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Responding to the Two-Inch Crowd on Assange

Apparently some folks were upset by my suggestion yesterday that it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if Julian Assange were to find a small caliber bullet in his cranial cavity. I say “apparently” because, if this post from Mediaite is any indication, it’s really hard to tell when these people are actually exercised about something. I had always wondered what Rush meant when he referred to “the two-inch crowd”; now I know.

We also got quite a lot of scolding-disapproval mail, such as this one from a Canadian who apparently (seriously) “has a background in tree planting“:

From: “colman.hogan@utoronto.ca” <colman.hogan@utoronto.ca>

Date: December 1, 2010 4:31:42 PM EST

To: “contact@redstate.com” <contact@redstate.com>

Subject: Serious issue

 

Lexington_Concord’s suggestion that Assange ought to be assassinated 
is inflamatory and does little to advance debate about this serious 
issue. Assassination is a crime and encouraging assination is … 
well, assinine.

“my preferred course of action would for Assange to find a small 
caliber round in the back of his head.”

And again:

From: Steve Roman <saroman0414@gmail.com>

Date: December 1, 2010 7:57:40 PM EST

To: “contact@redstate.com” <contact@redstate.com>

Subject: Just wondering

…how an anti-American piece of s*** like lexington_concord gets a public forum.

The unspoken assumption behind the impotent carping of our illiterate two-inch crowd friends is that suggesting that Assange should be killed in order to prevent further devastating leaks of sensitive information is beyond the pale. Reasonable people should of course not discuss it in polite company.

This position, of course is completely contrary to the history of the law of war, wherein spies were typically subject to summary execution along with pirates.  The Hague Conventions of 1907 (Article 31) declared that if you happened to be able to catch a spy alive, you were supposed to give them a trial before executing them; however, nothing contained therein indicated that the trial had to be anything more than a field military tribunal. This tribunal could be limited to the issue of whether the person you caught was, in fact, guilty of the espionage in question. Of course, if you have to kill the spy to prevent ongoing espionage, well, them’s the breaks.

A “spy” is defined under the same conventions as one who “acting clandestinely or on false pretences, [] obtains or endeavours to obtain information in the zone of operations of a belligerent, with the intention of communicating it to the hostile party.” This, of course, is a textbook explanation of what Assange has done, during the course of paying Manning (and perhaps others) to illegally and clandestinely obtain information on America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and communicate them to any and all hostile parties with access to the Internet. And from all indication (based on his own words and promises) he intends to continue doing it for as long as he can escape prosecution for being a rapist. Therefore, if we can catch him alive, then I suppose he must be given a field tribunal of some sort – it’s not all bad, though, because that will give us the opportunity to kill him in a way less painless than a small-caliber round to the back of the head. Of course, I’d certainly never suggest torturing him to death – perish the thought. If the bastard runs, forcing us to kill him, well, they shoot horses, don’t they?

I guess that the main point here is that, intricacies of arcane international law aside, what sort of person is horrified by the idea of killing someonewho is hellbent on exposing our most vital national secrets until, you know, we force him to stop? Personally, my first instinct was to suggest that we should not only kill him, but also gibbet him in the new Cowboys stadium and charge people for tickets to view the body so we could also knock down the deficit. It seems facially obvious to me that the survival of any country depends on the keeping of certain secrets, and it follows therefrom that Manning should and must be made an example of. In other words, the mindset of “Hey, you can’t suggest that we should kill someone who’s endangering our soldiers and every diplomatic relation we have!” is as alien to me as the one that suggests that the Black Eyed Peas produce music that isn’t complete rubbish.

I have to admit that it’s indicative of something that the very people who were horrified by my post tend to be the sort of people who are the first to whine about “epistemic closure” and conservatives not being open minded enough. Apparently to them, no idea should be out of bounds, except the idea that anti-American spies should be put to death in order to prevent them from harming this country. The last 24 hours have taught me that these people exist; they have not taught me that I should regard them as anything other than people who, at heart, root for the defeat of America.

As a side note, I have been informed that some exceptionally ignorant people are referring to Pfc. Bradley Manning as a “whistleblower.” Folks, if Bradley Manning is a whistleblower, so was Aldrich Ames. The word “spy” has a meaning, it is applicable to an identifiable class of people (including both Ames and Manning) and it is an insult to “whistleblowers” to associate them with this filth. The willingness of some to use “whistleblower” as applied to Manning is just further evidence that to some people, anyone who harms America’s military can’t possibly be anything other than a hero.

COMMENTS

  • EagleWatcher

    Just ask Mark Styne who was put on trial by the Canadian government for what he wrote about Muslims.

    • tjpeco

      n/t

      • Alberta

        I know, I know: using Google is hard.

  • AceInTX

    of starting a question with:

    How is it and Anti-Americn

    and ends it with:

    gets a public forum

    Only in the leftists mind is it consistant to believe someone is “un-American” for excersizing their First Amendment right to free speech!

    MORON!

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    we should be pursuing an article 308 against Bradley Manning.

    • The_Gadfly

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaAQsxAQYHg

  • whiskey_sierra

    I am not totally made up my mind on this issue.

    But, there is a FINE LINE between the person who spies and gets this information and the person who is given this information and just publishes it.

    I don’t think Assange is the person who should be the one who should be the subject of any wrath here.

    I also find it VERY disturbing that far too many people who allegedly call themselves ‘republicans’ are demonstrating a knee-jerk reaction to protect ‘the nation state’ above all as their first reflex.

    If you have not noticed yet, the US Federal Government is a totalitarian corrupt piece of crap failure socialist mess…not an entity that anyone who respects liberty should rush to protect.

    • Brian Faughnan

      who were given the information and ‘just published it’ are the news outlets. That label certainly does not apply to Julian Assange, who has been actively seeking the information, with the promise of wide dissemination.

      Wikileaks is paying for Bradley Manning’s defense, among other things:

      http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/wikileaks-salaries/#more-21221

      How does this not count as an inducement to get him to steal information and pass it to Assange et al for publishing?

    • krsnadas

      Well said. I’m surprised someone like Limbaugh is against light being shone on the doings of Hillary Clinton. We now know, as Dick Morris pointed out, that she hasn’t changed her ways.

      If this had never happened, we would still have a security infrastructure that is flawed and allowed these leaks to happen and something worse could have eventually been divulged.

      Assange is just a messenger. The people who should be prosecuted are the ones who leaked the information who were trusted to keep it secret.

      People who call themselves conservatives and purport to support liberty should think about defending the all-powerful state and supporting the concept of assassination. The same apparatus that they are in favor of could be in turn used against them at some point in the future.

      • The_Gadfly

        and prosecuting them to the fullest extent allowed by law. In time of war that includes the laws of war, not just common criminal law, and the laws of war are far more rough than those of common law.

      • Raven

        He’s given it.

        Assange offered and paid out money for the information he is releasing.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Personally, I prefer a container ship circling in the Indian Ocean. That way, we could have a continuous special “dialogue” with Assflange about his conspiracy with Bradley Manning to release classified and secret information that is sole property of the United States to our enemies. That is a prosecutable offense under the USC which Holder and Obama are “investigating”. Yeah. Right. It took me about 5 minutes to find the relevant sections.

    By the way, we have a long history of treating spies with extreme prejudice in this country. Every time we accepted the liberal tripe about how we are “better than that”, our countrymen have paid.

    The bunker in Sweden hosting their servers? Not a problem if we use the right JDAM. It’s not like Sweden is going to declare war on us. At best we will get “condemned” at the UN by all the serial human rights abusers. I bet even Hillary would snicker on this one.

    And while we are at it, what ever happened to the military shooting spies and traitors? I think it is pretty self-evident what PFC. Manning released to the WikiReich. It’s not like we need to debrief the guy.

    • Bill S
      • Warrior

        a whistleblower…and I agree, let’s not debrief him either…

        • Marcus_Traianus

          don’t even belong in the same sentence.

          He is a traitor and poster-boy for what the Army will be full of after McMullen and Gates are done shoving DADT down our mouths.

          • Mike Ferguson

            Manning is a traitor plain and simple. He took classified government documents with the express intent of giving them to a foreign national, or foreign country. The fact that it is not technically an “enemey” of the U.S. is irrelivant. He has no honor, no code, and he broke his oath he took as a soldier. It was pre-meditated treason and nothing else and he should be tried and if found guilty given the choice of fireing squad or being hanged by the neck until dead.

            I was a soldier and this kind of trash being in the uniform makes me sick to my stomach.

            As far as Assage, A**hat, or whatever his soon to be irrelivant name is I have only one thing to say. “Happiness is a green light.”

          • romeyers

            > It was pre-meditated treason and nothing else and he should be tried and if >found guilty given the choice of fireing squad or being hanged by the neck >until dead.

            Actually I’d like to see him go for a nice long stay in a federal pen. A military one preferably, I understand that the inmates just “Love” traitor sissy bois in those places.

  • http://www.benhoweblog.wordpress.com Ben Howe

    These people that are all up in arms about putting a bullet in a spies head wouldn’t even squirm (and rightfully so) when saying that a child rapist should be tortured to death. Clearly they understand the concept that some people deserve to die horribly for what they’ve done, yet somehow releasing secret information that endangers millions of lives doesn’t cross that threshold.

  • johnt

    And why start with the head?
    As to the free press crap, once they get it all legal considerations are void stuff, I wonder what may be in the U S code covering wartime conditions and/or authorizations of war, and it’s relation to say, the NY Times. BTW, so considerate was that paper when they refused to publish info on the global warming lie. But that’s to be expected when you’re dealing with scum.
    Interesting trio that, a rapist, a sex pervert, and the NY Times, fitting !

    • Warrior

      “Those who grant sympathy to guilt…”

    • lexington_concord

      Nt

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    The dirty deed should have been done long ago. That we feel we must speak of it aloud speaks volumes as to just how behind we are.

    The 2 inch crowd could have then created a cottage industry a la Jimmy Hoffa of trying to surmise just what did happen to him and where his body is buried…or is he in Trinidad?

    • boxedquad

      Persons of interest should not go overboard on this subject, I did and had my comment deleted…I just got to heated up. Justified as well.

      The points I made are fully expressed in the above comments, to wit: they all should have met an executive fate, but you just can’t find one.

  • Raven

    Am I the only one who remembers the calls from these same people for an end to President Bush? One such call being a movie about how it might be done…?

  • Kudzu

    Is a messy game that is played among state and non-state actors. You could equate Wikileaks to the fictional organizations that live in James Bond or Chuck world, while they don’t belong to a nation, they are enemies gathering intelligence. They steal it from us.

    The beauty is they are illegals (in our world) that means they are non-official covers and they deserve no quarter if caught. The Soviets didn’t give ours and we normally were very harsh on the Soviet NOCs we discovered. So Julian Assange and the whole Wikipedia crowd are third party intelligence collectors operating as NOCs.

    We have every right as a sovereign nation to protect our secrets and try these people under out law. Because they operate overseas is no excuse for not going after them. Their crime, their “consumer” is the world and they are using the Internet as their means of communication. Furthermore, they claim to remove “sensitive” information from the documents. I bet you dollar to donuts that nation states are hunting them down to discover what was removed or redacted from the released classified material.

    There are certainly traitors, PFC Manning isn’t the only one, involved in this and they should be treated as such.

  • nhbuckeye

    Folks, I don’t know how many people realize it, but we’re going down. It is no longer a matter of if but when. The more we can dismantle the Progressive structure of our government before we go down in flames, the more likely we will be able to rise from the ashes a republic anew. The more control Progressives have, the bloodier, more painful, and longer this process will take, and the less likely we shall overcome to rebuild our republic. We should have let the banks go down two years ago. We should have let the car companies die. We should have let the housing market crash to the very bottom. Depression is better than propping up a failing system that will lead to the fall of our republic. We need to slash and burn many of the structures of our government. We don’t need them to survive. They will only drag us down to failure. They demand our money and our freedom, making the bureaucracy our most fearful enemy. None of our enemies compare in power to destroy us than our bureaucracy. Assange is just another domino in the process of destruction. We are spending an inordinate amount of time talking about him rather than the Safe Food Act or the Fairness Doctrine. These are big pieces in the Progressive agenda specifically meant to control of communications and the food supply. These are key pieces to for the Progressive agenda of control. This lame duck legislature is killing us. I hope the new Congress has the strength of will to dismantle every piece of legislation put forth by the 111th, or we may very well be history.

    • themamabear

      I agree with you completely. We are propping up every aspect of our country with bailouts and subsidies, except that the stakes are stuck in sand not stone — our enormous deficit. It is only a matter of time before the sand is washed away and it all comes crashing down. I really don’t understand the progressive agenda. I know it is all about power and control, but it can’t last, so what is the point? I guess it is a short-term power rush and they just think they’ll be dead and gone before the bills need to be paid. I think they are wrong and it will collapse much sooner than that.

      Underneath it all, there IS a foundation of stone – our founding documents – and this will where we will need to return to in order to rebuild.

      Maybe every generation thinks “this is it, this is the end” … but that is certainly how I feel now. I am 37 years old and I don’t believe that I will be a senior citizen in an intact Republic. Not a good feeling.

  • 2warabnvet

    Consider that everything Assange did, the New York Times would do if given the opportunity.

  • esh77

    The (co)author (tree plant person) has written a review of a book (aka
    intellectual treatise mired in the obvious). His style is so pedantic, I found myself laughing so hard after a couple of paragraphs that tears were streaming
    down my face on the outside (while on the inside I rued the days I spent
    learning these words and/or the roots from which they were ‘built.’
    This part was fairly harmless but I then started choking and gasping for air.
    Ultimately, I had to find my rescue inhaler to avoid a full-blown asthma attack.

    To his credit, however, the thing ‘conan.hogan’ was able to convey with absolute clarity (to me) was just how much his tree-planting experience contributes to both his writing style and his world view. His obvious aptitude for shoveling that which his trees (and his intellect) need to thrive is formidable!