Bring It: The Debt Deniers Will Lose


The Debt Deniers wage a rebellion in Wisconsin. Bring it.

Wisconsin unions rebel at the notion, that they, like every other American must contribute to their own retirement. They cry because, like every other American, they may have to pay a percentage of their own health care.

Who is out of touch again?

It’s a rhetorical question, but let me answer it for you: President Barack Obama. He has voiced his solidarity with the unions and Organizing for America, his organization, called Wisconsinites to arms (metaphorically). Does it seem unseemly to you that the President is choosing the unions over the out-of work taxpayers? Another rhetorical question.

Clearly, these unions jerks don’t understand this:
Gallup: Unemployment at 10%

While union workers have increased across America, increasing the tax burden on the private sector, private sector employees are out of work.

While union workers bitch about benefits cuts, people without jobs don’t have benefits or a job.

While union workers march because they might have to contribute to their health care costs, small business owners face having their Health Savings Accounts taken away by Obamacare.

Where unions once held a place of respect and honor in America, their collective star falls fast. And President Obama, union stooge and Debt Denier, falls with them.

How long can these people operate in a parallel universe where they suffer no consequences from this horrendous economy? Worse than sucking tax dollars out of the system is their sense of entitlement to tax dollars they take.

Forced union membership. Forced dues. Forced political activity. Forced tax payer pillage. The unions have become a force for all that is bad about the American economy.

The union thugs and their Supreme Leader Barack Obama have decided to Bring It. The Wisconsin Senators run and hide rather than be participants in a sensible way to save the Wisconsin state budget.

Fine. Bring it. Reveal to America who you really are: selfish, greedy, parasitic, overpaid, overindulged, out-of-touch, entitled workers who put your own interests over the interests of your fellow citizens, over children, over common sense.

Debt Deniers will lose.


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Outdoing Christie

jcrestonm (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 3:47PM EDT (link)

I have a feeling that we will have about another half dozen Chris Christie’s by the time this is all said and done. Scott Walker seems to actually be outdoing Christie as Chris Christie has yet to have his opposition flee the state. *smiles*

Ronald Reagan: “I notice that everybody who is Pro-Abortion has already been born.”

 

Silly Denialists!

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 3:56PM EDT (link)

The Bond Market will convince us all that this is a case of settled science.

Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler

 

misplaced angst

techsan (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

Walker is getting attacked for standing up and saying he has a constitutional requirement to balance the budget. Employment costs are one large area to manage….and he’s finally doing it.

What’s missing (unsurprisingly) in the discussion right now is that for 2+ years our economy has been in the tank. Unions and school boards had 2+ years to cut back salary and benefits slightly to keep the voting public happy. They didn’t do that. In fact, they put down the gas pedal and asked for more (or accepted the more that was already contracted for).

So, here we are, still in the same hole. But now, due to union/school board callousness needing to cut back teacher take-home pay by $1000s. This will not be easy for them. I wish the union/school board collective wasn’t so callous to lead to this. They could have been much nicer and slowly cut back to allow teachers to adjust their life styles along the way.

In the end, all we have on our side of the debate are facts and history.

 

No sacred cows.

Glaucon (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 4:20PM EDT (link)

Government employees are going to have to feel the pinch just like the private sector. Reduced wages, reduced benefits and layoffs.

This basic truth must be realized: no one will voluntarily cut back. This applies to both government budgets and the Unions. Someone needs to say “no”, mean it and stick with it. Just like children being denied candy before dinner, there will be crying. It for the good of everyone, and in reality, most of them already know that. It’s probably just human nature that they feel the need to throw the biggest tantrum possible before acquiescing to reality.

sacred cows make the best hamburger. [nt]

acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 5:16PM EDT (link)

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I think the public employee unions are flailing

carolina Thursday, February 17th at 4:23PM EDT (link)

through their death-throes. They are doing a great job of convincing the undecided that UNIONS are greedy thugs.

Lets hope your right! nt

nessa (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 5:03PM EDT (link)

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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Almost wishing Art Chance were still here...

acat (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 5:06PM EDT (link)

just for the inevitable comments he’d make about the nature of unions, especially “skirt unions” (i.e. office-worker unions, as opposed to shop floor unions)

I think the case can be made for some public sector unions – police, fire, maybe EMTs – but .. not for fungible office help.

Mew

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Yep ... I'm sure Art would have a lot to say

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 5:23PM EDT (link)

about the approach to take against the unions.

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We have Labor Union Report to give advice on unions...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 6:54PM EDT (link)

and he unlike Art Chance does not feel the need to denigrate other posters on this site with each and every comment. I am glad he is not here, this is a much more amenable site to participate at because he is not present!

 
 

Yep ... I'm sure Art would have a lot to say

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 5:23PM EDT (link)

about the approach to take against the unions.

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I agree.

writeblock Friday, February 18th at 3:55AM EDT (link)

Rallying a mob only has political clout if it’s perceived as representing public sentiment–which is why the Tea Party is much feared. But in WI public sentiment was expressed in 2010 with the tsunami that washed over the Democrats. Politicians in the state know full well where the people stand–and consequently where the power lies. The unions may huff and puff, but all they have left are vain threats and whatever bullying tactics they can wanly muster up. Meanwhile the Democrats are digging themselves into a deeper hole by making asses of themselves. Sure the unions will scream and holler–but they’ve lost their clout and they know it. Walker knows it. Republicans know it. It’s all over but the shouting. They lost big time last November–just how big we’re now beginning to understand.

additionally

edwyrd (Diary) Friday, February 18th at 5:59AM EDT (link)

i would submit that this current public display of union entitlement as a ruling class will ignite the “class war” that obama has so unsucessfully attempted to start between the different economic classes.
only this war will be against HIM and his very own power base.

ouch, another lesson in watching out what you wish for, AND unintended consequences

tisk-tisk, what is that old phrase, “play with fire and you get burnt”?

“but men are different, they propound mathmatical theorms in beleaguered cities, conduct metaphysical arguments in condemned cells, make jokes on scaffolds, discuss the last new poem while advancing to the walls of quebec and comb their hair at thermopylae. it is our nature!
—C.S Lewis, weight of glory

 
 
 

Preach on

constitutionalconservative (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 4:25PM EDT (link)

Sister, Melissa.

Wisconsin is the first fight in what will be a long battle. But we have truth on our side, which is the best armor.

Right.

writeblock Friday, February 18th at 4:08AM EDT (link)

Ambitious Republican governors are not stupid. They will make their bones by crippling the unions. Christie showed the way. Now Walker. Kasich of OH soon to follow. In NY,even Cuomo has noticed that’s where the votes are. The left is cracking up, one of its pillars, the unions, is crumbling big-time. The media is confused. It would like to cover up but can’t. It knows the people know. It wants to split the difference–but it won’t work. The public has sources of information it lacked before–and it can’t be fooled by the same old bag of tricks.

 
 

25,000?

msctex (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 4:45PM EDT (link)

This morning, it was “hundreds.”

Is this another case of the Media’s willingness to inflate numbers when it serves the Greater Good?

(With Greater Good never actually defined, just instinctively recognized by people who believe their feelings can bring about change.)

 

Johnson has to be careful

Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 5:04PM EDT (link)

He doesn’t need to be careful about what he is doing, but he does need to be careful about how he sells it.

He needs to get on Fox news and really pound the teachers for ignoring their students.

Why, he should ask, didn’t they demonstrate on Saturday? Because they care more about their pensions than their students.

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True colors being shown

victrola Thursday, February 17th at 5:23PM EDT (link)

I would love to see accurate polling on how Wisconsin voters react to this. I would think parents would be outraged, especially just at having to find babysitters/daycare/take day off work because of teachers going on strike.

I can’t imagine this makes a positive case for the public-sector unions, especially since the demands being made are incredibly reasonable.

I’m hoping this really tuns the public nationwide against tax-payer supported unions.

Sadly, a lot of parents are FOR this up there

andysmith (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 7:03PM EDT (link)

I should screenshot my Facebook wall where you can see my teacher friends up in WI spreading their lies, and parents of their students are supporting this.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ”
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. ”
“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”

-The great Ronald Reagan
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Is the outrageous behavior here making Obama look

earlgrey (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 5:26PM EDT (link)

good in comparison. I just wonder if that is why he still has such high favorables. He has others doing his dirty work for him, while he pretends to stay above the fray.

 

I've kinda had it with Madison

andysmith (Diary) Thursday, February 17th at 7:00PM EDT (link)

I spent three summers up there and the city itself is quite nice. I still have a lot of friends that are up in Wisconsin who happen to be teachers, and of course, they’re giddy as all hell about the sickouts and their students being forced….I mean volunteering in the protests.
All I see on my Facebook wall is negative crap about Scott Walker and conservatives, and the lies they’re telling about having their rights taken away. They say they’re willing to make concessions, but they’ve not given any solutions except tax WI’s corporations and rich people even more. And now, evidently, the Green Bay Packers are supporting them. This makes me hate the Packers even more.
You know what, a friend of mine who works in a private sector electrical company had his hours cut. His company stopped matches to their retirement plan. Once hourse were cut and in order to keep from laying people off, they just started sending people home if there weren’t any jobs to do.
And now these Wisconsin Democrats perform the ultimate act of cowardice and probably had marching orders from national Democrats to run and hide so the bill can’t be voted on. No respect for November 2nd, no respsect for Democracy, and they should all be removed once they come back.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ”
“Government’s first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. ”
“Governments tend not to solve problems, only to rearrange them.”

-The great Ronald Reagan
www.rightreality.wordpress.com

70% of public support Walker according to a radio

carolina Thursday, February 17th at 7:45PM EDT (link)

talk show host interviewed via phone on Fox. I hope she is right. I would sure be in that 70% myself!
Zac Schultz of Madison radio being interviewed on Kudlow now….. he says reporters tracked the dems down in Rockford…… and that they are now in 14 different locations.
Rep. Vos being interviewed now…… calling out the union propaganda. He says the union negotiators left the bargaining table last Fall. Vos says the union will fail to intiminate the WI legislature…… AND THAT THIS BILL WILL PASS.
Average pay and benefits for a teacher in Milwaukee is $100,000. Average wage and benefits for WI state workers is $76,000.
Vos says the taxpayers are supportive and that he will do his job to take care of the tax payers.

 
 

Tea Party Crisis Management

drfredc Thursday, February 17th at 9:06PM EDT (link)

Ok, so there’s a fiscal crisis on union benefits. Don’t just sit in the corner and cower in fear of the unions.

It’s a crisis, use it to your advantage. Require all ‘defined benefit plans’ that receive any support from the Feds to be evolved into 401k plans by X date on a reasonable prodated process of contributions to these programs that the legislation would provide. Then, to simulate 401k growth, eliminate corporate taxation and reduce or eliminate dividend cap gains taxation so those with IRA/401k pensions can have higher stock and dividend growth.

The reality is one of the primary reasons the US has such a high corporate tax rate is the Democrats and their union buds have been using this to fuel their class envy schemes. With defined benefit plans, they have not skin in the game to see capitalism prosper.

It’s a Crisis — Change the (rules of the) game and make it so everyone wins…

Always, Fred C

 

FL has similar problems

citruscon Friday, February 18th at 10:17AM EDT (link)

Here in FL, we’ve got Mike Haridopolos and Rick Scott turning down debt to pay for a worthless train and people are going nuts about it too. We’re lucky to have guys like them, and hopefully someone like Mike can take down Bill Nelson next year.