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Lisa Murkowski: Another Cowardly and Faithless Establishment Moderate

Conservative Patrick Hughes lost to establishment moderate Mark Kirk in the primary for the Illinois Senate seat vacated by Barack Obama.  Hughes is not running as a third-party candidate.  Conservative Chuck Devore lost to moderate establishment candidate Carly Fiorina in the California GOP Primary for Barbara Boxer’s seat; he did not then seek out a spot on the Libertarian or Constitution Party tickets.  When conservative Ovide Lamontagne lost a very close primary to establishment-favored Kelly Ayotte, he immediately and wholeheartedly endorsed Ayotte in a very classy concession speech. Same with Stutzman, and others; when conservatives lose a primary, they concede with class and endorse the moderate. Admittedly, some concessions are more enthusiastic and complete than others, but not a single conservative who lost a GOP primary this election season has run as a third-party candidate or Democrat.

On the other hand, when moderate/liberal Arlen Specter faced a primary challenge from conservative Pat Toomey that he was almost ceratin to lose, he promptly bolted the party and caucused with the Democrats. When it became clear that moderate Charlie Crist would lose to conservative Marco Rubio, he bolted the party and ran as an independent. When Bob Bennett was taken out by conservative Mike Lee, he openly waffled for a month on the possibility of running third-party, with the encouragement of Mitch McConnell. Most recently, moderate Lisa Murkowski was defeated in the GOP primary by upstart conservative Joe Miller. First, Murkowski shamelessly begged for the Libertarian Party to give her a spot on the ticket, although she is perhaps the least libertarian member of the entire caucus. Then, she vacillated for weeks as to whether she would run as a Democrat. Now, apparently, her decision has been made, as Lisa Murkowski becomes the latest in a long line of moderate establishment sore losers to buck the will of the voters and run on a non-GOP ticket. There is absolutely no way Murkowski can win without even being on the ballot in November, and Lisa Murkowski knows it. Make no mistake: this is a naked attempt to aid Democrat Scott McAdams in order to prevent Joe Miller from winning the election.

This should raze and salt the earth of whatever future political career Lisa Murkowski might have had. Republicans who don’t respect primaries don’t deserve to be appointed dogcatcher, much less earn the votes of Republican voters.  And memo to Democrats who might otherwise think of taking her in after this election is over; if she bailed on us, she will do it to you.  With this boneheaded and petty move, Lisa Murkowski has made it clear that she believes in nothing other than the fact that it’s very important for her to be in the Senate at all costs, and she will align herself with whoever is best suited to accomplishing that; loyalty and principles be damned.

Moderates are always asking the stupid question of what Conservative X will do to court moderate Republican supporters of Moderate X who just lost in the GOP primary. No one asked Carly Fiorina what her plan was to court Chuck Devore voters. No one asked Mark Kirk what his plan was to court Hughes voters. Kelly Ayotte isn’t being asked today dozens of questions about reaching out to Lamontagne supporters.  That is because it is understood that conservatives are people of principles and loyalty, and who aren’t so petty as to actively help Democrats win just because hard feelings generated by aggressive politics. Yet almost immediately after Miller’s win over Murkowski, he was fielding question after question about how he was going to bring Murkowski supporters into the fold.

We have now seen, time after time, that moderate candidates are all too willing to act like spineless, faithless entitled wimps when elections don’t go their way. It’s time for moderate voters to man up and send a message that these tactics will not be tolerated; otherwise we can just accept the reality of a permanent Democrat supermajority in both houses of Congress and perennial Democrat occupation of the White House. If supporters of Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, et al are comfortable with that result more than with the possibility that some conservatives will win primaries, they ought to have the common decency to abandon the term “moderate” for liberal, and the honesty to register as Democrats and vote in Democrat primaries.

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  • Tbone

    Those two scum buckets can’t do jack s*** right. Kick the witches from Maine off their committee assignments as well and tell them no more Republican $$$s.

    It is time to purge the Party of DEMOCRATS!

    • JSobieski

      The American Revolution was fundamentally different from the French Revolution in some very important ways.

      • Tbone

        staff they will never work for a Republican again if they don’t quit now.

        • DavidS1787

          that if she were to win, she would not be caucusing with the Republican !

          • constitutionalconservative

            We’re better off with a Dem than an unprincipled RINO

        • JSobieski

          I don’t think now is the best time to start more discension.

          Starting fights with people we can’t replace this year is poor strategy. It may make you feel good, but it doesn’t accomplish any objectives.

          Murkowski is a different story. She needs to be stripped of all her party seniority, etc. But even there, I would suggest that giving her space to back out of all this is a good idea.

          Her course of action is irrational.

          • DavidS1787

            Sometimes the handwriting needs to be put clearly on the wall to Murkowski if she should win. Banning her from the Republican Senate caucus would be sending her a clear message. Don’t run! But if you decide to run and win this is a consequence for your actions.

          • JSobieski

            Tbone said “Kick the witches from Maine off their committee assignments as well and tell them no more Republican $$$s.”

            That’s all I am disagreeing with.

          • Tbone

            They have well earned their mops and buckets.

          • DavidS1787

            I was writing to agree with you that the Senate leadership should give Murkowski some time to think about the consequences for running. Especially if she wins.

          • JSobieski

            that my mind filtered out your nuanced logic which I do agree with.

            On the one hand we have the encourage Murkowski to walk this back. On the other hand, we have the “lets burn the Maine sisters”.

            Robspierre anyone?

          • DavidS1787

            I should have made my point more clearly.

          • davesinsanantonio

            it should be given in private so that she can bow out without losing face. Demanding in public that someone deface themselves is pushing a wounded animal into a corner, and the only result will be that they fight back–even to the death. That just wounds, sometimes fatally, the aggressor who pushed them into the corner. We don’t have to be stupid, just because we are angry.

          • soljerblue

            Whatever ultimatum is pitched to Murkowski, it should be private. Then it’s her decision whather to go public and fight, or back out gracefully. Otherwise, we’re acting like what we despise. The threat doesn’t have to be public to be effective.

          • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

            Unreliable moderates in Congress are far from extinction.

            There is still much work to be done. Snowe and Collins will get theirs in 2012 and 2014, respectively, we can hope.

            I’m waiting for someone to tell us Tea Party primary wins are a “recruting tool” for jihadist establishment Republicans.

          • pty12300

            I am still trying to figure out how the media and this post describes these RINO Democrats as Moderates. Call them what they are “Liberals” “Progressives”, but not Moderate Republicans. Republicans, if they want their party back, are Conservative and ultra Conservative.

            So even if these RINOS are registered as Republican, they are Liberals, plain and simple.

          • vwoolf

            Agreed! Mark Kirk is one of those liberal progressives describing himself as a “moderate” The only true conservative running for the Senate in Illinois is MIKE LABNO.

          • gekster

            If we don’t adhear to principle, what do we adhear to?

      • edwlstr

        If you meant the foundation (fundamental) was different. The US was built on the belief that God gives man his rights and as such the recipients should adopt the scriptural definition of right and wrong. The French on Rationalism rampant in Europe at that time that presupposes that man with his rational mind could discern right and wrong on his own. This, however, has nothing to do with purging the filth ( liberalism) from our conservative ranks. We cannot go to war with a Murkowski “at our back”.

    • vwoolf

      One that definitely needs purging is Mark Kirk from Illinois. An F with the NRA, a 100% endorsement from NARAL (and he voted no to ban partial birth aboriton) and a YES vote for Cap and Trade. That is a liberal by any definition. MIKE LABNO is the only true conservative running. Check it out for yourself!

    • 2warabnvet

      Lisa Murkowski is the typical PWOP (Politician Without Principles) who is concerned only with her own power. There is no concern for her party or the welfare of the voters, only for the good of Lisa Murkowski .

    • searic

      While I never have been one who cottons to conspiracy theories, this MurCOWski person now joins–as the RedState column points out–doing the same thing Judas Crist and some other statist Republican primary losers are doing, which seems designed not for the turncoats to be elected but to throw the election to the lefty Democrats. (Both parties have cooperated to make practically impossible the successful launching of a serious third party by their corruption of the election laws.)

      So what’s goin’ on here? Is there some kind of unholy agreement between these Republican leftists and the leftists who utterly rule the Democrat Party to do whatever is necessary to prevent conservatives from altering the direction Obobo and the rest of the let’s-transform-America-into-a-European-soicalist-state crowd? And are the multinational corporations and other business big boys in on it, too?

      Never before in my life (now in its seventh decade) have I given serious thought to the possible need for another American revolution as I have now begun to. God forbid that genuine Americans are driven to that

  • crosley

    If Murkowsi were smart (she’s not), she would look like a class act, endorse Joe Miller, and then try to knock off Democrat Senator Begich in a few years. I don’t want her back in the Senate, but she would have an excellent shot.

    This move means she will no longer be welcome in the Republican Party and will be permanently shut out from politics in Alaska. She has absolutely no chance to win with a write-in campaign, and I really don’t even see her having enough clout to even throw the election to the Democrat. (I believe that’s her main intention)

    However, if her name were actually on the ballot, even if it was with a ridiculous 3rd party, then it could be enough of a spoiler to put the Democrat over the top She still has ZERO chance of actually winning.

    I agree that the Republican leadership really needs to make examples of figures that pull these stunts.

    • redcometchar2010

      You are right. If Murkowski had any class (she doesn’t) she would have endorsed Joe Miller and work for the nomination to try to knock of Begich in 2014. The fact she is doing this just shows that people on both sides of the aisle in Washington believe they are entitled to their positions. She should immediately be booted from her leadership position. If McConnell wants to appease the base he should push for someone like Thune to take her place.

    • davesinsanantonio

      insure that the candidate they refuse to endorse wins big time. That will take money and other support. If every sore lose who refuses to play by the rules is thus publicly humiliated so, that will deter most of the rest of them. Then, if down the road, they are never again given a chance at public office, then that will probably deter the rest of them. I say probably only because there are some egos so large that they cannot reason themselves into any semblance of normal behavior. But, let us stop supporting such people for public office. No good can come of it.

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

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  • Finrod

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    • IJB

      …That Lisa M. was only floating this Write-In talk to scare off those evol AK Democrats. She was just lookin’ out for all of us, he said.

      But, in turns out, the Murkowski faction of the AK GOP is far more concerned about trying to maintain their ‘good ol’ boy’ hegemony in AK and taking out EVOL Joe Miller and those EVOL Palins, and the GOP be damned!!

      Color me *NOT* surprised.

      The best part about this is:

      1) Joe Miller will still likely win.

      2) Murkowski, and probably the entire Murkowski faction, is likely *finished* in AK.

      In case anyone was wondering, this development, and what’s happened in DE, is what the forced evolution of the GOP looks like – there will be some painful bumps along the way, but we’ll all be better off for it in a few short years.

      • cordpt

        Sore losers going for 3rd party/write-in candidacies or politicians switching parties will never cease to exist. As well as some heterogeneity within the parties, that’s inevitable when you have a 2-party system in such a large and diverse country like America.

        Unlike so many of you seem to think, there’s no ideology on this. There were lots of conservatives running as 3rd party candidates in the past, including in presidential elections. Heck, Doug Hoffman is going to run as a 3rd party candidate it seems and O’Donnell herself ran as a write-in candidate just 4 years ago.

        Establishment, ideologically moderate politicians – from both parties – like Lieberman and Crist tend to do it more because they usually have the name ID, the money, the connections and the ability to draw votes from both sides and compete for the middle (or at least try it) that an insurgent candidate who failed to win the primary by outrunning someone to the right/left obviously lacks.

        • JSobieski

          Think of it this way, if someone like Rubio couldn’t win the R primary, how would adding center-left voters improve his chances? It wouldn’t.

          Crist did improve his changes by going independent, he also confirmed he had absolutely no principles in doing so. If Murkowski goes through with this, she is pretty much hosing her future political career as well, which is why I predict that ultimately she will back down.

          • cordpt

            I reckon that in the last paragraph. It’s only about tactics though, not because the virus of treason affects centrists disproportionately more. Centrists are the ones whose the spectrum of appeal widens when going from a primary to the general election. Same reason most politicians run to the center after the primary.

            I agree about Murkowski. I may be awfully wrong, but I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect her to have a chance to win (on a write-in candidacy) and I can’t see how this helps her political future. She’s not behaving as a politician, she’s being suicidal. Allowing her passions to cloud her judgement?

          • davesinsanantonio

            is higher than either wing.
            What we have to do is skew the curve toward the Constitution, free market economics, and personal liberty. The curve for the American people is already skewed that direction. The problem for our side is that most of the candidates, for both parties, have tended to be skewed toward bigger government. As concerned citizens we have to be more diligent and more forward about our principles, and more demanding of our candidates. If we espouse correct principles, and put forward better candidates, the majority of the people will vote for them.

      • Achance

        You don’t have a clue about what is going on here.

        • IJB

          Because, these days? You’re basically just going into people’s proverbial ‘killfiles’ – nobody can hear you over your own noise.

          But I’ll be sure to light a candle for the poor lost good ol’ boys of AK tonight…

          • DavidS1787

            and cool down the insulters.

          • Achance

            sometimes. We’ll see how this all looks on 3 Nov.

          • IJB
    • JadedByPolitics

      beat the crap out of Achance because I am quite sure in his heart of hearts he believed this beyotch would do the right thing. He may be old and bitter (just messing with you Achance) but he like the rest of us when WE truly believe in someone who is a politician will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS have our hearts ripped out of our chests!

      WE MUST be ever vigilant and NEVER go back to being apathetic, these slimy pos’s will be waiting for us to relax again. This will be a multi-election process for WE The People but it is as it must be.

      • powertothepeople

        calling anyone who said she was not concerned with what was best for the state and would do anything to keep in the race fools, jackasses, etc is another.

        Then we were informed in a round about way that he was all that is Alaska, had the ear of Lisa, knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that she loved her state too much to do this, and we were all stupid a**holes who were fools who needed to shut the F up.

        And all this because he believes we are not conservative if we have not held public office, which he would be wrong here, albeit not a very significant office, and if we have not been on this site for as long as he has, (as if this is the only site and the only way to be conservative.) that we could not possibly have any knowledge or real opinions if we are not in Alaska or if we are not politicians ourselves, etc.

        We stated an opinion on what we thought she would do based on her present actions, he responded to us in a vile manner stating opinions as if they were facts. He was dead wrong and none of this would have boiled over had he not taken our opinions to heart as if she is his mom and we were attacking him and his state and would have started his posts with “I believe she……..”

      • AceInTX
  • http://www.downstateiladvocate.com anacreon

    and he as a conservative had backed Mark Kirk very early on after the primary. Hughes is a good man who holds our principles, and he knew how to bow out gracefully. Shame others do not.

    • congressworksforus

      … that Hughes would have pummeled Kirk in the primary if it had been held in September. Heck, he’d probably have pummeled him in a May primary. Kirk got away with it because Illinois holds its stupid primary in February. (Long enough, I guess, for things to “happen” to unliked candidates…)

      • http://www.downstateiladvocate.com anacreon

        why Hughes lost other than an early primary but I won’t go into them since the primary is over and the general is right around the bend. Hughes was a good candidate and I would have loved to have seen him win this November.

  • drfredc

    There’s an ongoing attempt to try to make the point that there seems to be no room in the tea party/conservative vision of the GOP for moderates.

    Get a clue folks, it’s the moderates who have little to no room for conservatives of any stripe. The GOP Senate is full of moderates with a bare bones group of conservatives. If a moderate wins a primary, good conservatives generally man up and support the winner in the general. Not so in reverse — when moderates lose, they’ll switch parties, go independent, bad mouth the winner, etc, etc.

    And yes, there are some lame loser brained social conservatives who don’t seem to get it that staying home isn’t an pure enough option for them to vote for in the general election to vote for. It’s this sort of silliness (whether it’s moderates or social conservatives) that begets liberal dominated Congresses and allows passing of Obamacare and taxpayer funding of abortions…

    Get over it folks — just because you can’t always have everything you want, don’t sit at home having a pity party while the real opposition take control.

    • merryj1

      I’ve been trying to make some of the same points for years, but I’m usually in a mouth-frothing rant and can’t get the words out straight (those are the rants when my kids elbow-nudge each other and say, “Just smile and nod”).

  • mkozikowski

    It’s because these social “Leaches” have absolutely no work ethic, and are terrified as to their existence when finally ripped from the social money teet.

  • aesthete

    Thank you, Frmr Senator Murowski, for making a relatively safe seat competitive for the Democrats, and for rending asunder whatever thin tatters of party unity in AK were left among Murowski and Palin supporters. (And yes Art, I realize that she didn’t necessarily start this vendetta, but she sure ended it in the worst way possible.)

    • Scope

      n/t

    • IJB

      Art can probably tell us more about the specifics, but aren’t Murkowski and McAdams from the same corner of AK geographically?

      If they are, they may cannibalize each others’ support, while allowing Miller to run up huge margins in his neck of the woods.

      I actually await local details on the specifics of this sort of thing…

      • aesthete

        that the Dem base of support in AK is comprised of some urban center, swathes of public employee groups, and very rural, AK Native-American areas, afterwhich they would eat into traditionally Republican groups through use of rhetoric. If Murowski is eating into the “competitive” group of Republicans that the Dems would otherwise have to persuade, while Miller is stuck with the hardcore SoCons and “the base”, it seems to me that the net effect is to make the seat more competitive for the Dems. However, you could be right. I’d like to see a post from Art logically showing how this is good for Republicans, but I don’t know if such a defense exists. At any rate, from the outside looking in, this move looks all sorts of sleazy and damaging for AK Republican prospects and unity going forward.

        • cordpt

          In a three way contest with Murkowski running as the Libertarian candidate Miller leads but with only 38% to 34% for Murkowski and 22% for McAdams. Democrats have been hopeful that Murkowski will run on the assumption she would split the Republican vote but her supporters actually go 47-23 for McAdams in a two way contest with Miller.

          Murkowski’s support is pretty evenly distributed across the board- she gets 38% of independents, 32% of Republicans, and 28% of Democrats. Miller gets 59% of the Republican vote and McAdams gets 57% of the Democratic vote.

          http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/08/alaska-senate-race.html

          Now a write-in campaign is completely different. Only her most ardent supporters will care enough to write her name and do it correctly. I still don’t see how that makes McAdams competitive enough to win though. Especially considering he seems a somewhat weak candidate, without much charisma and a poor mastery of policy issues. So, I suspect only voters who really dislike Miller and wouldn’t vote for him anyway + really like Murkowski will vote for her. It’d be a similar effect except her voting total will be much smaller.

          The only downside I see in this is if she uses her money on attack ads to tackle Miller. But I think the GOP has too much of a party ID advantage in Alaska and a large enough loyal base for Miller to lose this. I don’t really see Miller getting less of 45% of the vote and that should be enough to win.

          I have no idea why is she committing politic suicide like this. She could have taken a break and try to take out Begich in 2014. Is she just being reactionary and over-emotional? Or is she delusional to the point she really believes she can win with a write-in campaign? Is she done with politics and just wants to have some fun? No idea what to do of this.

          • IJB

            The salient point from this article is:

            And researchers at the University of Minnesota reported recently that there have been eight write-in campaigns for statewide office in Alaska since 1958, when the state elected its first two Senators. The most support a candidate ever received was 27 percent in the 1978 gubernatorial election.

            If Murk, can’t break about 25%, my guess is that she’ll be a total non-factor in this race, allowing Miller to win with 40-50% of the total vote…

  • itsjoanne

    n/t

    • davesinsanantonio

      interrupt the flow way down here.

  • libertius

    Well done Lexington! All you observe clearly shows not only the arrogance of many of the establishment Republicans but also offers an insight into their character.

    These classless individuals aren’t needed in any party, much less the new conservative movement that, hopefully, will more closely the exhibit the virtue of our Founders.

    Professional politicians take their job real seriously…retaining power and advancing up their perverse food chain. When the objective they’ve been striving for for decades eludes them their true colors show.

    Good riddance!

  • http://www.marklaiminger.org Lammo

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  • mark1957

    Ticket, even though he just lost to Carl Paladino by a huge margin? Won’t this pull votes away from Paladino?

    • IJB
    • cwilson

      You can have the same candidate running on multiple Parties’ lines. Lazio won the Conservative Party primary fair and square, but lost the Republican one. I don’t know what usually happens in those cases…but one of his two parties picked him to appear on the ballot.

  • ericc

    But not surprising.

  • Achance

    are going to need the money, work, and votes of the people you’re having so much fun calling names. You’re going to have a hard time getting them.

    • IJB

      Crist and Murkowski walked away from us, not the other way around.

      So, no – we don’t need people like that.

      • Achance
        • Jack_Savage

          What do you want?

          Or put more specifically, what do “ya’ll” – assuming you are one of the people we are calling names – want?

          I am not trying to be a smarta$$ here, but do you lump yourself in with Crist, et al, or is it just Murkowski, or what?

          I am trying to understand. If I were Miller, or O’Donnell, or whomever, what would you have me do?

          • Achance

            at the Lisa Kickoff event downtown where a lot of my friends will be.

            I don’t see what has happened here the same way I see Crist or even O’Donnell. There’s been a war going on here between Sarah Palin and everybody else over control of the Republican Party. Well, control isn’t really the right word; she wants to destroy it, she’s not much on running stuff.

            Most of the people I talk to don’t consider backing a Murkowski write-in as bolting the Republican Party, they see it as rejecting the Palin Party. I’ve never been reticient about how much I despise that self-serving fraud, Sarah Palin. So, what is going on here is a lot of people really think that Sarah and her Tea Party Express buddies hijacked the Republican Primary after having failed twice to be able to get control of the party through Party processes.

            And this ain’t Noo Yawk where the Republican Party is a social club. We took control of Alaska in 1980 and made what had been the most Democrat state in the Nation into the most Republcan. We’re not failures; we control the Legislature, we have had the Governorship for the last eight years and only ceded it to the Democrats in the mid-90s by a fluke set of circumstances.

            This is all about Sarah Palin’s personal vendetta against the Republican Party of Alaska and a lot of Alaska Republicans really don’t want to support the Palin Party.

          • aesthete

            to favor Mat-Su (which if I recall, is Palin’s stronghold), what purpose does a radically revanchist movement serve? Even if Murowski et al succeed at accomplishing something in the short-term to favor them, wouldn’t it be self-defeating? Maybe I’m seeing it all wrong, but a declining minority group going against the dominant and growing strain in the state party seems all sorts of self-defeating. It makes more sense to kiss the ring, in action if not in spirit, and to work at getting back into dominance through other means. In short, this action on the part of Murowski and co doesn’t seem rational. I’ll be interested in seeing your posts and diaries on the subject, though.

          • Leon H. Wolf

            You don’t feel remorse disregarding the vote of a lawfully contested primary because you REALLY, REALLY wanted the other side to win, for lots of reasons? Well, why didn’t you say so? How silly of us to not understand your predicament.

          • Achance

            I said I encouraged her to walk away. The answer to the rest isn’t nearly as easy as the “true consevatives” who’ve never done anything but maintained their purity think it is.

          • america1st

            you did not say anything about encouraging the incumbent to walk away in this diary entry. You may well have done so elsewhere, but that information is not contained in your comments here.

            With that qualification, thank you for your effort. It is vital we row in the same direction this year. Only one candidate to whom I gave my vote in NH won the primary, but I still will work to elect those whom I previously opposed.

          • Christine (Trelaina)

            …because the winner was endorsed by Sarah (oh I hate her so much) Palin.

            That is the whole story here. Seems to me this group of “true Alaska GOPs” would back Barack Obama for Alaska senate if it meant spitting in Palin’s eye.

          • JadedByPolitics

            this LAME excuse you give is so damn pathetic. Just so you know the seat belongs to the people NOT to you or the damn Murkowski’s and the minute those of you who live off of the government teat get that the sooner this Country can get back to its roots! SHAMEFUL! just disgustingly SHAMEFUL!

          • Achance

            in this decision. Miller had no mandate. You “true consevatives” are going to hand this Country back to the Democrats. You might as well just sign up with Organizing for America.

          • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

            When we had the numbers, but not the principles.

            How that that work out?

          • Vegas_Rick
          • streiff

            except Jim McGreevey.

            But in our system 1 vote gives you a win and the right to expect the support of your opponent if it is a primary election.

            It isn’t “true conservatives” giving the country back to the Democrats, it is people like Murkowski.

          • IJB
          • JadedByPolitics

            do not come here and tell everyone you are going to Murkowski’s “party” and then act like what she is doing is NOT a betrayal. She said she would honor the vote when she thought she would win and she is a LIAR! she is no better then Kay Bailey Hutchinson. BTW you bitter, disgusting old man, WE Conservatives will turn this Country back and grab the purse strings back from the Political Classes who depend on the government for their paycheck like you.

            BTW you are the fool and an old one at that! you and she are TRAITORS to the cause of Conservatism and you really ought to just go away because Redstate is Conservative in the primary and Republican in the general and the beyotch is NEITHER! and your supporting her by attending her party is all the Directors need to know about where your loyalties are and they are NOT with the Country but with your pocket and ego.

            I will say it again you Art Chance and your sloppy, RINO are TRAITORS to this Country!

          • Achance

            People like me will win because we’re not stupid and emotional.

          • IJB
          • JadedByPolitics

            because I am loyal to this Country first and politicians and paycheck after God but you and Murkowski are loyal to a paycheck first and the Country be damned. We are talking about the Country here NOT AK and a bitch who wants to continue with her power this is bigger then her and you and me and this election cycle and the next are the only shot WE have to get this right and you whining, pathetic, anuses in AK, FL, DE, PA who all just believe it belongs to them. You words are an embarrassment your excuses are like a little girls who has been caught telling a lie.

            The beauty of 2010 is the PEOPLE are on to the ruling class and they will go down even in a three way race, so put on your big boy pants because you and Lisa are about to have one hell of a NASTY general election!

          • Achance
          • JadedByPolitics

          • AceInTX

            and you have the unmitigated gall to accuse us of being ruled by emotion?

            Palin is evil…she’d a threat to the Party in Alaska….it’s OK for you to believe that…I do about McCain….but when it was time to choose between McCain and Obama…I did the right thin…

            Lisa didn’t….

            Will you?

          • Achance

            go find some gay guy in the Main Street group and beat him up. But don’t think, you don’t do it well.

          • AceInTX

            again I ask you…who is being ruled by his emotions here?

          • AceInTX

            yet here you are…defending a third party run by a traitor who would hand this seat over to the Democrat rather than see a political rival in the Republican Party take it…This is about Ego and personalities and it’s despicable….Everything you have accused what you call purists of being and doing is being done here by Murkowski….

            We’ve had our exchanges because we’re sometimes on opposite sides of things Art…and I’ve respected you for who you are and for your battle scars because you’ve been in the arena…

            But the last couple weeks have destroyed that respect…

          • AceInTX

            Miller won…Lisa didn’t…you guys want to fight the internecine fight to stop the Palin people up there…do it next primary season….

            This AIN’T the time for it!

            Support the Nominee!

          • rsexteriors

            Electing Murkowski against would be handing it back to the democrats since she runs on the repulican tickets and then votes with the democrats

            And don’t give me the crap about how she votes half of the time with Republicans. First of all it is a lie and second of all the times she does vote with the Republicans are on bills like naming roads and post offices and stuff like that. On the IMPORTANT issues she’s a solid democrat.

          • Brian Darling

            Is this merely a spite filled campaign to make sure that Miller loses? Sure seems like it.
            If so, would you feel good if a member of the Republican Leadership in the Senate (Murkowski) denied Republicans the Majority in the Senate? It is possible that the Alaska seat might be the one that decides controll of the Senate. How would you feel if Murkowski’s campaign to destroy Miller caused the Democrats to retain control of the Senate?
            This is another interesting take on the Murkowski situation over at Big Government -http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2010/09/17/senator-lisa-murkowski-sore-loser/

          • streiff

            in a coment, Art.

            Your guys lost. Either support the winner or register as a Democrat. Don’t insult our intelligence with this nonsense. It’s unmanly.

          • Tbone

            Once you accept that, his being obnoxious is understandable but hardly bearable. However, it has now caused him to refute the Republican Party. As such, his contribution to RedState.com becomes problematical.

          • Jack_Savage

            I don’t know the ins and outs of things like you do. I know you don’t care, but you are on your way to one of many events in a drama that the rest of the GOP and the rest of the country view as worse than a bunch of sixth grade girls at lunchtime.

            If this were going on in the Democrat Party I would be absolutely overjoyed, and it makes me completely sick with worry that the GOP will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again.

            Perhaps the situation in Alaska is as you describe, but the person you hate has been busting her ass across this country trying to get conservatives elected and will no doubt be busting it to get Republicans elected now that the primaries are over. I also do not have to worry about her switching sides or running as an independent. I think that speaks well for her, and I hate to say that even if there was some personal vendetta it appears that she was exactly right about Murkowski all along.

            I have been trying to understand, as I pointed out above, what it is that everyone involved in these situations across the country want. It certainly doesn’t have to do with the good of the country, because nothing that is going on with these little dramas will benefit anyone but the Democrats who have run this country in a ditch. It’s like losing a close game fair and square, then dredging up some unethical technicality to put the game into overtime.

            I think they want their power back. Plain and simple. And if they can’t have it, no one can. This is the same situation Solomon found himself in when confronted with the two women and the baby. Moderates are pleased to cut the baby in half, it seems.

            At one time I held out the hope that Republicans of all stripes were different than Democrats, and maybe someday we will be, but as of right now we aren’t. Maybe this painful process is what it takes. Or maybe we are hanging on so bitterly to hurt feelings and a resume’ that needs to be updated that we can’t understand who the real enemy is.

            This is really too much for me. I’ll concentrate on NC-04, an utterly lost cause, and run over Perrielo signs when I travel up Route 29 in Virginia.

            You get the last word Art, and best of luck. This has brought on my desire for a little sabbatical until the smoke clears after the election.

          • Vegas_Rick

            Very well said, sir.

          • aesthete
          • Achance

            Didn’t want this to happen. Tried to discourage her. Thought I and others had been successful. Whatever happened yesterday in DC incensed her. She changed her mind and took the first plane back to Alaska. She was calling people at 0 dark thirty from Minneapolis to tallk to them about supporting a write-in. (Northworst/Delta goes through Minneapolis enroute Seattle or sometimes direct to Anchorage to get from DC to ANC.)

            Anyway, there’s nothing in it for me either way other than being right. I ain’t gonna get a earmark from Joe Miller or Lisa Murkowski. Nobody associated with St. Sarah would pee on my head if my brain was on fire nor would I do so for any of them. Sarah has accomplished one thing in Alaska; she has destroyed the Republican Party of Alaska. Hope y’all are proud of her.

          • AceInTX

            Nobody associated with St. Sarah would pee on my head if my brain was on fire nor would I do so for any of them. Sarah has accomplished one thing in Alaska; she has destroyed the Republican Party of Alaska. Hope y

          • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

            Lisa Murkowski may wish otherwise. She may believe otherwise. Her advisors may advise otherwise. Nonetheless, she is not bigger than the Republican Party of Alaska. It sounds like somebody was gossiping in DC and she got her panties in a wad. Murkowski needs to think again about whose team she is on and finish the season as part of that team, rather than demanding the team split in half to suit her.

          • eburke

            for you and your respect for your knowledge of AK politics.

            But I’m sorry, there is just no excusing this. It doesn’t matter who won by how much, it doesn’t matter who did or didn’t hijack anyone’s party. The bottom line is that Lisa Murkowski ran in the Republican primary. She lost to another Republican in the Republican primary. There hasn’t been a single reason to dispute the validity of that vote.

            She ran in the system and when she didn’t like the result, she refused to abide by the same system from which she willingly received benefits in the past. It’s that simple.

            As far as I’m concerned, the moderates and establishment elites hijacked *my* party a long time ago. A bunch of people who weren’t even Republicans chose *my* Presidential candidate and left me having to find the world’s biggest clothespin to go vote for a guy a vowed I would *never* vote for or support.

            And you’d have to have not paid any attention at all to the DE Senate race to know that I can’t stand Mike Castle but I would have absolutely excoriated O’Donnell if she would’ve lost and then not supported and endorsed him, even after the DE GOP conducted a scorced earth policy against her on his behalf.

            The bottom line is the Republican Party was good enuf for Lisa when she was taking it’s money and using its name and apparatus to attain political office. If she wasn’t willing to abide by the results of it’s voters in a Primary, then she shouldn’t have run in it. Nothing. Else. Matters. For her or anyone else who submits themselves to the will of the people voting in a primary in which he/she is running.

            Bottom line, there *are* no extenuating circumstance, short of provable fraud, in which what Lisa did tonight is acceptable.

          • aesthete

            The AK Republican Party shouldn’t be the Palins’ plaything, that much is true. By that same token, it is not the Murowski Party, and shouldn’t be treated as such. Political dynasties rise and fall, and there’s no excuse for someone who takes their ball and goes home. I’m glad that Art is a loyal Republican; I simply wish that Murowski could have followed his lead.

          • america1st

          • AceInTX

          • JSobieski

            at all the references to Murkowski being a “liberal” and felt she had been smeared. This was then amplified by the allegations of vote stealing and fraud which were quick to appear based primarily on smoke and fury. He advised that the us vs. them divide was unwise, similarly to pissing in a well you might want to drink out of.

            No offense (and I am a Miller supporter), there was not a lot of graciousness in victory here . . or apparently in AK.

            Murkowski was no RINO, she was just lose with the purse strings. I am personally hopeful that this can be walked back before November 3rd. She was definitely an establishment Republican but I suspect that her ACU rating put here squarely in the middle of the Republican caucus.

            Until people actually start filling in ballots, her decision can be walked back.

          • IJB

            That puts her on par with Lugar and Alexander, with only the ME twins having a lower rating. (For comparison, Voinovich of OH scores a 71; Graham of SC actually rates an 88; in the House, Kirk of IL scores a 72.)

            So, no, her ACU rating does *not* put her in the “middle” of the caucus, but definitely on the leftward side of it.

          • Sirithil
          • rsexteriors

            it was on bills naming bridges, post offices, ect. Stuff that was not important to the Country or to Conservatives. She was always there when the Democrats Needed her and she always oblidged by voting against the Republican platform

    • streiff

      we don’t need the help of people with so little integrity that they can’t accept the fact that they lost an election. What Murkowski has shown is that her value set in no deeper than she has some kind of genetic right to be a senator. One hopes her supporters are now wising up to the type of person they voted for. Your post makes be believe that hope is misplaced.

      • Achance

        not down at one of Juneau’s tonier watering holes where the kickoff thing is taking place. And I’m sitting here arguing with people who can’t read, can’t think, and whose only real skill seems to be jumping to conclusions and seeing things totally in black and white.

        There ain’t much that is black and white about this and most of the people who think it is simple think it is simple because they simply don’t know enough.

        • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

          in her quest to take down the Tea Party and any Republican who sides with it.

        • streiff

          Just pure BS.

          You’re trying to color the actions of a bunch of sore losers as a noble act. It isn’t. Parties have factions. Someone has to lose. Adults accept that and move on. Whiny little girls don’t. Be an adult, Art.

          • Achance

            Lisa Murkowski. She doesn’t deserve it and she sure doesn’t deserve it froma bunch of people who don’t know f*(k all about Alaska.

            So, I’ll explain it even thought most of the real loudmouths can’t understand anything that requires more than two syllable words.

          • AceInTX

            saying she doesn’t deserve it over and over while clicking the heels of your ruby slippers doesn’t change that simple fact.

          • Just_Saying

            I am a life-long Alaskan, Art, much older than you. I changed my party designation from GOP to No Party back in the days when it wasn’t cool. It’s one thing to give your “take” on things Alaskan, and you certainly have more current knowledge of the GOParty than I do, but try to tone it down. Your obnoxious insults don’t make you sound any more intelligent or knowledgeable — just less polite. Get over yourself, please!
            .

        • aesthete

          we can’t see it in black and white, that we’re seeing it too literally, etc. I ask seriously, what do you mean by that? I’m perfectly willing to accept that my reading comprehension might not be up to par, or that my synapses could use an oil change, but for the life of me, I cannot see how bolting the party and running a write-in candidacy does anything to advance conservative goals (“true” or otherwise) on a practical level. As you yourself note, the net effect of this would likely be to elect a Democrat to the seat. This move makes reconciliation with (for lack of a better term) the Palin people impossible, and they seem to be the dominant and growing strain in the state party. This can’t even be considered an idiotic “sending a message” to the powers that be thing that “true conservatives” like so much. This move towards a third-party run seems trite and silly, and since apparently all of us have lost our reading comprehension skills, could you lay out plainly what advantages you perceive in such a move?

          • AceInTX

            We purists are to blame for not doing what our overlords tell us what to do….We have no right to vote our values and beliefs and expecting our representatives to represent us is a simplistic concept that our betters have evolved beyond…

            you see…we’re just primitive…unsophisticated dolts who’ve never been elected to anything and our roll is to shut up and get in line when told to do so….and NEVER…..EVER…vote for a conservative!

          • aesthete

            I’m on your side here, and quite irked that Murowski is engaging in the political equivalent of a suicide bombing. I’m giving Art the benefit of the doubt in asking so circumspectly, but trust me, I’m not happy about this turn of events. Whatever her merits or demerits in the past, Murowski should be dead to the national Republican party from here on out.

          • aesthete

            I read you wrong, apologies.

          • AceInTX

          • AceInTX

            I’m putting words in the establishment’s mouths in other words

    • Darin_H

      That’s a two way street, and I can’t say I blame anyone for not backing a moderate anymore. Are there exceptions to this? Of course, but both sides have to play by the same rules. Lose the primary, support the winner. Sure it was close, but just as in sports, losing by one point or being blown out doesn’t matter, it’s still a loss.

    • AceInTX

      only to pee down our legs while telling us it was raining…yet we’ve been the good soldiers….For all my squacking and complaining about McAin in 2008 I walked the plank for the old POS because it was the right thing to do and to not vote for him was like voting for Obama…

      Well…Lisa is casting a vote for the Democrat with this move…only her vote FOR the Democrat is multiplied since every one who votes for you sorry AXX is voting for the Democrat…

      for all the preaching…brow beating….nasty insults conservatives have endured for the last couple years about how disloyal we are…and how staying home is a vote fore the Democrat…this proves they hypocrisy and empty blather for what it is…

      You sound like I did just two short years ago

      so how do my shoes fit on your feet?

      • Achance

        You’ll see bumper stickers all over Alaska that say, “We don’t give a damn how they do it Outside.”

        This is about “That Woman” and her personal vendettas and self-aggrandizement. As Lisa said tonight, she’s the Alaska woman who won’t quit.

        • AceInTX

          She LOST….I don’t care about the infighting in ALASKA

          Continue the fight next primary….but for now it’s time to beat the Democrat.

          Lisa is helping the Democrat with this move…and your squables up there makes it less likely we can take control….

          now who’s being ruled by their emotions?

          • AceInTX

            This is about

          • Zaber

            I dont care how “different” Alaska is, or how none of us understand the supposed peculiarities of the state.

            Murkowski happily took GOP money and support in her campaigns.. she lost, so she decides she’s going to screw the organization that helped her win her last election so that she doesn’t lose her elite Senatorial status?

            If it was correct that the other GOP primaries ended with the loser consolidating behind the winner (and I never heard anyone suggest anything different than that, no matter what state they live in), then its equally correct that Murkowski shouldnt stab her own party in the back, and they should remove her from any and all committees until she gets flushed out of the Senate come election day.

        • Just_Saying

          If she was honorable, and followed the rules of the game, Lisa should have gracefully bowed out when she lost the primary. She obviously is dishonorable, since she decided that her perks in DC are more important than her Alaskan ethics or Republican connection.
          .

    • Finrod

      What, not a word of apology about not knowing your gal Lisa as well as you thought? And here you tell us how much you know about Alaskan politics.

      You’ve done enough insulting of everyone else here, and you can’t take it when your side loses. Lame.

      If you want to walk away, then do it, don’t threaten it. Or man up, be a Republican, and support the party’s nominee, no matter how ill you think of them.

      I guess the question you need to ask yourself is: who do you want to fight? Other Republicans, or the Democrats that are doing their best to put us all in the poor house?

    • bk

      But the way it looks to outsiders is as was described in the OP.

      If one R loses but tries to keep the other R from winning, that’s not good.
      - Dede, Crist, Specter, Castle, and now Murkowski.

      It so happens that in all these cases, the more moderate candidate was the (seeming) sour grapes one and and the more conservative candidate the one being fought from two sides. The more moderate one was also the favorite of the insiders.

      The closest thing in the other direction seems to be Didier, though that’s way more under the radar than Castle’s case..

      Sure each case is different, but the pattern is clear in this group, and it’s a load of crap: “If I win you’d better back me in the name of party unity, but if you win don’t ask me to do the same.” In most of these cases it looks like petty sabotage – I told you I’m your only chance to win and I’m trying to make that come true by screwing the guy or gal who beat me.

    • davesinsanantonio
  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    Scorched earth? The party be damned? Teach them a lesson?

    • Achance

      Sarah Palin has something to to with Sarah Palin and making money, and using fools that believe in her.

      • IJB

        So I guess that says something, doesn’t it?

        That said, I’ll give you props for sitting here arguing with us, rather than being down at the “event” and sellin’ your soul to the (former) “In” crowd…

      • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

        But she’s used her name to help others get elected. People who did not have a snowball’s chance in hell, in Lisa Murkowski’s world.

        Who’s being manipulative, explotive, and self centered here?

  • america1st

    with these particular RINOs is that they are guaranteeing they will never again have an impact in an election or on a policy matter. As more of them are thrown out, the others will flee (‘retire’) or smarten up. Removing RINOs is the same thing as defeating dim-rats; there is seldom even a half of a degree of separation between them and in many cases (e.g., castle, specter, jeffords) they are essentially indistinguishable. The problem as I see it is most – not all – RINOs claim the guise of “moderate loyalist” but happily don the helm of “liberal Quisling (or collaborator)” under it.

    We do need tolerance for honest disagreement, but cannot accept self-serving divisiveness as the price for it. The likes of crist & murkowski show how carefully we must vet those who do not embrace conservative principles.

    • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

      that it’s people like Jim DeMint who are fracturing the party…

      • Achance

        made her decide to go back and take Miller on. Figure on that.

        • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

          n/t

          • powertothepeople

            on her site days before DeMint said to whatever he said that she was thinking about a write in run sort of trashes the blame game on DeMint. It is nothing more that a I am pissed moment and Screw what the voters want that is pushing her agenda.

        • AceInTX

          Or is it about stopping, “That Woman”?

          Your better than this Art….

          (shaking Head)

          • ffc99

            See what he said about her today.

            “Even in Alaska, the home of bacon, they threw out that senator,” DeMint told an applauding crowd as he discussed the Tea Party movement.

            http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/119403-demint-blasts-murkowski-in-speech-to-values-voters-summit

          • eburke

            rules of a contest in which she willing participated how?

          • ffc99

            Nowhere in it did I say that Sen. DeMint’s statement earlier today justified her decision to wage a write in campaign (a decision with which I disagree).

          • eburke

            Art’s comments implying that Lisa was somehow justified in what she did because the conservatives didn’t treat her nicely enough, I projected that onto your comment.

            Again, my apologies.

        • eburke

          She could have ended all this speculation the night that she conceded but she didn’t. She allowed herself to continue to be the alcoholic who keeps hanging around alchohol instead of turning and walking away from it.

          I was willing to buy your analysis that she was head faking to keep a more prominent Dem from announcing even though my ‘looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck’ sirens were screaming in my head.

          *Nobody*, short of putting a gun to your head, can *make* you do anything. Lisa did this because she wanted to for whatever reasons: a sense of entitlement, hurt feelings, unwillingness to abide by the will of the voters, arrogance…I don’t know exactly why and I don’t pretend to.

          But there’s no excusing the inexcusable and for a grown woman, or any other adult, to justify their inexcusable behavior by blaming another person for it is nothing more than evidence of their lack of mature analysis and judgement.

          Period.

          • davesinsanantonio

            55555.

    • america1st

      Obviously, I don’t know the internal politics up there as you do, but my opposition to murkowski is based on her votes in the Senate, not whatever personal urination contest / vendetta she and Palin may be conducting on the side. That’s the province of governors and state office holders. On the national stage, Senators & CongressCritters from AK can have an enormous impact on me, just as mine can affect you, so we all have some skin in these contests, all across the Republic.

  • Vegas_Rick

    were kicked to the curb when Palin kicked him to the curb. One suspects they are the same Republicans who now feel compelled to get the Democrat elected.

    Yet we are labeled “true conservatives” by those bitter revenge seekers.

    • Vegas_Rick

      I’m surprised they haven’t accused Palin of somehow stealing thatgubenatorial election. Surely she couldn’t do it fair and square.

    • Achance

      Since everybody likes to say I dislike Sarah Palin because she fired me or something, let me disuade you of that notion; I retired three months before she was even the nominee and six months before she became Governor. If I had stayed, she’d have had to ask me how to fire me. Just look at how well she did with Tpr. Wooten and Com. Moneghan. I could have fired both those guys and nobody in Alaska would have heard about it, much less it having become a National issue.

      Most of us old “Murkowski” guys were actually the people who had done the staff work and appartchnik work for the Republican Party for years. We were there and got some of the appointments. Sarah, the Un-Republican basically fired everyone from the Executive Branch that Frank had hired, but pretty much everyone had some place to go or had their own means. Fundamentally, Frank Murkowski needed us more than we needed him.

      But that said, most of us REALLY don’t like Sarah Palin because she has built this meme and image for herself at our expense. She’s a liar and a fraud, but you guys love her, so we’re glad she’s usually in your states more than ours.

      • Vegas_Rick

        I never implied she fired YOU. And I didn’t say anything positive about Palin.

        But you are correct, I know nothing of the situation in Alaska, I get all of my information from your posts.

        ” she has built this meme and image for herself at our expense”

        No, you’re not bitter. Your objectivity shines through like a beacon.

        • Achance

          the opportunity to deny her something she really, really wants. An old political mentor of mine always said, “remember every ass you kick on the way up, you’re going to have to kiss on the way down.” It is good advice.

      • cwilson

        you wrote a fairly long article a while back (I think it was a draft for a chapter in your book) where you gave a number of points of advice to new incoming Republican officeholders. One of those points was, to simplify, fire everybody from the outgoing administration you possibly can, because otherwise they WILL work against you and take your administration down from the inside.

        Now, the context there was that the incoming Republican was replacing an outgoing Democrat.

        But…

        Suppose the outgoing group was comprised of Republicans of the we’ve-got-to-get-along-with-the-D’s stripe (you know, like Voinovich or Bob Michel) — then if I were an incoming ideological conservative Republican I’d be pretty confident that the Bob Michel holdovers WOULD try to take me down after the election.

        Now, you may disagree with that perception of the two AK factions — but there is no doubt that Palin (and her team/supporters) view them in that way. They see themselves as the “Conservative Reformers”, and you Frank Murkowski guys were the “Establishment compromisers.”

        Given that perception…should they not have taken your advice? If not, why not? What different tack should they have taken? And would the Murkowski holdovers NOT have tried to sabotage her from the inside? — they certainly worked hard to do so from the outside!

      • deano64

        is a liar and a fraud. It’s obvious that would be Lisa Murkloserski. It is all about Lisa isn’t it?

  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    Instead of Lisa taking the whole Republican party down with her?

    • ericc

      for the laugh. It’s good to be able to inject a little light-heartedness into what is truly a somber situation.

      Although, I read somewhere that her odds of taking down Miller by peeling off votes via write-in might still not be very good. I am trying to remain cautiously optimistic.

    • Vegas_Rick

      A little humor and a great idea at the same time.

    • Doc Holliday

      I always believed there were just a few subjects not worth learning more about.. Well if I never read or here the term “Alaska Politics” again, it will be fine by me.

      • aesthete

        “politics” again in relation to something that might affect the lives of myself or other Americans, it would be fine by me.

        • Doc Holliday

          what we want is against human nature. We want certain people to attain power in order to give up power. We can never end the human foibles, including squabbling, jealousy, and scheming. What we can possibly do is reduce government so those foibles affect us less.

          • aesthete

            I am, however, encouraged by the clever use of incentives in actually reducing (and not simply “reducing the growth of”) government in New Zealand, and I’m sure that the lessons of public choice aren’t lost on Paul Ryan, Matt Kibbe, Norquist, and other defenders of freedom.

  • chbroussard

    Are we flirting with snatching defeat from the jaws of victory here?

    • tollen

      we are looking at a perfect example of what is wrong with Washington. Powerhungry women and men there are scared of losing that power and their need not to have the bowing and scraping stop.

      On top of that, –a woman scorned, as the saying goes—
      Good grief, what a farse this is, I bet the liberals are laughing all the way to the bank.

      PS Send Joe Miller $$$$$$$

      Signed,
      a woman

      • chbroussard

        I’m sending $$ to Joe Miller tonight.

  • raymond642

    “not a single conservative who lost a GOP primary this election season has run as a third-party candidate or Democrat.

    On the other hand,”

    Is it just a coincidence that all the RINOs who lose primaries are bolting the party and running against the voter chosen nominees? Or is it part of a concerted, coordinated effort by Establishment Republicans to deny the voters a voice in choosing the nominees?

  • AceInTX

    I’ll be stunned if Castle doesn’t go third party to torpedo O’Donnell….it’s about making sure the Conservative doesn’t win and mess up the meme these crap weasels have used for years to brow beat conservatives into voting for people who could give a crap about the constitution, smaller government, and an out of control budget.

  • chbroussard

    has resigned from her Republican leadership positions.

    • tollen

      They threw her delicate, little bum out!!

  • izoneguy

    McConnell on Murkowski: “I have accepted her letter of resignation from Senate leadership.”

    http://twitter.com/senatus/statuses/24813690863

    • america1st

      I liked the quote so much, I checked out his site. It is now bookmarked as one of a few select favorites. Love the man’s caustic humor !!!!!!!!!!

  • izoneguy

    Her

    • IJB

      This situation is pretty much like FL – like Rubio, Miller’s floor (not his ceiling, but his *floor*) is probably 40%. It’s definitely more than 33%.

      What’s Lisa M’s “path to victory” here? – Push McAdams down to single digits, and pilfer Miller’s ‘left flank’?! Someone should tell her how that’s working out for Charlie Crist. And her situation’s even worse because she’s trying to do it as a Write-In!! Oh brother…

      • gekster

        for those who don’t understand, snark, or being sarcastic.

    • DavidS1787

      all she wants to do is play the spoiler and elect the democrat.

  • Wine Country Dog

    and in the cases of Specter, Murkowski, Castle, Crist and others who have shown their true colors the voters have chosen wisely. I would think it very uncomfortable to support a politician who upon losing, throws temper tantrums and hissy fits, not caring if it harms Republican prospects and in fact appear to be hoping to do so. Like the song goes, you gotta know when to hold ‘em and know when to fold ‘em. These sore losers have shown they never should have been in the game in the first place and never should be allowed in again.

    • gekster

      tt’ll get ya in trouble

    • america1st

      .

  • chbroussard

    “The Alaska Woman that Won’t Quit.”

    Lisa says she’s “One Woman Who Won’t Quit on Alaska.”

    Ace, you must be psychic. Like minds.

    • AceInTX

      He’s taking his time right now…and will com out in a couple days and say…after much careful conservation and thought that he just has to save DE from O’Donnell.

      • DavidS1787

        the same thing you have. Castle called Obama and Biden after he lost his primary and refused to concede and call Christine O’Donnell, probably to see if they would back him for a write in candidacy for Senate.

        • cordpt

          Obama et all called him, it wasn’t him calling them. Besides:

          She has since indicated she would take Castle

          • DavidS1787

            Obama calling castle.

        • AceInTX

          and laying waste to countryside to deny the enemy, (conservatives) the ability to live off the land.

      • cordpt

        He already said he won’t be running and won’t endorse Coons. In fact, I suspect he’d endorse O’Donnell if she actually tries to get his endorsement and get some of the personal bruises from the primary heal – last I heard about this Castle has been trying to contact O’Donnell’s campaign but the phone numbers are out of service.

        And is O’Donnell a moderate? Because this is what she did in the past.

        • AceInTX

          • cordpt

            I’m not aware of any denial.

            And the challenge for a bet stands.

          • AceInTX

            and I said I’m not a prophet…I’m saying I can see the game playing out the way I said….he still hasn’t endorsed her and I don’t believe for a second he can’t get a hold of her.

          • JSobieski

            the only page that was up was the fundraising page.

          • AceInTX

            seriously…DE isn’t that big a state.

        • DavidS1787

          Mikel Castle can come out any time and hold a press conference and publicly concede. He should also endorse O’Donnell. Not do so suggests that he is not on board to see the Republican take the seat and he is not a team player and not a gracious loser. Castle should also publicy announce that he will not run as a write in candidate.

      • ffc99

        it’s not just moderates that refuse to endorse primary winners and then wage write in campaigns. Christine O’Donnell did it herself back in 2006…

        • eburke

          who have refused to abide by the results of a primary are substantially longer than the list of conservatives who have done the same.

          • cordpt

            Very little incentive for someone who loses a primary to a more centrist rival to try to win it all when the electorate of the general election is even more moderate.

          • eburke

            as many reasons why a conservative would justify doing the same thing,

            The fact remains, moderate/liberal Republicans refuse to abide by the will of primary voters at a much higher rate than conservatives.

            Period.

          • cordpt

            And moderate/conservative Democrats refuse to abide by the will of primary voters at a much higher rate than liberals. And it’ll always be that way on both parties.

            They do it because they tend to be way more viable in general elections.

            Btw, I’m pretty sure the correlation is a lot higher with incumbents defeated in primaries (regardless of their ideological leanings) than with moderates.

          • eburke
          • AceInTX

            I started with

            1)Crist
            2)Specter
            3)Murkowski

            I’ll add

            4)Jeffords
            5)Scozafava
            6)I’ll add Nelson Rockefeller who refused to endorse Goldwater and helped elect Johnson

            Then there’s Erick’s post a while back

            The one way street:

          • cordpt

            O’Donnell
            Hoffman
            Tancredo
            Buchanan
            Chuck Baldwin
            Jack Coghill
            John Schmitz
            Alan Keyes

            We can play this game forever.

          • ffc99

            endorsed John McCain?

          • cordpt

            The list of primary losers who didn’t endorse is virtually endless, I suspect. And in congressional or local races this stuff is always happening.

            I’m still unsure about the point of this exercise though.

          • ffc99

            Ace was using different criteria. Dede endorsed her Dem opponent and Specter became a Democrat.

          • aesthete

            any Republican, conservative or otherwise, who runs third-party before, during, or after a primary is both an bottom-feeding cretin and objectively pro-Democrat?

          • JSobieski

            such as an R candidate being found in a bed with dead children.

          • aesthete

            My purity test is very exclusive, as you can see :)

            (In candor, I can see situations where I would not vote for the Republican nominee in certain cases less stringent than those, but it shows poor character to do so as someone trying to get elected on a Republican ticket to not show loyalty.)

          • gekster
          • JSobieski

            that at some point, the foibles of the candidate matter regardless of how they vote.

            I merely paraphrased and shortened a well worn political annecdote

          • davesinsanantonio

            ego and a probable lack of integrity has everything to do with it. The rules in the Republican Party have always been to concede and endorse and then back the winner of the primary. That so many of the so-called moderates, and even a few conservatives, have refused to play by the rules does not overturn the rule. Live by the rules or die by the rules. The sore losers are just losers, and should not be allowed by the voters or the party to get back in the game without a long period of repentance driven work behind the scenes and public support of the party’s candidates. We the People must then insure that those candidates are worthy of that support by making sure they are true conservatives, and not just lip servers.

        • AceInTX

          1)Crist
          2)Specter
          3)Murkowski

          name your next conservative….I have three more ready to paste in to my follow up

          • ffc99

            Run as a write in? Run as an independent? Switch parties? Refuse to endorse their primary opponent?

          • gekster

            you get it.

          • zornorph

            Christine O’Donnell?

          • IJB

            It’s one thing to challenge someone in the majority party as a Write-In. (I’m not saying I approve of it, believe me.)

            But running against your own guys when they’re in the minority and they’re fighting for their lives… well, that is a heck of a lot worse.

          • ffc99

            abandoning the party which supported him throughout his Congressional tenure so he could make a 3rd party run for Colorado governor (he could have been a spoiler had the R’s not nominated such a troubled candidate). Doug Hoffman in NY 23 looks like he’s going to stay on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate if he doesn’t pull ahead in the Republican primary.

          • AceInTX

            and I added a link to Erick’s piece about unfaithful moderates

          • ffc99

            How is that responsive to my post?

          • eburke

            I have sent him an email telling him to drop his candidacy yesterday.

            I also have zero time or use for Tom Tancredo anymore as well.

            Again, there’s the difference. A) fewer conservatives do this than Moderate/liberals; and B) when they do, we don’t support them, we excoriate them.

          • ffc99

            Christine O’Donnell when she ran as a write in back in 2006 (after finishing 3rd in the Republican primary)?

            And isn’t the Republican establishment excoriating Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, etc for their decisions to run against Republican nominees.

          • eburke

            2) My views on supporting *whoever* wins the primary has changed in the last few years;

            3) I posted *before* the polls closed in DE that I expected that no matter who won the race that my expectation was that the loser endorse them;

            and,

            4) you never miss a chance to continue to take shots at Christine. News Flash: Your guy lost the primary; get over it and quit looking for any and every opportunity to bash the GOP nominee.

          • ffc99

            Castle was not “my guy”.

          • ffc99

            you pointing out an example of me bashing Christine post primary. I’ve simply pointed out that in 2006 she ran as a write in after losing the primary (in order to respond to the silly idea put out by some that only moderates or establishment types ever refuse to endorse the nominee/run write in campaigns/etc.).

          • cordpt

            and I doubt you understand the corollary to take out of point A) (and also the degrees). I’ve listed 8 guys off the top of my head who left the GOP to run as 3rd party conservatives against the GOP candidate. Who was supporting them? Communists?

            Am I the only who doesn’t get the point these guys are trying to make? Do they really believe more conservative politicians are less likely to defect the party if that is the convenient step for them?

            This is really simple: there are 2 major parties. By definition, and assuming a 1-dimensional ideological axis, left-right, the right-wing of the leftist party will permeate the left-wing of the party on the right. Say, Ben Nelson and Olympia Snowe. If you keep pushing that middle to the right (or to the left alike), you won’t reach a point where nobody will be tempted to switch parties or run as centrists, as some here seem to believe. The process will go like this: tomorrow it’s Snowe, the other day is Scott Brown, then it’s Graham and Christie and suddenly you have John Kyll as the moderate who’s considering a run as a 3rd party candidate because he was defeated in a primary and you’ll end up with Coburn as the moderate/centrist flirting with switching parties – because he won’t really be that far from the right-wing of the other party.

            Promoting ideological homogeneity within a party has diminishing returns. More importantly, the most efficient way of promoting ideological changes is not through politicking, not via the nomination process. In fact, that’s the worst one.

            I’m a Weaver-conservative. I’m to the right of 99% of the republican party. But I understand reality and that politics is the art of possible. I’m certainly not interested in being what Kirk described as the chirping sectaries (in reference to other ideological group).

          • AceInTX
  • rdm42

    “We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false! ”

    Lisa ‘Gollum’ Murkowski

    • davesinsanantonio

      LOL, thanks!

  • vendoc

    but I’m willing to be friendly and help; VOTE LIZA MERCOWSKY We need to help prepare people for the write-in vote

    • chbroussard

      …the election committee will try to interpret your intent, even if the name is spelled wrong. So maybe VOTE LUCILLE McGILLICUDDY would cause less confusion.

      • IJB

        …The name *must* be spelled correctly to be counted as a Write-In vote.

        So I think any “intent” votes for Write-In that are spelled wrong *have* to be thrown out.

        • chbroussard

          but after the Florida fiasco and the lengths they went to, I’m a little skeptical about how some things are interpreted.

          • audax

            ….so that shouldn’t be a problem….LOL

        • tngal

          Daily News said last night that the name does’nt have to be spelled correctlyperfect. There has to be a last name, but it doesn’t have to be spelled correctly.

          “. Alaska Division of Elections Director Gail Fenumiai has said that voters would not necessarily have to spell Murkowski’s name exactly correct, however. She said “if I am able to determine the voter’s intent, then the ballot would be counted accordingly.”

          This is where Joe needs to take out an add saying spell it M-I-L-L-E-R

          http://www.adn.com/2010/09/17/1459578/murkowski-expected-to-say-yes.html#ixzz0zsYvvDo6

          • audax
    • http://open.salon.com/blog/poorsinner101 poorsinner

      From my understanding of Alaska election law, anyone can run as a a write-in candidate if they file within 6 days of the general election.

      Is there another Lisa Murkowski in Alaska? If so, have her register at the last minute.

      No way to tell the difference between the two

  • trapperjohn

    Chairman Randy Ruedrich:

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack
      • IJB

        As soon as Crist bolted, the NRSC and the FLGOP pretty much kicked Charlie to the curb.

    • Sirithil

      …was firmly in the hands of the Murkowski faction. That’s what Art told us, right?

      • eggcorn

        the guy wakes up in a new world every new morning. When did did he say that, November 1, 2002?

        Got the link?

      • calgacus

        The only danger is that she throws it to McAdams. She doesn’t really care because she is no closer to Miller than to McAdams ideologically. Miller is only up by about 8 points, so if Murkowski can take 10% from him then she will win. I don’t think Murkowski will take a lot of votes from any but her most hard-core supporters, who won’t vote for McAdams anyway.

    • davesinsanantonio
  • SoFiMil

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/14/sports/pro-basketball-disgusted-pippen-sits-down-for-game-winning-play.html

    If they don’t get their way, they take their ball and go home. We’ll just have to win without them..

  • SoFiMil

    Thank you Mr. Allen for your contributions and commitment to the Republican Party. We look forward to seeing more from you in the future.

    http://www.redstate.com/haystack/2010/08/14/sometimes-the-little-guy-wins/

  • vmo335

    murkowski
    castle
    rove
    charles kraut….
    ===========
    OBSOLETE
    the rest of us have a country to save. for the rest of us- close up ranks, and press on.
    conservative in the primary, republican in the general.
    nothing in that equation about write-ins, or third parties.

    • SoFiMil

      He didn’t support O’Donnell in the primary, but never said he didn’t support her in the general election. Rove’s analysis was right on. No one should get a pass on issues regarding integrity.

      • deano64

        attacks after she won the primary.

      • vmo335

        right after she won he ripped into her. and then he did it for the next 3 days. He should be focused on tearing down Coons. He i s a Republican, then an analyst, right? close ranks behind the candidate. Coons is the bearded Marxist, he should be addressing that.

        • SoFiMil

          Election night and maybe the next morning I have no problem. with as he is an analyst. Days 2 and 3, I can agree with you.

    • cactusjack

      with shot and shell and white clouds of discharged gunpowder all about, you are exactly right. Now at the double quick, forward.

  • Brian Darling

    In The Hill Murkowski is quoted as saying that she “cannot accept the extremist views of Joe Miller,” So, she opposes Miller because he is extremely conservative. This sounds like the talk of a candidate running away screaming from the conservative movement.
    In Politico one Murkowski staffer reportedly sent an invitation to a conference call for DC lobbyists to Democratic superlobbyist Heather Podesta. “A clue that Murkowski could seek bipartisan financial support in order to fund her write-in campaign. Federal Election Commission records show Podesta has been a consistent and generous Democratic political donor and has never given to Murkowski before.”
    Republican supporters of Murkowski have some explaining to do.

    • IJB

      I don’t think so!!

      There’s no percentage in it.

      I’m guessing, on top of everything, Murk. will be starved of campaign funds, unless she can get loyalists in AK to go to the mattresses, big time, for her.

    • eburke

      around to exposing what she really believes. Joe Miller, who is a constitutionalist, is an extremist in Lisa’s book. Great window into who *she* really is.

      Kinda like Bob Bennett’s comments about not ready to be extreme enough to adhere strictly to the constitution.

      The Old Guard is dying. They just don’t know it yet.

  • Sirithil

    …because despite being a ‘Johnny-come-lately fool’ who ‘doesn’t know anything about what’s really going on in Alaska’, I was right that Lisa Murkowski doesn’t care about anyone but herself — she’s just another worthless, backstabbing RINO like Mike Castle, Charlie Crist, and Dede Scozzafava — and Art was wrong.

    Let’s see if he, unlike his candidate of choice, can finally muster the maturity to endorse her opponent.

    • AceInTX

      ghost

      • Michael Dugas

        Well I guess not I see Arts name has a lne through it. So he’s going to work for Murkowski on her write-in campaign? What happened to getting behind the primary winner? He swore she wouldn’t do this. I wonder, being as close as he is to her, if he knew all along what she planned?
        Well that should create a higher level of civility here at Redstate….

      • deano64

        Republican blogs since this site is only for “crazy buggers” as he put it who voted for or like Joe Miller and happen to think we should support him or whoever wins our primaries.

        • Sirithil
  • mboyle1988

    It will hurt McAdams. Murkowski voters break 2-1 for Adams without her. Miller will still win.

    I’m actually beginning to think O’Donnell is going to pull this off too…

    • calgacus

      I would have thought otherwise.

      • audax
  • http://www.youaremysmile.com trippy

    I have to hand it to Randy, it took a man to say that. Joe Miller tried to oust him from the party chairmanship twice. I was always on Millers side in those fights but Randy has taken a big step up in my eyes.

    • constitutionalconservative

      Based on what I’d heard from afar, I didn’t have a very high opinion of Randy. But he absolutely manned up and delivered a strong slap at Murkowski and an equally strong endorsement to Miller. He deserves a lot of credit for that.

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    Her father appointed her to the senate job, a move the Alaska people found so revolting they’ve made it illegal in future. I understand she was elected on the next time, but that misses the point. She exists strictly as a result of grace and privilege-2 things many ordinary people never experience. A normal human being would say at this moment, I have been lucky and have received a great gift I probably should not have accepted. But I did accept it. Now I will be thankful and move on.

    • eggcorn

      election to get in. Loren’s no longer Lut. Governor and he’s on Millers’ list of thankyous.

      At one time the ADP was demanding to count ballots because she got more votes than could be possibe in some district.

      I think she probably agreed to support certain legislation the Democrats favored so they would drop it, and not dig into documenting a genuine election fraud. After all, the goal is to avoid the appearance of corruption. I don

  • SirGladiator

    Of course we’re all quite upset that Murkowski did this, there obviously is no excuse for what she’s doing, she’s running against the Republican nominee, taking shots at Miller and even Sarah Palin, its insane. But let’s not panic here or go overboard in our anger/frustration. Supposedly she had some kind of poll showing her close to MIller. We all know what ‘internal polls’ are worth, Castle had one showing him up 7 a day or two before the election. That was a great poll. Murkowski’s poll is probably about that great.

    Is she going to get in the debates? Is she going to have serious funding for her race? Not likely, on both counts. Nobody knows whats going to happen, which is just yet another reason not to get worked up, we really need to wait about a week or so to see how things shake out to get a real feel for it. The most likely scenario is she takes votes from the Dem and turns into Charlie Crist, a candidate struggling to avoid 3rd place as the GOP nominee cruises to victory.

    So let’s not let the perfectly natural anger/frustration get the better of us here. We don’t have any reason right now to think this isn’t going to help us in the end, with Murkowski taking more votes from the Dem than from us, and making this even easier than it otherwise would’ve been for us to win. Certainly no matter what happens, she’s showing the nation that RINOs cannot be trusted with power, and thats not just a good thing, that’s a great thing.

    • audax
  • http://open.salon.com/blog/poorsinner101 poorsinner

    From my understanding of Alaska election law, anyone can run as a a write-in candidate if they file within 6 days of the general election.

    Is there another Lisa Murkowski in Alaska? If so, have her register at the last minute.

    No way to tell the difference between the two… Ipso Facto, neither Lisa Murkowski wins.

    Am I wrong?

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    The main reason many saw to elect Obama was that it would ‘make history.’ I see from reading here and elsewhere that the Murkowski campaign’s tag line is “let’s make history.’ Fascinating. I notice Murkowski called people liars who logically voiced their opposition to Obama’s so-called Health Care plan that that no one in congress had read. She accused opponents of inciting and ginning up fear. I can see why the Libertarians didn’t want her.

  • dfwpike

    She’s a progressive. Big difference.

    • JadedByPolitics

      ………

  • http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/ reaganiterepublicanresistance

    He is at least a ruthlessly talented politician/snake who

    • Just_Saying

      …Democrats (or, clearly democrat-leaning). Byron Mallott is clearly a Democrat — he’s run successfully as a Democrat. Mary Hughes has been appointed to several major positions by Democrats. Interesting, from a so-called legacy Republican, isn’t it?
      .

  • Scope

    Within a day or two of O’Donnell winning that primary, she collected more than a million dollars for her campaign. I’ve read many comments around the web from people who voted for Castle. They are disgusted at the way he has acted in defeat, and, are sorry they ever voted for him. It’s more than possible that many former Murkowski supporters will see her arrogant childish actions, and her making herself unelectable with a third party bid, and will now work and vote for Joe Miller.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      Nobody likes a double dealing, whining, self serving, sore losing, traitor.

      In fact that is what Miller ought to call her in his campaign ads. Those very words.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    …(read Socialists, or in Murkowski’s case, Dynastyists.)

    Seems they’re poised to do it themselves. Your excellent post pointed out an aspect of cravenness, teat-fit throwing and back stabbing that almost every American finds repugnant, and has created almost a stereotype for peurile behavior which will forever be linked at the hip of the so-called moderate wing of the GOP.

    Until, unless they can redefine themselves in the public image as any thing that is just a little bit bigger than back-biting, back-stabbing whiners, on the character side, their policy side will never again be the subject of conversation.

    Seems like the O’Donnell race will bury them, though, not the Murkowski race.

    • calgacus

      Charlie Crist was never purged. It makes it sound like he was entitled to the Senate seat. I am sick and tired of hearing about “purges”- it’s called an election! It is not a moderate “purge” if the moderates do not win the election.

      • davesinsanantonio

        to be willing to leave the party in a big hurry themselves. We just don’t want to hold them up at the door, because that would slow down the influx of “independents” who seem to be flocking in that door in droves.

  • RedBeard

    Conservative primary loser Ovide Lamontagne = Mature adult

    “Moderate” primary loser Lisa Murkowski = Petulant child

    One big question is what the R leadership is going to do about this mess.

    • cordpt

      Conservatives primary losers Doug Hoffman, Clint Didier and JD Hayworth = Petulant children

      “Moderate” primary losers Sue Lowden, Jane Norton, Jason Allen, Diane Gooch = Mature adults

      • RedBeard
        • cordpt

          Why do you ask?

          • RedBeard

            …and not the fact that there might be some conservative losers who are being ungracious.

  • partyof1

    I hope Murcowsky’s scorched earth temper tantrum crashes harder than my phone when trying to load this thread.

  • izoneguy

    “My advice for Lisa is the same for anyone who sees a grizzly in the woods. DON’T RUN.”

    http://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/statuses/24816217092

  • drfredc

    It seems the NRSC, and other party tools needs to have a simple contract with any GOP candidate that goes something like

    *If you accept support from the NRSC, RNC, party affiliates or any individuals while a GOP candidate in any one election cycle, you will not change parties, run as an independent, or run an independent write in campaign during that election cycle.
    * You will quickly, publicly, graciously, and emphatically acknowledge and support the winner of the GOP primary election. After you’ve paid off all campaign debts, you agree to pass any remaining election funds available to you to the winner, without strings and in a timely fashion.
    * If any of these simple covenants are broken, you agree to immediately refund any monetary and material support provided to you by the NRSC, RNC and others while you were a GOP candidate. If unable to immediately do so, you agree to personally pay double the principle owed plus the maximum allowable monthly interest on any outstanding claims of support for your GOP candidacy.

    In other words, man up and quit the BSing around. If you run under the GOP banner, you’ve got to respect the party, the electorate and election process.

    • davesinsanantonio

      Really. I just know there has to be . I just haven’t found it yet. But, I will keep looking. I know it is somewhere. Help, a little help over here. Somewhere.

      • davesinsanantonio
  • rsexteriors

    is to money bomb Millers campaign. Just sent a donation
    https://joemiller.us/splash1/money2.php?refid=speechtop

    If he can raise over a million in a few days, like O’Donnell just did, maybe Lisa will have second thoughts. And if she doesn’t then Miller will at least have the funds to run against her and the democrat

  • rsexteriors

    It sounds like you have a “Personal” thing with Palin because she BEAT Murkowski and her FATHER (Were you by any chance involved with her fathers administration?)

    Sounds like your a Sore loser and are MAD at the VOTERS because they did not chose your candidate.

    USING the “Stay out of Alaska politics” to try and “Justify” being a traitor to the Republican Party is pathetic.

    So what according to you people can only post on races that are in their state and then only if they are involved in politics? CRAZY.

    What is so SPECIAL about Alaska. I see you posting on all kinds of issues and races that have NOTHING to do with Alaska, yet you tell everyone to shut up and stay out of it because it is ALASKA. Pathetic

  • SZGOPSC

    Please click on https://joemiller.us/splash1/response.php and contribute. He’s trying to raise $100,000 tonight. Hope Redstate willl publish a link on the site.

  • kowalski

    The more I know about people, the more I like my dogs.

    My father used to say that a lot when I was a kid, and now that I’m about the age he was when he used to say it, I understand why. It’s such a terrible thing to have to say, but it’s true.

  • Viator
  • caribousteaks

    Having talked with McAdams the other day I think he would disagree with your analysis strongly. Lisa is running because she does stand a chance to win. Any cursory glance at Alaskan elections will show you how outside the box it can be. Her electorate, if anything, will eat into McAdams’ camp most probably more than Miller’s. McAdams truly wishes Lisa was not running for this very reason and has stated so publicly. So your outsiders views I would say are dead wrong on “reasons” Lisa is running and her chances of success. Remember she is much more well known to all state voters than Miller is even today.

  • Oz

    He still hasn’t endorsed Rossi.

    He might have quit but he isn’t endorsing.

    He’s a putz who has no future in the party given his actions.

    As for Murkowski, I’ll wait till morning but it sure looks like she is going down this path.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    …that was total B.S. He lost. Voters chose the other guy. Why would they now want Rossi to run on Didier’s platform?

  • LibertarianHawk

    …Murkowski & Co.

    Just because he’s not running third party doesn’t excuse him not endorsing Dino Rossi.

  • lexington_concord

    Otherwise, hes doing a darn sight better than Specter, Crist, and Murkowski.

  • AceInTX
  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Murrey has been pulling ahead in part because of his behavior.

  • rdelbov

    GA endorsed Deal. Grayson/Norton/Murphy(MD Gov) endorsed the winner.

    I think we have the furious five of Castle-Hayworth-Didier-McCollom-Murkowski who back stabbing the party that provides them with the framework of their political career. The grasroots people keep local offices open-register people to vote day in a day out who are always there deserve a little loyalty. Yes you can establishment types but most of the party establishment are normal every day who work to build the party up so we can elect republicans.

    Murkowski is sticking her thumb in the eyes of the people who elected her-after she was selected-in 2004. shame on her if she is doing this

  • thurman

    His primary is still not done counting, but he’s been making comments again about running as a 3rd party candidate if he loses this primary (which was decided by the voters, unlike before when party fat cats chose Dede Scozzawhatever)

    If Hoffman acts like a petulant sore loser and still runs after losing a fairly voted primary, he needs to be shunned just as all the sore loser RINO’s.

  • Oz

    .

  • aesthete
  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    who seems to be getting a pass, at least at the moment.

  • IJB

    But I was way ahead on this – I’ve been warning about Hoffman for a while now.

    Based on his behavior, it’s no wonder that Doheny won that race…

  • itsjoanne

    Maybe a few of his hard core supporters, but I believe most have rallied behind Dino Rossi.

    As for Murkowski, she’s having her “campaign kickoff” on a Friday night? How dumb is that? :)

    I do agree with the comments that if she had conceded gracefully and supported Joe, she’d had a decent chance at taking out the Dem when he’s up in a few years, since he’s been voting lock step with Reid. I don’t think that will go over well in Alaska.

    But Murkowski’s pathetic attempt to hold power at any cost won’t go over well either.

    No class whatsoever.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Didier got a pass in this diary. That’s what I was referring to.

  • IJB

    Maes goes beyond being merely “flawed” to being “damaged goods”.

    That said, Tancredo made a lot of noises that he wouldn’t have pulled out even if Maes didn’t turned out to be “damaged”. So maybe he does count after all.

    I’m just sure glad I don’t like in CO this year, that’s for sure… :|

  • Jill1066

    Maes seems to be a complete mess. Tancredo has overtaken him in the polls. If Maes collapses utterly, Tancredo might be able to give the Dem a run for his money.

    As for Lisa Murkowski, she has to be cut off. This business of participating in the primary and then bucking the results with a third party or independent bid has to be squashed or we’ll have more of it. I’m a moderate Republican, but this is unacceptable. When you join the team, you follow its rules and support its chosen candidates. She lost. Joe Miller won. She should have waited 4 years and gone after Mark Begich’s seat as Crosly suggested below. Now she has to understand there is no going back.

  • IJB
  • zornorph

    I don’t consider myself moderate, but I would have voted for Murkowski over Miller. But she lost – close though it might have been – and she has no business trying to ‘pull an O’Donnell’ and run as a write in. The GOP in the Senate should strip her seniority right away.

  • rdelbov

    in Lisa M for several reasons

    1. I believe that when you run as a party official or seek the party’s nomination you have to respect the work that the grassroots party people have. No elected official gets elected with benefitting from the work that the party regulars did buildiing it up. She ran for renomination and souight to gain office on the backs of others. She owes the party loyalty

    2. in 2004 it was clear that conservative alaskans swallowed hard to pull Lisa M. They rejected her this year but the party faithful carried her in 2004. How about a little loyalty?

    I for one may have likely cast a vote to renominte her in 2010. I have never had to work against an incumbent republican in TN–Heck in 1992 we are a noticable minority in this state-no gov-no senators small minority in legilatiive bodies.

    I am thrilled now with Joe Miller as our nominee.

  • tollen

    The un-employment line tor these kind of people and their staff might look scary

  • Achance

    The Party regulars are the ones who elected her and who support her now. I’t's a bunch of crazy buggers motivated by Outside money who support Miller.

  • Achance

    put you in the unemployment line. When the enemy is in range, SO ARE YOU.

  • cordpt

    How do you rate Murkowski’s chances of winning the election as a write-in candidate? And how do you believe she rates her chances?

    Another question: do you think she believes this will help her faction to regain control of the party apparatus in the future?

  • morostheos

    Yes, ‘the party regulars’ are exactly the problem. The professional political class, like you and Murkowski, can’t stand the fact you are losing your grip. You can whine all you want about ‘outside influence’, but the the fact is, Alaskans voted for Miller over Murkowski. I would say ‘deal with it’ but it’s apparent you can’t and neither can Murkowski.

  • IJB
  • audax

    Murkowski had TWENTY TIMES the money of Miller per the Anchorage newspaper!

  • rdelbov

    of most of the party regulars but not all. In addition the party is more then party chairman-committee members-its the party voters.

    I think my point-as I recall the 2004 election is correct. The right wing conservatives hung with Lisa M-they helped to pull her through. Her appointment was not popular as it was nepotism.

  • tollen

    So Mukowski has not contributed to the current state of affairs of this nation??

    In my opinion, her selfish decision today underscores her selfish need for power, the un-employed be damned.

  • Achance

    They tried again at this year’s convention and failed. That’s one of the reasons that feelings are so strong about this;

    Can Murkowski win? Don’t know. She sure has some horsepower behind her though. “The Alaska Woman that wont Quit” is a pretty good slogan.

    The logistics of a write-in are tough, but pretty much everybody in Alaska has internet, email, and a cellphone, so the dynamic is different from what it was in the past when it took a week to send a letter across town.

  • Achance

    I spent my first two years as Murkowski’s labor relations director predicating EVERY decision on how it might impact Lisa winning her first real election. But with a lot of help from me and more importantly from Ted and Don, she did win.

    The issue is really whether the Republican Party of Alaska is the Palin Party. If it is, I’m goning somewhere else.

  • morostheos

    This speaks volumes:

    “I spent my first two years as Murkowski

  • AceInTX

    Did you really just say that?

    Where are you going to go Art? To the Dems? Maybe you can join the tin foil hat libertarians?

  • cwilson

    Wow. Now that’s hatred; literal scorched earth. It’s time to give Art the bunny…

    Bunny

  • Just_Saying

    Is Halcro really a Republican, or is he a Democrat calling himself a Republican so he can bash Palin and any other conservative out there?

  • vendoc

    morostheos said “You can whine all you want about

  • Achance

    Just go look at where Miller’s margin came from. There’s a black helicopter behind every rock and tree out there.

  • cordpt

    But it’s becoming more or less clear they have no control over the base. Other than Parnell losing to Young by 300 votes in 2008, the Palin-faction has been on a roll. Plus, I suspect many republicans who were previously aligned with Murkowski will now bolt for Miller/Palin. And if you don’t dominate the nomination process state-wide losing the control of the party apparatus is just a matter of time.

    If she doesn’t win, this will probably mean the end of her political career. And if even in the poll commissioned by Halcro she was in a statistical tie with Miller, how can she have any hope of winning as a write-in? I could see her being competitive running on the line of a 3rd party, but the failure rate of write-ins candidacies is a lot higher.

  • AceInTX

    The people who have taken down Bennett, Specter, Castle, Crist, Grayson, and on and on have superior organization, they have superior lines of communication….they have it all in spades…you don’t take down incumbents lake has been done this year without it….

    It’s the technology and they way of doing business that has changed…and the old Guard is losing it’s grip because it has failed to change with the times….

    That’s the story here….that’s the story that won’t be told till this is all over…but when it all comes out in the wash…The old guard has been up there fat and sassy for to long…and as happens with all bureaucratic systems….the Barnicles have built up and are slowing down the ship….the world has passed you by….and it’s time for some new blood….

  • pauly1620

    Despite the mess with Maes, Colorado is still a wonderful place to live (disclaimer: native Coloradoan). Truth be told, much of the Maes problem can be put at the doorstep of the state GOP. The “establishment” Republicans (sound familiar?) anointed McInnis early in the year as the de facto gubernatorial candidate. When McInnis’ campaign collapsed, Maes rode the anti-establishment vote to the nomination. Maes was never properly vetted by the state party, because they figured he never stood a chance against McInnis. Alas, now we find ourselves in a situation where the only decent “Republican” in the race is on the ACP ticket. As such, we have only ourselves to blame in this regard. However, even with this mess there is no other place I’d rather live. Colorado is still, and always will be “God’s Country” in this man’s eyes.

  • gekster

    We the people are tired and done with the establishment and thee ways of doing things.
    We want new blood and conservatives who just might act like conservatives.
    If the establishment doesn’t wake up to that, then to hell with them.
    The primaries have proven that.

  • davesinsanantonio

    strip her seniority as soon as the election is over. Then, she can quietly “decide” to withdraw gracefully. But, starting a public fight with an ego that out of control will not get the results we want. We should never let our egos get that in charge of our goals.

  • davesinsanantonio

    then it’s not “outside”.

  • momofthecastle

    It is always best to confront in private first. We conservatives have a reputation of good manners and respect for others. I’d like to see the Republicans privately speak to her, and give her the opportunity to do the right thing without the “fussing” being public.

  • jpmon

    I’m pretty sure he hasn’t endorsed Branstad yet and also openly considered mounting a third-party bid. Doug Hoffman could be put in the same category.

    It happens on both sides and has been a part of the game. It just happens that this year, more moderates have lost in primaries so the numbers may be skewed.

    On a different note, the post talks about the double standard between moderates courting conservatives versus conservatives courting moderates. In reality, I feel like it comes down to moderates “shoring up the base” versus conservatives attracting independent voters and centrist democrats that were already in the moderate candidates electoral camp.