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A Very Stupid Argument Advanced by Opponents of America

One would expect, in the wake of the incalculable damage done to America’s diplomatic position in the world by WikiLeaks’ revelation of illegally-obtained diplomatic cables, that condemnation of WikiLeaks and its founder Julian Assange would be nearly universal among everyone who is not openly rooting for the demise of America. And indeed, when Oliver Willis steps off America-hating bus (see here, here, here, and here) then you know that it is carrying a very light load indeed.

However, a small but determined band of morally vapid internet commentators are so blinded by their desire to see America fail that they cannot see that it is a bad thing for both America and the world at large for secret diplomatic cables to be spilled out into the public. These individuals generally fall into two camps.

The first more or less consists of professional America-hater Glenn Greenwald and his many sock puppets.  The Glenns go beyond defending Assange and WikiLeaks; they think Pfc. Bradley Manning (the alleged leaker of the documents) is a hero who should be lauded, and Assange is only to be blamed for not being heroic enough to murder several dozen American soldiers in order to steal the information himself.  Thankfully, Glenn speaks for no one on this issue other than his Internet alter-egos, so we need not concern ourselves with his “arguments,” which may be summarized thusly: Manning and Assange have harmed the United States, therefore what they did was both good and legal. QED.

However, a second group, typified by pseudo-libertarian Doug Mataconis (who has been busy lately trying to earn his America-hating Merit Badge at Greenwald’s feet), has apparently realized that defending Manning does not cut ice with people who don’t already hate America, and so they have apparently decided to mount a tenuous and laughable defense of Assange based on supposed legal technicalities. Mataconis and others like him have argued on twitter and elsewhere all day that a) WikiLeaks did not substantively break any laws, and b) even if they committed an act in violation of U.S. law, since WikiLeaks’ servers are outside United States jurisdiction, by definition this does not amount to a violation or U.S. law. Or something. The basic gist of this argument is that Assange is just a reporter publishing some stuff someone happened to give him and there’s nothing illegal about that.

This argument has a number of problems. The first is that, if we properly understand how Manning actually intercepted the information in question, it would seem to constitute a clear violation of the Wiretap Act. And the Wiretap Act makes it a crime not only to illegally obtain the information, but also to “use” it or (under circumstances) disseminate it. That is not to say anything about whether Manning or Assange may be in violation of any number of other federal criminal statutes which may cover both the dissemination and receipt of this particular kind of material. The argument that these crimes become “not crimes” because WikiLeaks took the information and hosted it on their servers in Sweden (or wherever they are) is also facially ludicrous. If you receive some stolen property in Michigan (in violation of the laws of Michigan) and then move that property to Wisconsin, it doesn’t mean that you haven’t committed a violation of Michigan law just because the Michigan cops have to extradite you rather than arrest you directly.

The real substance of this contention is the argument, based loosely on the myth that has arisen out of the Pentagon Papers case, that it is never illegal, under any circumstances, for any organization that fancies itself to be “the press” to publish any information it comes across, under any set of circumstances.  Of course, the Pentagon Papers case stood for no such proposition, instead only answering the narrow question of whether the government counld exercise prior restraint on the Press for publishing the information; whether the government can come down like the Fist of God upon a sleazebag who owns a website after having already published certain material is of course a different matter. 

Under the theory advanced by Mataconis, if a Russian spy through espionage came by the names of every covert CIA operative throughout the world and passed them on to some guy with a blog, the Government could not punish that blogger for publishing the names of the operatives, even if the Government advised the blogger beforehand that the list was obtained illegally through espionage. If a case exists on the record standing for such a proposition (which would surely invalidate a number of Federal statutes still on the books concerning the dissemination of classified information), the proponents of this theory have certainly not offered any proof of it. 

Of course, reason, common sense, and the desire most Americans have to see America prosper all lead most ordinary Americans to conclude that Assange and WikiLeaks are not worthy of a defense of the kind Mataconis and Greenwald have mustered.  Some, however, are bereft of all three traits set forth in the previous sentence and so jump immediately to the absurd position that Assange must be right and America must be wrong. Their arguments speak to their motivations.

Of course, as far as I am concerned, Assange is a foreign national involved in illegally obtaining classified information that is vital to America’s national security and distributing it to our foreign enemies. In other words, he is a spy who has been caught spying.  Under the traditional rules of engagement he is thus subject to summary execution and my preferred course of action would for Assange to find a small caliber round in the back of his head. Alternately, however, I would also support his arrest and lifetime incarceration (provided he’d be housed in a particularly notorious State prison), as would virtually everyone I know who doesn’t cheer for the defeat and humiliation of America in the world.

COMMENTS

  • Warrior

    once shared the plans for the invasion of Europe with reporters on their word they wouldn’t repeat them?

    • uselogic

      And even progressives at least partially loved America.

  • texasgalt

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/Blotter/patriotic-hacktivist-claims-wikileaks-site/story?id=12272776

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    Greenwald seems to envision himself as Agent Smith in “The Matrix Reloaded.” He tagged someone and they became an Agent Smith Sock-puppet.

    The truth is less glorious. Think of a backyard infested with piss-ants. But, in this one, each and every pissmire requires a hill from which to urinate. Greenwald is a pathetic creature of Modern Progressive America.

    After his predictable arrest for stalking or child porn or something cheesy of that ilk, no one will be in mourning to see him gone from the blogosphere.

  • johnt

    the enervating, cancerous disease known as liberalism, a form of suicide if ever there was one.
    Assange should be tracked down, no time limit, no boundaries, no mercy. Manning to be charged with treason, the legal basis is there. Then again, he may try and escape & who knows what could happen then.
    Now all we need is to have Holder and The O pretend they’re Americans, tough, but they should try.

    • spinoneone

      because you defined in paragraph one the reason Holder and 0 are totally incapable of moving against Assange or anyone else who supports the demise of America, both as a country and a concept.

      LMAO at the thought of number two. Yeah, that might send another kind of signal.

  • Jim

    …include those on this site (here, here) that have expressed some legitimate unease with the way this is being addressed by both liberals and conservatives?

    Look, this Assange guy creeps me out quite a bit and I am not quite sure his motives are clean as the wind-driven snow. But he was not the one who stole the information and therefore cannot be legally held liable. It comes down to a first amendment issue in which Congress can make no law abridging the freedom of the press. Assange, the New York Times, Bloomberg, MSNBC, Fox News may have angels or scumbags working for them, but if they obtain information they are free under our Constitution to publish it. You can argue that it is stupid, unwise, wrong, or foolish to publish sensitive information but the freedom of the press is a fundamental check in our system against tyrannical government censorship.

    If the government cannot secure its information from some Private with a couple CD-Rs, then that is the Pentagon’s problem. Once that information is out there to the press (whether it be a random blogger, Julian Assange, or Fox News), you are walking a fine line when you start talking about summary executions and the “Fist of God” coming down on people. It is a slippery slope to Soviet/Nazi style censorship of information and a repression of the people’s freedom.

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      :ka-click: Sit down and shut up, Jim. I have no time for apologists for people trying to hurt my country.

    • powertothepeople

      “But he was not the one who stole the information and therefore cannot be legally held liable.”

      Yep that is what the pirate sites all over the web and all over the world think is the law as well. They put these lovely disclaimers stating they do not host the material nor do they gather the material, so they can not be held liable. Funny, they found out different when the Feds raided their homes and removed their cash, computers, accounts, and freedom. The same things happened in multiple countries under the Fed leadership. Assange may not have stolen the material, but the moment he decided to post material that causes our soldiers to be in danger, other countries soldiers to be in danger, and may cause informants to lose their lives, he committed crimes. On a scaled down example, sort of like the guy who does not steal the car but drives it around, when he gets caught, who goes to jail? Assange will cross a line and he will deal with the repercussions.

      “It comes down to a first amendment issue in which Congress can make no law abridging the freedom of the press.”

      Does he appear or claim to be a damn citizen of this country? Does he live in San Fran and no one knows that? Get out of here with your elementary knowledge of the constitution. He is not a citizen so he is not nor should he be afforded the protection we are. And since when is he press? Leftist may try to claim he is press, but no one in their right mind would fall for it.

      But even if you fall in the leftist or idiot role, being a member of the press does not give you a free pass to do as you please. Answer this question then shove off…….

      A REAL press person is embedded with the 3/3 Marine in Iraq. They receive notice that a large contingent of enemy troops is coming down the mountain side so they set up an ambush. The old press guy sees where the American troops are positioned, calls the Al Jazeera “news” station and informs them that there is a group of insurgents coming down mountain A and at the bottom at location B American troops are waiting to wipe them out. Said “news” station gets on the ham radio, notifies the enemy, they change course, come in behind American troops, and nearly wipe them out. Back at the base when it is discovered what the press ding-a-ling did, do they:

      A) Arrest him
      B) Shoot him
      C) Say oh well, his actions are covered by press freedom

      In case you can not figure it out, the correct answer is A or B.

    • thejaykob

      1) The sitting president is MORE than happy to oblige the frenzied hawks on the Right (Palin, Pete King, et al) in their asinine (and most likely manufactured) over-reactions. Obama appreciates these people helping to mainstream the “outrage.” After all, he is in desperate need of some triangulation right now.

      Do remember, however, that this is the same president who set up “flag@whitehouse.gov,” so the Lefties could report on Righties who didn’t like ObamaCare.

      Also, try to keep in mind that Obama’s “FCC “diversity czar” is also on record as admiring the media controls of Hugo Chavez.

      2) If you argue Assange is guilty because of his facilitating role (and the U.S. Criminal Code refers to citizens when it says “unauthorized persons”), then the necessary implication is you must endorse the prosecution of Matt Drudge, Ariana Huffington, NYT, FOX News, Tweeters, and all others who viewed and then talked about (read: disseminated) the CableGate info. Yet, where’s the outrage?

      Yes, Julian Assange is Eurotrash. However, vent onto the Pentagon for its hugely-flawed protocols. Let’s try and keep our wits about us, however. Obama is so notoriously thin-skinned and in over his head, that I would prefer we not provide a political climate RIPE for information controls. We have an Enemy Within, who openly thirsts for crises that can be used to further regulatory pursuits. Stand your ground and quit putting the opportunity in His lap.

      Of course, this is in the name of His Royal “National Security,” right? All the more reason to be suspicous of whatever proposals might ensue.

      • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

        Blam.

    • davesinsanantonio

      he is a criminal and therefore liable. Do not try to whitewash the bad guys.

    • doubledok

      http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=40325

      This reinforces, in my mind, the irresponsible culture of non-security within the U. S. Military and ESPECIALLY intelligence. Allowing a PFC access, much less with an open media storage potential, into and out of sensitive sites explodes the credibility of armed forces security. I hate it, but it is now an absolute truth. I expect blow back from the cloaked Communists and elected espionage in the form of reducing military- run espionage, counter-espionage and access to NSA collected intelligence because. . .”the Manning debacle proves they are incompetent.”

      I think Manning’s entire supervisory team should be put in lock-down and busted to the rank of recruit. Gitmo seems an adequate secure facility. As for Manning, when they are done studying him, he should enjoy an opportunity to serve his country as a biological weapons test or microwave target. No amount of understanding or mercy seems acceptable. (Assuming he is judged “guilty”). And his command gets to watch and contemplate their end point. This lax military security must cease.

      How does a malcontent, unstable entry-level recruit get access to the job? Does the military fail to access the MMPI (Minnesota Multi-Phase Personality Inventory)? MMPI probably would be legitimate screening for everyone in uniform and repeated every few years for those in command or security positions.

      The cat is out of the bag, the horse left the barn and Elvis has revealed his ugly side to the world. Perhaps even more disconcerting is the snarky, immature content of some of the “top-secret diplomatic memos”. If there ever existed prima-facie proof that our diplomatic corps is screwed-up from top to bottom, the nicknames and judgmental ridicule of heads-of-state revealed in these leaks stand in proof.

      Hilary Clinton should make hundreds of heads roll. Neither demotions nor personnel file actions – ONLY ” fired for just cause” and complete loss of benefits. If needed, offer them resignation with relinquishment of benefits in lieu of treason-related malfeasance trials. Then Secretary Clinton should ceremoniously resign and apologize for everyone named Clinton who ever served in national politics. (Sorry, channeling my inner-Coulter, there).

      The Republicans in the Senate could proceed to the front of the class by requiring every Republican candidate to submit to an MMPI, in the future. And every potential committee chair to do so NOW!

      After setting that example, they would carry credibility when they ask every ambassador and employee of the diplomatic corps to do the same. I know we would not eliminate every leak or spy, but we would enter the realm of due-diligence for the first time. We likely could eliminate a significant majority of perverted misbehavior undermining Republican politics that have led to a series of embarrassing resignations. (Best to leave that publicity to the opposition, me thinks).

      Continuing the rant – What does it say about our mainstream media, that they examine the documents and present the diminutive pseudonyms of world leaders that emerged from OUR diplomatic corps? I am embarrassed to face emerging citizens in college with the un-substantive work product of our tax-supported, international relations network being boiled-down to this on th evening news.

      Sarcozy and Burlesconi may be viewed in their own countries exactly as depicted in the leaked documents, but now that it has become American name-calling, expect their political fortunes to improve. The unprofessional “analysis” should never have been promulgated!

      This might be the perfect opportunity to accept that these defamed countries should be viewed somewhat contemptuously and stop insulting descriptives at the exact moment that we stop giving foreign aid. Maybe Hilary is behind all of this to undermine her primary opponent?:o

      • promise

        about Hillary! I told my friends months ago they should watch her because she a like a shark who has smelled blood in the water and is circleing for the kill. When I saw the “people” rising up and going forward to defeat the socialist, spineless folks I knew she would be putting her forces to work to “expose” Obama & company. I also said she will get very quiet and almost invisible!! I knew more would be “exposed”, she has her “network” out ther everywhere! If BO thought the Clintons would let him get away with what he did then is he REALLY DUMB!!!

  • jb13

    maybe someone out there can show me my gut instincts are wrong when they scream at me that what this latest Wikileaks debacle has been all about is the destruction of Hillary Clinton.

    In his political career, Barack Obama has run up an impressive number of trashed opponents, whose character is assassinated or who are somehow disqualified before they can even take a crack at The One (for reference, see “Ryan, Jack” and “BOMBSHELL.” Those in Illinois will know what I am talking about.)

    Now today there is a story in which Assange says he thinks Hillary Clinton should resign. How convenient. Release diplomatic cables. Embarrass Hillary. Take away her platform of experience and competence from which to challenge Obama in 2012.

    Maybe I’m paranoid, but that seems awfully convenient. Now, please, someone show me that I am very. very wrong.

    • powertothepeople

      Stock up.

  • Warrior

    crowd to stir up popular support for further regulation of the internet…you know, the O hates the military and this country…so it’s not inconceivable that one of his minions leaked the stuff to Assange to provide the gubmint with pretext to “clamp down” on the internet, i.e. just another useful crisis?

    Or should I make an extra special trip to Wal-Mart and stock up on the tin foil??

    • aesthete

      are competent enough to orchestrate that sort of Machiavellian move. OTOH, I wouldn’t be surprised if this unanticipated turn of events was taken advantage of by the O’s czars under the pretext of national security concerns.

      • Warrior

        n/t

  • Warrior

    was having a bad hair day and didn’t like Obama’s failure to get rid of the DADT policy on gays in the military…

  • bobmontgomery

    ….and read the Coulter piece, both for the Manning affair and also for the part where she highlights the absence of boundaries in the American socio-political realm these days. What it amounts to, in effect, is lawlessness…..anarchy. This is why the Left is so furious and hateful these days. They almost had it. With the coming of the Obama Administration, and all the trash it brought with it, society was rapidly approaching the breakdown point, and the destruction of the health care system, and the queerification of the military, was supposed to put them over the top. They were going to take over and “save” everybody and assume their thousand-year reign.
    Fortunately for us, there were a few patriots out there willing to put themselves out there, to do the heavy lifting, to expose themselves to ridicule and scorn by the elite media and politicos.

  • tex41lb

    This is another push toward a crisis ala Soros. While he is not involved directly, Manning is a member of the Open Society, and shares the same attorney. Linked? Yep. Nothing like adding another bee to the swarm in pushing for a reason to step in and save us from the internet.

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