We need an honest man to hold the Fed accountable for what they’ve done to our economy, and there’s no better than Ron Paul. As John McCain said, “Ron Paul is the most honest man in Congress.”

Those who attack Congressman Ron Paul have the most to lose, especially those profiting from the unconstitutional big banking cartel that is the Federal Reserve.

That this thread was about the fed, the gold standard, AIPAC, the Joooos, or any of the other topics that are favored by this moron’s moronic followers. It isn’t.

votes in 2012 through his predictable conspiracy looney toons crap as monetary chair. Why the party rewarded this guy is beyond me.

It’s definitely not too early.

Blaming Boehner for Paul being psychotic isn’t really fair.

If it’s Paul’s policies you don’t like, go after him.

Just get a primary candidate who doesn’t make ridiculous claims like speaking 124 languages. Ah yes, we remember Eric Dondero.

Ron Conspiracy Theory Paul, or Murray Conspiracy Theory Rothbard.

The fed is entirely run, managed and regulated by the federal gov’t. The member banks own “stock” in it, but the stock neither appreciates nor depreciates. There is no private market for it as it cannot be purchased or sold and it pays a constant rate of return like a Treasury bond, not dividends based on earnings.

At one time, when the Fed was established, I suppose they thought the “stock” would be a source of capital for the Fed, but subsequent investment activity has rendered it a quaint holdover. It is not a good investment for the bank, nor is it an expense. It does, however, differentiate the Fed member banks from non-member banks.

Any earnings the Fed makes is turned back over to the Treasury Dept. as more income for Uncle Sugar. So please take this crackpot theory and put it with the black helicopter one.

As for the lovely “Audit The Fed” stuff going around, the Fed has an extensive and magnificent internal audit dept. that looks for theft, graft and corruption. They, unlike the Dept. of Education, do manage to balance their books and account for their income and expenses. Whether or not their decisions are wise and effective are certainly subject to question, but I question the capacity of anyone in the GAO to make that determination and I’m absolutely positive no one in the Congress has the ability. So I guess I’m agnostic on the audit idea.

I suppose the GAO could audit the bank’s internal audit dept. and make sure they are sufficiently effective and examine the relationship between the Board of Governors and the audit dept. to make sure they are sufficiently responsive.

Proper grammar saves lives.

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You said this:

The Fed operates for its own interests and NOT the interests of the un-empowered American citizen.

That’s just stupid. The Fed is directed by Congress and the President to manage monetary policy in a way that maximizes price stability and minimizes unemployment. The part of minimized unemployment (or employment stability) was added to their functions at a much later date than the price stability directive (I think during the Carter presidency) and that has caused problems ever since.

It should be the task of the Fed to manage price stability and it should be the job of the elected branch to not stand in the way of job production. But since the elected branches do such a pathetic job of that, they have essentially directed the Fed to cover their @$$e$, which is causing them to try to encourage economic growth, even if it comes at the expense of inflation.

*That* deserves a call to your Congresscritter, but no the private ownership aspect of the Fed, because that’s just another nutty conspiracy. And if you doubt that, ask yourself why no one is beating the populist drum about private ownership of the Federal Home Loan Bank, which is managed in the same manner.

Proper grammar saves lives.

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in fact his book is not the best one you can read on the subject. A better one is The Case Against The Fed by Murray N. Rothbard, a highly respected and accomplished conservative Economist in the tradition of Mises, Hayek, and Bastiat.

There is a very good case to be made against the Fed and I for one am glad that Paul, who has demonstrated his zeal for the subject, gets the nod on the issue.

But yes, overall he is a crackpot.

At least Kucinich has principles and sticks to them.

of the imagination. To be frank, it’s not even his conspiracy-theory bent that gets me. His anti-Israel stance is what irks me.

That said, I wonder if this vote was because he has gotten so tied into his contrarian, ‘Ron Paul against the world’ ways that he just mindlessly voted against this because everyone else was voting FOR it. I notice that just about every time a vote goes through the house, and only one or two people voted it against it (or for it), Paul’s name is there.

As far as the Fed, I actually hope he does some serious hell raising. I traded currencies for a while; I learned from a pro. I too was really shocked at some of the crap involving those shady jerks. They sure seem awful opposed to an audit. Why? I think Paul going after the Fed might be the best thing he ever did for this country.

And I agree with you sarg01, there are others far worse than Paul. To your list I would add Gutierrez. That guy is a class-A jerk.

Ron Paul should be expelled from the body, and should have when he, in a hearing questioning Ben Bernanke, accused the Fed of being the puppetmaster of Watergate and Saddam Hussein.

through which all criticisms of Ron Paul are filtered in our Euro-Phallo-Centric Consumerist culture. Then you soak the Roach in Formaldehyde. At that point Congressman Paul sounds somewhat tethered to what your new reality recognizes as terra firma.

Otherwise, Ron Paul makes Maxine Waters look like a MENSA candidate.

Not everyone who thinks that Ron Paul has some good points to make is a “Ronulan” or believes he is presidential material — or believes that he is even remotely sane.

Personally, I am a conservative, not a libertarian, and I think Ron Paul and his merry band of crackpots (who very nearly took control of the GOP executive committee in my home county) are deranged.

That being said, agreeing with Paul on an issue-by-issue basis does not a Ronulan make. I understand that a while back RedState had an issue with Paulbots but that doesn’t make everyone who agrees with a Paul issue one of them.

I happen to agree with Glenn Beck and Ron Paul on quite a bit. I also happen to think that Ron Paul, especially in his foreign policy views, is certifiable. I don’t deserve to be personally attacked for this.

was really interesting to him and to you. Just because he wrote it and you like it aren’t really good reasons for anyone else to read it or agree with it or even argue about it.

The fact that this story is about one of our crank politicians siding with a totalitarian dictatorship against an advocate of individual freedom implies that Ron Paul is not a fan of Mr. Rothbard’s philosophy so I’m not sure why you are invoking this author on a subject that isn’t being discussed.

this is not the “new House rules.”

The people who wrote those rules voted for the resolution.

You had your wish over the last two years because you had a 255-178 Dem majority. How well did that work out for you because for the rest of us it really sucked.

I did rather like his comments during the debate in ’08 about not telling Israel what to do. For the most part, I Like to hear that sort of thing come from a member of our government. ANY member of our government.

He doesn’t always vote against these. Read the story. An apology is required if you want to keep your account.

We are in need of a WFB to marginalize him, but no such person or opportunity appears to be on the horizon. Rand Paul being a newly elected Senator further complicates the situation.

In the upcoming year, Paul will get more coverage on MSNBC than anyone besides President Obama. He will be used as a surrogate for the tea party movement and the Republican party. The conspiracy theories he espouses as well as many of his other views will be used to discredit the tea party movement.

Ron Paul is no hero for the Constitution, but he is an achilles heel for a movement that he asserts to support. Maybe he won’t be as damaging in an effort to avoid shooting Rand in the foot, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

I suspect Rand Paul will distinguish himself from the views of his father in public within one month of Paul holding a hearing.

“8. emphasize that violations of human rights in general, and the persecution of Liu Xiaobo, Liu Xia, Liu Xiaobo’s supporters, and all signers of Charter 08 specifically[??], are matters of legitimate concern to other governments.” [emphasis and query added]

Is it wrong to hope the milkman was involved?

Mew

Since he’s as nutty as a fruitcake.

work out with Jimmy Carter and Iran? How much has diplomatic measures worked out with Iran currently? How much have diplomatic measures worked with North Korea. How much have diplomatic measures worked out with Libya, and Kadifi (sp)? I could go on and on and on about trying to use “diplomatic measures” with country after country, which never solves the first problem, especially with respect to “human rights.” The US has tried, unsuccessfully for years and years and years to talk other countries into being kind to their populations, it has never worked. There are countries that thrive on hating America, and all of her citizens, as it threatens their dictatorial way of life. I am all for having bases in the many countries that we do, for our troops safety measures, and, to be on top of some country that is posing any threats to our country. I am all for keeping a strong military presence, and a well funded and strong military, but, other cultures will never adopt our ways. They’ve never known what real freedom is. You don’t miss something you never had or knew to begin with. Isn’t that what Petraeus has been about in Iraq and Afghanistan? We must be ever vigilant against our haters. Paul has never given the first indication that he sympathize’s with other countries positions, because we are really the infidels around the world. Yup, to Ron Paul we really are the infidels, the radical Islamofacists told him so. Paul has never given the first indication that he wants America to be strong. Paul has never indicated that he even believes in American exceptionalism (sp). Paul has some sick and sorry ideas of our being some grandiose people that need to be brought to heel. He is a sick SOB, that even distorts his fiscal positions with being the pork king. Does Mr. Constitution believe that earmarks, and the way they are done, comport with the Constitution.

The disparaging remarks and threats of banning are over-the-top. If the GOP does not want the paleocons around or are embarrased by them, I’m happy to take my vote elsewhere to a third-party.

Between not showing up for a non-binding resolution standing against totalitarians, and making sure that you do show up so that you can vote against it, then I can’t really help you pull your head out of your nether regions.