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Thirty Problems with the “Gang of Six” Proposal

Analyzing the six-page “Gang of Six” proposal for rewriting the federal budget is like measuring a bucket of water by holding the water in your hands.

Having said this, it looks like Coburn, Crapo, and Chambliss got their clocks cleaned.

TAXES

First, by crafting the tax increases in the Senate Finance Committee, the Gang of Six proposal allows Democrats (plus Olympia Snowe) to determine their parameters. And, incidentally, Democrats’ notions of how you “stimulate economic growth,” as the plan requires, are fundamentally different from ours.

Second, although creating flatter tax rates might have a “dynamic” impact which stimulates the economy and produces more revenue, there is no indication that this “dynamic” impact would initially be considered in determining whether the trillion dollars of revenue increases had been met, and it also would not be considered under the 1974 Budget Act.

Third, therefore, virtually all of the revenue increases in the proposal will come from massive “loophole closings” which will make the private jet issue look tiny in comparison.

Fourth, using a sunset of the Alternative Minimum Tax as a bargaining chip is a huge, huge mistake. EVERYONE agrees that the AMT can’t be allowed to go into effect. Therefore, by trading its abolition as a chit, you’re only unnecessarily offering up another $1.7 trillion of “loophole closings” which you need to find in order to offset it. And this is above and beyond any “loophole closings” necessary to achieve the $1 trillion and offset any loss from flattening rates.

Fifth, the plan adopts the liberal economic supposition that allowing people to keep their own money is a “tax expenditure.”

Sixth, the plan specifically envisions curtailment of popular deductions like the mortgage interest deduction and the charitable giving deduction.

Seventh, the plan specifically mandates the continuation of tax provisions liberals like, such as the Earned Income Tax Credit –- which, since it is “refundable” and goes to people who don’t pay taxes — is actually a spending program, rather than a tax cut.

DISCRETIONARY SPENDING CUTS

First, although the Gang of Six plan is an improvement over the phony cuts proposed by the Biden group, about $260,000,000,000 of the initial discretionary spending cuts would come from the military, if it is an across-the-board spending cap, as the drafters may envision.

Second, therefore, at most, only about $240,000,000,000 in cuts would come from discretionary domestic caps –- and it looks like this figure would include cuts through fiscal 2015, or only about $60 billion a year.

Third, this figure could be even lower if it includes both the reductions in actual spending and the reductions in interest due to the reductions in spending –- and even lower yet if it includes “chained CPI” and CLASS Act (see below).

Fourth, some of the spending “cuts” which are being considered include $60 billion for hiring additional federal employees, supposedly to ferret out “waste, fraud, & abuse.” If there are many more “cuts” like this, you have blown through the $240 billion without really cutting domestic spending.

Fifth, the proposal to recalculate the Consumer Price Index (the “chained CPI” proposal) isn’t just a spending cut, as it is billed. It’s also a big tax increase, because deductions, exemptions, etc., would rise a lot more slowly.

Sixth, although I am not a fan of ObamaCare, I think it is a HUGE mistake to repeal its foolish and unpopular, but peripheral, aspects piece-by-piece, thereby making it harder to repeal in its totality. Therefore, I don’t think they’re doing us a real favor by repealing the CLASS Act. If any part of this very-out-year program is being counted against the $500 billion, then this makes that figure even more pitiful.

Seventh, it is constitutionally impossible to impose a “statutory” cap on discretionary spending in out-years, as the proposal envisions. These are illusory.

Eighth, therefore, the Gang of Six would have to rely on Gramm-Rudman-type rules changes. I worked under Gramm-Rudman, and Crapo, Coburn, and Chambliss did not. And I can say that, in case of significant spending programs, the budget will be busted by 60 votes.

Ninth, there are a lot of tricks for getting around process reform, including, for instance, approving the unpopular programs first, and then busting the budget with 60 votes in order to continue the popular ones.

Tenth, therefore, you’re trading $2.7 trillion of tax increases (if you consider the AMT a “given” and even if you don’t have to offset rate-flattening) for less than $60 billion a year in domestic discretionary cuts -– and they could be phony cuts. That’s $45 of tax increases for every one dollar of spending cuts.

THE TEN-YEAR PLAN/ENTITLEMENTS

First, the thrust of this plan is that the Democratic committees would come up with roughly $743 billion in long-term savings. We saw, with ObamaCare, how easy it is to concoct this magnitude of fraudulent “cuts.”

Second, $500 billion of this amount (over two-thirds) would come from “fixing” the unfixable “doc fix” and from “additional … health savings” –- which would “maintain the essential health care services that the poor and elderly rely on.” We went through exactly this same fraud scheme from this same committee dealing with these same issues less than two years ago. Does anyone think the fraudulent ObamaCare “cuts” give us any reason to give Senate Finance another blank check?

Third, another $145 billion of the remaining $243 billion (after health “cuts”) would come from defense and anti-terrorism, and $11 billion would come from farm subsidies. This leaves only $70 billion in “cuts” from the bloated Departments of Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, and so forth. And it’s not even clear whether there would be any enforcement mechanism to implement these, given that they’re not necessarily “entitlement cuts” or “across-the-board cuts” which would trigger Budget Committee action (see below).

Fourth, the proposal mandates that the Judiciary Committee come up with “an unspecified amount [of cuts] through medical malpractice reform.” Anyone who expects Chairman Pat Leahy to slap the trial lawyers needs to have his head examined. In a comparable exercise with respect to ObamaCare, what we got was funds to study the issue –- channeled to the liberal states which had not enacted tort reform.

PROCESS

First, the Budget Committee is mandated by the Gang of Six proposal to “ensure Congressional action to reduce the deficit if the debt-to-GDP ratio after 2015 has not stabilized.” But the mandate does not specify how balance would be achieved, and may well be a giant non-filibusterable unamendable tax increase (see below).

Second, the one thing we know about the budget process, as it currently operates, is that it was the engine behind the passage of ObamaCare and has also been the mechanism for large numbers of tax increases, without having any significant impact on reducing spending.

Third, the Budget Committee is mandated by the proposal to review long-term “federal health care spending.” Does anyone want to hear more on “health care spending” from the committee that gave us the reconciliation instructions on ObamaCare -– and which assumed ObamaCare would make premiums go down?

Fourth, the Budget Committee is mandated to “achieve program integrity savings of $26 billion in entitlement programs to curb fraud, abuse, and other wasteful spending government-wide.” This sounds a lot like the $60 billion proposal to “cut waste, fraud, & abuse” by hiring a lot more federal employees.

Fifth, there seems to be a complete exemption from budget processes for “across the board cuts for those most in need.”

Sixth, there is potentially “expedited consideration” (i.e., no filibuster) for legislation responding to a “committee [that completely] fails to report entitlement program savings” or a committee which fails to “impose across the board cuts.” First of all, it’s not clear that, with the exception of the health/”doc fix” debacle and the “waste, fraud, & abuse” issue, that any committee is required to make either entitlement cuts or across-the-board cuts. To the contrary, it appears that across-the-board cuts affecting poverty programs are outlawed.

Seventh, but, assuming the Budget Committee is required to report possibly unfilibusterable, possibly unamendable legislation, what limits are there to what can be included in it (e.g., tax increases)?

Eighth –- and this is where the filibusterability and amendability come in — McConnell and Reid would be authorized to limit debate and amendments in any way they chose. Conservatives should be outraged at any proposal which would give McConnell the ability to silence Jim DeMint and Rand Paul.

Ninth, Social Security reform need not be considered and CANNOT be considered until the larger Reid/McConnell potentially unfilibusterable and unamendable bill moves. If the Finance Committee sits on reform, even if larger deficit reduction reaches the Senate floor, the ONLY way it can move is if five senators from each party to come up with a proposal that solves every Social Security problem for 75 years.

by Michael E. Hammond, former General Counsel Senate Steering Committee 1978-89.

COMMENTS

  • Scope

    6 Senators are developing a spending plan which is the duty of the House. Is it not in the Constitution that all spending measures must begin in the House, and then move to the Senate upon passage in the House. The Senate can make their changes to the House bill, pass it, and then it moves into a reconciliation process. Is that correct. Isn’t that why the House passed Obamacare first, it went to the Senate, and they passed the House version so as to avoid the reconcilation process that would have sent it back to the Senate. It would not have passed the Senate, or so it is believed with the election of Brown who vowed to vote against the bill. Isn’t that why it is missing the severability clause? Has Washington just become a free for all, with everyone just doing whatever they like?

    I hope the entire House team takes this as the insult that it truly is. These 6 people are trying to usurp their constitutional powers, and I’m ashamed of the 3 Republicans that participated or signed off on this. Coburn lost much of his conservative credibility by rejoining this team.

    • acat

      http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/20/jim-jordan-to-harry-reid-gang-of-234-just-showed-you-the-way-forward

      Jim Jordan, GOP House Republican Study Committee chair, has a few things to say to Harry Reid that apply even moreso to the “Gang of 6″.

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        nt

        • acat

          That means no good can come of it. Kill the bill, burn the body, soak the ashes in holy water, bury it in holy ground, and sprinkle liberally with silver and garlic.

          Mew

          • Right Reason

            *

          • runner12

            I could not have said it better myself!

          • renny

            and garish with garlic.

      • Scope

        I’ll get back to you here, probably tomorrow morning. I just typed out a reply, but it somehow got lost in the ozone layer. I’ll respond tomorrow.

        • acat

          “Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen” are (were?) a band, their one hit was “Hot Rod Lincoln”, off the album “Lost in the Ozone”. An attempt at humor, no snark nor insult intended.

          I look forward to your actual reply.

          Mew

          • audax

            …”Smoke,Smoke,Smoke That Cigarette” and “Truckin’ (Deleted), Everbody’s Doin’ It Now”…..

      • Scope

        here goes. Big cheers to Jim Jordan for speaking out and slapping Reid, and hopefully the six pack, by telling them where to go. It should be Boehner and Cantor doing the slapping, but they can’t get their white gloves dirty, apparently. I never understood why Boehner and Cantor have had so many meetings with the O, and why they keep begging him to do his job. It is the perfect opportunity for the House Republicans to forge ahead with their own ideas, and forget the little spoiled boy. Let him stay in his room to play with his toys, or spend his time with his buds at Center for Amer. Progress, plotting the demise of the country as we knew it. The fact that the O said that if he doesn’t get a plan acceptable to him, he will raise the debt ceiling on his own. That should be a clear message to the Republicans that they are wasting their time writing any bills, or trying to accomplish anything, as nothing will be acceptable to the creep, and his creeptoids in Congress. They want their way, and will stop at nothing to get it.

        As to CCB, I’m not sold on it. Cut, yes big time and then some, CAP, at what level, and how do you determine that? The country is in such flux, and will remain that way as far as the eye can see, or until we boot the O’s arse in 2012. Alot of things can alter the GDP drastically, like unemployment, drilling, lowering the corporate tax rates, if I understand GDP correctly. With the Balance portion, as to a Balanced Budget Amendment, not so much. The Senate version is a little better because it puts some constraints on the revenue side, but the fact that all through both the House and Senate versions, every kind of change can be made by majority votes in the Congress. I saw a comment from someone which I agreed with. The country is made up of takers, who could care less what is going on around them, they just want their government checks in the mail. We know that 53% of the population believed that they wouldn’t have to pay their mortgage, or put gas in their vehicle, if they voted for the O. The elderly have been told that the R’s want them to eat dog food, or that they will put them over the cliff. I know for a fact that some of those blue hairs will vote D so they keep their entitlements coming. What is to stop those leeches from voting overwhelmingly for D’s to keep their greenbacks coming in? If the D’s get majorities again, and we keep people like Snowe, Collins, McCain, Graham, Brown, Lugar, Hatch etc. around, bye bye BBA. You see what my problem with it is? It’s too adjustable, and the fact that those like Clinton can move items out of the budget, or off to future years can make the budget look balanced when it in fact is not.

        My personal opinion- do short term debt ceiling increases, that include a comparable amount of cutting. The cuts have to be meaningful cuts, not cutting $ from the Endowment for the Arts or other such stupidity. I mean cuts from the budgets of EPA, HHS, DHS, DOJ etc. If Obama says no, he owns the worsening economy. Unfortunately, for far too many, it has to get really bad until they wake the he!l up. Just read today that Greece is 24 hrs. away from total collapse, and the collapse of the Euro. Doubt that will wake the Obamabots up.

        Do the very least amount required to keep from a collapse. Then when the R’s take control after 2012, have at it, just as the D’s have done for the last 2 1/2 years or more. Repeal every last thing this idiot and his partners in crime have done. Will that work, who the heck knows, but it is as good a guess as anyone else’s.

        • acat

          I have two groups of statements/questions on this. I’m not asking for answers, more as “this is what I’m thinking”.

          If I’ve understood it correctly, CCB’s “cap” is at 18% of GDP, so .. if elections are decided by whoever gets to count the votes, then government spend is decided by whoever gets to calculate GDP. Cynical, but .. true. (ask Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN) about it…)

          That 18% still represents more of a limit than Obama currently has. I don’t think it’s enough .. but it’s possible, if Boehner and Cantor will not go squishy. More importantly, I think it’s close enough to Nov. 2012 that there’s plenty of pressure on Dem senators who are up to go along with *something*…

          I’m also under the impression that the BBA would have to be ratified by 38 “Red” States. Take Cali and NY out and MA and IL and likely NJ and … well, you get the idea. It’s not going to be easy. The Dem Senators may think they can vote for the CCB, live with the cap, keep their jobs, and pass the BBA along to the States to be killed or at least litigated for the next decade.

          What worries me is that by doing too much, we could turn a corner on the economy “for” Obama. With the worst bits of Obamacare still lurking, I don’t see a way that the economy picks up, still too much fear, uncertainty, and doubt out there. Obama has to run on his lousy record, with high unemployment. It’s getting worse, you know.

          That, plus there being far more Dems up in the Senate in 2012 than Repubs, means we should flip both the Senate and the White House, and can then start really cutting.

          The second line of questions are, what do I think the worst case scenarios are, and do I have enough bullets, firearms, food, medicine, and water to survive them?

          Mew

    • mutantone

      actually it is a continued effort by the president to eliminate the Constitution

      • Scope

        Truer words have never been spoken. O said it is a living breathing document, and it is currently on life support, in critical condition, with it’s demise imminent, if we don’t get rid of this anti-American jerk.

  • carolina

    Pretty depressing. Our govt is failing wide open.

  • carolina

    Pretty depressing. Our govt is failing wide open.

  • carolina

    Now McConnell-Reid will go to the House and they will maybe add *some* G6 stuff……
    BO may agree to short term ceiling while they work out the details – if they agree to a ‘framework’.
    So….. forget G6.

    • Scope

      or at least many of them always were a feckless crowd. Many sit on the fence, putting their fingers in the air to see which way the wind is blowing, and have no real deep seated principles. Some are single issue voters that only vote for or support those that pander to their special interest. I will go so far as to say that McConnell’s treachery is all that is needed to send the Paulies into the liberal camp, or to a third party, or to not voting at all if Paul doesn’t win the nomination. Many of those independents are itching for a third party, and no one should be encouraging them. For the last number of years, it has been predicted that in order to win, you must get many of the independents to vote for you, and that may be correct. It has caused the GOP candidates to sully their messages, redefine their positions, pander to, and in some cases be for something in this location, but against it in another location. Seems we are no longer getting candidates who have polices, positions, and beliefs that are in their honest souls. They are ever chasing that elusive vote of a segment, that sure is growing, but is as unpredictable as the weather. More than time for candidates to state their honest beliefs and positions, and let the cards fall where they may.

      • jerry39

        I would add that it is often the media that shape the wispy short term views of independents, but that Reagan to Obama care and many examples in-between demonstrate that the media can only cloak the truth for so long. By following the independents you follow the media – which will eventually turn on you no matter how liberal you act. Meanwhile if you would have had a spine and spoke the truth from conviction the independents may follow you instead.

    • unclefred

      Right. Even assuming that is true, that is not the relevant question. The question is are they going to vote for four more years of this disaster? The answer is not likely.

      The house needs to hold the line. As has been suggested here they should pass a $300-$400 billion debt ceiling increase in conjunction with dollar for dollar IMMEDIATE spending cuts. They should offer this as a stopgap while CCB is being considered and to give the house and Senate time to pass the BBA.

      Then stand firm. Period. Alternatively they could pass several $100 billion debt ceiling increases, each with specific dollar for dollar cut to current spending, and let the Senate mix and match.

      Obama will cave. He has this little issue with the constitutional requirement to pay the debt interest and social security first.

      Hold the line guys.

      • gregorysstewart

        A little chess is necessary here.

        Obama has said that he will not go along with a small package, BUT by dangling the gang of six deal in front of him, he has two choices. He can jump on it and accept that the deal cannot be done in time, thus he will have to accept a short deal in the 500B area, or he can reject it and take full blame for what will happen.

        Once the short deal is in place, the house Republicans will have no incentive to vote it into law, and we will have approximately six months to wring further discipline from our federal budget.

        Six months from now, while Obama is trudging through the snows of Iowa and New Hampshire, he will not want to play a game of mine is bigger than yours with a reelection around the corner. He will not be able to swallow a big deal with real cuts, of course, but he will be up for another half a trillion in real cuts to keep the game going until after the election.

        Before you know it, we will have wrung 1 trillion in real cuts out of the budget, for 1 trillion in debt increase.

        Then you will have a lame duck session, where the real work can get done.

  • mndasher

    The GOP is called the Stupid party for a reason, and the Democrats are known as the evil party for a reason. For some reason the GOP can never understand that the Democrats are evil ALL the time.

    Evil always beats Stupid.

    • Kyle-MI

      When the GOP compromises with the Dems we get something that is both stupid and evil.

  • renny

    Scr*w the Sen. which has until this burst of participation has been generally catatonic since Jan.

  • johnnyd

    nt

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      .

    • Scope

      the liberal northeastern states for electing Obama. So what is your point?

    • nvrepub

      nt

      • johnnyd

        Thanks, for correcting me.

        Anyways nvrepub does SEIU still have control over the voting machines in NV? And is anyone doing anything about it?

        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/27/watchdog-warns-seiu-contract-nevada-voting-machines-poses-fraud-concern/

        And what was the story on how he was re-elected. It just amazes me that Reid was one of the crooks that forced Obamacare down out throats and he came out squeeky clean.

  • Adjoran

    someone points out one single time in the last 40 years where Democrats in Congress agreed to “future spending cuts” as part of a deal and did NOT break their promise.

    I remember several times when they lied and refused to deliver the cuts they had agreed to, but none where they actually followed through. But I don’t want to say they have ALWAYS been liars and cheats on these deals, in case my memory is bad.

    Anybody?

    One single time?

  • Adjoran

    and calling people like Coburn – whose lifetime ACU rating is second only to DeMint among sitting Senators – a sellout or RINO or turncoat is just not productive. Ditto for McConnell, Boehner, Cantor, and anyone else you happen to disagree with on some issues.

    Now is NOT the time for the Night of the Long Knives. Doing so is frankly STUPID and suicidal. It’s the surest way to reelect Obama and endanger even the House majority next year.

    Even Stalin was smart enough to know you don’t start the purges until you have a solid grip on power.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      The prize is a ‘win’ and a win is simply getting what we said we would do all along:
      A debt ceiling raise with serious near-term spending cuts.

      The CUT part of cut, cap and balance is available as a starting point for a short-term debt ceiling raise:
      http://rsc.jordan.house.gov/Solutions/debtceiling.htm

      … or get the ‘grand bargain’ – cut, cap and balance.

  • JSobieski

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/paul-ryan-sees-problems-gang-six-budget-framework_577163.html

    I think Paul Ryan is overly polite in his analysis.

    One thought I don’t hear expressed much is how the Gang of 6 proposal is actually far worse than the Obama “balanced’ framework where the ratio of cuts to tax increases was far more in our favor.

    I suspect that Obama’s framework (I won’t call it a plan) was probably so poorly thought out that it would have turned to dust even had the R’s agreed to the $1T in tax increases.

    My prediction of the outcome:
    (1) its not resolved by August 2nd OR
    (2) we go back to small ball discussions where the debt ceiling is raised a couple of hundred billion, $20-$50B in “cuts” are pledged, and the can is kicked down the road.

    I actually think option (2) isn’t bad for us, in that the November election in 2012 is probably more important than any deal we can get at this point.

    • Scope

      is the best option for the Republicans right now. While Obama and Reid still have power, and Obama said he would raise the debt limit himself if he didn’t get an acceptable plan, it is all but moot for the Republicans to even try to get anything through that is acceptable to the R’s.

      By screaming and shouting and throwing hissy fits against the Republican leadership, by Republicans all over the web, it is only playing into the Democrats hands with the message being, we have some really dumb R’s in Washington.

      You never see those types of attacks by Democrats, against Democrats, especially those in Washington. They don’t air their dirty laundry for everyone to see. If a D steps out of line, or votes the wrong way, the Democrats quietly find a primary opponent, fund and support the opponent, and send the turncoat packing. They don’t hang their own in public.

      Sadly I must say, the Democrats are much more unified than the Republicans, and a unified voice is much more powerful and successful.

      • JSobieski

        Its easy for democrats to be unified because the press doesn’t try to pry them apart. In contrast, the MSM desparately wants a Boehner-Cantor rift. Chuckie Schumer has tried to plant the seeds of that meme more than twice in the past two weeks.

        Small ball is fine with me. Its directionally correct, keeps the issue front and center, and shows that the R’s aren’t being unreasonable.

        The time for the heavy lifting is 2013.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    How can the GOP House, which resisted penny ante tax hikes that Obama wanted, go along with the massive trillions in tax hikes in the gang-of-size plan?

    And how on earth can one-third of GOP Senator fall for this garbage?

    Dont these GOP senators have any better ideas?

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    “The GOP.” “The Republican Party.” “The Republicans.”

    Lots of comments flying around by Redstaters about the above. In this thread and others. And in the Diaries.

    Let’s be clear. “The Republican Party” consists of the MEMBERS of the Republican Party. Are YOU a member of “the Republican Party?” That is, are you eligible, where you live, to vote for the officers of the Party?

    As far as those of us who are “in” the Party are concerned,, what those who are not “in” the Party say really doesn’t matter much. Unless of course you happen to have lots, and lots. of money to contribute to Republican candidates. Or to soft money accounts.

    The real way to change “the GOP” is to become a voting member of it.

    Go to the links below to learn more.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

    • audax

      …leading up to and starting the week of August 27th in Tampa Florida!

      The nominating caucuses start in January, with Iowa usually up first. Folks, this is what the primaries and caucuses are all about, not just voting for your favorite candidate but also voting as to WHO will represent YOU at the “Grand Old Party” Nominating Conventions ending in Tampa the Week of August 27th 2012. So get there as a voting delegate! How:

      1.) GOP Precinct Committeemen elect delegates to the GOP District and GOP State Conventions.

      2.) Delegates to the GOP State Convention elect the GOP National Committeemen and State Party Chairman representing their State at the National level as well as Nominating Delegates to the GOP Nominating Convention held every four years.

      3.) Delegates to the GOP Nominating Convention elect The GOP Presidential Nominee. ONLY Delegates to the GOP Nominating Convention can vote for the eventual GOP Nominee!

      So if you REALLY want to have a “Grand Old Party” head to your NEXT GOP monthly County meeting and become a precinct delegate. For an even BIGGER “Grand Old party” take your like minded conservative-noun friends and neighbors and elect yourselves to the Executive Committe, the Rules Committee and the Nominations Committee (sometimes this is the Executive Committee).

      Read up on Cold Warriors Precinct Project and get some ideas on how to proceed when you run into obstacles the RINO Establishment throw up. Believe me they don

  • mutantone

    Cut the debt by as much as $3.7 trillion over the next decade.

  • rj145

    Who coined this “Gang of Six” label? Can we really expect anything good to come from a gang? We already have more trouble than we can handle from the “Gang of One” in the White House.

    Once upon a time there was at least the appearance of dignity in the Congress of the United States. Their past and present tactics suggest that perhaps the “gang” label is appropriate.

  • scottb

    the way I read the plan it would raise the debt. Isn’t that defeating their own purpose?

  • gonzo55

    My biggest problem with the plan put forward by the 6 senate geniuses telling the 234 elected house democrats how to run the country is that it amounts to the largest tax increase in American history.

    By lowering marginal rates (i.e. top rate going from 35% to 23%), tax revenue will go up, and if the experience of Reagan, Bush, and Kennedy have taught us anything, go up by a lot. This will just encourage more profligate spending on the part of Dear Leader Obama and his socialist buddies in Congress. The goal of any defeicit reduction plan should be to REDUCE taxes, not increase them, as the gang’s plan does. This is why any decrease in marginal rates should be offset by lump-sum tax rebates to all taxpayers, possibly with the amount of the rebate increasing in income, to incentive job creators.

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  • derechista76

    …Coburn was a fake all along. He is revealed as a typical keep-Washington-all-powerful politician. Typical clubby, check-panted, how-can-I-make-Dems/media-love-me Senate Republican.

    Evidence?: he cut the knees out from underneath the CCB Republicans in the House on the day of their historic vote. I allege that he conspired with Obama in this effort. Evidence?: he admits to rejoining the gang-bangers after lengthy phone calls with his buddy Obama.

    What did he get in return? No, the good Dr. did not secure the repeal of Obamacare, nor anything else of importance for sullying his unearned reputation. He got a 500 page pile of protect-Washington bs.

    Coburn: a royal, Obama-enabling POS.

  • carolina

    got additional cuts in healthcare spending as his ‘price’ for rejoining the G6. They make it sound like he ‘sold out’ for $116 Bil.

  • Kyle-MI

    The man served 3 terms in the House and term limited himself because that was one of his campaign promises. He went back to his medical practice.

    He is on his second term in the Senate.

    It is not like he is going on and off lobbying jobs. If he wanted to get rich, he would have done it after his stint in the House.

    His conservative record up to this point has been fantastic. It is like he just drove off a political cliff and threw away everything he had been working for. It is just weird and unexplainable. If I was into the black helicopter theories, I would think he was blackmailed or suddenly went senile.

    Not that I would vote for him ever again (if I lived in OK) after this fiasco.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    He was and in some ways still is an awesome individual and a good conservative.

    HOWEVER, like other former conservatives like Sen Hatch and others, he seems to have let Washington change him rather than change Washington. He has spent so much time in the fishbowl, he is getting aclimated to the BS wherein if I need to cut $10 trillion to save the country and the destroyers of the country insist on $0 trillion, he compromises and accepts $5 trillion.

    Sad, because on Sunday he made clear he felt that a small amount of savings was not enough. All he had to do was come out with his $9 trillion solution and say – “This is what we really need to do” and stand behind it.

    Instead he cuts the legs from under his own solution AND cut cap and balance by joining the gang of six. To what end? Pushing a bad idea because it is less bad than status quo?

    That way lies the old “extract defeat out of jaws of victory” trick that Republicans always play.

    There is only one way to end Big Government. End it. Cut the Spending. Fight it. Every day, in every way. No holds barred. No stone unturned. No compromise. No surrender. No letup. Keep going after it.

    Coburn forgot that lesson. He is now like an ex-prize-fighter, on the bench and of no use.

  • derechista76

    Probably secured some more vague Obama promises to fight waste, fraud, and abuse, etc. But, I strongly believe that his cohort, Sen. Dick “Gulag” Durbin, stood guard to prevent real, structural reforms.

  • derechista76

    …and secured wealth through caving. I’m alleging that, after all of his posturing, he is revealed as a typical, center-left Republican senator.

    The timing of his announcement couldn’t have been worse for the conservative, reform Washington cause building momentum in the House. He torpedoed that. He#*, I knew on Sat., just by following a few websites, that the House was voting Tues. on CCB. Coburn knew it and proceeded caving anyway, after lengthy phone coversations with Obama.

    On the wealth angle, who knows? A certain former Dr. (R) Sen. Maj. Ldr. from Tenn. (ok, Frist) is slobbering over Obamacare. Going to make hundreds of millions off of it and supports it wholeheartedly. Guess another Dr. (R) Sen. from OK could cash in on the gravy train somehow, if he chose. Course, would help if he was a major shareholder in a huge hospital chain. But, being a sellout to Obamacare’s namesake could have major financial benefits within this realm.

  • runner12

    of Coburn is spot on. The man has held almost an impeccable record up to this point and could care less if he was liked or not. He was not and is not a RINO. He does have one chink in his armor though, and that is that he still believes in gentlemanly politics and that often comes out as naivete and an almost willful blindness to the plots of others.

    However, this still does not entirely explain to me his recent actions. I am absolutely perplexed at his support of this sham of a plan and I hate to see him throw away his legacy like this.

    Sad to say it, but if he were running again, I could not in good conscience vote for him either.

  • derechista76

    “spending political capital.” Coburn has coined a new phrase, which is flushing a career’s worth of political capital. What a crying shame.

    It’s really the scheming with Obama and the timing of his announcement on Tues. that caused me to question his genuineness.
    And the (D’s) don’t respect him any more today than they did Monday. They’ll throw him out with the trash when they’re through with him.

    And now, back in OK, he may get the Ole Cornhusker Kickback treatment and not be able to go out pizza without getting an earful.

    Poor Coburn. Sold his soul to the benefit of Barry, David Ploufe (sic?), and the DNC. All in the spirit of gentlemanly politics. Possibly.

  • gunslingr45

    Sorry but he is now. In fact I would go as far to say he is trying to dislodge tricky dick (opps I said dick) lugar as Obumber’s favorite “R.”

    So many RINO

  • JSobieski

    Whether his assessment turns out to be better or worse than yours is yet to be definitely proven.

    Any human being is capable of error. Any human being can be fooled. Coburn’s actions on this may be the result of error. He did not however sell his soul.

  • Flagstaff

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  • derechista76

    But, if I were in the business of politics and the only concrete plan on our side were advancing beautifully on a Tues., I would not have announced my caving to Dick Durbin and Barack Obama on said Tues.
    A little too elementary to chalk up to “error,” especially after his phone calls scheming with Obamacare’s namesake.

  • JSobieski

    To characterize his phone calls with Obama as scheming is unfair. If the President of the US calls you, you talk.

    I agree with you that his decisionmaking seems poor on this, and his timing is attrocious—-but to impugn to his integrity as selling out is simply unfair.

    Our party has a fair number of sellouts and RINOs, but Coburn is not one of them.

  • derechista76

    …Sen. Tom Coburn sold out our cause by announcing on Tues. He sold out. And, he admits, it was after conferring with The One, his good buddy.

    No, he didn’t decide to join arms with the likes of Demint, Lee, and Rubio. In the moment when we needed him, he chose Obama, Durbin, and even, believe it or not, a marxist in Chrus Coons (Coons gushed over the Gang on Tues.).

  • Flagstaff

    nt

  • JSobieski

    Doesn’t mean he sold out.

    Democrats make a habit of accusing people who they disagree with of lying, cheating, selling out, etc. when the situation is really one of being wrong. The whole “Bush lied/people died” meme was born of this lack of logic.

    So far you are saying that the 2nd most conservative Senator in the Senate is a turn coat because he (1) spoke with the President and (2) made a decision we don’t agree with. That is not enough so say that Coburn sold out. Its like accusing a spouse of cheating because they are talking to someone and disagreeing with you.

  • derechista76

    He actually said he made his decision to rejoin the gang as the result of talking with the president. Another interpretation: He blinked when asked to do so by the president. The Gang’s pile of garbage is the result.

    “Decision we don’t agree with” is pretty mild, too. This Congress was really elected to make great progress in two areas: 1) thwart full implementation of, or repeal, Obamacare and 2) dramatically cut government spending. On point 1), our good Dr. has been noticibly quiet and mostly absent (remind you, we are talking about a Dr./Sen. who would bring great credibility to the issue, too.), So, on point one we have not just failed, we’ve even failed to try. So, given the absence of an effort on point one, shouldn’t we expect a robust effort on point two. No, instead, we’re getting an effort based on gimmicks and fakery. I expect our side at least fight for the real change envisioned in the House effort. Coburn’s action on Tues killed that effort before it took its second breath.

  • acat

    and while I’m happy to give Coburn a chance to explain this – let us not rush to judgement! – that he’s looking at a deal with Durbin is very concerning.

    Mew

  • JSobieski

    Sometimes your adversary asks you to do something, and you do it because you think it benefits you more than the adversary. In 1980, Democrats were begging Republican primary voters to vote for Ronald Reagan because they thought he would be a weak candidate. Republican voters obliged, not because they agreed but because they disagreed. Under your logic, a Republican voting for RR in 1980 was a sell out if they spoke with a Carter pollster before voting.

    We don’t know the underlying analysis that Coburn is following. Maybe he is convinced that Obama would purposely destroy the US economy on Aug 3rd? Maybe he thinks he can steer the Gang of 6 to something worthwhile? Maybe he thinkgs the Gang of 6 is just to show that R’s are trying to compromise? Who knows. You certainly don’t know what his decision-making is being based on.

    Congress was never going to repeal Obamacare before 2013. Congress was elected in 2010 to stop further intrusions in the economy and to resist future spikes in government spending. The vast majority of the public discussion since November has been with us on offense. Trying to implement cuts, trying to repeal Obamacare, etc.

  • runner12

    It is quite sad to see a man who once championed conservatism let Washington turn him into a has-been.