie Macs archives where in 2007 Gingrich is giving a speech at Freddie saying that they shouldn’t change what they were doing. In the last debate, Gingrich finally owned up to the truth and said that he has always been for home-ownership for “all” Americans, and that we all should be in favor of seeing every American owning a home. Can’t get more credible proof than that. His own words.

    • rwcbarry

      but which of our candidates and representatives in the congress and senate aren’t? You can probably count the good ones on one hand.

      You don’t get far in politics being a good guy (Reagan as the exception. He was awesome. I loved that guy. The hair too).

      I will say that Newt has been a good conservative in the past (welfare reform, etc.), and was able to shove reforms down the throats of the democrats (and the republicans) when he was in the speaker position. Newt also produced a budget surplus while in his tenure.

      This is probably why so many representatives (RINOs) hate his guts. He bucked the establishment, and did not follow procedure.

      If you run for office you obviously seek attention and power from those that you wish too govern. Simple as that.

      You all know that person at work that always seems to speak the loudest in meetings and such? Usually, that loud person doesn’t know what the h*ll they are talking about. Well, in this election, we need someone to flap their jaw as to why Obama is bad for the country. Yes. I am endorsing the loudmouth in the meeting, as long as they have their facts straight.

      It would be almost impossible to throw out a negative comment towards Obama, and not have it resonate with the populous (at least people that aren’t currently receiving government benefits).

      Alice Cooper once said “No more mister nice guy…), and I think that sentiment rings true today.

      Why are we, as responsible U.S. citizens allowing our government to dictate to us what we can and cannot do in regards to prosperity, liberty, and freedom? They know nothing of this. They wish to shackle us with the subtle chains of socialism (Obamacare, TARP, European Union Courts, EPA, etc.).

      Ultimately, the future lies in how much, or how little, the once proud American Patriot wishes the government to provide.

      And now the rest of the story…

      • rwcbarry

        We tried so hard to make things better for our kids that we made them worse. For my grandchildren, I’d like better.

        I’d really like for them to know about hand-me-down clothes and homemade ice cream and leftover meatloaf sandwiches. I really would.

        I hope you learn humility by being humiliated, and that you learn honesty by being cheated.

        I hope you learn to make your own bed and mow the lawn and wash the car. And I really hope nobody gives you a brand new car when you are sixteen.

        It will be good if at least one time you can see puppies born and your dog put to sleep.

        I hope you get a black eye fighting for something you believe in. I hope you have to share a bedroom with your younger brother. And it’s all right if you have to draw a line down the middle of the room, but when he wants to crawl under the covers with you because he’s scared, I hope you let him.

        When you want to see a movie and your little brother wants to tag along, I hope you’ll let him.

        I hope you have to walk uphill to school with your friends and that you live in a town where you can do it safely. On rainy days when you have to catch a ride, I hope you don’t ask your driver to drop you two blocks away so you won’t be seen riding with someone as uncool as your Mom.

        If you want a slingshot, I hope your Dad teaches you how to make one instead of buying one.

        I hope you learn to dig in the dirt and read books. When you learn to use computers, I hope you also learn to add and subtract in your head.

        I hope you get teased by your friends when you have your first crush, and when you talk back to your mother that you learn what ivory soap tastes like.

        May you skin your knee climbing a mountain, burn your hand on a stove and stick your tongue on a frozen flagpole. I don’t care if you try a beer once, but I hope you don’t like it. And if a friend offers you dope or a joint, I hope you realize he is not your friend.

        I sure hope you make time to sit on a porch with your Grandpa and go fishing with your Uncle.

        May you feel sorrow at a funeral and joy during the holidays.

        I hope your mother punishes you when you throw a baseball through your neighbor’s window and that she hugs you and kisses you at Christmastime when you give her a plaster mold of your hand.

        These things I wish for you–tough times and disappointment, hard work and happiness. To me, it’s the only way to appreciate life. Written with a pen.

  • texabama

    I agree with the author. That is why I am so frustrated with the supposed “conservative” voters this primary season. I don’t see how you would choose legislators with little or no meaningful accomplishments (Bachmann, Paul) or booted out legislators (Santorum, Gingrich) over a three time successful governor of the second largest state.

    The governor of any state has a better record than the current president, but Perry certainly can claim some real achievements in governing a state that has seen both job and population growth.

    • irishgirl

      it’s my state’s primary–Rick Perry. The governor with the proven record. And I won’t be looking at the polls either to help me decide.

      • irishgirl

        but I’ll be pulling the lever for whomever I need to in the general in order to beat Obama.

      • Scope

        wherever it is. So far Gov. Perry is not an option for me in VA. Ugh!

    • burke

      Having led a state is the best proxy for ability to lead a country. If a candidate has not been a governor, he or she would need to demonstrate her executive judgement and ability in some other context (perhaps by having been a general or entrepreneur). Some argue that Gingrich’s background overcomes this presumption; I disagree, his ideas and the way he talks about them smack of the vantage point of a legislator. So, I can’t seriously consider any of the candidates who haven’t been governors this time around, because they’re more likely to be less competent. I care a lot about competence because no matter how similar a candidate’s views are to mine, nothing will happen unless the candidate is competent and can create a good team to support him or her.

      In my opinion, Huntsman is the strongest candidate and the only one I can honestly say I don’t have any serious problems with. He’s honest and has a good track record.

      I don’t trust Romney, but he’s competent and smart. He’s a distant second for me. I really hope Huntsman is still on the ballot by the time my state rolls around. Otherwise, Romney it is.

      Perry is definitely worth consideration and I understand his appeal, especially for values voters. However, I have a lot of reservations about him. Perry strikes me as rather propped-up and managed by a team. An executive can’t do everything himself, but I would like at least for the president to be in charge of and responsible for the vision he’s selling to the country, and it just doesn’t come across to me that Perry has controlling influence over his platform and strategy. (The same was true of W, and I disliked that about W. ) It bothers me that Perry often seems hesitant when talking, like he’s trying to recall what he’s been told to say. On top of all this, Perry just doesn’t have the warmth and likability of W. W comes across as a really genuine, easygoing and nice person; I don’t get that warmth from Perry, and he seems a little awkward and stiff (not as awkward and stiff as Romney or Obama, but that’s hardly an achievement).

      I just don’t see much there there, with Perry. Texas is a bright red state with a great economy — it’s relatively easy to govern, and I don’t think Perry has taken Texas to the next level in any way as governor. It’s a different animal to lead the country. The nation is divided and has serious problems that need fixing. I don’t know if Perry really has the ability or leadership to take on and turn around a divided country with the problems we have. W had the benefit of an inherited old-guard backing team (Establishment to the core, but definitely competent); Perry is probably going to bring in a bunch of people from Texas. I worry his administration would end up as parochial and ineffectual as Carter’s. Despite my reservations, I think Perry would be far more able to lead the country than the candidates I haven’t discussed because he is a governor.

      • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

        and in reality Bush was a product of east coast political elitism, and he was not even close to being what Perry is. Bush had the name, the backing of the party elite, and he had the money.

        Perry grew up a poor farmer, and worked his way to where he is now. Perry is a huge tenth amendment guy, Bush was all about expanding the power of the federal government.

        I think you should do some real research into who Perry is, because unless you are reading Fox and Politico all the time then I do not know how you can say the things you did about him.

        Do You really think Perry’s team told him to use heartless in the debates.

        Huntsman, there is plenty not to like about him, and if anyone is being over managed it is him or Romney. Huntsman one day says he is in favor of leaving the rules for climate change to the 90% of those who believe it is man-made, then when he decided to start being conservative again he comes out and says the science is not settled.

        Now you say Perry has done nothing to bring Texas to a new level, hello tort reform, 68 tax cuts, and how about taking trips around the world convincing businesses to go to Texas.

        You have no idea what you are talking about. I have no issue with people not wanting to vote for Perry, but at the very least know what you are talking about when you make that choice, because there is a reason so many on this site like him so much, there is no one more real in this race than Perry. You are talking like he is the plastic man Romney (who is really team developed).

        • jakeofalltrades

          The Bush’s are federalists, and Perry is more a Democratic Republican.

        • romansdaughter

          I have been watching Perry at different bus stops these days and now I can understand why he does so well at retail politicking. He is one of them, he is just so friendly and just down home…people love him. Nothing like stuck up Romney.

          • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

            and yes Perry does very well in the face to face stuff

          • romansdaughter

            No I saw Rick Perry on different clips on other sites and on C-span. I am actually overseas right now and am from Washington state.

          • sunshinek67

            today crying over his ailing mother. Saw on Twitter some reporters joking about it. No kidding.

          • reggie182

            Sadly it drew laughter from the audience.

            I don’t know what to say really, except that I’m sorry there was a time I supported Romney.

            Hopefully it gets plenty of airplay in Iowa, and Romney pays a price for it.

  • jjnco73

    I will not stay home this election cycle either, I will concentrate on house and senate seats. After 2010, I can’t believe the GOP is stacking the deck for Romney. Oh well, time to change my voter registration to independent.

    • lalupa

      If Romney is the nominee, I am going indie.

  • http://www.riversedgealliance.org Robin Smith

    I may have my wires crossed, but how do you write in such sweeping statements when you worked to get former Senator Sam Brownback elected president?

    We may, indeed, have Romney as the GOP nominee, but the primary is a good thing.

  • txvoice

    Author is exactly correct, legislating does not particularly provide the depth of experience, the breadth of leadership, nor the quality of political leadership to become President. Governors have been, in contemporary times, the most attractive pool of possible, viable candidates (from a voters’ perspective). Some exceptions throughout history, but contemporary times are different in so many ways and current political dynamics have become so challenging, that the pool, the talent, is very narrow.

    Key historical exception of course is Eisenhower. But, what he commanded, what he was reponsible for, what he did – well, few Governors have ever risen to that level.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    http://www.redstate.com/oz/2011/12/30/grading-out-the-choices-for-president/

  • Christian_Reppie

    with most everything you wrote,. I also will not vote for Mitt..he will set the conservative brand back a lot, as he will run as a conservative but govern as a liberal..When the demorats put out all the junk they have on Mitt..he will be lucky to carry any state. They are holding it all back because they also think he will be the nominee. Give me Rick Perry !!!!

  • Tbone

    will have already told everyone who should be the nominee, my California vote isn’t going to matter. But, I will write in Rick Perry’s name because he is the only candidate that has a proven, conservative record in an executive position.

    The fact that there are Republicans supporting a nothing burger like Santorum or a looney dame demonstrates how fricken dumb some people are,

    PS: Paul supporters don’t count as even humans.

    • jakeofalltrades

      But your California vote shouldn’t matter, since California Republicans haven’t given us an elector in decades. (It is fun being able to vote for whoever you want though without any consequences – I spent a decade recently in San Diego).

      The other states, though…

      • Tbone

        In fact, only states that went Republican or came within 3 points, in the last Presidential election should get to have primaries. Biggest states first, pissant states like NH last.

        • Wubbies World

          …. political system like Detroit’s. There will only be Democrat #1 and Democrat #2 to choose from on the ballot. They almost have it now in that the Democrat candidate is very liberal and the Republican is not as liberal.

  • veritaseequitas

    candidates have very human flaws. Some we may not like personally, some have policies we may disagree with, and one is just out and out looney. What we need is A) someone who can beat the tar out of what is currently occupying the Oval Office and B) proceed to run the country in a more conservative manner to get us back on track.
    If we can have a competent manager as POTUS with a conservative House and Senate, we can accomplish a lot as long as WE THE PEOPLE keep an eye on them and hold their feet to the fire. After all they are human and they are prone to greed, hubris and vanity just like the rest of us.

  • jeffperren

    The author makes a number of good points, leaning heavily on the idea that competence is crucial. However, ask yourself “competence, to do what?” Do you want the Executive branch to competently and efficiently carry out Dodd-Frank or ObamaCare?

    No thank you; I prefer they do that as poorly as possible, unless there is some reasonable assurance that the President will urge Congress to repeal them.

    With Perry, I feel completely comfortable he will do just that; with Romney, I don’t. Barring a renaissance for Perry – by far the best candidate in the field and the equal of Reagan in all but extemporaneous speaking ability – the next best (far down the line) is Gingrich, for all his considerable warts.

  • metairiemike

    Anyone who would consciously condemn this country to four more years of the destructive policies of the anti-capitalist, appeasing, far left progressive obama regime by not voting against him (even if it’s for a ham sandwich running against obama) because “their candidate” isn’t in the race is the worst sort of sunshine patriot. My candiate was Mike Pense but he chose not to run, I liked Rubio and Ryan, but they too chose not to run. I’d support Bobby Jindal if he ran but he won’t this time. That doesn’t mean I throw in the towel and now support obama. Because that’s exactly what it means when someone says “If He’s the Republican nominee I Will Not Vote.” Not voting against obama, or voting third party is exactly the same as Voting FOR obama.” It’s as simple as that.
    After 30 years in the military, I believe, more than ever, in the old adage: “You go to war with the troops you have.” You fight like the devil for the troops, training and equipment you think you need, But when it comes down to it, “you do the best you can with what you have.” I’ll vote for whoever is running against obama/pelosi/reid and then work like the devil to keep him or her as true to my conservative principles as I possibly can. But I will never stop fighting.

    • heraklios

      We don’t care if Obama wins again if the alternative is Romney. No way that slick, snobbish, elitist, s.o.b. ever becomes President. Period. What part of that don’t you understand?

      • veritaseequitas

        to get that low down, no good socialist, Little Barry Obama, out of the White House. He is the most shameful thing to happen to this country in a very long time.

        • heraklios

          If Obama is “low down”; Romney is lower, more slimier, more crooked, more repulsive

          If Obama is a socialist; then so is Romney as he has advocated and enacted the same big government/big spending programs

          What is really shameful is that the Republican Establishment is forcing on us this elitist, unprincipled ogre and thus denying conservatives and all Americans a choice at the polls in 2012

          Please go away Romney troll. There are plenty of liberal political sites where you can comment. This is not one of them.

          • veritaseequitas

            I certainly do not like Mitt Romney, but he is a far sight better than Little Barry Obama.
            Maybe you are an Obama troll, eh?

      • Bill S

        If Romney gets nominated, you’d better do one of the following:

        1). Support him
        2). Don’t comment or post here

        And this applies to every person here who says “I WON’T VOTE FOR ROMNEY!!!11!”

        Once the convention is over, we support the GOP nominee. Period. If you don’t, then be quiet or leave.

        I don’t want the guy either, but he would likely not nominate liberal judges to the SCOTUS, and that is where we really need to be concerned.

        • heraklios

          .

          • acat

            from biting it. A lot.

            I’ve got my lines ready, “Hey, he’s a turn-around artist, we need one!”, “He’s proven he can work with Democrats!”, and of course “Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds!”….

            I’ve been practicing in a mirror.

            Mew

          • Wubbies World

            I will vote for him, but a few beers will be consumed prior to my voting. Thankfully my polling place is three blocks from my house so I can walk there. I don’t need a DUI to compound the situation.

          • heraklios

            should read, “we can speak honestly, right”

          • Bill S

            …within the posting rules.

            http://www.redstate.com/posting-rules

            There are few here on RS who are strong Romney supporters. There are a few wind sock fans “pragmatists” who have decided to support him now. Anyone is free to argue policy, character traits, etc….right up to the general election season…and then the GOP candidate IS our candidate.

        • Wubbies World

          … and after McCain got nominated, I knew it was not going to go well. My posting became very sparse to say the least but I was a good soldier and I did support him though not very enthusiastically.

          In this election cycle I will do the same, unless its Paul, but the danger threshold on that is extremely low.

          I am supporting Perry this time and if Romney wins, I will support and vote for him, though again, not with the greatest enthusiasm.

          • Bill S

            I am too old to reliably remember back to 2008 :-) . but I was certainly a Fred fan for the short time he was a candidate. I stuck it out then and I did combat the “I’M NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN THE RINO” crowd when possible.

      • metairiemike

        You might as well say “I don’t care about my country” or “I don’t care about my children’s or grandchildren’s future.” What a terrible indictment. The sort of thing you hear from the lips of Bill Maher.
        I’m 60+ years old and fought in three wars for this country. I’ve seen the worst and the best. I was disappointed sometimes by Ronald Reagan, who I loved, when he signed democrat budgets every year increasing the federal budget from 745b to 1140b over his eight years, and applauded G.H.W.Bush, who I believed was a classic RINO, when he vetoed the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1990. The point is, ALL candidates (just like all HUMANS) will disappoint you sometimes but you don’t give up on them for their failings. You work and, sometimes, fight with them to bring them around. I’m not going to give up on my country now that it needs me more than ever. And those of you who are throwing in the towel before the fight has even begun, you’re welcome back into it anytime. Because the fight is NEVER over as long as we have the will and we care about what is right and for a better future for our children and grandchildren.

        • heraklios

          But our GOP Establishment comrades keep shooting us in the back every time we go tot he front.

        • david1313

          concerned about Romney ticket than Obama, and yes concerned for our children and grand children. I too am a grandfather of six. Mitt really could be worse. If you don’t see it, you don’t see it.

          • gekster

            If you don’t see it, you don’t see it.

            Regardless of all of Romneys flaws, he would still be 100% better than Obama.

            But, If you don’t see it, you don’t see it.

            You have a chance to support and elect to the nomination the one candidate
            that most fits your values and principles,

            But, If you don’t see it, you don’t see it.

            Before even one single vote has been cast, you can champion the candidate
            who think is the best,

            But, If you don’t see it, you don’t see it.

            You can promote the most conservative in the primary, but if your candidate looses, support the Republican in the general,

            But, If you don’t see it, you don’t see it.

            I think it is you who doesn’t see it.

          • rdm42

            Then you are a blind man complaining about the decor and saying you know better.

        • david1313

          concerned about Romney ticket than Obama, and yes concerned for our children and grand children. I too am a grandfather of six. Mitt really could be worse. If you don’t see it, you don’t see it. Again, if Romney is the candidate i will not post on redstate until after the election.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            And there’s no posted limit.

          • jakeofalltrades

          • dave2131

            RedState should issue an apology for allowing this violent picture to be shown…

            Oh, wait, this isn’t CNN :D

  • renl57

    There’s a good reason why so many of our Presidents have been former governors.

    One of our strongest arguments against Obama is that he has no executive experience and has been reduced to “leading from behind.” That argument will be undercut if we nominate someone who also has no executive experience. Because after 4 years of being President, Obama can claim that now he’s got more executive experience than his Republican opponent.

    There is only one other type of position that is a comparable qualification for President: A military commander–general or admiral–who has also had to be a diplomat. Eisenhower, for one. But we don’t have one of those running for President this time around.

    I can’t visualize a President Gingrich addressing the nation in prime-time–either during a crisis or as a pitch for major legislation–and getting the American people to rally behind him. He’s never had to do that and he can’t do that.

    The only other candidate with management experience we’ve got in this race is Michele Bachmann. Not due to her experience in Congress, but due to her experience as a mom. Don’t laugh, I’m not kidding.

    She successfully shepherded her own 5 children plus 23 foster children. That’s the size of a decent small business. The job of homemaker is the most underrated and least appreciated management position in America: Leadership, discipline, budgets, scheduling, all those skills are needed.

    I can definitely visualize a President Bachmann addressing the nation in a time of crisis and getting the country to rally behind her. She’s got that forcefulness and command presence, probably from having had to deal with 28 children.

  • justonevoice

    It is unfortunate the media painted him as a moderate and he played into that. His platform is among the most conservative and reasonable in the bunch — and certainly among the 3 governors. He is a proven executive. I also like his foreign policy views which are skeptical of intervention and advocating a quick end to Afghanistan.

  • david1313

    I will not vote for Mitt. In many ways this is worse than Obama. The republican brand would be done. Not going to do it. The judges he would appoint would be potentially worse than Obama. Newt is the only one who can stop Romney.

    • rdm42

      Yeah right. Tell me with a straight face that Romney will appint someone to the left of Elena Kagan. I’m waiting. no, I’m not sniggering at you behind my hand. Really. Honestly.

  • Leon H. Wolf

    Have fun with that.

    Way to brand yourself as nonserious, as well.

    • heraklios

      Cute fella

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        Your choice will re-elect Barack Obama. Everything about him is worse than Mitt Romney. You have no idea how elections work, nor that no decision is still a decision and carries with it certain consequences.

        Please tell me how you’re going to explain to your children and grandchildren that you’ve allowed them to be strapped with over $100,000 of personal debt before they work a single day. How will you tell them that millions more children died because of your action (inaction)? What will be your reasoning when you tell them that your inaction allowed the world to be come an even more dangerous place?

        There’s a price to be paid for purity. Unfortunately, that price will be paid by yours and my children and grandchildren, not you. When it happens, I won’t blame the Democrats. They can’t help themselves, they’re just doing what Democrats do. I will blame YOU, because you should’ve known better.

        Oh, and don’t ever expect me to support one of your pure candidates in the primary. Oh, sure, I’ll vote for anyone not named Ron Paul in the general election that has an (R) after their name, but I won’t vote for your candidate in a primary. Party politics requires a coalition. Sometimes we get who we want, sometimes we don’.t But either way, we still support the Party, because it’s the only functional game in town.

        • Remington_Steele

          .

    • jakeofalltrades

      Because anyone who calls themselves a Republican and won’t vote with their party is a Republican In Name Only, a.k.a. filthy RINO.

      • heraklios

        whether I will continue to affiliate myself with the Republican Party, after 2008, the debt ceiling vote, the budget cave ins, the payroll tax holiday capitulation, and 2012 is still an open question….

        • jakeofalltrades

          Because I hear half those seats are empty. If you don’t help steer the only winning party that aligns with your values onto the path, and instead fight against it in a third party, then you’re no better than the demonrats.

          • heraklios

            but I’m not allowed to serve in any partisan positions right now due to my job.

    • Wubbies World

      Yes, I do remember this little guy LOL. Glad to see him again.

  • http://kevinholtsberry.com Kevin Holtsberry

    Captured my feelings very well.

  • david1313

    of the millions of southerners like me. We will go fishing. You can take that to the bank. You want more Obama, then keep pushing Romney. He will lose. He is the less electable candidate out there. Period. Obama will make him the object of the 1 per cent, and it will work.

    • YnotNOW

      because not voting because the “R” candidate isn’t conservative enough will re-elect Obama, who will spend and regulate us into poverty.

      Thanks a lot :(

    • tailfins1959

      The rest of the field is the Keystone Kops. However, they Keystone Kops are better than no cops, or worse still the current gangster in the White House.

      • gekster

        I think in this case you are just seeing what you want to see.
        Supporting Romney does that to some.
        Numbs the logic control center.
        And statements like this shows your mind is on par with a Paul supporter.
        I really thought you had more brains than that.
        Well, I’ve been wrong before.

        • tailfins1959

          Paul supporters think he’s the only choice. All I ask is for a non-Romney to push him off the hill; so far no one can. No one is has really stood out as an accomplished leader. Romney may be stale white bread, but stale white bread is better than going hungry under Obama. It should be obvious to you that my support of Romney doesn’t come with much enthusiasm. Romney is the hand we’ve been dealt.

          • gekster

            You’re dilusional or just willfully blind.

          • tailfins1959

            I’m tired of liars and thieves running our country. I’m just not impressed with Perry. If Perry has the moxie to make Romney implode, I’ll support him. No one has been able to make Romney’s campaign implode, therefore he must be the strongest candidate. Romney seems like the path of least resistance to get the gangster out of the White House.

          • gekster

            No one is has really stood out as an accomplished leader?

            And I say it again, you?re dilusional or just willfully blind.

          • tailfins1959

            Reading the Bernie Madoff book recommended by Dick Morris is on my do to list. Between the mean-spiritedness of political activists (regardless of ideology), corruption, decisions made just to take money from people, I’m sick of it. There were actually nice people in the conservative movement thirty years ago, now they are quite hard to come by. Blame yourselves when you insult people and they decide to lose interest. Conservatives should be ashamed of themselves when they cop a Arianna Huffington style attitude, one of the biggest a**holes in online politics (ideology has nothing to do with my assessment). Is it too much to ask to insist on interacting with nice people when volunteering for a campaign?

          • gekster

            I don’t see where saying you are dilusional or willfully blind is an insult,
            as you said that no one is has really stood out as an accomplished leader.
            Pointing out the obvious is not an insult.

            No need to reply, as I will leave you to the cell you have made for yourself in your own mind.

      • buster93

        Romney is like vanilla. Wake me up in 4 years and see how many jobs he has created with the private sector. Or will he close more companies down and lay people off.Will we have to listen to that fake laugh or see him get softball pitches from fox news over the next 4 years. Kinda sounds like what we have put up with with Obama from the Liberal media. I actually have weaned myself from Fox because they have wanted Vanilla from day 1.Good luck the only way to change this country is to fix it all. RICK PERRY is the one that that can do this.!!! RICK and ROMNEY dueling this out .!!!
        Thats the choice someone that can change the same old Washington or Vanilla. Texas is 6th for financial global market. How about the rest of the US.? We could get this going for the rest of the US with RICK PERRY!!!!

  • rdm42

    If you don’t vote for the eventual republican nominee, you ARE voting in essence for Obama, whatever desperate justifications you try to give. There is no legitimate alternative. . .you ARE in essence voting then for for more years.

  • david1313

    What I am doing by ‘not’ voting for Romney is I am trying to look down the road for my grandchildren. Romney is far worse than Obama. I will vote for any other candidate but Ron Paul. Newt is the only one I see actually beating Obama. Mitt will move the dial a ‘little’ to the right, but in doing so will make it much harder in the long run by ruining the republican brand and appointing judges to the supreme court that will damage us for years. Yes, I believe they will be more liberal than Obama’s choices because it will come from a ‘repulbican’ and will not have the same opposition as Obama’s nominees would have. And I could go on and on.

    • Bill S

      to not post here if Romney is the candidate.

      • dansvan

        Good word!

    • rdm42

      If you think ROmney is far worse than Obama, then you have zero sense of judgement or perspective.

      And can safely be ignored if you think that Romney is going to appoint more liberal justices than Obama. Romney’s justices have a CHANCE of being conservative. Obama’s WILL NOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be even close to KENNEDY.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      Romney could be more dangerous to this country than a second Obama term.

      A second Obama term means deficits we cannot ever pay and hyperinflation along with no economic growth.

      It means a cradle to grave health system entrenched with no possibility of ever changing it even slightly.

      It means a regulatory regime where our energy costs will be permanently about three times higher, and a huge increase in food and other prices as well.

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

        two or three more hyper left wing justices.

  • heraklios

    Just saying

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Pope Benedict is willing to have a much smaller church if it means staying true to its purpose.

      I’m willing to rid the site of every last one of your kind for the same reason.

      Begone, and never return, until you ‘re willing to apologize publicly for being a RiNO.

      • tailfins1959

        What exactly is the mission at RedState? Is it a place for the confused? And if I’m politically confused after listening to Limbaugh for 20+ years and Falwell before that, I can bet others are too. What I see with my eyes isn’t matching the words. Something is screwed up.

        And I am just asking why. Our nation is being tossed about in such a way that it’s hard to know what to believe anymore. For many, just talking and thinking about politics is a luxury. It’s REALLY hard to think about who is the best elected official or to visit RedState when focusing on how much your going to get on Ebay for the dishes you just bought at a garage sale hoping the profit will buy next weeks groceries. Once you achieve the free time to visit a political site, the icing on the cake is deciding how the experience has affected your ideology.

        Especially in these times, not everyone’s views are permanent. If you stomp on them, they may never consider conservatism again. I wonder if our society has become too mean and corrupt to function on conservatism. I hope it hasn’t but fear it may.

        Unless you can demonstrate it’s not a canard, you shouldn’t send people to the contacts link.

        Life doesn’t fit in the neat little package they present in the College Republicans.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          This isn’t up for debate.

          Your choices are the contact page or a ban. Your call.

          • tailfins1959

            I haven’t learned much about politics lately, but I have learned who Neil Stevens is. (not Skype’s Neil Stevens).

    • Darin_H

      This whining is annoying.

      And you’re wrong, the Paulnuts said it about the Paulnut ban, it was said in 2008 about McCain, and yet here we sit with RS going strong…

      • Bill S

        See Neil’s comment just above yours.

        • Darin_H

          . .

    • Bill S

      You have been on the watch list for a while now because of your incessant “I’LL NEVER VOTE FOR ROMNEY” blathering. You have been rude and insulting to others who have the audacity to support Romney. Frankly, as Darin_H reflects above, I don’t even want someone around who isn’t part of the team for the long haul.

      Read the comment from metairiemike that you responded to so stupidly. He gets it. You don’t. And your presence here has become counterproductive.

      • mikeymike143

        in my opinion, only paul and huntsman are worse candidates.

        but if mitt wins the republican primary i will 100% support and vote for him. its not even an issue. `

        • jakeofalltrades

          Seriously, if Romney is nominated, the slogan should not be “Vote Romney!”. It should be “Mail in Your Vote for Romney!”

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    The real problem is can the system/government be reigned in an prevented from collapsing the economy and itself? If that can’t be done by whoever gets elected next year it won’t matter much if the US dollar/economy is broken beyond repair. Eventually the problems being kicked down road will have to be dealt with and if history is indicator the longer we try to put off dealing with the issues the harder and more radical the solutions become.

    The O is a direct line towards collapsing the US from within. The question about any Republican is multiform:
    Can they deal with the “normal” high pressure problems of the Office?
    Can they deal with the problems at hand?
    Can the bring in enough R’s on coattails to help deal with the big problems that will destroy the US if kicked down the road again?
    Can they really beat the O?

    If the candidate runs a sorry campaign what does that say about their judgement – and don’t even try to blame the staffers because they were picked by the candidate and as such they are a reflection of how the candidate thinks and what they will settle for/expect etc.
    /2c

  • katem

    The author is right about gubernatorial experience being the best qualification for the presidency. Of the 3 of them, only Huntsman and Romney have a chance in the general election. Perry’s debate performances hurt him tremendously and he reminds a lot of independents too much of George W. Bush (fairly or not), who remains unpopular.

    Between Romney and Huntsman, the latter is by far the superior candidate and the most electable one. Huntsman was twice elected governor (the second time by a huge margin) and has been a consistent conservative on most issues even though he’s a moderate on a few issues. Job creation was much better in Utah during Huntsman’s term than it was in Massachusetts during Romney’s term (they partially overlapped). Their states are different but the fact remains that Huntsman’s record was better. Huntsman moved Utah to a flatter tax. Utah was recognized by Pew as the best managed state during Huntsman’s term.

    Romney served one term as Mass. governor and would not have been reelected in 2006 had he run. During the second half of his only term, Romney turned his attention to running for president and spent a lot of time out of state laying the groundwork for his 2008 campaign. Romney cut spending (he had to — he took office shortly after the dot com bubble burst and the economy was in recession) and worked with Democrats in the legislature to balance the budget but job creation in Mass. was not great. His record is not as good as Huntsman’s was in Utah. Most modern presidents (obviously not Obama) had substantially more government experience when they were elected than Romney has. Private equity experience is a better qualification for Treasury or Commerce Secretary than for President.

    Huntsman is uniquely qualified among the candidates because, on top of his executive experience (both as a governor and with Huntsman Chemical), he has hands-on foreign policy and international trade experience. Most presidents don’t have this experience when they take office and there is a learning curve. One exception was George H.W. Bush. Say what you will about him on tax and economic issues, but G.H.W. Bush succeeded in foreign policy (the first Iraq war and managing the end of the Cold War) because he had served in the international arena and knew personally a lot of leaders he could call upon for Operation Desert Storm. Like Huntsman, Bush Sr. had been envoy to China. Huntsman’s deep knowledge of, and experience in, China will be critically important. Huntsman also served in Singapore and represented the US in trade negotiations with Japan and other countries. All of this is valuable experience for a president and gives Huntsman a world view and an understanding of America’s role in the world.

    In my view, even in a down economy, Romney’s experience in private equity is not as valuable or as relevant to the presidency as Huntsman’s interational and diplomatic experience.

    Many people on this site do not want Romney to be the nominee. If they are serious, they will support Huntsman. He is a conservative, was a great governor, and has the best chance of defeating President Obama. Team Obama probably can’t believe their luck that Huntsman has not yet caught fire with GOP voters. Obama is where he is today because he had the good fortune to run against Alan Keyes and an aging John McCain (who was hurt by his choice of Palin). If anyone other than Huntsman is our nominee, Obama’s good luck will continue and propel him to another term (in which he can pursue whatever policies he wants to without having to worry about electoral consequences ever again). It is time for Obama’s luck to change. Let’s not give this election away. Huntsman should be the GOP nominee.

  • Darin_H

    I wish Huntsman hadn’t insulted me to start his campaign. He did, but I’m willing to let it go. I wish he’d gain some traction, and hopefully he will in NH. I wish Perry was a better debater to start with, he wasn’t, but he’s still my top choice. And Iowans are stupid if they pick the other Rick over Perry.

    Romney is a panderbear, but he’s my kind of panderbear (one that panders to me). Just like Obama’s weakness makes him more likely to be over aggressive against Iran’s move in the Gulf, Romney will have to show he’s more conservative than he is (perceived at least, because I have no idea how conservative he actually is).

    Perry
    Huntsman
    and yes, Romney

  • david1313

    If Romney is the one I will not post on redstate. Until then, I will state my opinion.

    • jakeofalltrades

      America will be a socialist european crony-capitalist state, and your ilk can be proud that conservatism will never have a majority under this Constitution again.

    • Bill S

      .

  • izoneguy

    For Romney, not for Romney?
    What will be the policy moving forward?

    • jakeofalltrades

      What’s there to be confused about?

      Redstate has said repeatedly it does not want to associate with shills for Obama, no matter what their justification.

    • Bill S

      it’s still “conservative in the primary, GOP in the general”.

      If you’re asking Leon personally, well, he’ll have to speak for himself. The key point I get from his diary is: governors are qualified to run for POTUS. Most congressmen and senators are not. Romney, Huntsman and Perry adhere to this theory, so in an ideal world, the race would be between those three.

      • izoneguy

        No one should be shilling for Obama or say they are going to stay home if their guy (or gal) does not get the nod. That would be suicide.
        Better to have the not Obama candidate for 4 years to cleanse the American
        system of the toxin will call liberalism. Yes some Republicans may be more “liberal” than we like. If we need to de-liberalize more slowly than I would have liked, then that is what we will do.

        • jakeofalltrades

          \n\t

      • acat

        I still refuse to support Ron Paul.

        Mew

        • Bill S

          But for that one, I’d have to put myself on the list, too.

          • jakeofalltrades

            We still aren’t allowed to support him here.

          • rdm42

            That the thought of ROn Paul even crossed my mind. It shows how bad Obama is. . . granted it was for only .05 seconds before the thought went away, but still. . ..

  • snowshooze

    But I never knew it was quite this bad.
    Well, certainly, I realized we had a significant problem in my opinion with Mr. Romney.
    I call him a Rat, a fink and a liar… it’s not entirely personal.
    Sometimes we just can’t get our way. Gee.
    .
    Let’s put our best foot forward, do the best we possibly can, bat for the Candidate each may prefer…and just maybe thing will turn out better than they appear.
    Either way, we need to circle the wagons in the valley on the other side of this mountain range when we get there…
    Or we ain’t gonna make it.

  • lalupa

    to go against Obama. He has executive experience. A successful record. Great proposals regarding reforming the tax code and ending too big to fail. And foreign policy experience in the most important part of the world: Asia.

    Sorry but Romney’s record in MA is not great by any objective measure. What the GOP needs is a successful presidency. Another mediocre, big government Republican and the conservative coalition will break up.

  • lalupa

    to go against Obama. He has executive experience. A successful record. Great proposals regarding reforming the tax code and ending too big to fail. And foreign policy experience in the most important part of the world: Asia.

    Sorry but Romney’s record in MA is not great by any objective measure. What the GOP needs is a successful presidency. Another mediocre, big government Republican and the conservative coalition will break up.

    • texashistorian

      on most issues- his global warming nonsense and abortion stance leaves me uneasy- but he isn’t going to win the GOP nomination for the simple reason that he miscalculated from the beginning. He decided to throw conservatism under the bus rhetorically (even though he himself and most of his policies are quite conservative) and reach out the squishy middle. He attempted to construct a narrative of him being the GOP Obama, a reasonable, rational professorial sounding, that could in no wise be tarred with conservative “extremism.” Unfortunately for the Gov. Huntsman, we are at a point where Reagan’s bold colors matter to more voters and his bland, “pale pastel” soft approach didn’t fire out of the gate. I am sorry for it, because he would be a good nominee, but I think it’s a lost cause.

      • lalupa

        insulted conservative by presenting himself as “a reasonable, rational professorial sounding” you in effect saying that conservatives are not reasonable, rational or professional.

        And I do not get how he insulted conservatives.

        • JSobieski

          I would very much prefer Huntsman over Romney. I think Huntsman would be the strongest candidate in terms of getting elected. However, Huntsman did say things to purposely distance himself from conservatives.

          His campaign staff should be fired. He may pull of something in New Hampshire—one can never tell.

          • katem

            I really don’t see that comment as a dig at all conservatives. It was made in response to comments that Perry and Bachmann made. Candidates have to compare and contrast their views and records with their opponents’ views and records. Huntsman was forthright about where he stood on the issue (which is far from being the most important one of the day). Gingrich and Romney have been all over the map on global warming, pandering to audiences about it and flipflopping repeatedly. Who is better – the person who tells you where he stands or the person who tells you what he thinks you want to hear?

            If conservatives want to win with a conservative, they need to overlook Huntsman’s comment. God knows conservatives have been overlooking a whole lot more (and far, far worse) from Gingrich, Cain and others. Huntsman can win and be a conservative president.

            If Romney sews this thing up early, then we’re stuck with 4 more years of Obama or 4 to 8 years of Romney, a technocrat weathervane.

        • texashistorian

          as J Sob pointed out, was pandering to a certain type of voter, in the mistaken belief that said voter type represented the majority of the GOP. His approach of being “rational, reasonable, professorial” was designed to distance himself from any label of “extremist.” Conservatives can, and often are, all of those things, but get labelled with the “nut job” appellation regardless. Huntsman tried to get around that by playing himself off as a squishy, feel-good moderate who would not represent the ‘extremist’ wing of the party. Unfortunately, his campaign strategy failed to realize that GOP voters want an “extremist” candidate who will go after Obama, the left, and do it in an uncompromising and forceful way.

          Does that make more sense? I like Huntsman as a candidate, just think his strategy was absolutely terrible and is the reason why he is a non-factor. Based on the bulk of his positions and record, he ought to be running top 3, but his choice to try to meet the left in the middle in style, tone, and rhetoric did him in.

          • katem

            GOP voters don’t seem to realize they will lose with an “extremist candidate who will go after Obama, the left, and do it in an uncompromising and forceful way.” Independents will decide the election and they do not want that type of candidate. Huntsman is strong on principle but has a moderate manner that doesn’t turn off most voters. That’s a good thing, not a bad thing.

            Give Obama his due — he was the “no drama”, steady hand on the tiller candidate in 2008 while McCain was suspending his campaign and Palin was going after the left. Voters, esp, Independents but some Republicans too, opted for the steady candidate who appeared to them to be (or rather claimed he was ) a uniter, not an extremist, and capable. All I’m saying is that, 4 years later, the majority of the electorate will likely still prefer a reasonable, non-extremist candidate. An extremist will not win.

            Huntsman was not being reasonable to pander to anyone. Being reasonable and having a moderate manner are entirely consistent with being a diplomat. It took him a little while to transition fully into campaign mode. But reasonable will still win the general election.

          • texashistorian

            that voters don’t want a conservative. That is the argument that gets made every 4 years when it comes to the GOP. So more often than not, we nominate the moderate mannered ones: McCain, Dole, Ford, HW Bush. Only one of those four was successful, and only because he misrepresented himself policy-wise.

            We also have to be careful not take for ourselves the media meaning of “extremist” which is what Huntsman was trying to avoid. It is patently NOT extremist to want to cut spending, grow the economy, champion individual freedoms, and insist on a strong national defense. It also NOT extremist to stand for those things in a vibrant and forceful way. That is what voters want, and even if you might be correct in a general election (I would still disagree), the GOP primary is what Huntsman needed to negotiate first, and his approach did not do him any favors in that regard.

      • katem

        Huntsman is the candidate who is most like Reagan. Reagan was optimistic and stood for some core principles but worked across the aisle to get things done. That’s Huntsman. Reagan was a strong leader but didn’t engage in name calling and bomb tossing. That’s Huntsman too. Reagan had big and bold economic/tax proposals. Huntsman put forward the boldest economic and tax plan (endorsed by WSJ) and is the only candidate taking on “too big to fail” banks with a substantive proposal, not just railing against the problem.

      • septembergurl

        You do know he is very pro-life, more so than any except Perry.

        • septembergurl

          meant to respond to texashistorian above.

          • texashistorian

            meant gay rights, not abortion. As my candidate would say “Oops!” ;)

          • texashistorian

            that he supported the stimulus did he not? That said, I could live with him as our nominee, but that ship has sailed I think.

          • septembergurl

            Huntsman’s position is that he supports gay civil unions, not marriage (as has been reported). There was no legislation or executive action involved, it is simply a position. He supports DOMA.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            It just seems like he is a lackluster personality. And I just do not know enough about his past (although that is my fault).

  • txteach

    before refusing to vote. I understand your view of not wanting to sacrifice your principles by voting for someone who isn’t as principled as you. How many people did you know who refused to vote McCain using the “Carter gave us Reagan” philosophy? I know quite a few and several have since told me that it was a big mistake. A review of the 2008 election results state by state / county by county reveals that had a few of those who refused to hold their nose and vote McCain showed up at the poles, it would be a much closer race ( http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/ ). At best, a different winner; at worse, Obama couldn’t claim the huge mandate – which could have made a difference in legislative votes. It also could have changed outcomes in House & Senate elections getting people to vote on down ballot issues.

    Our ancestors fought for us to have a say – the right to choose – they couldn’t guarantee that we would always like our choices. Just like in our daily lives we have bad options to choose from and have to decide which will do the least damage. Refusing to choose is also a sacrifice of those principles you hold so dear. Please – VOTE – even if you have to hold your nose; then get out and work to change the primary system – (i.e: regional/national primaries; closed primaries and FEWER Debates) and fix it where a very small minority of people are choosing our nominee (sorry Iowa and New Hampshire – having the first claim is an ego thing – and not much more)

  • JSobieski

    Bachmann is a great example of this. She can take very pure and strong positions because she doesn’t impact the issue in any way.

    Executive positions don’t allow the person to vote “present” or to stay pure without consequences.

    I do give Newt more credit for being Speaker than I do Bachmann for being a Congresswoman because Newt as Speaker had to face the same accountability that executives face—but it still isn’t as good as being governor.

    I would have made an exception for Paul Ryan solely because I think the three most important issues in the 2012 election are issues on which Ryan is the best spokesperson—repealing Obamacare, reforming entitlements, and tax reform.

    • septembergurl

      nt

    • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

      great work dude

  • explodinghead

    Perry is at 14% in Iowa in the latest poll, Santorum is at 15%. The media are hyping the Santorum surge to deflect the rebound in Perry support. Instead of arguing over the future of whether to vote Romney or not, why not get on other web sites and spread the great news that Perry is surging. If he could pull a little of the Santorum support he could come in third or better in Iowa. Santorum and Perry together have 29%, that beats Paul and Romney. Bachmanns 6% could also put a Conservative well ahead of Paul and Romney. It is time to consolidate the vote behind Perry for the long haul.

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      but they are about to get a crash course in Santorum, much like Red State has done in the last few days. Its time to get it done, this national journal article is very good. Read :-)

      http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/can-perry-s-recent-crowds-translate-into-votes–20111230

  • boonerdan

    Even if that experience reveals a liberal progressive who thinks government is the solution more often than not? Don’t worry. The Establishment and the media will eventually wear enough people down that they will settle for McCain v2.0 (aka Romney).

    My “vote” my last bit of liberty left in this country and I will not sell out my principles for any party or “big tent” gathering.

    My list of NEVER will vote for has now grown to 3: Romney, Paul, and Huntsman.

    • rdm42

      . . have zero perspective if you think any of the three apart from Paul could be anything but light years better than Obama.

    • jakeofalltrades

      so Romney is a no-brainer.

      • Bill S

        ..

  • septembergurl

    this point — which really seems quite obvious — for months now. It’s obvious that, everything else being equal, Americans tend to nominate and elect Governors, for the reason you state, namely, the executive experience that closely parallels the Presidency: appointing a Cabinet, balancing a budget, dealing with the Legislature, raising or cutting taxes, dealing with emergencies. The candidate thus has invaluable experience.

    If successful as a governor, he will also presumably have some talent and skills that are innate — leadership, judgement, decisiveness, etc — that you don’t get as a member of the legislature.

    The exceptions occur — as they did in 1960 and again in 2008 — when foreign policy is at the forefront of the national consciousness. Then Senators tend to run and are elected — a function of the Senate’s constitutional roles in treaties, in war powers and in approving appointees in foreign policy positions. Thus we had 2 Senators in 1960 and 2008 — and two senators as vps as well.

    In 2012, the Republican field reflected the more usual pattern. In addition to Romney, there were four governors running — Pawlenty, Johnson, Perry and huntsman. There were also four governors who considered running but did not — Palin, Barbour, Daniels and Christie. The reason for this is as Leon explains — the disastrous lack of executive experience — and of any aptitude for the job — displayed by Obama.

    Thus we had three successful governors — Perry, Pawlenty and Huntsman –who had been returned to office, in Perry’s case several times. Perry and Pawlenty had served in their states’ legislatures, but they gravitated to executive positions. Huntsman served in sub-cabinet posts dealing with trade and diplomacy, also executive positions, and served as CEO of his family’s bazillion dollar corporation.

    so, how is it that, as Leon asks, none of these are positioned to win the nomination, or at least be contenders?

    My answer is, the ruinous decision to make the preprimary season entirely focused on debates. By my count, there have been 16 debates involving all or most of the candidates, and they have driven the primary to its present state. The consequences of this:

    1. The campaign for the nomination was nationalized from the beginning. This hurt candidates like Perry and Huntsman, who entered late and without preparation and were not able to campaign under the radar, working out their themes.

    2. It cemented the faux frontrunner status of Mitt Romney, who benefited from his experience in 2008 and was able to ride out the debates while others stumbled.

    3. The debates were immediately co-opted by the media who used them to portray Republicans as fools and lunatics.

    4. The debates brought about the rise of Bachmann, Cain and Gingrich — none of whom were going to go the distance, but who dominated the summer and fall at the expense of real candidates.

    5. The debates destroyed the candidacies of Pawlenty, Huntsman and Perry.

    In the earliest debates, Pawlenty was deemed to be not aggressive enough. No need to go into Perry’s difficulties but if he had been allowed to run the kind of campaign he is running now in the first months he was in, talking to smaller groups, working out his themes, he would not have made the mistakes that damaged his candidacy.

    Huntsman had a different problem, in that he had to introduce himself to the American people at the same time he was positioning himself vis s vis Romney. The consensus is he did a poor job. But it was made much harder by the debates, which is where 98% of Americans met him and did not much like him. He quickly became the annoying guy at one end of the stage (Santorum was the annoying guy at the other end).

    still, there are signs of hope that now there will be some focus and depth to the Republican primary. Pawlenty lacked the funding to ride out his fall. Perry and Huntsman are better positioned financially. The Iowa caucuses will bring about the demise of Bachmann and the beginning of the end for Gingrich. A strong finish for Perry in Iowa will give him momentum in South Carolina, a very good state for him. Likewise, Huntsman, who has yet to have the kind of surge Santorum now has, is well positioned in New Hampshire. A post SC field of Romney, paul, Perry, Huntsman and probably Santorum is a much better field for Republicans, reflecting genuine conservatism .

    It will have been accomplished in spite of the debates, only due to the perseverance and commitment of these candidates.

  • beric

    1. State leadership and national leadership are completely different, as any supporter of the 10th amendment would agree.

    2. A president, no matter how strong he is, is useless if his agenda never passes through congress.

    This is why I really can’t support the concept of a “Washington outsider”. We really need a conservative who knows Washington, and yet will “work” it to pass a conservative agenda. A president, no matter how much of an “outsider” he is, still has to work with congress. If he spends two years just building that understanding, that’s two years wasted.

    I fully respect governorship as good experience in itself, but it’s entirely different from being president, and isn’t automatically ahead of legislative experience. If the governor was a strong leader, and showed good results, that’s nice in itself. But I can’t support the idea of doing “governors simply because we always do governors”. the only really good governor we’ve had as president in the past 50 years was Reagan. How’s that for a track record? Bringing fresh perspective to the presidency, but in a person with a track record of actual accomplishment (unlike Obama), is a strong proposition.

    I support Newt a this time, because he knows Washington well, and yet is still is a conservative. He got every item on the “Contract with America” agenda to be put up for a vote, and most of it even passed. We need that kind of leadership. Newt even got Democrats to vote for a conservative agenda. That’s the kind of leadership we need. Supporting governors simply because we always do is a flawed perspective, and I don’t think it’s worked out too well for us.

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      that he is not well liked by the same people you think he can control. The second major issue is look how Newt has fallen in Iowa under what Republicans run against him, just imagine what it is going to be like when Democrats go all out on him. A Vote for Newt brings Obama one vote loser to winning reelection in my opinion.

      • beric

        Newt knows Washington, and can influence it, but is not of the establishment, hence why he’s somewhat disliked. But he still knows how to work the system, and that’s vital in actually passing legislation. As much as I liked Herman Cain, he didn’t have a chance of accomplishment in office, due to just not being able to “work the system”. Obama is the same. He’s passed some very bad legislation, but not near as much as we feared, due to simply not having done any real leadership and accomplishments.

        As to your second comment, about Newt in Iowa, it’s because of one thing: Newt refuses to to engage in negative campaigning against fellow Republicans. It also takes a lot more money to advertise a solutions-based campaign, as opposed to a negative campaign based only on attacking one’s opponents. And apparently 45% of all ads in Iowa have been ads AGAINST Newt. Newt is not afraid to attack Obama and expose him for what he really is. Newt does this in all of his speeches, and in the debates, and in his own ads. He simply follows Reagan’s 11th commandment. It’s a long-term strategy, unlike the short-term one other candidates are using (including Perry), which will ultimately turn against them.

        If anything, Newt is the candidate who can bring it to Obama, moreso than anyone else. Doesn’t everyone want to see him debate Obama? America is tired of “politics as usual”, and I really see Newt’s idea and solution-based campaign as resonating with the American people at large. Obama WILL engage in a negative campaign, no matter who the nominee is. In providing a positive, solutions-based campaign, while noting Obama’s failures in this area, surely voters will be smart enough to see through negative attacks.

        • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

          the big issue with Newt is he is not real. When they were fighting for the contract with America, eleven conservatives went to vote against increased spending. Newt was so mad that he did not get the budget he wanted through he called up those eleven congressmen to force them to explain why they voted against the bill.

          Now this bill violated Newts contract. Why would he do that, well because he was trying to please the establishment. Newt called the congressmen who voted no “Those Conservatives” not my pals in the congress, no he has called conservatives many vile things over the years. He called us hateful when they decided he was messing up to much and he had ruined the gains we maid in the 90′s. he called conservatives cannibals.

          You are right, Obama will engage in negative against any Republican candidate, the difference with Newt will be most of what he says will be true. Newt did shut down the government partly because he did not get the seat he wanted on Air Force One. Newt did get found guilty of ethics violation by a panel of 4 Republicans and 4 Democrats. Newt did cheat on two different wives with interns and then married those interns. Newt did get paid by Freddie mac, Newt has supported the mandate in the past.

          SO I do not care how well people think Newt can debate, that is going to be 3 days out of hundred, and when ads start running, and campaigning starts happening, we will be in trouble.

          Look at the damage that happen to congress after the debt ceiling debate, congress now has about 8% approval, This after just a threat of shutting down, now how easy will it be for Obama to point at the former speaker of the house and say. look he shut down the government in the 90′s, He is more of the same partisan politics of the past that we need to get past.

          Newt has no real defense against anything because he has messed up so many times, it does not matter that Newt can debate, He will lose every other battle which means he will lose the election, and probably by a huge margin.

  • rharrison

    but the problem with Newt (besides the adultery) is that he entertains non sense from time to time. The Tofflers back in the 90′s, global warming with Pelosi, and lobbying for Fannie Mae which is actually the worst thing of all. He sounds great and usually is solid, but not always so.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    this is good news because I think Perry does very well in the one on one or one on 10 conversations. He can work a crowd like no candidate Ive seen this cycle. I hope everyone that is a Perry supporter is not giving up, this is not over. The funny thing is, now that Santorum and Paul are the ones who are getting the media attention, and poll numbers we hear the blogs talking Huntsman and Perry.

    Now this should have been like this the whole time. How many people stated on this site alone that if conservatives did not get behind Perry then Romney would win, and I still feel that is the case.

    Newt will wither under the negative ads in every state before they vote, because that’s how people even know to look into something a candidate has done, Newt can say all he wants that the other candidate are lying when they say he got paid by Freddie mac to do at the very least consult, but it is more and likely he lobbied.

    Santorum has such a weak ground game, that he would hand Romney the win if he comes out of Iowa with a Win, he cannot beat Romney.

    I think Huntsman’s appeal is very limited, even though I did see him start calling himself the consistent conservative in the race, but I think that is going to be a little late, and in the same interview he said he was a conservative that believes in bringing the country together and passing laws, well the only way he is going to get the Democrats to work with us is to water down the conservative agenda so much that it still looks to be center left.

    So lets hope for some real movement at the end of this Iowa voting thing, and I can see it happening.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/can-perry-s-recent-crowds-translate-into-votes–20111230

    • Scope

      that Perry’s crowds have been standing room only. I read that his Marshalltown (I think) event last night was reported to have been packed with every seat taken, and a crowed standing along the back wall.

      A few nights ago even Fox’s Carl Cameron reported from one of his events and said that it was a standing room only crowd.

      OTOH, I saw a picture of one of Santorum’s events, and there were a few people siting in what looked to be a restaurant, but, most of the seats were empty. The author claimed that that is what his events all were like.

      I’m actually laughing when I see Bachmann on Fox claiming that she has been getting huge crowds to her events, but at one event the “crowd” looked like it could have danced on the head of a pin.

      Does anyone have any idea of how many attendees Newt has been attracting, or how many Romney has been attracting? I did notice that when Christie did an event today for Romney, they never showed the crowd that I saw. Then of course Christie tells the Iowans that they better do the right thing on Tues. and vote for Mitt, or else. What’s he going to do, sit on them?

      • circlegranch

        said this morning that Perry has alot more support in Iowa than is being reported….he’s there on the ground, showing up at rallies so his report isn’t hype.

        • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

          there is no doubt in my mind that Perry is the best candidate to take Obama on.

      • 1bunny

        speaking the crowd was silent and he yelled “don’t go all library on me” So even Christie couldn’t stir up enthusiasm for Mittens.

        • Scope

          about the Christie event was his attempt at strong arming the Iowas in saying “do the right thing and vote for Mitt, or else.” My husband said it sounded like the mafia thugs saying “You see that dok blue townca in front of your house.” It reminded me of when Ann Romney made some kind of comment to the effect “if you don’t vote for Mitt, you are stupid or dumb or whatever she said. Do these people even understand that Iowa is not the Northeast corridor that thinks that Romney is the greatest thing since sliced bread? They are so completely out of touch, and it should be obvious. I honestly don’t know how anyone can support the Romster unless you are from the elite northeast, wear Gucci’s, and jeans that look like they were just taken off the store shelf at Brooks Bros. Oh and don’t forget the button down preppie collar shirts he never goes without. Can anyone imagine Romney in a pair of Carhart overalls.

  • vangoghssister

    I still do not see how Romney can win against Obama. (As I write this, NBC is running a piece on how Romney is now the front runner in Iowa with a whopping 23% and showing that stinker Chris Christie standing next to him on the stump. My head would explode if I weren?t chuckling over the 23% – same old numbers. If it had been 28% or 30%, then my head probably would have exploded and I?d be worried. Oh, and the crowd did not appear to be standing room only, either at the outside venue or the indoors venue.) There are too many ways for Obama, the Dems, the Talking Heads on television and radio, Facebook , etc to tear him down. One of the main points of their attack on Romney will be his wealth , being in the so-called ?1%?. As I said before, they will harp on it and beat him over the head with it ad nauseum, along with all of his changes in position on the well-known issues. Romney will not do himself any favors because he will get all puffed up and condescending, not having a way to defend himself without hedging the truth. Has there ever been a candidate that made the top tier without having hardly said a word? I?ll admit I have not watched all of the debates, but it seems to me, for the most part, he has just stood there and let the others have at it while he watched with that smug look on his face.

    At any rate, my point is, what could Obama attack Gov. Perry on? His debate slip-ups? Seriously? I guess they could trade ?oops? moments. I?m sure the Gardasil non-issue would come up and the few other non-issues. But, Obama cannot get anywhere with border security or jobs and the economy against Perry. He certainly can?t argue his upbringing as he did not grow up here. He won?t be able to compare and contrast that with Perry in any way, shape or form. Gov. Perry has the kind of story Americans love ? pulling one?s self up by the boot straps and making something of himself without the luxury of family money and/or influence. He?s a regular guy just like the rest of us. That ruins the ?1%? argument, the Perrys are not wealthy people. I suppose Obama could try to attack him on the notion of a part-time congress, but that too would backfire. C?mon ? they don?t get much done when they?re there full time, so cutting their pay and sending them home makes more sense. It?s hard to hide from the people who hired you when you?re in the same state. All of us would be able to hold our representatives accountable in ways we can?t do now because they are so far removed from reality (out of sight, out of mind). An attack on tax reform won?t work ? who doesn?t want to fill out a postcard and mail it in rather than wading through pages and pages and pages of tax code and hoping you get it right. Who wants to pay H&RB big bucks to do their taxes? So what if it?s optional? It will eventually become the norm, not the exception. People always choose the easier way. These are the kind of things that once they get out there, folks start to think ?well yeah, that makes a lot of sense?. Truly, comparing Perry to Obama is literally like comparing apples and oranges. It will all boil down to whether you are an apple person or an orange person.

    Am I a Perrybot? You?re darn right I am and proud of it. No matter who you favor in the primary, Do Not Give Up. There is nothing that will give us a nominee we don?t want faster than buying into that ?inevitability? line of brainwashing. Do everything you can to prevent that from happening!

    • buddyp

      Perry needs to speak before a group of women and cry about something.

      The tactic worked so well for Hillary to at least rebound in NH in 2008 that now Newt just used it

      Yes, I’m very cynical about politicians. I’m not saying there wasn’t some genuine emotion, but I’m guessing he made a conscious choice to let it flow and cry for political gain.

      • pttx333

        I just can’t bring myself to say that Newt was pulling a fast one regarding his tears for his mother. My beloved mother died in 2004, and it is all I can do to speak about her without the tears flowing. The loss will be with me until the day I draw my last breath. She was 85 when she died, but that doesn’t mean a thing. A huge and glorious light clicked off the moment she passed.

        Therefore, I must give Newt a pass on this one, because I know how it feels. And I give him little wiggle room with all of his baggage – there just isn’t any. But on this one thing, I can truly say that I understand.

        • buddyp

          Sorry about your loss and pain. I lost my mother to lung cancer in 2006, so I do appreciate the emotion. But as for Newt’s crying, I’m sticking with my cynical view. YMMV.

          • pttx333

            Perhaps it is a gender thing, buddy – I take it that you are a man and will give any other man little room to be emotional. And I don’t mean that in a bad or ugly way at all. I am a woman, and I do know that we are more prone to be emotional – that is just the way it is, and also the way of our society. We can agree to disagree – no harm no foul. I just chalk it up to gender differences, though I do hope that with Newt it isn’t insincere – that would be entirely another story for me!

            Unfortunately, the older we get the more loved ones we lose and life just becomes different from when we were young.

            Happy New Year to you and yours, buddy.

          • buddyp

            Thanks. Happy New Year to you and yours, too.

            Yes, I’m a guy. But don’t think any less of a man for crying. I just have a very cynical view of politicians generally. Basically, they make their living to a large extent by making statements that are both emphatic and at least partly insincere. So when I see a politician tear up or cry in a situation in which it’s quite possible he saw it as politically advantageous, I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

            By the way, as far as I know it’s quite possible that Gingrich tends to tear up or cry when speaking of his mother privately. I just think he can keep such emotion in check when he wants to, and he chose instead to let if flow for political effect.

            Just my sense and my guess. Yes, we can agree to disagree.

          • pttx333

            politician angle. Unfortunately, the vast majority of them are phony, fake and plastic-like. But once in a while one comes along that is different from the others, and, for me, that is why I fully support my Governor Perry. Guess I’ve kinda cheated in that I’ve “known” him and voted for him for many years, and it is very, very rare that I’ve been disappointed in him. Sure can’t say that about any of the other candidates.

            Thanks for the reply, buddy!

  • circlegranch

    and I could not agree more with the comments here by vangog…

    Romney’s background and current wealth and lifestyle are as custom made for Obama’s re-election bid as the custom made shirts both of them wear. From Mrs. Romney’s expensive imported pleasure horses to the multiple elaborate homes they enjoy, Obama will be all over it, painting the Romney’s as mega-rich and examples of this ‘income disparity’ line we keep hearing. Conservatives don’t begrudge the Romney’s but rather say, “Good for them!” Those highly coveted Independents and all Americans out of work,however, are much more likely to side with Obama when he tells them Bain Capital and other companies like them are the real problem and the reason why they lost their jobs or why their cost of living is going up. The argument that Romney is the ONLY candidate that will draw in the Independents is baseless. The election will come down to jobs and the economy and Obama has done a pretty good job so far of holding his base and stirring up the OWS movement in his favor. They will run ads showing the generations of rich Bushes and making the comparison between them (the perpetrators of the recession according to Obama and the media) and generations of rich Romney’s and ask Americans if they want to trust another wealthy political dynasty.

    Look at both debate scenarios: Romney getting cornered and Perry getting cornered, let’s say on jobs. Romney will duck and dive and stutter and laugh nervously and sweat. Perry will come back with plain spoken English, the voice of the common man and he’ll swing back with proven facts and numbers to draw the stark contrast between what he accomplished in Texas vs the damage Obama has done. Nothing especially eloquent or soaring, just plain talk, man to man, just like Perry does on the campaign trail.

    A couple other statistics should be pointed out here. First, the Pew Hispanic poll shows Obama capturing about 3 times the Hispanic vote than Romney has. the Hispanic vote went in favor of GWB and made the difference in winning and losing for him. Romney has done nothing to appeal to this very large and important voting block.

    The other consideration is that Chris Christie’s popularity isn’t quite what we’re told. Ranking above him are Gov. Martinez in New Mexico, a friend and ally of Gov. Perry and this past week, Gov. Walker in Wis. did a TV interview which he stated the candidate that can best articulate how jobs creation and getting the spending under control will win. He seemed evenly complimentary of both Perry and Romney but he also seemed to be subtlely suggesting that its Perry that like him, has been in the trenches during this Administration, trying to hold things together for their states. Walker knows what Perry has done and what it takes to survive and create the environment for jobs when the federal govt fights you all the way. Perry can ask Obama in a debate just how many companies relocated to the U.S. in his term and then report to the nation a laundry list of companies and small business and private enterprises that have moved to Texas. Carl’s Jr. Restaurants are a prime example of that. Texas is a cheaper state to build because of far less restrictions and taxes. Obama has nothing to counter that with other than he ‘saved’ the auto industry. No, Mr. President, you and Congress took taxpayer money against the will of the majority and bailed them out and in the case of GM, we suffered a big loss we could ill afford. $250,000.00/per Chevy Volt. How much did each of those non-existent shovel ready jobs cost us? About a quarter million each, right?

    No reason to believe that Mitt Romney has some magic to bring to the debates against Obama. Most Americans can get more comfortable with the relaxed, real, down to earth conversations Gov. Perry has with the nation than they can with the high brow routine. If we consider that the nation has some of the highest unemployment of our lifetimes, about half are on food stamps, free school lunches, or some other govt. welfare program, that’s a signal that a common, plain spoken voice is going to resonate the most, not that of a mega-rich guy that can’t possibly understand what its like to be doing without something. Granted, there are some with their hand out that shouldn’t, but if the president is going to run on the appeal to the downtrodden and suffering and those doing without, how does the GOP think running Mr. Big Bucks is a good contrast? Instead, let’s run the guy from a humble beginning that can lead by example that if we suck it up and get busy at the work of making something out of ourselves and being determined to not give up and become dependent on a govt. that only wants your vote, anybody in this great nation can make it. We all don’t all have to rise to the level of wealth that the Romney’s enjoy but we can work hard, make more good choices in life than bad and become something. We can learn a trade or become a professional, save and buy a home and raise families. We don’t have to wallow in class envy and go through life, teaching our kids that everybody else owes them their living and their happiness. Those are messages Americans need to be reassured about and its going to be hard to hear them from a candidate that has never been there; Mitt Romney’s life of privilege was pre-determined for him. He might not have worked a day and still been able to lead a comfortablel life. Not too many can say that. That’s hard for alot of Americans to identify with right now. Perry-bot? Darned straight.

    Rick Perry
    President 2012

    • vangoghssister

      …it’s good to know there’s someone else doesn’t mind the ‘bot’ badge!

  • bzip

    Powerful Iowa Congressman Is Noncommittal on Endorsement, Perry Persistent in Courting Him
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/steve-king-remains-noncommittal-on-endorsement-perry-persistent-in-asking-for-support/

    New Rick Perry Ad: A Fiscal Conservative
    http://www.therightscoop.com/new-rick-perry-ad-a-fiscal-conservative/

    A Fiscal Conservative
    http://youtu.be/726AV2dexM4

    • romansdaughter

      Nice and I think that is a winner…I believe Rick Perry team has put out some terrific ads. Yes, I read that Rick Santorum is already whining about the negative exposure he is starting to get now. LOL Welcome to the world of politics!

  • dajeeps

    “Our brand suffered a lot of damage in the years from 2004-2008, and if the people of the United States actually give us another chance and we elect a Republican who screws things up,”

    I pretty much stopped reading right there because you contradict yourself. If you think sticking ones head in the sand, at best, while the housing bubble goes on unabated, with little comments poked here and there to inject some plausible deniability by a former governor isn’t damaging to our brand then I guess I really don’t know what is or where the buck is supposed to stop.

    The only reason we even have a prayer is because Obama is such a complete and epic failure who doesn’t deserve a second term. If we don’t elect someone who can and will actually solve the problems then we will end up just like that, and we really shouldn’t be so arrogant to think otherwise.

  • viclic

    It’s too bad this website is self described as conservative since few have any idea what conservative is. Mr. Wolf and many of the people leaving comments seem to be focused on anything but conservatism.

    Of the potential nominees Bachmann, Cain, and perhaps Perry are the conservatives in the race. Conservatives believe in limited government. Of the candidates, these are the only three that may reduce the size of government. NONE of the others believe in reigning in the size of the federal government. The Republicrats that are left wouldn’t reduce spending but spend on the causes they like.
    Whether or not Gingrinch supported the individual mandate or just the “idea” of Romneycare means very little. What is glossed over is that Gingrich, Romney, and Huntsman all believe in government as problem solver. Government creates problems, not solutions. Their ideology (NG, MR, JH) is more closely associated with liberalism than conservatism. If Romney is the nominee the choice is Democrat (Obama) vs Democrat Light (Romney).

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