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The [Main] Problem with Santorum

As I have said here before, I like Rick Santorum. For being a Senator from Pennsylvania, he was pretty darn good. He’s undoubtedly a very strong pro-lifer, which means that he and I are in tune on the most important political issue to me. I still do not consider him to be a good nominee for President whatsoever.

Let us grant for just a moment that executive experience is not as important as I believe it is for Presidential nominees. Given that all the momentum seems to be swinging his way, it would appear that most voters do not indeed agree that executive experience is a necessary prerequisite for the job or the nomination. Fine. I am still at a loss for what exactly in Rick Santorum’s record commends him to be the right candidate for this place and time in American history.

Santorum likes to point to two particular episodes in his record as evidence that he is a conservative crusader against spending: welfare reform and social security reform. Santorum is right to accentuate his involvement in these two efforts as he was effective in the welfare reform fight and threw himself wholeheartedly into the social security reform fight, despite the fact that it ultimately doomed his electoral prospects in Pennsylvania. What this proves is that when Santorum is pointed in the right direction by GOP leadership, he can be a loyal and sometimes effective foot soldier.

However, the rest of Santorum’s record – which Erick has recounted here on numerous occasions – indicates that Rick Santorum has never been a leader when it came to bucking the party leadership on anything – most especially including spending. On every major spending issue – Medicare Part D, earmarks, etc., Santorum was complicit with the worst aspects of the Bush administration’s fiscal profligacy.

I defy any of Rick Santorum’s supporters to point out to me one instance – even one – of Rick Santorum battling other Republicans on spending. Maybe it happened and I missed it; I certainly don’t pretend omniscience.

I don’t suppose this would matter so much, except that the people who are now flocking to Santorum are the same people I hear constantly telling me that another go-along, get-along Republican is completely unacceptable, and that they’ll stay home if one is nominated. It isn’t enough, I am constantly told, for the nominee to oppose Democrats now and then – we must have someone who will also oppose feckless Republicans. What good will it do us to march toward socialism a little slower than the pace preferred by the Democrats? It boggles that mind that, as an electorate, we rejected Rick Perry because his voice sounded too much like George W. Bush’s, and yet we stand on the verge of nominating George W. Bush’s true ideological successor, Rick Santorum. Bush’s fundamental problem was that he lost his veto pen until the Democrats took control of the Congress and let the Republicans run all over him on spending; who can say with a straight face that Santorum would not have this exact same tendency?

On spending, Rick Santorum has spent his entire career as a follower rather than a leader. In light of this, I am at a loss as to how he has suddenly become the choice of so many who loudly proclaim that only a crusader on spending issues will do.

 

COMMENTS

  • WillWong

    That is what Rick Santorum is basically. He could have dropped out prior to Florida and let Newt duke it out with Romney but instead chose to hang around to see if Newt implodes. Lucky for him, Newt is sinking despite fighting hard in Florida copming in a respectable second despite being outspent by a wide margin by Romney.

    I still believe Newt is the only guy with big enough ideas and vision to turn this around but he needs money to come in fast!

    • Rudy

      You’re right Will. Just made a donation to Newt’s Campaign.

      I’m hoping he has a great debate soon. Waiting to see if Romney goes in with the big guns on Santorum. I think if he does he’s going to continue to decline. He’s like the school bully. LOL

      Who knows… maybe Romney will drop out of the race altogether. Would be great to see the “two man race” be between Newt and Santorum and the debates be about Policies and not stupid attack ads. I would enjoy NOT seeing Romney in this race ALMOST as much as NOT seeing Obama in the White House anymore. ;)
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      • WillWong

        after talking to my better half later today. So far all my contributions have been to Newt with a token $50 to Bachmann.

        Newt mentioned that he has 200,000 contributors who are at $200 or less. I believe those are the ones who came on board after the two huge debates in SC. Let’s hope the majority of them will come home to Newt!

      • WillWong

        When my better half heard how Sheldon Adelson stop financing Newt, she got worried and quickly said OK!

    • clowngirl

      but that isn’t helpful to Newt right now. His sinking at the moment is largely BECAUSE of Santorum right now and his current momentum.

      It seems absurd to give more weight to 3 beauty contest where Newt hardly competed, than to South Carolina, Florida, and Nevada — hard fought contests where Santorum competed and even had some advantages and still finished miles behind Newt, but that’s what’s happening at the moment.

      Hopefully Newt’s California swing and his visit to Georgia will yield enough $$ that he can get back to campaigning and start to build a little momentum in key states.

      Meanwhile Romney is likely to make himself useful for a change by advertising heavily, attacking Santorum..

      My suspicion is that the support for Santorum has less to do with his record than with him being perceived as untarnished. The nice — not that controversial guy, without baggage. When his warts, etc. are shown in greater relief — and when people have time to really think about it — consider things like his complete lack of executive experience or any history of leadership which Mr. Wolfe just wrote about– a lot of support is likely to shift back to Newt.

    • http://alt2p.org Brookhaven

      He’s not Mitt Romney.

      Let’s be blunt. No matter what Santorum’s shortcomings may be on any particular issue, Romney’s shortcomings on that same issue are twice as bad.

      For every rock you throw at Santorum, you can throw the same rock twice at Romney.

  • BlueLandRed

    > it would appear that most voters do not indeed agree
    > that executive experience is a necessary prerequisite
    >for the job or the nomination.

    the results of 2008 would have answered that question for you.

    • http://lukos.com Ed54

      should answer the question on the results of 2008 for everyone.

      • Bill S

        The problem with Obama is and has been that he’s a hard-left socialist whose policies are profoundly bad for the nation. It has zero to do with any lack of “executive experience”. The thing he lacks is conservative DNA.

        • http://lukos.com Ed54

          In fact, they are mutually reinforcing. One reason Obama is hard left is that he lacks the executive experience to understand that theory and reality are two different things.

          • Bill S

            If that were the case, then every CEO, governor and president would be a conservative.

            One does NOT necessarily lead to the other.

        • Scope

          that had many many years of executive experience. Obama has been in office now for more than 3 years, and has gained executive experience along the way, and how has that helped the nation. The more experience he gains, the closer to the edge of the cliff we get, and his executive appointments are getting worse and worse, Jack Lew for example.

          I fear what kind of severe conservative appointments Romney would name. He would owe an awful lot of people pay backs, even those that are barely Republican and/or qualified.

        • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

          I think he’s made a good number of mistakes and gaffes due to lack of executive experience. You are certainly correct about the hard-left socialist policy problems in addition to those.

  • papabear

    Romney is much worse. As the leader of his state, he voluntarily met the Democrats on their turf and blew away his Mass. Republican allies. His pathetic excuse of “I was in enemy territory” is risible.

    Given those two choices, I could never pull the lever for Romney.

    • texasref

      Romney’s porridge is too cold, and Ron Paul’s porridge is too hot. Santorum’s is too salty, and Gingrich’s is too spicy.

      Oh well, pass me the spicy porridge, and a glass of water. On the rocks, if you will.

  • steve962

    I don’t recall the Social Security reform issue being a significant issue at all in Santorum’s loss in 2006. Santorum was doomed to lose in 2006 no matter who ran against him, because he’d run, and won, his previous elections by toning down his social agenda and promoting himself as a fiscal conservative.

    Pennsylvania may average out to be a semi-bluish state, but it’s quite divided internally. The T is primarily socially conservative. The big cities are socially liberal. The smaller cities and the suburbs around the big cities are socially moderate and strongly fiscally conservative. On average, the fiscal conservative side is stronger than the fiscal liberals, while the social liberal side is stronger than the social conservatives.

    By 2006, it was clear Rick tilted completely the other way — his social agenda was way too far out of the mainstream, even for many social conservatives in the state, and he’d proved himself to not have a fiscal conservative bone in his body. Had anyone serious run against him in the Republican primary, he likely wouldn’t have even made it to the general election, and he had absolutely no chance in the general, IMHO.

    I, too, am at a loss as to why he’s even in the race here — except that maybe he’s serving the “Anyone but Romney” role. You don’t win the general election that way.

    • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com punditpawn

      His proving to be fairly bullet proof by not having record on anything. It worked for Obama.

    • http://www.StanOlshefski.com Stan Olshefski

      Santorum was been hit on Social Security reform in each of his three Senate races.

      A couple week before Election Day in 1994, a tracker recorded Santorum suggesting that the full retirement age be increased to 70. That video and quote resurfaced in 2000 and 2006.

      BTW — The Philly suburbs are not that fiscally conservative.

  • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com punditpawn

    He also goes his stated moral beliefs when it’s convenient to ‘represent his State’, then swears he won’t do the same in a Federal role. I don’t get it.

    Newt might be a pig, but he’s not a donkey.

    • texasref

      Vote for tasty bacon in 2012.

      • clowngirl

        that’s the fact people who don’t like Newt would like to see forgotten.

        I see Newt as being very close to getting back on top.

        Assuming he can raise enough money in the next few days that he can focus on campaigning, and Romney’s (expected) attacks on Santorum can blunt that momentum, if Newt can turn in another debate performance of the caliber we saw January 16th, he will do respectably in MI and AZ, have a terrific Super Tuesday, and have his biggest surge yet.

        • WillWong

          and the depth of the hole we are in, then will it finally dawn on us what kind of a President we need to get us out of this deep dark hole.

          We need a revolutionary to lead us and as far as my eyes can see, there is only one living revolutionary among us, Newton Leroy Gingrich.

          Wake up folks! No more managing the decay! Let’s dream big! Let’s dream grandiose dreams. Let’s turn this great country around one more time!

        • Finrod

          .

  • WillWong

    but he will not be able to turn this ship around. There is nothing in his DNA that shows he has the wherewithals to do anything huge, drastic, historic, and momentous. Newt is right, Santorum or Romney will just manage the decay!

    • jamesm

      1) To clean up the mess Obama has made

      2) To wash our hands of the democrat majority in the Senate

      3) To vacuum up the dust of the Romney campaign

      4) Top mop the floor with Obama at the debates

      and last

      5) To sweep liberal nonsense out of Washington

  • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com punditpawn

    Newt Clearly Buries Santorum Here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DFy1nIw84-E#!

    • texasref

      “I want Newt.”

  • http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/ texasproud

    I love George W Bush. He is truly a man I admire for his clarity and above anything else, his determination grounded in an unshakeable faith. I believe 20 years from now he will be looked at is one of our better Presidents. Saying this, Bush’s view on ‘compassionate conservatism’ drastically increased the welfare state. While he was good intentioned, programs like the Medicare Prescription Drugs program, and No Child Left Behind are part of the problems we are facing today. The GOP lost focus on a small, limited federal government that respects the tenth amendment. This is why nominating a true small government conservative with executive (preferably a Governor) is at the top of my wishlist. While Perry has a pretty good record to run on, he was a lousy advocate of it. Herman Cain, who I first supported, was someone who understood the need for a smaller government. The only candidate who doesn’t subscribe to a world of a smaller, limited government that respects the tenth amendment is Santorum. He repeatedly attacked Perry, Romney, Hunstman, and any other Governor who advocated state solutions to issues throughout debates as someone who never saw local answers as the answer. On his wikipedia page he is quoted in an interview with NPR of attacking libertarians, which by itself has merit, but his definition of what is libertarian isn’t drug legalization or legalizing prostitution, but this…

    In June 2011, Santorum said he would continue to “fight very strongly against libertarian influence within the Republican party and the conservative movement.”[138] In an NPR interview in the summer of 2005, Santorum discussed what he called the “libertarianish right,” saying “they have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do. Government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulation low and that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues, you know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world, and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone…”[139]

    I am not for legalizng drugs or prostitution, but I do believe that government should stay out of our lives whenever possible, and Santorum has never stated that. Getting the government out of our lives gives other spheres of influences like local charities, the local church, and volunteer organizations to do the heavy lifting with the bureaucratic red tape

    • texasref

      I wish I could have written a comment like that. Spot-on.

    • Bill S

      It’s one of the best things he’s said in the entire campaign.

      • Finrod

        ..

        • jakeofalltrades

          I don’t see a spittle’s worth of difference between conservatives trying to control my life and progressives trying to control my life. Government exists to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Other than that, it should get the heck out of my way.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            a pure laissez faire philosophy. But I will probably never go all the way there. Government can occasionally do some good, and it is often a necessary evil.

        • Bill S

          Yes.

          • Finrod

            If you think libertarians are a bigger threat to us than Big Government, then I’m hereby revoking your Fiscal Conservatism card.

      • Scope

        In June of 2011 the destructive Ron Paul R3volution was already well under way. I have no doubt that he was referring to that phenomenon.

      • aesthete

        neither of whom saw it necessary to demean ideological compatriots while differing from their perspective.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      “”I believe 20 years from now he will be looked at is one of our better Presidents. “” .

      Not likely. Bush was a very limited man with some right instincts and some alarmingly bad instincts and What some call his determination I saw more as damned myopic stubbornness.

      My problem with Santorum is that I see all the same negatives in him. And few of the positives.

    • acat

      This is not going to end well.

      Mew

  • http://practicalgopvoter.blogspot.com/ texasproud

    I love George W Bush. He is truly a man I admire for his clarity and above anything else, his determination grounded in an unshakeable faith. I believe 20 years from now he will be looked at is one of our better Presidents. Saying this, Bush’s view on ‘compassionate conservatism’ drastically increased the welfare state. While he was good intentioned, programs like the Medicare Prescription Drugs program, and No Child Left Behind are part of the problems we are facing today. The GOP lost focus on a small, limited federal government that respects the tenth amendment. This is why nominating a true small government conservative with executive (preferably a Governor) is at the top of my wishlist. While Perry has a pretty good record to run on, he was a lousy advocate of it. Herman Cain, who I first supported, was someone who understood the need for a smaller government. The only candidate who doesn’t subscribe to a world of a smaller, limited government that respects the tenth amendment is Santorum. He repeatedly attacked Perry, Romney, Hunstman, and any other Governor who advocated state solutions to issues throughout debates as someone who never saw local answers as the answer. On his wikipedia page he is quoted in an interview with NPR of attacking libertarians, which by itself has merit, but his definition of what is libertarian isn’t drug legalization or legalizing prostitution, but this…

    In June 2011, Santorum said he would continue to “fight very strongly against libertarian influence within the Republican party and the conservative movement.”[138] In an NPR interview in the summer of 2005, Santorum discussed what he called the “libertarianish right,” saying “they have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do. Government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulation low and that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues, you know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world, and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone…”[139]

    I am not for legalizng drugs or prostitution, but I do believe that government should stay out of our lives whenever possible, and Santorum has never stated that. Getting the government out of our lives gives other spheres of influences like local charities, the local church, and volunteer organizations to do the heavy lifting with the bureaucratic red tape

  • Wubbies World

    … Executive Experience is not what voters are thinking about I am afraid.

    Voters are just tired of squishy candidates who won’t fight or so much as give a hint of lying to get elected only to forget all the promises after getting elected. That is my take after talking to people around me. Right now Santorum is the last best hope of a fighter who has the least probability of going soft. Is it logical, maybe, maybe not, but that is my sense of what’s happening.

    In short, Santorum is not a “Severe” Conservative but is the strongest Conservative left standing.

    (Note: I am at work so I did not read the whole article for time considerations)

    • Finrod

      The last thing the Republican Party needs for this election fight is a nominee that wants to expel libertarians from the party and thinks that contraceptives should be made illegal.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …is on my diary-site; it also hyperlinks into Guzzardi’s dissection [which he has updated] @ The Liberty Blog.

  • quill67

    These are accounts that can be used for buying health services that do NOT expire and accumulate tax free.

    Health care spending is driving the deficit. In fact, if the cost per recipient were to stay the same even with the increased number of recipients–we would have a surplus in 10 years. (source CBO)

    So if Santorum brings some free market principles to Medicare and all health care, he will do more to shrink the size of government than any cuts or austerity plans that could be created.

    Add to this that Santorum opposed TARP while many Republicans supported it and you know he is on the right track.

    Focus on the big problems not the symptoms such as earmarks.

    • texasref

      And it’s good to know if he is our nominee that he is right on those issues.

      But Newt’s better ;-)

    • acat

      His protests to it are “Words. Just words.”, they signify nothing other than positioning himself for the POTUS run.

      HSA accounts and their kin FSA accounts are a Good Thing .. but I’d like to see just when/where Santorum was in favor of them.

      Mew

      • aesthete

        You know, an expansion of government. This makes his “support” for HSAs somewhat akin to a non-Maoist industrial socialist’s support for cutting ag subsidies.

    • ffc99

      from the comfort of his living room in Virginia. Given his big government voting record in the Senate, I suspect that had he still been in the Senate, he’d have been an “aye”.

    • Leon H. Wolf

      While they are a good idea, they do not reduce the amount of money the government spends at all. They may reduce the amount YOU spend, but not the amount the government spends. Moreover, they were passed as part of a package (Medicare Part D) that DID increase government spending by trillions and trillions of dollars. you could say that HSAs cost the government a whole bunch of money.

      But more to the point, HSAs were something GWB pushed very hard, which goes along perfectly with the point of my story – as long as GOP leadership wanted Santorum out in front on an issue, he was gung ho. When it came time to confront GOP leadership about spending, he was MIA.

      Which is also why it beggars the imagination to suppose that Santorum would have steadfastly opposed Bush on TARP if he were still in office. Whenever the GWB called on Santorum to jump, his only question was “how high.” But let us suppose that after years of acquiescing to GWB’s spending habits and actively sending pointless pork home to his district, he would have suddenly grown a spine during the fight over averting the meltdown of the entire financial sector. I mean, I don’t believe it, but let’s suppose it might have happened. What that means is that he would have supported a bunch of pork to his home state which the taxpayers will never see again, but opposed a program designed to prevent the destruction of the American economy, which has been almost entirely paid back:

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704261504576205142438418336.html

      In other words, the best thing you could say about Santorum’s principles in re spending if you grant that he would have opposed TARP would be that while he was in favor of wasteful spending, he opposed spending that had an arguable point. Not really the best endorsement of his judgment.

      • acat

        HSAs are pre-tax, so they reduce the gross income of every American who has one. (I have one .. and it took a good ten minutes of staring at my W2 to realize the money “missing” from the gross income number was over in box 12…)

        The point being, I don’t pay taxes *at all* on the number in box 12, and it does lower my income, so .. it helps me pay less in taxes, thus reducing federal revenues….

        Mew

        • Leon H. Wolf

          Which is sort of the point. It’s not exactly courageous to be in favor of tax breaks for the middle class.

          • acat

            most Red State readers would be smart enough to realize reducing government revenue means increasing government borrowing …)

            Mew

          • texasref

            because the obvious point SHOULD be that it means reducing SPENDING. What a sad state of affairs when the obvious conclusion to reduced government revenue is an increase in borrowing.

            That’s like calling Suze Orman and asking her if it’s OK to buy that ferrari after just losing your job at McDonalds.

  • keepourrepublic

    “It isn?t enough, I am constantly told, for the nominee to oppose Democrats now and then ? we must have someone who will also oppose feckless Republicans. What good will it do us to march toward socialism a little slower than the pace preferred by the Democrats?” – Leon

    That criteria eliminates Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum from consideration. If they really believe that then why aren’t those people supporting Ron Paul?

    • deVere

      It’s not a secret, and no one will change their mind until Ron Paul changes his.

      • keepourrepublic

        In fact I wrote a post here about how I’m no longer concerned about Ron Paul’s foreign policy:

        http://www.redstate.com/keepourrepublic/2011/12/29/ron-pauls-foreign-policy/

        There is so much hand wringing going on here about Santorum, Romney, and Gingrich – establishment statists to a man – but the guy who fits the bill isn’t even considered. Why try to decide which of them is less of an establishment statist? What would that get us really?

        What is the definition of insanity? Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Going with the establishment statsist hasn’t work and isn’t going to work. So try something different. What do you got to loose that you won’t loose with a establishment statist at the helm?

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      -no-text-

  • rams40

    Santorum’s record is one of going along with Republicans.
    Romney’s record is one of going along with liberals and Democrats.
    Now, pick one.

    It’s interesting that some conservatives on this site want to tear down the conservative credentials of every candidate but Mitt Romney. If you apply the same standard to Romney as you do to Santorum, I suggest Santorum wins.

    • bonnman

      and are rejecting the two man race narrative between Santorum and Romney. Although I do think a Newt nomination is a long shot and at this point Newt staying in the race only helps Romney win.

  • beeman56
    All Candidates support the Patriot Act, NDAA, SOPA, PIPPA, except Ron Paul. He has spoken against everone of these.

    Is the Patriot Act good for US?
    The Patriot act has done more damage to your tax base than any law in the past. There are Billionaires fleeing the USA for freedom from the tyranny that could come from this law.

    Now they have the NDAA to strike more fear in the rest that are left.

    We are losing approximately $150 billion annually from the tax base because of the billionaires leaving. We are facing increased spending a shrinking tax base it doesn’t look good.

    Santorum has no clue about how the economy works, he will spend us into Oblivion with big military spending.

    I thought we learned our lesson on trying to get more money out of billionaires in the past. Everyone will get out to protect themselves.

  • peter999

    How does he get suburban women and independents to vote for him? I am quite conservative but would have trouble voting for a guy that says birth control is the gateway to sin. Coming across as a conservative scold does not go over well with most people. See Sharon Angle for an example.

    Quote: “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country…. Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.” (Speaking with CaffeinatedThoughts.com, Oct. 18, 2011).

    • bonnman

      You could ask the same question about his position of the death penalty. The Catholic Church is very much against it and so I would imagine Santorum is as well but would he push for changes to the existing law? Probably not. Someone can have their own religious beliefs but not enact policy to support them.

      • mike90815

        Officially, the Catholic Church is against enhanced interrogation techniques, called by some, “torture,” but Santorum is for these techniques. Santorum follows the official line when it suits him to do so…he’s not as devout a Church follower in this regard.

      • traditionalvalues

        I think it would be very difficult for any candidate to get elected if he publicly stated that death penalty was against his personal faith.

        And yet there are more people who see a problem with the death penalty than with birth control. Most people will use birth control some times during their lifetime, and quite a lot of them may have a problem relating to a person who regards what they perceive as a quite ordinary practice as a sin.

  • sethellis

    I think a key hypothetical proof of this would be to ask what Santorum would have done if he was still in office for TARP. Sure he’s against it now, but he had the benefit of speaking about it in retrospect.

    I agree with Leon when he states that Santorum had been a follower. I have a hard time believing that he would have bucked the party line on TARP. He might have fine against it at first as many tepublicans did, but he would have eventually succumbed to the consensus. The only reason he is opposed to TARP now is because he wasn’t around to vote for it.

  • http://lukos.com Ed54

    This election will be won on economic issues, not social issues. We need to nominate someone with a clear advantage over Obama on the economy.

    • Finrod

  • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

    Santorum will never say something like this:

    Comparing Santorum to Romney and Gingrich on Cap and Trade

    “Let’s go to cap and trade. Governor Romney proudly announced that they were the first state, Massachusetts, to put a cap on CO2 emissions in the state of Massachusetts,” Santorum told more than 100 supporters here.

    Santorum also dinged Gingrich for filming a climate change ad with Nancy Pelosi, something Gingrich – as recently as yesterday – has admitted was a mistake. Both Gingrich and Santorum appeared at a Colorado energy conference on Monday.

    “Speaker Gingrich has supported cap and trade for more than a dozen years. Now, he wants business incentives to go along with cap and trade, but he supported cap and trade, and sat on the couch with Nancy Pelosi and said that global warming had to be addressed by Congress,” Santorum said. “Who is he or who’s Governor Romney to be able to go after President Obama? I’ve never supported even the hoax of global warming.”

    Romney and Gingrich, Santorum said, “bought into the science of man-made global warming, and they bought into the remedy, both of which are bogus.”

    • Leon H. Wolf

      http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2012/02/13/the-main-problem-with-santorum/#comment-16439

      This doesn’t really answer the question

    • Leon H. Wolf

      Does anyone have any evidence that Santorum opposed TARP when it was actually being discussed, instead of being opposed to it post hoc? Genuinely curious about this.

      • sethellis

        I’ve been looking all day, but I just can’t find it. If he said anything on the matter at the time it is not online. In fact I can’t find anything from him on any kind of economic issue. There’s plenty from him on religion and radical islam. Lots of stuff that I think would play poorly in the general.

        I think it is safe to say that it wasn’t a focus for him. Still, he was helping McCain at the time who supported TARP. I have a hard time believing that he didn’t at least comment on it.

        • sethellis

          BTW, this is the best I could find. Not much, and just about the same thing you’d heart from most Republicans at the time. Like I said, it certainly wasn’t his focus at the time.

          This from a man who also spent a long part of the visit explaining the intricacies of the financial bailout bill; the reason the added “sweeteners” could benefit the economy; his worries that not enough private sector money went into the package.

          Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/ 08293/921163-176.stm#ixzz1mIqBj2lR

          • Leon H. Wolf

            I can’t get the link to work… can you copy and paste or try the link again?

          • demsaresatanic

            record, that link tells the story if you wonder how Rick would have voted on Tarp;
            http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/09/what-a-big-government-conservative-looks-like-2/

          • sethellis

            http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08293/921163-176.stm

            I tried to find contact info for the writer, but apparently he left the paper a few weeks ago to work for Gov Corbett.

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          That would seem to suffice over statements. We elect congressmen to vote yea or nay on issues.

          • WillWong

            when they voted for TARP in 2008.

          • acat
          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            as TARP was being considered was a very short one.

  • WY_Cowboy

    Any objective analysis would lead one to believe that Rick Santorum has the more conservative record between himself and Romney. Rick may have supported ear marks and Medicare Part D, but Romney is the grandfather of Obamneycare. Romney not only supported the individual mandate, but he signed it into law. Romney’s objection to Obamacare is its price tag. That’s fine, but the cost – while staggering – is not the main flaw. The main flaw is that it violates the freedom of individuals to make decisions for themselves, families, and businesses. I would love to know why Romney fails to see the freedom issue in the individual mandate, and only recognizes the cost issue. Freedom trumps costs, period.

    Here’s the problem with Newt. Romney easily took him down. He did it without breaking a sweat. If Romney can do it in a primary, how successful do you think Obama will be in the general election? No need to answer. We all know. Nominating Newt is a guaranteed loss in the fall.

    • demsaresatanic

      The campaign is in the second quarter, don’t get carried away. Oromney has spent millions trying to take down his most dangerous foe, Newt, Newt keeps coming back, and will come back again. He is exactly the type of fighter we need against Obama.

  • http://www.writeinryan.com ragnarthepirate

    I don’t want another Bush. I want Paul Ryan – someone who will be an effective advocate for entitlement reform and hard budgeting choices. If I can’t have Paul Ryan, I wanted a gaffe-proof Rick Perry.

    We have to hold out hope for a brokered convention, but in the interim it makes sense to think strategically about those left in the field.

    I do not want another Bush, but I’ll take him over Obama. In fact, I miss him. Bush’s new entitlement programs and education spending was an embarrassment, but it pales in comparison to his 2008 TARP bailout. That was not just an issue of government largess, but an existential threat to free market capitalism.

    I’d prefer someone like Paul Ryan who actually understands economics, and has learned from his past TARP support, to resist the next fleecing attempt by wall street gypsies.

    I have no confidence that Romney, given the fact that Goldman Sachs is his biggest contributor, will resist another bailout. I don’t think that Newt’s record proves anything other than his unpredictability. So, by contrast, Santorum’s authentic skepticism of wall street boys will do just fine to resist the next wolf cry.

    Then there’s actually beating Obama. I want to beat Obama on issues rather than biography. Romney will be completely neutered on Obamacare and cap and trade. Newt will be weakened on those issues as well given his past sympathy to global warming, support of cap and trade, and support of a mandate as an alternative to HillaryCare.

    More importantly, Newt and Romney have high unfavorability. Newt has had a high unfavorability rating since the mid 90s. Voting for either of them is suicide.

    Most importantly, voting for Santorum now is most likely to produce a brokered convention. In that scenario, maybe we get someone, like Paul Ryan, that we really want.

  • jamesm

    Romney is not conservative. That’s right i said it!

    His record taken a whole it may have been wrong for conservatives to think as highly of him as they did. Santorum is a 1%er. He had probably a 1% chance of winning the nomination. That was before Perry was destroyed, Cain caned and Newt being savaged by Romney. Newt helps Santorum by taking bullets for team Not Romney. Romney has always been viewed as the front runner. When Perry, Cain or Gingrich were ahead in the polls he was still viewed as the front runner. Romney does not have the values of majority of Republicans. When the base finally settles on Santorum or Gingrich, Romney is done. That;s riight I said it.

  • jack0001

    I dont care who the nominee is. we had better all band together whether we be fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, independents, or libertarians, and vote OBOZO OUT OF OFFICE!
    THE DAMAGE THAT THIS SOCIALIST CAN DO WITH ANOTHER 4 YEARS WILL MOST LIKELY NEVER BE UNDONE!

    if elected again obozo will do the following:
    not repeal obozocare! we will be stuck with it.
    appoint liberal judges
    appoint judges like kagan and sotomayor to the SCOTUS
    spend trillions of dollars we dont have as he proposed today
    empower trade unions and public sector unions
    not approve the keystone pipeline
    mandate that religious organizations preform abortions
    play golf
    lie
    fund spurious green energy companies like he has proposed in budget
    send out more food stamps
    fund abortions in the US and Mexico
    bow to foreign leaders
    shake down oil companies after spills
    run the country like the Chicago mafia
    he will raise taxes
    the list is endless!

    • texasref

      and we will have plenty of time to focus on Obama after the convention. Let’s make sure we pick the right one. Someone whose last name does not begin with R.

  • WillWong

    Many of you Santorum supporters probably didn’t know it but back in 2008 when Gov Huckabee was running, Santorum came out in full support of Romney. Question you need to ask yourself is how can a Non Romney also be a Romney supporter? Chuck Norris asked the same question and here are some clips of his answer!
    —————————————————————————————————
    Just three years ago in his interview with radio host and conservative commentator Laura Ingraham, Santorum also emphatically told millions of listening Americans: ?If you?re a conservative, if you?re a Republican, there is only one place to go, and that?s Mitt Romney.?
    —————————————————————————————————
    Why an alleged conservative like Santorum would fight for the flip-flopping Massachusetts moderate on the presidential campaign trail, especially in light of the fact that Huckabee and even McCain were running then with a much clearer conservative record, I will never know.
    —————————————————————————————————-

    http://www.newt.org/news/chuck-norris-why-i-chose-gingrich-over-santorum

    • WillWong

      I will support the one that Santorum endorsed in 2008…Mitt Romney but until then all my money goes to Newt!

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      which would also be the same reason sites like Red State, and Rush also came to bat for Romney.

      At the time, Romney was the anti-McCain, now Santorum is going to be the anti-Romney, so it seems now anyways, but I really hope this does not mean in the end it will be Romney, and all we managed to do this election cycle is damage the nominee. The one thing that is different from Obama/Clinton run is the fact that the media had Obama’s back every step of the way, and we will not have that with our nominee.

      • WillWong

        if he had endorsed Gov Huckabee rather than Romney.

  • jon11

    WY_Cowboy wrote:

    “Here?s the problem with Newt. Romney easily took him down. He did it without breaking a sweat. If Romney can do it in a primary, how successful do you think Obama will be in the general election?”

    agree completely. It was surreal to listen to newt say ‘we need a candidate who can withstand the billion dollar obama smear machine in the fall’ and then romney spends a measly 3 million on him in iowa and he falls from 1st to 4th and later newt goes into florida with a 15 point lead and then loses by 15.

    Ragnarthepirate Wrote:

    “I don?t want another Bush. I want Paul Ryan ? someone who will be an effective advocate for entitlement reform and hard budgeting choices. If I can?t have Paul Ryan, I wanted a gaffe-proof Rick Perry.”

    I wouldn’t mind a paul ryan either but do you seriously think he’d have a chance with this crowd? I haven’t heard for sure but i’d bet the rent he’s for Romney. Romney praised the plan as soon as it was unveiled.

    Newt seems to be the favorite son here and Newt was the first to throw paul ryan under the bus when he released his plan, famously calling it ‘right wing social engineering.’

    Ryan responded to Newt’s charge by saying ‘with friends like that, who needs the left?’

    and ryan is moderate on social issues.

    Based on what i’ve seen (and granted im new here) paul ryan wouldn’t have a shot with the so called ‘conservative’ movement.

    (neither would Reagan based on his record but thats another debate)

    and a ‘gaffe proof rick perry?’

    perry didn’t make gaffes…gaffes are mistakes…he just literally didn’t know what he was talking about.

    hes used to running in texas where all you have to do to win is threaten to seceed from the union. No need to learn the names of the agencies you want to eliminate in a race like that.

    different story on the big stage though.

  • rharrison

    Not been at redstate in a while…I finally came to grips with Perry being rejected (foolish Iowa, NH, SC). Some of you are really charged up over Newt. How can you not know that he’s completely unelectable. Santorum will have an uphill battle no doubt but Newt…Newt has no chance.

    After gnashing my teeth against Santorum (for his rise was the main cause of Perry’s fall) with time I’ve come to see that really, he’s the most conservative and electable of what remains. Truly amazing but here we are with Rick pulling ahead in MI anc tied nationally with Romney. If Newt pulls out, Rick is the nominee. Again, truly amazing. I’m good with it. Conservatives…you have no other options. The quicker you come to this realization the better.

    • aesthete

      It’s not like this race hasn’t been dynamic and fluid since the get-go.

    • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

      but Santorum has shown that he can take Romney in at least caucus states, and if polling is to be believed then Romney may be in for the first real challenge to his path to the nomination. I think it will be interesting to see what happen.

      To be honest, I will not be happy with any of the remaining candidates, but if Romney does not get the nomination, that will be at least one thing that will make this cycle not a total loss.

      • demsaresatanic

        the ability to fight back from the sort of smears that Obama will use, Santorum has not. You are comparing apples and oranges, Santorum has barely been shot at yet in this campaign, and he couldn’t stand up to it in his last campaign, he lost by 18 points.

  • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

    I agree, executive experience is important, but I am not sure trumps ideological stability. If that was the case, one could argue that Romney was better than everyone who was not a governor. Because he is just not somebody, I can put my faith in, not if I have a choice. Romney represents everything I really despise about the political landscape of the GOP. I tried to come around to Romney, but the more I thought about it the more I concluded that he was just a complete fraud in almost every aspect that I wanted to have a genuine nominee.

    Rick Santorum is by far not the one who I wanted to see win the nomination, but he is the only one I see with a path to taking Romney down, and that is important. Even Romney’s electability argument is starting to look silly because Santorum is running even with Romney against Obama. What this really shows us is that polls for the general election right now are really flawed. Santorum sure does not come with the kind of baggage that Romney does, and for the conservatives that support Newt, I understand, but it has already been proven repeatedly that he cannot run head to head with Romney. Newt would be the one I supported has he shown that ability to take Romney on, but this is seemingly becoming less and less likely as time goes by.

  • AceInTX

    I’ll take rick over any of them….followed by Paul….and only when he’s gone will I consider casting a vote for Romney in the primaries…

    I’m hoping to see Santorum spank Mitt in Michigan and maybe that will make Rove and the boys throw Romney over the side and bring forth a serious candidate….but if we’re stuck with a Santorum, Gingrich, Paul, Romany quad primary field….I’m for Santorum

    You simply can’t make a logical argument using the negatives you raise here to say Santorum is unacceptable and then say Romney is acceptable.

    Did Mitt buck the establishment as Massachusetts Governor? As far as I can remember…not only did he not buck the Republican establishment…he went a long way to appeasing the Democrat legislature as Mass. Governor

    So…is that the best you’ve got?

    • AceInTX

      .

  • evilbloggerlady

    http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/02/rick-santorum-bad-and-good.html

    I disagree Rick Santorum does not get the economy. He does. His statement about earmarks is wrong, but his statement on entitlement reform is correct. But he is not giving a clear vision of what he is going for on economic reform. I want to hear that from Santorum (and frankly Newt and Mitt too).

    But when I hear Santorum attacking libertarians and tea party members…it worries me. How can we win with a narrow social conservative position? That almost guarantees four more years of Obama.

    So Rick Santorum needs to broaden his appeal quickly or I do not see him getting the nomination. I would not want to see him on the ticket as a Vice President either. He would cause more harm than good.

  • evilbloggerlady
  • jaykali

    Rick was very proud to promote how consistent he is with socially conservative values and he should be but it’s hurting him now that he is getting looked at as a potentially republican nominee bc certain beliefs he have are outside the mainstream.

    It would be a shame if we get distracted so much by social issues that we lose the presidency which is more about spending, government intrusion and the economy. All independents need is for the media to insinuate that Rick would ban contraception, even tho that is a lie if ppl think he’s going to do crazy things like that, that could trump the economic issues which are far more important at this time in history.

    So even tho I agree to some extent with Leon’s analysis I think in people’s minds rick is a classic conservative who wants less spending and smaller govt while Romney is a moderate type who might get lured into more big govt ideas like Romneycare. Perception is reality.

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