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By: Leon H. Wolf (Diary)  |  February 1st, 2012 at 04:00 PM  | 

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To kick things off, via the MRC, we have a reminder that there are still some people in this country who are ignorant, racist trash. Language warning.

Open thread!

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  • earlgrey

    I considered putting a link on the morning open thread, but didn’t.

  • federalfarmer1

    If romney is nominated, and Gary Johnson, who governed a blue state longer and far more conservatively than romney, is nominated by the libertarian party, is it okay to discuss him positively here? He’ll likely be on all fifty state ballots, he has a credible record of budget balancing, and favors overturning roe v wade and federalist societys judges, though he is pro choice. He has none of Ron pauls racist baggage, and is not antiamerican on defense policy. He will also get he pothead vote and pull some leftist support from Obama. If draws enough. He get get into the twenty percent range, and have a credible shot at election. ( remember, santorum and Newt had no chance only a few months ago)

    I’m considering going to the state libertarian convention as a tea partner for Johnson. Thoughts? How does that jive with redstates purpose?

    • snowshooze

      The generak consensus is that we shall overrun the offices, throw the establishment out the windows… ( Please open the window first.. that glass is expensive..)take all the cars and planes, bring the exterminators through and fix this mess where it sits.
      Otherwise, we will be so marginalized that we will never make a difference.
      And well… Johnson may be ok, for a doper. Ha.
      No, third party talk will get you thrown out the window.

    • aesthete

      Erick and co want to make RS a clearinghouse for conservative activists and higher-ups in the Republican party on our side in a way that is conducive to keeping conservatives unified, and to take control of the major party most amenable to our interests. A bunch of third-partiers milling about is counter-intuitive for those purposes, and convinces Republicans sympathetic to us that it’s a waste of time to ally themselves to conservatives.

      You can make nice comments about Gary Johnson and his record, use him as a foil for Republicans, and write a diary for informative purposes, but writing a positive diary for a third-party candidate recommending support for him is a no-go.

      • federalfarmer1

        Especially if there is another credible candidate available. I don’t think theres much question that a Gary Johnson presidency would advance conservatibe goals much more than a romney presidency. And as this year has shown, crazy swings in the polls are common.

        I’m going to keep shilling for Newt, But I think a lot of tea parties like me will have a very hard time deciding whether to work for romney or bail and go for Johnson. If he gets above ten percent in the polls, which I think likely, it will be very hard to stick with the gop.

        • aesthete

          I dunno. Arguably, they already have: more self-described conservatives have left the Republican party as of late than moderates, and others (like me) are Republican solely to primary the b*sterds and have our own ideas rise within the party, rather than out of any great affection for the state of affairs.

          RedState? I’m guessing that it will stay staunchly Republican until the very end, if the end should come — which makes a lot of practical sense, given the mission of the site, the people it attracts, and the niche that it occupies.

          Publish any pro-third party posts elsewhere.

        • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

          Even if you don’t like the guy at the top of the party there are a lot of other considerations. As long as Dems are in power they funnel every more billions of public money to their union cronies. And,
          They promulgate ever more useless and retarded regulations.

          A republican president, no matter who, would be better in a number of ways.

        • snowshooze

          Look, we have Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Willard Romney…
          Gary couldn’t be horribly worse, it is just he isn’t up to the competition.
          So, if he can’t even man-up and put up a decent fight…
          he is far short of the rest.

          • JSobieski

            Polls didn’t mention him as an option, and being eligible for debates was contingent upon having certain poll numbers.

            I am not one to make excuses for candidates and campaigns, but Johnson really was screwed by the media-political complex. Not saying it was a conspiracy—the media is frankly a comprised of lazy group think people.

            Johnson started as a self-employed person who built a 1000 employee construction company.

            He issued more vetoes than just about every other governor combined.

            The guy runs marathons and climbs mountains.

            The MSM just wouldn’t include him in the polls.

          • snowshooze

            I don’t hardly know anything about him except MSM drivel, and Pot is the only thing they wanted to talk about.
            And of course, that will gather zero sympathy with the Conservatives.

  • Locked and Loaded

    nt

  • snowshooze

    White and Blue.
    Are they overtly calling the Tea Party a pack of Racist’s now?
    It sure looks like it. Or what other motive might he have?

    • civildebate

      This isn’t a new development. The Black and Latino communities have considered the Tea Party and other ultra conservative groups racist since the beginning.

      Blacks hear typical conservative rhetoric about openly hating foreigners, illegals/anchor babies/spanish speakers/latinos, gays, muslims, arabs etc. and think the only reason we (yes, I’m black) aren’t overtly hated in public by conservatives is that it’s no longer politically correct to do so.

      You can’t go around hating people for their culture, religion, or lifestyle and make black people think you don’t hate them too… in secret.

      Chris Rock said it best here:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poqoClsEhR4

      Blacks largely think much of the respect and love Conservatives give to MLK and Muhammad Ali today are because of the whitewashing of their historical images. They (We) believe that there’s no way a black public figure could go around saying the things they said and doing the things they did without catching a lot of hate from conservatives.

      For example, Jesse Jackson was MLK’s right hand man. He was the guy that King picked to lead his civil rights organization and essentially the guy that carried Kings torch after his passing… how much do conservatives love or respect Jesse Jackson? They don’t. They hate him.

      Then there’s all the Confederate Flags, the dog whistle politics, the southern strategy, birtherism, and hate for various civil rights acts (see: massive support for Goldwater, Strom Thurmond, and Rand Paul due to their stances on those acts)…

      It’s really not that hard to see why Blacks and Latinos view Conservatives and especially the Tea Party as covert racists.

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

        are ignorant and racist.

        There, I said it.

        In the first place, I haven’t seen any strong evidence that anything ever said at Tea party rallies was racist. I have seen opposition to open borders, BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS BEING ANTI-HISPANIC!

        All the other crap you talked about was just that, crap. As for Jesse Jackson, I don’t give a flying flip what ML King thought of him fifty years ago, in the succeeding years he has been a very hard corp, poverty pimp who always played the race card, and shook down corporations for protection money. He is nothing but a kingfishing scumbag.

        Oh! and by the way, Being opposed to SOME black people does not mean that I hate ALL black people.

      • runner12

        Nothing that you said was civil nor did it debate any points. You simply painted all Tea Party people and Conservatives with a broad brush, claiming that we “hate” certain groups of people.

        For the record, I do not hate any of the groups you mentioned. I also happen to have great respect for MLK. Not because it is politically correct, but because the man stood for what he believed in and against injustice. Even when it cost him his life.

        Have you ever sat down and talked with a Conservative? Have you tried to understand exactly what we believe and why? You may learn that the caricature that you have drawn of us is totally false.

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        one of the leaders of our local Tea Party and local GOP is a legal immigrant. He is pro legal immigration and anti illegal immigration. K. Carl Smith (google him if you like) is a frequent speaker and attendee of our tea party events and monthly meetings. Anita Moncrief has also spoken for us, among other black conservatives. I suppose they’re racist as well, in your eyes, that is.

        You should buy a copy of K. Carl’s book, Frederick Douglass Republicans. It’s enlightening. Here’s a link with info on the book and his site –

        here

      • snowshooze

        I see that a couple of people are ticked at you for answering my inquiry.
        I want to thank you for taking the time to do so, and understand that these are not your views, only observed perspectives.
        After having watched the interviewer dragging his subject, kicking and screaming across a hot bed of coals.. I came to the conclusion that there had to be something to it.
        And I identified where I thought it must be coming from.
        Logic dictates you are absolutely correct.
        I cannot see any other explanation for the interviewer to try to trap her into admitting Tea Party association …at any level.
        He was desparate to herd her into the category.. it was his ONLY objective, and the absolute pinnacle of importance in this segment of that interview.
        Pin the label on the donkey.
        I watched Chris Rock. It was painfully repulsive for the whole 5 seconds I made through it.
        Gosh, what a cheap shot at Tea Partiers.
        Thanks,
        Mark

        • civildebate

          for understanding that I was illuminating the Black and Latino perspective and not sharing my own views.

          That said,

          He tried to trap her into saying she was down with the Tea Party because he knows that his majority black audience sees the Tea Party as racist or at least catering to racists.

          She recognized that and tried to deflect the question.

          The host also tried to trap her with the “Do you support BHO” question. Both of them know the listeners view BHO as a hero. A flawed hero, certainly, but a guy right up there with Jackie Robinson and Joe Lewis because of the feat he accomplished.

  • johnt

    Despite lip service to the contrary. Notice that after all the gas it comes down to the usual name calling crutch, racist.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    If any ideological movement in America is guilty of promulgating the “Plantation Mentality” it is the Left. The Left can’t seem to let go of the notion that they somehow own the Black Community. To make the point, whenever an independent thinking black American dares to emancipate themselves from Uncle Sam’s plantation they are hunted down and subjected to a “lynching” in the media.

    We need to stand with Charlotte Bergmann and other brave Black Conservatives like Tim Scott, Allen West, Star Parker, and Mia Love. We need to have the courage to condemn racists like Jeremiah Wright, Thaddeus Matthews, Louis Farrakhan, Malik Zulu Shabazz and the New Black Panther Party.

  • snowshooze

    Works great!

  • http://www.tinfoilhelicopter.com lunaticrex

    My wife, a Brit who lives in England, sent me this. I feel somewhat ashamed, as I should have already known about it. To think a British liberal…well.

    Anyway, it is worth a look. It is a painting of all the presidents and several documents such as the Constitution and some Amendments, along with some of the more egregious and problematic laws that have been made since. Each of these people and items reveal further information (the painter, Jon McNaughton’s opinions, really) about them as one floats the mouse cursor over them. It’s awesome.

    http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/?artpiece_id=379#