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I had the great pleasure of seeing Pope John Paul II in 1993 during the World Youth Day events held in Denver, Colorado. I have fond memories of that time, for it was a very moving and influential experience.

But, it was also punctuated by debate. On many street corners anti-Catholic groups were handing out literature to the throngs of Catholic pilgrims who were making their way from event to event. The anti-Catholic groups were actively proselytizing by engaging World Youth Day participants in conversations both civil and not so civil.

No one in authority stopped the non-Catholic groups from their efforts to proselytize the Catholic pilgrims (many of which were high school and college age). And, speaking as a Catholic who was at the event, I’m glad for that. I took the literature, read it, and engaged in conversations. For goodness sake, they were handing me a pamphlet, not pointing a gun at me. They told me I was going to hell by virtue of being Catholic. I disagreed and stated my case as to why. There was freedom here. There were spirited conversations. There were challenges and questions proposed, some fair and some patently unfair. You could choose to engage in debate or you could choose not to. There was no, as far as I could tell, disorderly conduct. We, both the Catholics and the anti-Catholics, were Americans exercising our rights to free expression and freedom of religion.

Fast forward now to 2010, to Dearborn, Michigan, where an Arab Cultural Festival was recently held … a group of 3 Christians stood outside of the festival grounds and peacefully handed out the Gospel of John presented in both English and Arabic. They did not harass. They did not throw about epithets. They simply handed out a book for anyone willing to take one.

A picture is worth a thousand words and a video can be worth exponentially more. Watch below, via Powerline Blog:



In about 3 minutes’ time … yes, just a scant 3 minutes … they were descended upon by no less than 8 Dearborn Police Officers. They were arrested and their video camera was confiscated. They were brought to a temporary booking station where they were cited for disorderly conduct and photographed. They were eventually released and told that they could not legally hand out the Gospel of John within a 5 city block perimeter of the festival grounds … which essentially put their proselytizing out of business.

Do you see the difference between the World Youth Day event in 1993 and the Dearborn Arab Cultural Festival?! What country is this … China? Or, even more pointedly: Saudi Arabia?

Sharia law forbids the proselytizing of Muslims and the conversion of Muslims. Creeping Sharia is a term used to describe a slow indoctrination and institutionalization of Sharia law. If this doesn’t fit the bill for creeping Sharia, then I simply don’t know what does. And, if this isn’t alarming, then we might as well go back to sleep, but don’t be surprised if you wake up in a very different America.

Editor’s note: See also Sharia heating up in Dearborn.

COMMENTS

  • nessa

    The terrorist fundamental islamists are in league with the left, it’s undeniable. We can’t forget it for a minute.

    • mailloux

      Thank you!

      The kind of change that’s upon our culture courtesy of radical Islam in conjunction with the left is the worst possible sort . . . the seemingly benign insidious sort. It’s like gaining weight through middle age. Everything seems to be A-OK, but the next thing you know, you wake up at age 50, fat and hardly able to climb a single flight of stairs without being severely winded. Our culture is sometimes a lot like that middle aged man slothing through a too comfortable life. We need to reinvigorate the moxie to be a freedom loving people . . . even willing to fight and die to protect those constitutional freedoms.

      Take Care, mailloux

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    Saw this vid on a few other sites.

    Any comments I’d make would be taken the wrong way…. which is EXACTLY how they’d be meant.

    Molon Labe, Peace Lovers…… Molon Labe.

  • penguin2

    There is creeping Sharia influence and law, look at what is happening in the U.K.
    Unbelievable that in a country founded in part for religious freedom–may face the loss of religious freedom. Christians of all denominations need to awake and be aware, and along with their Jewish brethren, fight the Left who will use the Muslims as another victim group to get what they want. The Left wants to obliterate Judaic-Christian beliefs.

    The danger is real, as your post points out.

  • realskinny

    Chief HADDAD’s goon squad! I’d be willing to bet there are no ordnances against handing out pamphlets or video taping on city streets in Dearborn. This is too outrageous to be believed. This needs to be publicized.

    Dearborn is where the Henry Ford Museum is located. I’ve been there several times. It used to be one of the better suburbs of Detroit. The State government needs to look into these people before the police begin beheading Jews and Christians.

  • caseoftheblues

    …the fanatical seperation of Church and State crowd. This clearly is the State picking one religion over another….where is the ACLU…where is the US Attorney General on this….the freedom of speech/urine on a cross/burn the flag crowd…..gee guess you don’t REALLY care about freedom of speech and seperation of Church and State and the civil rights of Americans…just advancing the Progressive/Opppressive agenda is all it’s been about….good to know!

    • http://www.tobytoons.com TobyToons

      … Where is the separation crowd? Where is the ACLU?

      Crickets.

  • XOT

    This cries out for someone to sue based upon this infringement of constitutional rights and eliminate the enforcement of this instance of Sharia. I seem to recall that there bills proposed in the House and/or Senate that would prevent any regulations enacting Sharia that were in conflict with the US Constitution. That is one place where I wouldn’t mind government sticking their nose!!

    • http://www.theclassicalliberal.com theclassicalliberal

      It’s not a case of the “government sticking their nose” into other’s business. It’s a case of the government doing its job. The government exists to protect individual rights.

      The police cannot stop people from peacefully assembling and handing out literature. This must be looked into carefully.

      • XOT

        I was being sarcastic with nose sticking comment – it is their duty to enforce the Consitution over all else, but considering where this administration has been going in that regard, we can hold our breaths! I say that a bill of the sort I mentionedabove should be near the top of the list for 2011 if we can take back Congress – it’s straight-forward legislation that requires very little to produce and is effective.

        • http://www.theclassicalliberal.com theclassicalliberal

          My bad. Guess my sarcasm meter was a little off.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    What a wonderful, and disturbing report, There’s more meat in this than anyone can possibly know. It tells us much, and I promise you, Dearborn is on a lot our radar screens.
    VB

  • feevert

    But since when are the police on terrorist payroll? Don’t police officers take an oath to uphold & protect our Constitution? None of those cops looked muslim, so how could they be such boot-licking dhimmis? I sure hope those Christian boys file a lawsuit ~ Pam Geller & Robert Spencer should be able to help, since they’re already fighting similar discrimination in Detroit.

    Oklahoma got it right ~ we need to pass anti-sharia laws BEFORE this stuff happens!

  • EagleWatcher

    We are now a nation ruled by who has the most suicide bombers.

    • myron_j_poltroonian

      As General Patton so famously said (and George C. Scott so famously quoted in his portrayal of him in “Patton”): “The ides is not to die for your country, but to make some other poor [spawn of unwedded bliss] die for his”. (Isn’t political correctness and too tender sensibilities just oh so wonderful?)

      • myron_j_poltroonian

        “ides” is, of course, supposed to be “idea”. Sorry.

  • mikerazar

    Where is the ACLU to defend the Christians? Maybe they are studying the Quran just to hedge their bets.

    If a Christian or Jew kills a gay person or a Moslem. that is (rightly) a crime but a Moslem may kill anyone even suspected of being gay or Christian or Jewish.

    Yet the left has no problem allying itself with Islam. Maybe not so surprising. Didn’t Fidel ban homosexuality in Cuba? Hmmmm.

    • aesthete

      to help out with this case. Nothing lost by asking, and I know of a couple of cases where they have defended Christians’ First Amendment rights from the state. They supported the rights of the Nazi marchers in Skokie, IN, and I don’t think they see Christians as worse than those guys.

      • nepanyrush

        The ACLU defense of the Nazi marchers in Skokie was in 1977. It does not seem to me that the ACLU has the same standards today. I would like to know other examples like Skokie that are more recent, because at least then the ACLU would be consistent.

        But it seems that there are many civil rights issues that have arisen recently that they are ignoring, including the collection of email addresses by the Obama administration, the tapping of cell phones by the Obama administration, and the requirement that people have to buy health insurance — to name a few. They are there immediately when it is a Republican they oppose. Liberals seem to get a pass.

        • aesthete

          against the first two, as they did with Bush. They are also representing a homeschooler in Cali who was taken from his parents by CPS for some BS about his not being educated to the incredibly high standards of our public schools. In addition, they are opposed to the DISCLOSE Act. They are pretty crappy on the issue of the 2nd Amendment, and have the same over-broad view of general welfare and interstate commerce as other libs, but they’re pretty decent on most of the Bill of Rights.

          • aesthete

            it’s worth an ask. If they say no, we can rag on them. If they say yes, they get good legal counsel. It’s a win-win :)

          • realskinny

            high profile case on the conservative side once in a while so they can say they’re unbiased. Maybe one out of fifty cases do not forward the left agenda.

          • aesthete

            if that’s the case, wouldn’t it be grand if they took this case as one of those?

      • sccrenny

        I’m pretty sure they do (see Christians as worse than KKK), aesthete. But maybe they will lower their standards a little more and take it on anyway. You’re right, no harm in asking. Wouldn’t it be wonderful for the ACLJ and ACLU to side together?

    • throwback59

      never the same, to me.
      Sharia
      Say it loud and there’s Mujahadeen playing…
      Say it soft and they’ll force us into praying
      Sharia…
      I’ll never stop fighting, Sharia!

      • mikerazar
    • OccamsRazor

      misunderstanding, and hypocracsy will be realized-by historians.

  • aesthete

    If it was, I suppose that the owners have the right to do whatever fool thing they want on it. OTOH, if it’s public property, this is a travesty which should be opposed by all.

    • drucifer667

      the “Arab Festival” is on public property as well.

      • aesthete

        So not only were they not violating anyone’s right to property, they were being extra courteous in not disrupting the Arab Festival, which they had every right to do. What on Earth was the justification used by the police?

    • cabanon

      Lots of cities and towns make it unlawful to post bills or distribute materials for promotional purposes unless you apply for and receive a permit. Others put very specific requirements on the practice. I’m betting the people in the video are not familiar with local ordinances.

      • JSobieski

        http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37621

        Wondering if they were arrested for passing out fliers in defiance of the ban, I asked David about the ban. He answered, ?Yes, we?re banned from handing out literature, but we didn?t do that. We followed the rules, and still got thrown in jail. They flat out lied about us. We can prove they lied with the video footage (just like last year), but the police took our cameras and won?t let us have the footage. There?s major oppression of anyone who criticizes Islam.?

        Although it was not an Arab Muslim festival, Arab Christians were nonetheless impeded as well:

        Nor was what happened to David and Nabeel an isolated incident. In June 2009, law enforcement again caved to the demands of Islamic supremacists in Dearborn, in breach of rights guaranteed in the Constitution. The Dearborn Police Department told the group Arabic Christian Perspective (ACP) that they could not hand out literature to Muslims at the Arab Festival on public sidewalks, but had to stay on a single corner and not mingle among the people at the festival.

        • cabanon

          clearly state that they intend to hand out materials and then proceed to distribute their materials. So when you say “they” I assume you are talking about the separate incident which you link to.

          But even that incident is suspect, police have broad authority to arrest in instances where people are inciting public disorder.

          • myron_j_poltroonian

            Sorry, wrong topic. I think I get your point vis ? vis: ” … police have broad authority to arrest in instances where people are inciting public disorder.” By that, one may assume that the Christian’s were being “saved” by the boys in blue from being stoned to death or simply beheaded by the practitioners of the religion of peace. N’est-ce pass?

          • JSobieski

            in large part, because its just easier.

          • mikerazar

            because it’s just easier

      • sccrenny

        they couldn’t distribute the material. Just not within 5 blocks of the festival. The clear message here is they can proselytize anyone except muslims.

  • pirate55

    I would encourage every single member of Red State and conservative Americans everywhere to e-mail Chief Haddad of the Dearborn Police Department as I just did as follows….

    Could you please provide for me your Michigan State Law or City of Dearborn Ordinance which prohibits the photography-videotaping of your police officers or of the distribution of religious literature, pursuant to the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

    Let’s get involved everyone. It is now time.

    • XOT

      I am not expecting any substancial reponse, but who knows . . .

  • disintelligentsia

    IAAL. I would immediately file for an Order to Show Cause why an injunction should not be issued against the Dearborn police from even CONTACTING these people and specifically order that the group be permitted to record all interactions with the police (similar to a domestic violence restraining order where you can record the other party).

    Then I would sue each of the officers involved under 42 USC 1983 for deprivation of their civil rights under color of law, battery and wrongful arrest. If an officer tells you to turn off your camera or give it to him, inform him that you do not consent to a taking or a search without a warrant and that you have the right to record your interactions with him and that you wish to record in order to preserve evidence for your own defense. The police have already shown that they have no regard for the law, what makes you think they’ll behave BETTER when the camera is off?

    • disintelligentsia

      I am licensed in CA, not MI and am not undertaking to represent anyone in MI. They need to find local counsel who will do them justice. Good luck to them. Considering that three of the four bloggers on Powerline are attorneys, they’re probably well on their way to being lawyered up.

  • aesthete

    recording an officer while he is going about his duties in public is against the law. I think that it’s the same in Michigan. I don’t see how these laws aren’t un-Constitutional, and they should be overturned, but unfortunately, someone was stupid enough to think it was a good law for several states.

    On the rest, is there somewhere that we can forward this info to, so that the proselytizers don’t accidentally discard their rights?

    • aesthete
  • eastbaylarry

    Was the law involved ever specified?

    If this statement is based solely upon Sharia law, well, WTF?

  • luko

    I’m not a conservative so I usually keep my opinions to myself on this site but here I agree with you. Handing out tracts and talking to people at big public gatherings is as American as apple pie. It doesn’t matter if you are a moonie or whatever, nobody should be offended by you standing out on the sidewalk engaging passers-by.

    Regards.

  • propagandaink

    involved should be ashamed. I would hope that police and military everywhere would be able to delineate between insanity and the constitution, Clearly we all have to pause a moment and wonder if we are really in good hands when it all hits the fan.

  • yendor

    has anyone contacted the American Center for Law and Justice?
    They done some pretty amazing things helping Christians in this country.

    http://www.aclj.org

  • Dan McLaughlin

    8 cops? You generally don’t get that many responding to a bank robbery. Watch on the video how quickly they come pouring out.

    • JSobieski

      There is a lot of pressure on the cops from all sorts of conflicting directions. Probably the WORST city in the US to work as a police officer. The political pressures there are immense. Anybody follow the investigation of the Immam with 20 some odd bullet holes in him after the FBI approached him? I never saw a mention of the story in the national news.

  • novaff

    Most of what can be said has been said about this ridiculous situation, but I take some issue with the title of this article (Amerabia) and the direct correlations seeming to be drawn between Arabs and Muslims. There are thousands of Arab Christians around the world and most Arabs in the US are actually Christian. Arab does not equal Muslim and Arab does not equal Shari’a.

    Beyond this, many Arabs are also, in fact, conservatives.

    • JSobieski

      Despite the large Chaldean community in this area, the Arab festival is a religious diversity free zone. Some folks last year (same as in this years video) actually tried to attend and engage some of their free speech rights.

      That didn’t work out to well either. The reason why 8 cops popped out out of nowhere is that certain elements in the city raise all sorts of hell on local government to get their way. Bullying at its worst.

      Bottom Line: Don’t exhibit non-Muslim views or behavior at an Arab even. That lesson has clearly been established.

    • JSobieski

      at local “Arab” events, Arab does = Muslim AND
      Muslim does = Sharia/Shariah/Shari’a

      Try putting on an “Egyption Copt” t-shirt and see how long you last!

      • techsan

        Try putting on an ?Egyption Copt? t-shirt and see how long you last!

        Put that together with two strategically placed Army of David cameras and it could ignite a skirmish that could change the course of events. Someone would literally be risking his/her life, likely get arrested, and probably need to move if local.

        As I type this it’s sad to consider that, on American soil, I need consider these possibilities. As an American, I could walk into a group of other Americans(?)…and said group of Americans(?) so intimidate law enforcement that they feel the need to extricate me from the situation…law enforcement cannot assume the situation will self-police out of respect for authroity (as it does in conservative/traditional/normal America). Who is really running things?

        • JSobieski

          The article actually mentioned an Arab Christian group—and they weren’t treated any better even though they were Arabs at an Arab festival.

          Sharia law aside, every “Arab” group in the area is dominated by Muslims with a few non-muslim dhimmis as an occational spokesperson,

          Arabic is a language. Arab is an ethnicity. There are plenty of non-Arab Muslims and plenty of Arabs or who are non-Muslims. However, in this area, the Arab groups I see and hear on the radio seem very CAIR-like.

          I feel bad for the Chaldeans and worse for the Copts.

          • aesthete

            Unfortunately, even our own side is prone to such things: during the protest in NYC against the mosque at Ground Zero, the crowd supposedly got worked up when they saw some Egyptian Copts in the crowd, and shouted derogatory slurs at them, thinking them Muslim Arabs. It’s made all the worse by the fact that the Copts in question had traveled several hours to join the protest (understandable, considering what they’re put through in Egypt by the reigning Muslim population)!

          • JSobieski

            nt

          • aesthete
  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    Pamela Geller has it on Atlas Shrugs.

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/06/broadcasting-abd-blaring-the-call-to-prayer-in-nyc.html

    Commentary…… From me ?

    Naaaaaah.

    Just because I’m an Eeeeevil Jooooooooooo, why should I get even remotely upset about a bunch of genocidal maniacs going arse-up peace lovers praying five times a day on the streets of NY City ?

    I live in Florida.

    It can’t happen here.

    Besides, we still have salt on the tables at our restaurants.

    (Gee, will anyone see the snark in my words ? I doubt it………. Fatwas will be issued !)

  • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

    1) On the surface this brings to mind the similar arrest of Jews for Jesus worker(s?) on public property in Oyster Bay in 2007. No sharia there, however; it was merely a local ordinance by an image-conscious town involving permitting. That case was only just resolved with, I believe, damages and revocation of the ordinance: Newsday link is all I can grab at the moment. Was there a similar ordinance in Dearborn? Whether or no, Oyster Bay may give some teeth to this case.

    2) the evangelists should really get in touch with ADF/Alliance Defense Fund. They are the best with First-A cases; they have brilliantly handled a case involving our church for the past 15 years.

  • Menlo
  • caseoftheblues

    ….what has and is happening in an American city is the government via the police are NOT allowing one group of citizens to practice their religion and FORCING them to adhere to the tenets of another religion (islam-sharia). Talk about a violation of civil rights. What do you think would be happening to a town that say thought the old lunch counter segregation thing was something they wanted and 8 offciers showed up to kick out and arrest some black guys for sitting at it….Eric Holder would be all over it and the MSM would be covering it 24/7…but this….nothing…crickets….even Drudge…not a peep….guess only some people actually have civil rights that can be violated..

  • caseoftheblues

    ….what has and is happening in an American city is the government via the police are NOT allowing one group of citizens to practice their religion and FORCING them to adhere to the tenets of another religion (islam-sharia). Talk about a violation of civil rights. What do you think would be happening to a town that say thought the old lunch counter segregation thing was something they wanted and 8 offciers showed up to kick out and arrest some black guys for sitting at it….Eric Holder would be all over it and the MSM would be covering it 24/7…but this….nothing…crickets….even Drudge…not a peep….guess only some people actually have civil rights that can be violated..

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    Converting to Islam would have saved Michael Jackson, says his brother Jermaine.

    http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/islam-would-have-saved-michael-jackson-says-brother-20100624-z3ca.html

    “I felt that if Michael would have embraced Islam he would still be here today and I say that for many reasons,” Jermaine Jackson, who is a Muslim, told BBC World Service radio.

    ====================

    Really ?

    The bomb-tossing, kill-everyone-not-like-themselves peace lovers – they would have taken one look The Gloved One and “zzzzzzip !”, off with his head.

  • doncorleone

    This suburb has been and is the perfect petri-dish. I lived there for a couple of months, when I first moved to detroit for a job in the mid-’80′s. My fellow trainers and I didn’t research the neighborhood, we were the only non-arabs in the area. We could sit on our balcony, and hear evening prayers echoing throughout the neighborhood. Try doing that anywhere else. With 50 years of “democratic” rule in detroit, sharia had plenty of “fertilizer” in which to grow and thrive. Also, in the ’90′s, I seem to recall a t.v. miniseries, where domestic terrorists attacked the U.S. based out of dearborn.

  • mailloux

    I may be a day late and a dollar short (my online time is often sporadic), but I want to express my heartfelt thanks for promoting this diary to the front page. It’s a great privilege and it’s a great honor.

    Take Care, mailloux

  • scullymj

    Haddad in the Arabic equivalent of the name: Smith.

    Is Chief Haddad a practicing Moslem? I believe this to be a relevant question.

  • trilogy

    If you think Sharia Law could not happen in the United States think again, it has already been Creeping into our society through Shari’a Financing.

    Look at what is happening in Europe because of allowing Shari’a into their society. see this article here http://www.euro-islam.info/key-issues/islamic-law/

    I would suggest starting with this article http://www.terrorfinance.org/the_terror_finance_blog/2008/06/sharia-finance.html

    Our own Government held a Seminar about Shari’a Financing see this article http://www.cnsnews.com/Public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=38902

    I could go on and on about this but just those few articles alone should wake some of us up about what the Islamic Terrorist will use in order to take over a country with Stealth Jihad by introducing Shari’a Finance first.

    • JSobieski

      because it leads to paying big bucks on an oingoing basis to Sharia finance consultants, with much of the money inevitably going to the Hezboobs, Hamas, et al.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    I’ve been on a different work schedule this past week and just now saw this. If this isn’t a Christian country. as Dear Leader says, then it certainly isn’t a Muslim country either. If he meant by that that this is a country of a wide variety of religions and beliefs, then why does Dearborn police arrest Christian protestors at a Muslim event? But we all know far too well of this O-ministrations other hidden agendas.

    Creeping Sharia, indeed. Just as dangerous to our freedoms as the DISCLOSE Act is to free speech.

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    Saw this linked on Jawa……….

    http://www.realcourage.org/2010/06/chicago-ht-2010

    The Chicago Marriott Oak Brook hotel states that the July 11 public conference by the Hizb ut-Tahrir America will not be held at that location. The anti-democracy political group, Hizb ut-Tahrir America, had widely promoted the Chicago Marriott Oak Brook hotel as the site for their second public conference, through social media and YouTube. Responsible for Equality And Liberty (R.E.A.L.) learned today that the Chicago Marriott Oak Brook hotel has decided that the hotel will not to be the site for that event. The Hizb ut-Tahrir America has not yet advised its supporters of the planned change, and is not available for comment.

    —————————–

    Best guess floating around the interwebby thing is The Marriott Corp. doesn’t want to run afoul of the government mandate about supporting terrorism, otherwise this was gonna happen because the hall was rented and paid for……. to Marriott, it was just another catered event.

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