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FAIL: Crooks and Liars Claims Evil Minnesota Republicans Are Making it Illegal for Poor People to have Cash

[promoted from the diaries-- streiff]

As part of the Left’s ongoing quest to make every attempt at welfare reform look like the opening scene from Oliver Twist, Susie Madrak of Crooks and Liars has written a profoundly misleading and wrong-headed piece that might better have been entitled “Please Sir, Can I Have Some More Cash?”

Relying heavily on unimpeachable sources such as FightBack!News (“News and Views from the Peoples’ Struggle”) Ms. Madrak weaves a tale in which Minnesota has surpassed Fascist Arizona in sheer villainy with its now infamous “Show Me Your Paper Money” law. On the off-chance you haven’t heard of this law, and aren’t already vibrating with outrage, Ms. Madrak is quick to enlighten you.

They’re not just crazy, they’re evil — and un-Christian, should they have the audacity to claim otherwise. If only we could force them to live like this, they wouldn’t last a week:

“St. Paul, MN – Minnesota Republicans are pushing legislation that would make it a crime for people on public assistance to have more $20 in cash in their pockets any given month. This represents a change from their initial proposal, which banned them from having any money at all.”

[From "Minnesota Republicans say: Poor people with money should be outlaws" — FightBack!News]

The apparent source of this whisper down the lane exercise was one Angel Buechner of the Welfare Rights Committee who testified on March 15 in front of the House Health and Human Services Reform Committee:

Buechner told committee members, “We would like to address the provision that makes it illegal for MFIP [one of Minnesota’s welfare programs] families to withdraw cash from the cash portion of the MFIP grant – and in fact, appears to make it illegal for MFIP families to have any type of money at all in their pockets. [Emphasis mine.]

It should be axiomatic by now that what appears to be true to groups like the Welfare Rights Committee isn’t necessarily the reality of things, and that rhetorical flourishes — to put the most charitable face on Ms. Buechner’s remarks — such as these should not be presented as undisputed fact, but I don’t get the feeling Ms. Madrak and her comrades spend a whole lot of time pondering issues of logic.

Instead, like other such sober and measured assertions (“Republicans Want to Beat Poor People with Flat Stick!” comes to mind) this one predictably went viral more or less immediately. Unhappily for the Keebler cookie elves who dutifully reproduce such things the story is palpably false.

Not that a web site offering “News and Views from the Peoples’ Struggle” shouldn’t always be taken at face value, but perhaps if Ms. Madrak had taken a quick peek at the actual bill – before picking up the cudgels — it might have dawned on her that the chroniclers of the peoples’ struggle had let her down this time.

Section 1. [256.9870] ELECTRONIC BENEFIT TRANSFER DEBIT CARD.

Subdivision 1. Electronic benefit transfer or EBT debit card. (a) Electronic benefit transfer (EBT) debit cardholders in the general assistance program and the Minnesota supplemental aid program under chapter 256D and programs under chapter 256J are prohibited from withdrawing cash from an automatic teller machine or receiving cash from vendors with the EBT debit card. The EBT debit card may only be used as a debit card.

Beginning July 1, 2011, cash benefits for programs listed under paragraph (a) must be issued on a separate EBT card with the head of household’s name printed on the card. The card must also state that “It is unlawful to use this card to purchase tobacco products or alcoholic beverages.” This card must be issued within 30 calendar days of an eligibility determination. During the initial 30 calendar days of eligibility, a recipient may have cash benefits issued on an EBT card without the recipient’s name printed on the card. This card may be the same card on which food support is issued and does not need to meet the requirements of this section.

Notwithstanding paragraph (a), EBT cardholders may opt to have up to $20 per month accessible via automatic teller machine or receive up to $20 cash back from a vendor.

Please note the remarkable absence of references to grandpa shelling out $21 in crumpled one dollar bills for the kids’ ice-cream (in the same imaginary Baskin Robbins where our president spends most of his time) and suffering a living hell of prosecution and public humiliation as a consequence.

In fact, you can examine this passage with any number of decryption algorithms and you won’t find anything remotely resembling a penalty on how much cash a public assistance recipient can have on him at any given time. What you will find is an altogether sensible, and probably way overdue, prohibition against converting the electronic equivalent of food stamps into untraceable cash.

Put more bluntly, when abuses — like using the EBT card to get tattoos — are so flagrant that local news outlets are catching on, people’s noses — especially those people whose taxes are actually paying for those tattoos — get out of joint. It’s nothing personal, it’s not about your body design decisions. It’s just that if you want “Born to Raise Hell” carved into your arm you should pony up the cash yourself, as well as sufficient cash for whatever distilled beverage makes that seem like a good idea.

The fact that government stewards would actually want some accountability and control over how taxpayer money is spent exercises Ms. Madrak no end. How will these people pay their bills, ride the bus, live a LIFE for God’s sake?

Angel Buechner again:

How do you expect people to take care of business like paying bills such as lights, gas, water, trash and phone?”[...]

And Freakout Nation:

GOPers in Minnesota seem to be suffering from memory loss; an unemployed person has to utilize public transit to go out in the world and be proactive in seeking work. Instead, they present the poor with isolation, not letting them use their debit card, sit home and not seek employment. The poor can stay poor because they don’t give a damn.

Again, this is basically about food stamps – particular delivery system notwithstanding – and the wild and crazy notion that they should be used essentially for — oh I don’t know — food. The idea that recipients have a God-given right to use the EBT card as a kind of rolling slush fund evinces a form of memory loss well in excess of anything the GOP is capable of. As these self-appointed defenders of the downtrodden well know — even as they spin these Dickensian scenarios — there is an array of other programs that the truly needy (and, unfortunately, some not so needy) can tap into that have nothing to do with the bill in question.

But that’s not the most egregious falsehood.

While this will doubtless come as a bolt out of the blue to Ms. Madrak and her ilk, people – even poor people – are not helpless. They are not merely passive receptacles of government largesse, and, given half a chance, will make economic decisions that will keep a roof over their head and the lights on. Someone who is truly looking for work will scare up the bus fare to go to an interview. Someone who needs to keep his telephone connected will cut the cable for a while. (Susie, I know it will come as a shock to you that the poorest among us have amenities unavailable to all but the wealthiest in truly poor nations, but cope.)

But inasmuch as this does not conform to the Left’s default scenario of evil plutocrats in stove-pipe hats tying poor people to the railway tracks it will be largely ignored. Disinformation is a terrible thing to waste.

(Cross-posted at NewsReal Blog.)

COMMENTS

  • mustango

    Common sense should tell even the most casual observer, regardless of political orientation, that the amount of cash carried an individual is carrying on their person is something that is entirely un-policeable and any law regarding in completely unenforceable and thus, can hardly be the intent of any law passed in this day and age.

    And yet, the left blogosphere is willing, nay, eager to assume such an insane provision actually appears in the law. Because that is how they think we think.

    We’ve endured for a very long time caricatures of ourselves that we don’t even recognize as such because they’re just so far removed from what we know about ourselves. And still, the purveyors and consumers of said caricatures press onward, literally accepting the presumption of our insanity without question.

    One prays we’re just looking at the fringes here. One hopes that there is a wide mainstream of Democrats who largely ignore the rantings of the Madraks of this world, and would disassociate themselves with such talk if confronted with it.

    Because otherwise, this is a state of affairs that can hardly end well for anyone.

    • dianecee

      Geez,,,,if one is on welfare they receive free housing, free phone, free water, free heat, free programs for their kids, etc. They should not be given cash, too. Has anyone in the progressive party ever taught it’s voter base the word “earn”? Welfare recipients expect too much and they need a wake up call. I truly doubt that even one of them is riding public transportation to seek work

      • hendrig

        Reminds me of an old phrase. “Welfare Cadillac”.

    • myron_j_poltroonian

      You noted: “And yet, the left blogosphere is willing, nay, eager to assume such an insane provision actually appears in the law. Because that is how they think we think.” My disagreement is your use of the word “Think”. They “Know” (through leftist osmosis, most likely), they “Feel” and they “Emote”, but they do not “Think”. They just piously tell you that you may have your own “Opinion” (only you may not express it, if they don’t like it), but you can’t have your own “Facts”. And, of course, “They” are the arbiter of what are and are not “Facts”.

  • lineholder

    I went to the grocery story over the weekend and watched someone purchase their groceries with food stamps. Then they walked outside and put these groceries in the back seat of a car that was less than a year old.

    There are regulations included in the our welfare provision laws that limit the value of assets a person can own (such as a vehicle) and still be eligible for these welfare programs. These regulations aren’t enforced. They get violated all the time. There are plenty of people who are guilty of misusing and abusing the system on this point.

    If the left had a lick of sense, they would count their lucky stars that the states haven’t made the decision to crack down on violations of the law. And they would keep their opinions to themselves rather than draw even more attention to these violations.

    • spiritofreagan

      that the person was n their car. My son is on assistance and often because they don’t hve a car they borrow my less than yer old car. In PA you arn’t allowed to have a car payment and get assistance.

      • lineholder

        There are a few single mothers that I know who receive various forms of welfare assistance. They are innately honest and would not deliberately or intentionally go out of their way to defraud the system or break the law. They just aren’t that kind of people.

        But there are people who will do this. As far as they are concerned, they are entitled to that support and the end justifies the means of whatever they want to do provided that they get that money from the government. After all, who is gonna’ know? Who is gonna’ say anything about it? Who will do anything about it, right?

        I know it sounds harsh, but we have some federal employees who really aren’t that far off from the videos we’ve seen of PP and Acorn when it comes to “helping” people get the “support they deserve” from the government.

        In this particular case, it wasn’t an assumption. I wish it was, in a lot of ways, but it wasn’t. The person had two school-aged children with them, helping to carrying groceries to the car, and one of the kids said “There’s our car, Mama”. So there was a basis for what I’ve stated above.

        I’d love to believe that all of the people receiving welfare assistance respected the program and respected the hard-earned dollars that taxpayers contribute to it. I’ve just learned over time that it isn’t always the truth.

  • bay0wulf

    I have watched huge abuses of the Food Stamp, Welfare and Government Assistance Systems for years. There are truly some people who really do need it but, they are a relatively small percentage of those who receive it.

    As much as I hesitate to say it, the Systems need MORE oversight, stricter controls and tighter requirements for eligibility.

    I am accustomed to, and disgusted by, seeing huge baskets of high ticket groceries being paid for with Food Stamps or WIC Cards. I know for a fact that there are those out there who pay cash … usually 20 cents on the dollar (or less) … for the “right” to use the Stamps or Cards. Then there’s the deal where the actual recipient buys what they are told to buy and that is then purchased at a greatly reduced rate for cash.

    In certain neighborhoods there are actual “drives” to distribute applications for assistance. Actual assistance provided to fill out these forms. The chinese area of Brooklyn has experienced this often. The people, having come from a communist country, do not understand that this is an acknowledgment of their inability to support themselves. Its just another “Government Program” which is what they are used to in China. When the System is explained to them, many become indignant and immediately trash the application or discontinue their acceptance of the benefits. I know this because I have explained it often with mostly the same results.

    We need to keep the pressure on the system for many of the coming years. We need to continue to hold the feet of those we have elected to the fire. We have to beat back over 70 years of

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      got a nice job in Baltimore, MD. He went around investigating people who committed Food Stamp Fraud. They became a defacto 2nd currency for things like drugs, hookers and cigarrettes. It was pathetic.

    • lineholder

      Here’s a program we could cut tomorrow and never miss it one bit
      http://www.redstate.com/lineholder/2011/03/20/u-visas-and-interim-citizenship/

      • bay0wulf

        Never saw that before …

        Kind of depressing that we have such “humanitarian” garbage draped around our necks. I know that its all fuzzy-wuzzy feel-good but … gimme a break!

  • WarEagle01

    As long as Susie Madrak keeps saying it over and over again. That’s the usual method employed by these people to turn Lefttard fairy tales into indisputable fact.

  • WarEagle01

    As long as Susie Madrak keeps saying it over and over again. That’s the usual method employed by these people to turn Lefttard fairy tales into indisputable fact.

  • carolina

    and strip joints, you know there is a lot of abuse ‘out there’ with all of these systems. FREE MONEY is an insidious incentive to cheat. I know of way too many people on SS disability who work ‘under the table’ and have a very comfortable time of it.
    The bureaurocrats have little incentive and less interest in taking the effort to fight the “waste, fraud, and abuse”.
    I also imagine dedicated auditors could pay for themselves – especially if assigned to the big money programs like medicaid, SS, and medicare.

  • lineholder

    private sector businesses experienced in financial auditing were to apply to Republican state Governors to take on this kind of task? Do you think it would reduce this fraud, waste and abuse?

    Just a thought.

  • lineholder

    would go apoplectic. Sorry, can’t help but chuckle just thinking about it.

  • carolina

    the financial side of the ‘business’. Financial audits can catch the crooks, but program management audits could identify major systematic problems and identify areas for significant improvement. REAL opportunities for savings would become obvious.

  • carolina

    the financial side of the ‘business’. Financial audits can catch the crooks, but program management audits could identify major systematic problems and identify areas for significant improvement. REAL opportunities for savings would become obvious.

  • lineholder

    we have duplicate agencies at both federal and state levels. I know that at least the Republicans know how to construct flow charts because they used one for Obamacare.

    What you’ve stated here is a big-time no brainer that Repubs in Congress could tackle head on right NOW without having to face any of the claims, fears or other nonsense about “shutting down the government”

    Just getting rid of the duplicates alone and then putting efficiencies in the one that is left would save us a lot of money.

  • leefox

    The left never lets facts get in the way of their outrageous tales told to instill fear, prejudice, and hatred in the hearts of their audience.

  • rickbull

    but I’m rather getting used to being portrayed as Snidely Whiplash — surrounded by massive hordes of moronic Dudley Doorights (especially those in the lamestream media).

    But who did the country turn to in 1980 when Dudley Carter was dragging us down the toilet with him? That’s right: Snidley Wilson Reagan.

  • rivahmitch

    Eliminate the welfare program and you eliminate the problem.

  • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

    “What you are claiming is a blatant, bald face lie.

    NOWHERE in the does it say what you claiming does.

    Here is a link to the one-page bill: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill.php?bill=H0171.1.html&session=ls87

    I expect to see a retraction on the front page of your site. ”

    However, “Your comment has been queued for moderation by site administrators and will be published after approval.” – so it will not get published.

  • http://www.liberallyconservative.com Liberally Conservative

    And all because we’re asking for our ATM cards back.

    Pooh Hooh – shame on us.

  • prior21us

    Great diary Mr. Meed. And thanks to Streiff for bringing it to the Morning Briefing. Food stamps and Welfare have long been a problem and it is about time we took it head on.

    Thanks

  • myron_j_poltroonian