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Sarah Palin’s Campaign Innovation

By: Melissa Clouthier (Diary) | May 27th, 2011 at 03:04 PM |

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Yesterday on Greta’s show, Greta asked Karl Rove about Sarah Palin’s bus tour. He seemed sort of bemused. He listed the ways she wasn’t doing things normally: no big fundraisers and donor meetings, no focusing on New Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina, and using social media to message.

Sarah Palin is breaking the mould.

Will it work? Who knows? Here’s her video announcing her bus tour:

One thing Sarah Palin is acknowledging is that the media world has changed. She’s embraced her ability to control the message by bypassing the traditional media. They’re forced to cover her anyway.

Meanwhile, a lot of other Republicans count success by a page 15 mention in the New York Times. They’re woefully behind the times on that account.

Sarah Palin is a savvy and flexible politician. Going her own way may scare some donors who are used to doing things the way they’ve always been done, but I would submit that the old ways haven’t worked so well.

Innovation and risk-taking in campaigning may well just be what will work. It is certainly interesting and worth watching. She’ll be showing a lot of other politicians how to (or not) do a modern political campaign.

Tags: Bus Tour, Campaign, Innovation, President, Sarah Palin

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rcatheart

If it’s “true” that anyone who doesn’t vote for Barack Obama is automatically a Big Racist Meanie… then would it also be “true” that if Sarah Palin got the nomination, we would be free to explicitly state that anyone who doesn’t vote for her is a Big Sexist Meanie?

It sure would be fun throw that one around at NOW…

George Neitz

That ALL Republicans are raaacist, sexist, homophobes. the NAGS will never support any Republican period male or female .
aesthete

have already lobbed that at non-fans, both liberal and conservative.

Warrior

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

johnt

or a protest vote for Nelson Rockefeller, someone in the mold of Alf Landon, a sponge, a doormat, someone who would make us feel good about ourselves as the Democrats and their bosses the media take us all to the cleaners and pick the bones. Someone who would be insulted & humiliated while the finishing touches are applied to the remnants of America. And whoever he, or it, is would suffer it all with a smile while he is accused of being divisive & fanning the flames of racism.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

another Bush.

uselogic

I’m just sayin’.

heshtesh

that Karl was not as dismissive regarding Palin as i would normally expect him to be. Do you think the establishment might finally be coming to the realization that something is happening and thier not in control of it?

http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

He understands he’s infinitely more employable as a pundit on Fox and the like if doesn’t get made into a useful idiot.

heshtesh

he certainly tried to see how close he could get to the edge and it looks like Karls decided to pull his toes back from the edge.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

In fact, Rove was 100% right about O’Donnell. She is a pathetic hack.

heshtesh

refering to O’Donnel but in fact refering to his opinions concerning Sarah Palin,and he did in fact take a step backwards last night.
http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

And Rove was still in attack dog mode in the general.

You do remember O’Donnell wrecked Mike Castle’s annointment, dontcha?

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Mike Castle’s annointment. And nothing changes the FACT that O’Donnell is a raving idiot. And, Rove was right.
Doc Holliday

but in the end he was right. I imagine O’donnell sipping Mai Tais at a Sandals resort paying with my money.
rightwingmom52

nobody deserves to have the vile, disgusting things said about them that she (and Palin) did by some of the left-wing bloggers. And I do not recall a single Republican man stand up and defend her honor. Not one. And that makes me ashamed of the men and angry on her behalf.
Doc Holliday

and she squandered it, and yet at the same time, failed to spend it all, that takes talent. What the media did was wrong, but she was not the right candidate, she let a lot of people down.
rightwingmom52

Yes, what the media did was wrong, but I find it shameful that the men in our party stood by and offered no defense of her honor. I’m not talking about her record or saying she was a good candidate or didn’t make some dumb mistakes, but it would have been the decent thing to do for the GOP to stand up and point out the indecency of the attacks. That would not have been an endorsement of her candidacy. Same thing for the attacks on Palin that are not about her record. I know Bush took a lot of heat, but even those attacks were not of the same kind of nature that conservative women get.

It does gall me though for Lindsay Graham to talk about O’Donnell being a poor candidate and losing the race when he didn’t lift a finger to help her. Who knows what might have happened if the GOP had offered her some guidance and support?
Doc Holliday

I met him at Walter Reed once and I respect him for going there. But the reality is he bashes his own constituency just so he can stay in the “cool crowd” inside the beltway. It is a shame to his great state that they don’t send him packing.

I see what you are saying RWM, you really don’t see individual Repubs stand up for women who are unfairly attacked. Men should do better, they are supposed to protect and defend. Too many of them are so worried about themselves, they don’t even consider sticking their neck out for others.

I see that even at this site. I have defended people that never took the opportunity to defend me. I have got in serious scraps with people when the only argument was over how they treated someone else, the argument had nothing to do with me other than I defended someone. And people I thought would defend me, took another course. That is fine, I think you and I are of like mind. I know I am not going to change, and when I think someone is unfairly attacked, I am going to defend them, and let the chips fall where they may.

I do expect more from men RWM, but I think when they come to power they become asexual beings. They only care where the wind is blowing. That is why I have really learned to respect a few people, like Rand Paul. Only a few are willing to fight the good fight without a lot of backup.
http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

in the last two weeks I defended Daniels, Pawlenty, and even Ron Paul. Not because I wanted to vote for them, but because they were being accused of things that were definitely exaggerations.

I won no friends I assure you.
Doc Holliday

a few of us will notice. too few for sure, but some.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Oh please.

I wouldn’t raise a finger to defend O’Donnell or Palin, or for that matter McCain, Bush, Romney, Rudy, Fred or any other politician.

Wanna be a politician, it comes with the territory, suck it up and fight back. I’m perfectly willing to say that the personal attacks on Palin and her family are over the top but frankly, I could care less. Comes with the job. O’Donnell, OTOH, set herself up and while I don’t like using the word “deserved” in relation to the attacks she got, I can’t think of a better one at this time of morning. One of the real issues I’ve got with Palin is the flimsy excuse she trotted out when she ran out of the Governor’s office, “My family is being attacked…” Get over it. What does she think is going to happen if she runs for President?

And to be clear, the Left was attacking Bush, I refused to defend him too. My rule of thumb is easy: if the politician under attack can’t or won’t defend him/herself, I’m not getting in the mud. If they fight back, I’m right there with a cannon.

And, FWIW, I sent CO’D $$, and it’s the worst $$ I’ve ever spent. Frankly, knowing what I knew shortly after the primary I wish I’d donated to Castle. She’s a complete fraud.
rightwingmom52

If politicians are too thin-skinned to take it, then they’ve no business running. Some may say that it’s best to ignore the vile, sexist attacks on conservative women like the ones Lori Z. discussed which O’Donnell did not deserve. Frankly, I think conservative women have handled the sexist attacks pretty well. Maybe I expect too much from the men in our party to step up and defend their honor (not their records). Call me old-fashioned, but I still like to see men open doors, give up their seats, not swear in front of women, and yes, defend their honor even when the women are perfectly capable of doing so themselves (like me). I guess I’m just funny that way, but for a man to stand by and say nothing strikes me as cowardly even when it’s in the realm of politics.

http://www.redstate.com/snarkandboobs/2010/10/29/gawker%E2%80%99s-misogynistic-smear-of-o%E2%80%99donnell-so-vile-left-shamed-into-condemning-it-but-did-they-really/
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

If you want to play in the big leagues, some fast ball pitchers are going to throw at your head.

If the candidate can’t handle the heat – and clearly CO’D didn’t & frankly I don’t think Palin did – tough.

I agree with you about common courtesy. But I don’t agree that anybody needs to be defending a politician who won’t articulate – and do it well – their own defense. Put up a solid defense, I’m there. Even if they don’t I’ll be willing to point out that the attacker is a puke, but I really want to see the candidate find a new line of work.

JX12

…than win with Bearded Marxist Lite. To win the seat and have the occupant vote against our interests more often than not anyway would have been just useless.

Nothing ventured nothing gained. We can agree that we could have fielded a better candidate than O’Donnell to challenge Castle in the primary, but be that as it may, Rove should have politely refrained from comment after she won the primary if he couldn’t say anything nice. He did not.

I’m not particularly interested in anything Rove has to say anymore.

Doc Holliday

if they give us more O’donnell’s and that joke from Nevada. The loss to Reid was unforgivable. Anyone at this site could have defeated Reid with the Repub party’s support, ANYONE.
http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

The Tea parties were so new and spontaneous that there was little time to get their act together.

I think we will see better candidates from this point on.
romeg

and the Sharon Angle’s, whom I thought was a serious candidate and gave the POS Reid one helluva run, in exchange for sweeps such as we experienced in November, arguably a result of the Tea Party Movement.

While the perfect candidate doesn’t exist the opposition is abundantly clear and must be defeated. The one danger presented by those claiming the “Tea Party” as their banner is exemplified by the loss of NY26. Claiming to represent the movement and actually BEING PART OF IT requires some due diligence on the part of voters. A clear contrast

The Tea Party challenger in NY26 was about as in tune with Tea Party activists and the movement as Barry O. His sole intent was to destroy the candidacy of the Republican in the race and he was magnificently successful in that regard.

As for the campaign for the Presidency, it is far too early in the race to be dumping on our candidates unless it is so clear that they are stealth Liberals that action must be taken to terminate their candidacy. We have a very wide range of philosophies represented in those who have declared thus far from Ron Paul to John Huntsman. While I’m not likely to vote for either of them in the Primaries between now and November 2012, I’ll sure as hell vote for either or BOTH if they become the ticket for the GOP.

Obama must be stopped. The Democrats MUST be driven from power before they completely destroy what is left of the economy and our way of life. That is our objective. In the mean time I’ll focus on what I LIKE about a candidate more so than what I dislike.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

that idiots feel the need to justify. Both Nevada and Delaware should have Republican Senators today there is absolutely nothing that justifies the idiots who won the Republican primaries in those races.

Your opinion will hand us minority status for another 40 years and will entrench ObamaCare and the union mentality for another 100.
romeg

that you have devised the perfect system for selecting the perfect, ideologically pure candidate for every race.

I look forward to your sharing that with the rest of us.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

If you’re running against an incumbent Democrat, vote for the most conservative Republican in the primary and the Republican in the general.

If you have a Republican incumbent you don’t like – Lugar, Hatch – find a credible conservative candidate and primary them. Credible would be someone with good conservative credentials – based on actions not words – and electorate wide name recognition with good F/U ratings. Run one conservative in the primary. Get as much state wide support as possible.

For ME or MA, until someone starts naming names, what you see is what you get.

Another couple of examples. DE & NV – unvetted loons snuck in and won primary contests & cost us two Senate seats. In Arizona, recruiting either John Shadegg or Jeff Flake to run against McCain might have given us a new conservative US Senator. Leaving the field open for JD Hayworth ensured a McCain landslide in the primary and easy victory in Nov.

I don’t give a rip about “ideologically pure” candidates. They don’t exist. I also don’t care about candidates whose actual governing record doesn’t match up with their red-meat speeches. I’d rather have a candidate with a record of getting conservative legislation enacted and building a solid party structure who is squishy on some things than a somebody with a questionable record of accomplishment and who sounds great and can fire up a crowd. When the crowds go away and it’s time to actually “do” something, the former will prioritize and accomplish some – not likely all – things and the latter will pine for the roar of the crowd.
http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

And would you consider a sixt pack of Scott Browns in the Senate “victory?”
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Scott Brown in CA, WA, OR, MD, NJ and CT.

If you can’t see the light in that picture, you’re blind.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

It doesn’t get done starting with a no-name 90 days before the primary. It gets done recruiting conservatives to run for state legislative offices, city councils and mayoralities. Then you develop them.

Refer to CW (everything he writes), this #1 rated diary or this #2 rated diary.

If you look at the opportunities to replace people who make Scott Brown look like Barry Goldwater – Indiana and Utah – that is precisely what’s happening. Same story in UT last cycle with Bennett. 90 day (or 120 day) wonders like Angle, O’Donnell (although she’d run for statewide office in DE twice but wasn’t well known) or Miller do nothing but eat up cash and produce losers.
http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

Ron Johnson was a political rube who shoved a lot of establishment Republicans out of the way in a short time in Wisconsin.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

Brown, Collins, Snowe, and Murkowski voted against the Republican budget in the Senate, Brown was the go-to guy when Democrats needed to put banking deform over the top.

Carly Fiorina or Mike Castle would have done the same.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

we control organizing the Senate. Not that you seem to be bright enough to understand the benefit of that.
http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

All it does is get Mitch McConnell’s pets like Lisa Murkowski (nothing less than a traitor) running committees.

If you don’t believe me, look at who John Boehner elevated to leadership positions.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Gives you time to build a base and you’ve got a part time vote in the process. I’ll take it every day. Anything else is called losing.
http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

and whomever was supposed to beat Sharron Angle in the primaries would be any better bets than Scott Brown or Lisa Murkowski?

The only thing for certain would have been Mitch McConnell’s pets as committee chairs. How’d that work out under John Boehner’s command?

2008 was supposed to hand us minority status for 40 years. It took Democrats two elections, 2006 and 2008, to get what they got.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

or Harry Reid.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

makes us losers. Not worth it. Ever.

I’m not particularly fond of what Rove did, in general, but in fact he was right.
JX12

..for what that’s worth anymore. In all fairness, it wouldn’t have been useful or right for Rove to make disparaging comments about Castle either (had he been so inclined), if the primary had gone the other way.

At any rate, whether or not Rove was right in the substance of his remarks, he was way wrong in making them at that crucial point in time.

As to the risk of loss with the hack, one could argue that winning the seat with Castle would have – effectively – still made us losers. He would have been an entirely unreliable vote in the Senate, and the Republican Party would – rightly or wrongly – be lumped in with every bad vote he cast. Not good in the long run.

Having said that, I would still have voted for him in the general election had I been a Delaware resident at the time (just like I currently hold my nose and vote for McCain in every general election in which he stands).

Right or not, it wasn’t Rove’s place to undermine the winner of the Deleware Republican primary.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

We’d have had one more vote at least half the time. A bad Republican is better than a good Democrat all the time, especially when that’s the best you can do.

I’m not quibbling about whether Rove should have kept his mouth shut, but when all is said and done, the problem in Delaware wasn’t Rove (or even the local party organization, which is worse than Rove) is was O’Donnell. As in Nevada with Angle and in Alaska with Miller. This is what happens when potential candidates don’t get vetted.

cja99

Sure, America needs to keeping rolling with the Obama/Soros Regime fundamentally changing the United States of America. How are those gas prices, bankruptcies, and foreclosures working out for you America???

Vegas_Rick

or beat Obama. She could beat Obama in a landslide or lose so badly that she becomes a pimple on the butt of Presidential history. Neither outcome would surprise me. But I do know this:

She would make a much better President than what we have now.

She is proud of and loves her country. She believes what she says.

Unlike out current apprentice Prez, she’s smart enough to know what she doesn’t know.

If she runs it will be a grand spectacle and a TV ratings bonanza. Even without fake Roman columns and pretend Presidential seals.

God bless her and all of our candidates, and may He lead one of them to victory and help begin our national salvation.

acat

I don’t think she’s the best candidate mentioned, but I think (with very few exceptions*) any GOP candidate will do better than any Dem candidate.

Mew

* one being RonPaulRonPaulRonPaul!

Vegas_Rick

at least not yet.

The candidate I get behind will be the one I think has the best chance of kicking BHO to the curb.

She could convince me.

She’s got start demonstarting her intellectual chops if she’s going to change any minds. Including mine.
http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

Ron Paul would still be better than Obama, in fact much better.

True, the foreign policy would be a big change, but only a little. He would be constrained in what he can do by the congress and treaty obligations. Besides, we really are too overextended right now.

Another four years of Obama and the Unions will literally control the entire country.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

they can’t make a Commander-in-Chief do anything affirmatively. Weakness invites aggression and a self-declared isolationist would probably exude more weakness even than Obama. But I might flip a coin and if it came up RP, I would try and organize a militia to defend us for 4 years.

But of course my main gripe is that I let you people trick me into spending more than 5 seconds on the irrelevant One Whose Name Shall Bot Be Uttered!

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

I am not convinced at all that not meddling all over the world is the same as weakness. It would only require one strong response to a genuine provocation to let the world know that we will still protect ourselves. I don’t think for a second that RP would not respond to aggression directed at us.

I do think that Paul’s position is a bit extreme, but I share with him the view that most of our meddling, even a lot of it during the cold war made us LESS safe rather than more safe.

We spend huge amounts of blood and money we have troops all over the globe, we give away billions every year, and yet the number of hostile regimes seems to increase.

We need to rethink our entire approach.

JimmyGee

Karl Rove: He WAS a kingmaker/strategist in the 70′s and 80′s. He is now the poster-child for the “Establishment GOP.” He along with othe other of the establishment GOP members will be the first to throw Pual Ryan under the bus. Of course Rove was bemused by Palin’s tactics…he has never seen them before, nor thought of them
Second, Obama: No matter which GOP candidate runs the stakes for this country have never been higher. We loose to Obama, we loose the country. Period. End of story.
More to come later…have to go to Sam’s Club…but I am on a roll…stay tuned.

JimmyGee

Third: Sarah will have to run against not only the democrats, the MSM, she will have to run against the Establishment GOP.
Lastly, a prediction: If Sarah looks to win the GOP nomination, somehow Hillary will run against Obama. Hillary was to be the first woman President (in her mind at least) and I don’t believe neither her nor Bill could live with the idea of Sarah Palin as first woman President.

Viator

I mean that as a positive. She is sui generis.

“Breitbart discusses how Sarah Palin, unlike the rest of the GOP, understands how today

Doc Holliday

I think her pop culture stuff is hurting here. Bristol and Levi, the First Dude, leaks and books from her staff, etc.

maybe I am getting old, but then I might still be right.

aesthete

Warrior

if anything, those media hyped attacks have made her sympathetic…

reggie1

Breaking the “mould”?

rcatheart

for Prime Minister ???

The next Margaret Thatcher, indeed…

Doc Holliday

comparing her to Thatcher will not win the skeptics over, and might just piss them off.

in 2014, that MIGHT be acceptable.

Warrior

it’s totally acceptable now

Doc Holliday

to me it is not. Different strokes. I welcome Palin if she wants to run and understand why many are passionate about her. If I judged her by her enemies, she would be near the top.
Warrior

Most sensible thing I’ve heard you say lately Doc…
Doc Holliday

maybe we all can. Everything I said was my honest opinion, I just chose to tone things down. BTW, your screen name is the only one I would ever covet. so there, how is that for being nice?
Warrior

I’m impressed. BTW, while we are being honest for a minute, your sig line is the only one I would ever covet…

Viator

“Palin will do just that on the first day of her tour on Sunday when she participates in Rolling Thunder — an annual Memorial Day weekend motorcycle rally held in Washington, D.C. Participants at this year’s event will gather outside the Pentagon before parading down Constitution Avenue on their way to the National Mall near the Lincoln Memorial.”
Scott Conroy, RCP

http://www.rollingthunder1.com/

http://www.rollingthunder1.com/PDFs/Gen%20Public%20Schedule.pdf

Palin, 250,000 motorcycles, their owners and families and the open road. Under the noses of the – what does Rush call them –
Viator

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/27/when-it-comes-to-palin-ignore-the-experts/
paramedichess

Sarah Palin is unelectable. Period. She is a 1/2 term governor who almost 60% of people in this country dislike and think is an airhead. Forget this discussion of whether she would be a good president, she won’t get the chance. Nominating her would guarantee BHO another term. More importantly, she won’t get the nomination. If she runs, she virtually guarantees Mitt Romney the nomination, as every establishment, moderate, and unsure-about-Palin Republican will run to him to avoid having her as the nominee. I assure you that the people most praying for a Palin run are the Romney people, because if she runs, we are stuck with him.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8
heshtesh

has spoken,on second thought why don’t we just let it play out and see where Mitt is at the end of the primeaies?
azaeroprof

You’ve saved us a lot of heartbreak with your prescient knowledge. Sure wish we had listened to the folks with the same advice about Reagan. Might have saved us those shellackings in 1980 and 1984!

Wait….er…
gekster

A reliable one, not a lefty.
I’m just ciurious as to the facts.

azaeroprof

Recent polls range from 55% (CBS/NYT) to 63% (PPP). Yes, these are all liberal pollsters, but I wouldn’t question those numbers.

But remember, Hillary was at about 55% negative before her 2008 campaign, and I’ll be she could beat Obama (and most Republicans) easy today. This is why we have campaigns.

gekster

just wanted the info.

gekster

I can’t find what you refer to.
Thanks in advance.

jimmyg

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/13/fav-palin_n_725513.html

The polls have been consistent at 59% unfavorable for the last several months. Palin has not been above 50% since Nov. 2009, and that was a singular Rasmuessen poll. I do not know how she will lower her unfavorables and raise her favorables. The people she talks to on Fox and through social media are a small part of the electorate. Of course those are the same people who vote in the republican primaries. If she would be nominated, the general is a major problem for her.

gekster

.

jimmyg

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/obama_uniter_or_just_a_liberal.html
She was at approx 45/45. Sarah has a way to go to get anywhere near those numbers. Her followers would be reserving rooms for her swearing in if she had numbers like that at this point.

acat

She never “caught fire”…. and got plowed under as a result. SecState isn’t even a decent consolation prize the way Obama’s running things…

Palin has had an opportunity – since Jan. 2009 – to turn this around. She hasn’t managed it so far, although it is still possible. What seems to be missing is the kind of intellectual communication Reagan used, his columns and op eds explaining why conservatism worked.

Palin’s Facebook strategy is much more fast-attack and buzzwords – which is okay given the times have changed – but without a grounding in conservative principles, it could easily be led awry….

Mew
jimmyg

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/clinton_favorableunfavorable-644.html
The analagy made by Azoreprof that Hillary and Sarah shared similar numbers at this point in the race is incorrect. Sarah is in a deep hole (-30), where Hillary at this point in the race was even and ended up at +4. I do not see how a bus tour, which is being touted as novel, is going to help, neither do I see how a 2 hour movie, which will likely be seen only by her supporters, will get her out of the hole. For political junkies social media and political blogs are like crack, but not so much for the general electorate. If she runs for president she will have to get out of the FOX coccoon, and make herself more widely available to the media. At the same time Tina Fey will revive her act. It could get ugly but she would have to take that chance. The question will be is she prepared to face a hostile media.
azaeroprof

Hillary was never in quite as deep a hole, but her unfavorables did peak at a bit over 50%. Hillary’s most recent fav/unv polls are at or near her all-time high, around 66%.

I’m certain that Sarah knows she will have to get out of her FOX cocoon. It’s just a matter of timing. For a typical politician, I would say the sooner the better. Given the target on Palin from the media/lefties, it may well be the later the better.

Oh, and Tina Fey’s Palin impersonation hasn’t been funny in two years. Her hatred of Palin detracts from her ability to be funny.
acat

Perry can’t really telegraph too much without messing with Texas politics.. not until the legislature adjourns at least.

After that, we’ll see…. but if he’s hinted to Palin that he’s getting in … then all she’s doing right now is burnishing her brand and messing with peoples’ heads with no real downside.

I know, a lot of people want her to get in. I’m not one of them, I think we can do better, and I think I’ve been clear on why. I also accept that we could do a lot worse (RonPaul *spit*) and I could support Palin in the general. (unlike Romney, who I’ll merely vote for)

Time will tell, eh?

Mew
jimmyg

We have vanquished one of the world’s great villains… and I for one am thrilled to say good riddance to Katie Couric’: Tina Fey makes her SNL return as Sarah Palin

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384896/Tina-Fey-Sarah-Palin-SNL-taking-jabs-Katie-Couric-Darrell-Hammond-plays-Donald-Trump.html#ixzz1NcE34cfQ
Warrior

Oh Lord take me now…
jimmyg

Pollster.com only compiles and averages polls, they do not offer opinions, nor do they conduct there own polls, other than noting trends. I also used RCP as a source.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

reliable source. Always pay attention to the internals, but they are quite good.
paramedichess

The reason Reagan won 49 states is that he had the ability to communicate conservatism in a way that made sense to the majority of people. Palin does a great job of firing up people who are already really conservative, but she does not have the intellectual persuasive ability that Reagan had. She also lacks the significant executive experience he had gained by completing two terms as governor (instead of quitting after 1/2 term). This bus tour is just one more opportunity to rally the faithful, but will do nothing to convince the moderates/independents that she has a brain, much less that she is worth voting for.
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

powertothepeople

could beat Obama or most republicans. Her moment in the sun was 2008 and she may have even missed her opportunity to beat Bush in 2004. At those points she was a household name and was riding the Bill popularity train. That is gone now. She has her core supporters, but she no longer awes the democratic party as she once did. Now, I would maybe agree that most dems wish they had voted for her over Obama, and they would even maybe rectify that mistake should she primary Obama, I just do not think she holds the political clout she once had especially when her name is now tied to the Obama brand and that will kill a ton of her support with the moderate to right leaning independent crowd.

acat

couldn’t figure out how to simultaneously demonize Obama *and* the GOP?

I think Hillary has a tin ear and a bad sense of entitlement, but I am not about to dismiss Bill’s political mind. He’s not as gifted with a turn of phrase as Palin, but he’s just as able to do the emotional-connection thing as she is … and he understands how to change his polling numbers like nobody else I’ve ever seen.

I have the impression that Bill was phoning it in, didn’t take the threat from Obama seriously, overestimated Hillary’s chances until it was too late. If Hillary decides to try again, I do not expect Bill to make the same mistake… and I expect her to be formidable.

Especially if we pick a candidate assuming the opponent is Obama.

Mew
powertothepeople

that Bill has a way with cameras and with people, but I still think his overall invincibility was shaken badly over the last few years. Is she and he still dangerous, yes, but the awe is gone and that is what he was able to utilize during his years as president and for the few years after.

I think she may be able to beat Obama, but her biggest drawback would be the fact that she is now the Obama brand. One key issue that would haunt her just as it will haunt Obama is the mandate. Obama’s momentary opposition to the mandate was directed at Hilary as it was her platform.

As to Bill, many on that side are seeing him as an Obama lackey. Case in point, he made the comment the other day that not having the debt ceiling raised would not be a catastrophe as Obama and the dems have predicted. Obama gives him a talking too, he changes tune. This has been the new Bill since the election of Obama. During the primaries, Obama was the enemy and Bill made that abundantly clear. Once he won, they were best friends and Bill sung his praises, His awesome ship has sailed and while he still has clout and still has his way in front of the camera, I do not think it is enough to defeat a strong republican or change the minds of the average Joe pissed at the state we are in at the hands of Obama.

I could be wrong but I just do not see Bill being the political powerhouse he was 10 years ago much like Rove is no longer the republican center piece he was when he pushed Bush to two wins. Time has passed them by.

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has the MSM used ever breath and waking hour to damage somebody.

You want to cry “uncle” on this and empower them to do it to the next person?

paramedichess

The MSM does not like conservatives. They especially do not like black conservatives or conservative women. It does not matter though. The MSM is here to stay, and to win, we have to beat the MSM. Sarah Palin did herself no favors by accepting the VP spot in 2008 despite not being ready for primetime. The Katie Couric interview was not a MSM conspiracy, it was a terrible interview. Palin looked dumb (I’m not saying that she is, I’m saying that she looked dumb in that interview). Quitting as governor of Alaska was a similar invite for criticism, as was her crazy reality show. These weren’t made-up MSM jokes. Sarah Palin loves the spotlight, and at times this has put her in some very easily mocked positions. It is what it is, and it has given her a terrible image in mainstream America. I talk politics with lots of people, and other than very conservative people, I don’t know anyone who likes or respects her. I really don’t think she is electable.

Warrior

It’s hard to speak cogently when you get nad. She was surprised and anxious to help when accepting the McCain offer. She was trying to save her family by quitting the governorship. Her reality show was probably better than most such productions go. Tell me which politician does not like “the spotlight.” And if you want to know someone who likes her, go to a Tea Party.

gekster

on 2011-03-16

Favorability rating_58%
Unfavorability_37%

from HULIQ:
http://www.huliq.com/12092/sarah-palin-fading-among-republicans-favorability-polls
I don’t know these people, but it’s as good as any I guess

If anyone has a later poll, I’d be glad to see it.

aesthete

She does much, much worse with independents, and conservatives can’t carry the day by themselves. Moreover, note that this is down from her high of 70% in 2008. In other words, even among the demo that she should be winning, she is losing ground. If she inspires a reaction from conservatives such that more than a third of them register their discontent, that’s something she needs to work on.

gekster

was from Republican and likely voters.
So we have two conflicting polls.
All it shows is that this far out, they are probably meaningless.

jimmyg

It was an average of voter sentiment of likely voters, all voters or registered voters from all polls measuring Palin’s fav/unfav since 2008. The poll you cited measured fav/unfav among republicans and republican leaning independents. No conflict, although the poll you cited shows that at the time the poll was taken SP had the highest unfav 37%,, among possible republican primary candidates.
In other words, even among republicans, as is reflected by the comments on this site, she has a problem. What these polls show is that she is well known and people have an opinion about her either fav or unfav. She has to change the opinion of not only the public at large, but of a large segment of the republican primary voters.
jimmyg

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147584/Huckabee-No-Clear-GOP-Front-Runner.aspx
This poll shows her problem,, she has high, if not the highest name recognition, she has high fav and at this point the highest unfav, followed closely by Gingrich.

I am not saying this cannot be overcome, but she has to start out by admitting she has a problem, even among republicans, she has to change their minds, and doing what she has been doing for the last two years, has not worked. If she continues to speak only through Fox and social media she will not change any opinions of voters she needs to win a general election.

http://www.sheetanchor.org SheetAnchor

Limbaugh on the air today, and worth the read….

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052711/content/01125111.guest.html

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Anyone caving in to this is cloaking some other problems they have with Palin.
rightwingmom52

I loved the point he made about how the media (and the GOP establishment for that matter) is so totally confused because they have no idea what she’s going to do.

macbookben

“can’t live with her, can’t live without her.”
Warrior

who are her main opposition. Since she’s got more guts than any of them, they are scared to death of her…
Warrior

by the idea of a strong woman in charge. They like their women submissive, just like their hero Bill “the zipper” Clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!
jeffex11

I’m standing and applauding this media / politically savvy tour from Sarah Palin!!!

Let me take a moment to look at some facts as I set this stage. “Palinized” is a modern term for political assignation by throwing the kitchen sink ….and the cabinets at a potential candidate that scares the opposition the most.

As the left loves to kill babies so much ….a pre-abortion if you will of a potential threat to the progressive agenda…..

Sarah Palin has survived everything the left has thrown at her……everything! including someone moving in next to her home to watch her every move….and she is as relevant in modern politics and America as ever!!!

Now here is the brilliance of her One Nation bus tour. If the left , after declaring her completely Rules for Radical marginalized, pays her any attention they will look like FOOLS even to their own kind.

She has complete immunity from the attack apparatchik media. For them to even cover her tour would be to admit that they have FAILED !!!

Sarah Palin will tour the nation selling America exceptionalism and expand her base. She will build the kind of grassroots coalition that even BO won’t believe is possible.

Now two things will happen by the time you cast your vote in November 2012. A solid candidate will step forward and she will defer her ego to serve her country and put her network behind that person…or the people will come to HER and see that she is a female version of George Washington with a little Ronald Reagan mixed in!!!!!

The establishment Republicans don’t want her as she does not represent their pedigree . Republican and democrat elites don’t want the power to shift to the people as it would with a President Sarah Palin……she is a WE THE PEOPLE candidate . She would break the stranglehold on the pool of people who are deemed to be qualified to run our nation. She has no pedigree to suit the elites.

America is a nation of mutts!!! I’m a mutt! It was mutts that beat the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese …….With God at HER back we will soon recognize that SHE is America’s sure thing that people are looking for!!!!

How do I know this…..the left told me by their insatiable desire to destroy her….

Now at this time many people say she has been scarred by the leftist media….And yet she is still standing….Who better to take on those Jackals that someone who is an avid hunter?

You’ll see the people will call for her….they will watch this tour and realize that in their own haze of desire to have some person to go up against the Obama that the media loves….it will NEVER …ever happen. We could clone Ronald Reagan or even Jesus himself and the left will attack them……that is how we ended up with McCain in the 2008 election.

It sickens me when the conservative electorate cries out for a ballsy tough candidate then the act like neurotic scared wimps when they vacillate between who we should put up against the Obama….

I’m here to tell you what Sarah Palin needs is some voters with “balls” . she needs people who believe in America to fight for HER regardless of polls and the lefty media……She can be your female Washington/Reagan if you will start to act like you deserve her sacrifice…..BEG and plead her to run for YOU and your family and you will see that pay off for our country’s future.

My golden retriever could beat Obama…..at leash she is an American breed………..

Warrior

Especially this:

“…some person to go up against Obama that the media loves…”

it will NEVER happen. Also, your point about McCain is insightful as well.

We must stop letting the MSM PICK OUR CANDIDATE FOR US!! If not, WE WILL LOSE EVERYTIME!!!!
aesthete

Yeah, twittering about politics is totally equivalent to fighting a war of independence and setting up our Constitutional norms, as well as the norms of the executive office of the US.
rogershru2

When you try to persuade please be reasonable. I am glad you are passionate about a candidate. I don’t know for sure yet for whom I will vote in the primary (Pawlenty and Cain are up there). If Sarah Palin wins I will be happy to vote for her in the general.

But comments like:

“.With God at HER back we will soon recognize that SHE is America

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

I don’t hold the fact that jeffe is a complete idiot against Palin. Any more than I hold the fact that the Paultards are idiots against Ron Paul. The vast majority of people will come down to evaluating candidates based on their accomplishments (or lack thereof) and their positions and their perceived ability to enact legisation supporting those positions.

jeffe, and a raft of other kids who have PalinShrines™ down in the basement, hidden from their parents (or wives) are simply distractions. As fools typically are.

acat

… get out of their basements and pull the lever (fill in the oval, punch the chad, whatever) for the nominee, I don’t see a problem.

As for the whole “God at her back”, my only question is “which one?”…

Mew
rogershru2

I understand it is probably pointless. These are the sorts of people that feel it a badge of honor when people make fun of their ramblings and point out when they are wrong.

Voters decide using a wide variety of factors. Some evaluate more objectively than others, but most at least to some degree also use less objective factors – how we perceive them in a speech or interview, how well done their commercials are, who are their supporters, do we want to be identified with the candidate or their supporters, do they inspire us, etc.

Heck, Obama won last election on these nonobjective factors, with little mention of his experience or policy positions.

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rogershru2

Nor should we.

Doc Holliday

I will support Sarah if she is our nominee. But I could say right now Rand Paul would be a better candidate in EVERY way, charisma, knowledge, backbone, all the categories. He is one example, and I admit there are very few others, maybe Rubio. But the point is, we are not going to take to brow beating, when we could name a better candidate at the drop of a hat.

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

Pawlenty would be a more viable candidate? I think that he, Bachmann, Cain, would all be better candidates than Palin because she literally scares off roughly 2/3′s of the independent vote. That will be very difficult to overcome.

The guy who I think could take it away from Romney is Perry, if he could be made to run. He is the only candidate with better hair than Romney.

Doc Holliday

and part of me would love nothing more than to put another Texan in office if only to watch the libs and Euros squirm. I am certainly still open to Cain and Bachmann. Pawlently seems like a good guy, but he does not just out of the screen at me. I should do more research on him before I make a final decision. I still think it is early, and I am writing off nobody.

izoneguy

My bet is that he will announce on the eve of that speech – or announce his run
with the speech.
Take a look at some of the other speakers:

Erick Erickson, Mike Huckabee, Gary Johnson, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman,
Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann

http://www.rlc2011.com/agenda/

http://www.rlc2011.com/speakers_list/perry/

I think it will be Perry/Jindal 2012

izoneguy

Already confirmed to speak at RLC 2011: Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, Jon Huntsman, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Jim DeMint, Marsha Blackburn, Bobby Jindal, George P. Bush, Mary Matalin, David Vitter, Rodney Alexander, Bill Cassidy, Jeff Landry, Steve Scalise, Tony Perkins, Star Parker, Erick Erickson, Chris Widener, James Strock, David Bossie and RNC Chairman Reince Priebus.

So what are Romney & Pawlenty doing???
Doc Holliday

I would gladly go for Perry/Jindal. I still like Rand Paul, but he either does not want to be president or thinks we can’t beat Obama. Or he wants to try as an old guy in 2020
izoneguy

http://www.rlc2011.com/agenda/
Doc Holliday

anyone have specifics? BTW, Garry Johnson was good on Hannity, if he dropped the legalize all drugs bit and became a bit less geeky (not going to happen) he should be considered.
izoneguy

Gov. Perry Calls Special Session on School Finance

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Filibuster-Likely-Means-OT-for-Legislature-122822009.html

Republicans did score some major victories during the regular session, including four of Gov. Perry’s five emergency items. Winning the hardest-fought item, Perry has already signed a bill requiring doctors to conduct a sonogram before performing an abortion and to force women to listen to a detailed description of the ultrasound image. The law goes into effect on Sept. 1.

Republicans also delivered a law that requires voters to show a photo ID before casting a ballot, and a “loser pays” bill that makes it harder to file lawsuits and also punishes claimants if they don’t settle for more than they eventually win. Perry also signed new eminent domain rules that strengthen individual property rights.

But Democrats did block the so-called “sanctuary cities” bill that would force local law enforcement agencies to give immigration laws the same priority as violent crime. The politically charged moniker of the bill refers to police departments that tell their officers not to question a person’s immigration status in order to focus on higher priorities or to facilitate better communication with residents. The measure is almost certain to come up during the special session.

On that note:

MAN WHO KILLED HOUSTON POLICE OFFICER WAS ILLEGAL

http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/?p=27348

Johoan Rodriguez, 26, the man accused of driving while intoxicated when he struck and killed Houston Police Officer Kevin Will is now reported to be an illegal immigrant. In addition to that he has a MySpace page in which he shows total disrespect for the law. He states he went to Sam Houston High School from 2000 to 2004 and graduated.

Some of his comments include him hating people that cut in front of him on the road and slow down.

His photo online is him urinating on the Smith statue in front of Minute Maid Park.

http://www.myspace.com/kooko713

He states,

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Who is keeping the list of he-men-conservatives Palin is supposed to get out of the way and endorse, anyway?

Doc Holliday

that would be like if I mentioned not being able to take her screeching voice for four years.

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Scroll up.
Doc Holliday

but the Palin screeching voice is a concern. so maybe stop the acidic derision of “he men conservatives”. but if you want to hurt her cause, keep it up. Seems to me Palinistas have the social skills of Paultards, meaning none.
David123

I found Sarah Palin’s voice more pleasant to listen to when she was discussing the Arizona shootings this year than when she was on the campaign trail with John McCain. That is the sound of her voice – the substance of what she was saying seems very true all along.
acat

You’re just argumentative and unoriginal.

The list, by the way, is in Sarah Palin’s cookie jar. She’s the one who said she’d step aside if the right candidate got in, after all.

Mew

Doc Holliday

he comes off as a total wimp. You would not want to see her beautiful hair turn gray prematurely as did that of Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Better to steal her away and live in the tropics. just saying, considering all the hair talk.

jeffex11

I said we could clone Reagan or even Jesus and the leftist media will “palinize” them as well. The reason we wound up with McCain in 2008 is because the stupid GOP voters were looking for someone that the media liked……and they liked McCain BECAUSE THEY KNEW HE WAS A PROGRESSIVE too!!! they knew he would lose to the Obama.

McCain was the Lucy candidate and the voters let the media t up the football once again only to have the Lucy candidate pull the election football away. McCain would NOT let Palin go after the Obama… She would have show the voters who this hopey changey anti-American was…..

McCain coveted the praise of the liberal media as well. He championed himself someone taking the higher ground. Palin was poised and ready to pounce on the easy kill ……but she was held back by the ….cough , hack…..put- toie MAVERICK ? ……

People voted for Palin in 2008 and McCain simply happened to be on the ticket…NOW we know the true …unbridled Sarah Palin…

I like Pawlenty and several others but Palin already has a coalition of people that they will never even muster ……just look at history before you take her out of contention…..at the very least keep an opening as what I posted comes to fruition and you could tell your friend you were in on the ground floor…..I know people!!!!! she will be our next President or at the very least be the king make to get that job done for another true conservative , constitutional , common sense American……stay tuned my friends …it will be the show of a lifetime!

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telling the Obama Broadcasting Company what they are doing is working?

What kind of fight is that?
acat

This quote from your post the above is why Palin supporters concern me:

“Palin already has a coalition of people that they will never even muster

jeffex11

How do you get that from my post? My vote will be for anybody but the progressives……If my dog were running I would vote for her because at least she is an American Breed. I am by no means a Palin worshiper . I am simply making my observations and assertion based on my perception of facts…….so I’ll offer another for your media matters considerations….

Sarah Palin is like GW because of physical presence. For GW it was his size and stature of a man larger than most men of that time . As well as his quiet nature that gave him the aura of physical as well as mental strength. For Palin her strength of presence is part her female beauty as well as her aura of strength as a mom and a person that doesn’t shrink from a fight. What candidate has endured the public despicable “vetting” that the liberal apparatchik media has set fort on her and her family ? and yet she is still standing…….

I can only imagine the things said about good ole George back in the day by the “media matters” esq. newspapers of the time when he and a bunch of farmers with hunting rifles were about to take on the British.

as far as my statement

http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

The birfer in you just couldn’t help but come out.
acat

I didn’t call you an idiot, Jeff. That’s all you. Given the number of attempts to belittle my brains in your post, though, it’s awful tempting to call it projection.

I do question whether Palin’s supporters are able to move to another candidate. So far, you say “yes we can!” .. I’m not convinced because after saying that, you continue on as though it won’t need to happen – and it’s not in the nature of emotional links to transfer from one person to another. Put another way, people work a lot harder when it directly benefits someone they care about than when it’s indirect. This is simple human nature stuff, eh?

Pawlenty has had no problem attracting staff or donations, nor is there any reason to suspect he will have problems in the future. Palin’s very vocal supporters would be a useful augmentation, but to think they’re his only hope, as you do, is rating them well above their actual value.

This is muddled thinking, Jeff, and it’s unfortunately what I’ve come to expect from Palin supporters.

Mew

http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

we got stuck with him for two reasons, because the older beltway rino crowd wanted one of their own, and because lots of independents and democrats crossed over and voted in many of the early open primary states because they thought he would be easy to beat.

As I said before in this thread, there is no reason to fear the MSM, because they will mindlessly attack all republicans but their attacks can only stick if there is something there.

What a lot of you don’t want to admit is that the attacks stuck to Palin because she was not prepared, and really did not know a lot of things that a well informed politician should know. Like everyone else she has feet of clay.

I like her, I really do, but I dislike the cult of personality that has grown up around her.

jeffex11

after all we know that works for some candidates ……

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

get informed.

Spartan4Life

I think this video plays into some of people’s worst fears about SP. It seems a little self aggrandizing to me like something our current president might make. Haven’t we had enough with charismatic personalities in the WH for awhile?

And I don’t think using a line like “Join the Fundamental Restoration of America” is really helpful, I have a number of mushy moderates in my family who will support Conservative and even Tea Party candidates but this kind of code language sends them running for the hills.

My $.02.

Doc Holliday

but only with serious critiques. How can this video offend anyone other than a leftist?
Doc Holliday
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Right?

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

mkac

full disclosure, never been a huge Sarah fan, but think she has a very vaulable role to play in restoring traditinal American values. However, if it is correct that she invited herself and her bus tour to Rolling Thunder in DC this weekend, then that is a huge fail either by Sarah herself or her staff. Using a citizen and vet driven event like Rolling Thunder for her personal aggrandizement is everything that is wrong with politicans, and Sarah is showing herself to be just another look at me politican. No thanks.

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It just ain’t gonna ever be.
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Fiorina and Whitman* got their clocks cleaned as badly or Angle or O’Donnell and they were fully vetted by the usual suspects in the Republican party in a very blue state.

How did that work out?

*Whitman never really led Brown, even before her nanny problem.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

And even if what you say is true, so what. You’re comparing a state – CA – where we basically had no chance to win (a pipe dream at best) to two states where the races were ours to lose.

acat

Can’t be, though. Tbone’s funny.

Mew

http://www.sheetanchor.org Sheet Anchor

see the link below for Ed Morrisey’s assessment earlier today…

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/28/yes-palin-was-invited-to-rolling-thunder/

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Palin’s gotta raise her numbers with Independents. Rolling Thunder isn’t likely to be supporting TheWon.
mkac

sorry – Sarah was invited by a FORMER member of the board, the actual Board had no idea and said she would “be a distraction”, not appropriate for her to latch onto this event – either Sarah or her staff made a big mistake. This is a vet event not a political one and yes there is a difference.

http://www.sheetanchor.org Sheet Anchor

about the invitation. An NBC tv media report, created some controversy about whether she had been invited or not by Rollikng Thunder. In fact she had been invited. Hence my comment was not an argument in support of a Palin candidacy; although I am not by virtue of this comment in any way disparaging her candidacy. There certainly is a case for her candidacy.

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Since we have a long weekend, you should make an effort to master it.

libertyfreedom

Or did Sarah finally get around to reading the constitution?
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Independents in Ohio:
Palin 43%
Obama 42%
Undecided 15%

Overall in Ohio:
Obama 50%
Palin 40%

This may be the reason the Democratic establishment is worried about Governor Palin.

PPP surveyed 565 Ohio voters from May 19th to 22nd. The margin of error for the survey
is +/-4.1%.

Link is below. Independent data is on page 12.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_OH_0524513.pdf

http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

Just ask Presidents Gore and Kerry. Or Senator Hayworth from Arizona.

Watch the trend line for F/U. That’s the only number that matters.

azaeroprof

You are correct. Though one reason for this is that early polls are often driven by name recognition and generally not well-known candidates. These factors, at least, aren’t there for Obama and Palin.

As poor a predictor as early h-2-h’s are, the fact that a Dem pollster is showing Obama/Palin within 10 points and nearly tied among Indies in THE key battleground state of Ohio (which trends closer to the national results than any other state) is surely not missed by the Dems and the media. And this is among RV’s, not even LV’s.

I would watch for (yet) another round of Palin-bashing in the national media. They simply cannot let these kinds of numbers become anything like a trend.

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