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These ‘I regret my 2008 vote’ pieces are going to be excruciating…

By: Moe Lane (Diary)  |  January 24th, 2010 at 02:15 PM  | 

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…entertainingly common, but excruciating. Anyway, my takeaway from the Jill Dorson piece (via Hot Air Headlines) in which she regrets her Obama vote:

  1. Not to be unkind, but I really don’t care if you’re just sorry for you, not me. I have to live with the consequences of your vote, too. As does my family. And the country, for that matter.
  2. You admit that your first impression of George W Bush was incorrect. You admit that your first impression of Barack Obama was incorrect. You admit that your first impression of what an Obama administration would entail is incorrect. And then you spend an amazing amount of precious apology time revisiting your unfavorable first impression of THAT WOMAN. Have you considered following the trend line, there?
  3. While we’re on the subject: you are aware that THAT WOMAN made many of the same objections about Obama’s experience and future plans, yes? I mean, really: there was no reason for anybody to be surprised at what happened.
  4. I’d like to quote your closing:

Like many others, my view is narrow. I vote for the candidate I think will be best for me. I often define myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. But above all, I want to feel safe and I don’t want to feel that I am being ripped off. I want a president who inspires me and cares about my contribution to the fabric of the country. I want a president with experience and savvy, a Commander in Chief who puts our country and its citizens first.

I only hope the Republicans can find him the next time around.

If your outrage isn’t enough to make you actively want to work to find that supposedly better candidate, by all means: stay with the Democratic party. You’d just get in our way anyway.

Moe Lane

Crossposted to Moe Lane.

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  • RedBeard

    Couldn’t agree more, Moe.

    This sort of idiocy is frustrating. Where was this person during the campaign, when information about Obama’s true nature and agenda was freely available to anyone interested?

    Perhaps getting one’s political news and information from comedians and fish wrappers is not the most profitable use of one’s time.

  • louisiana

    to ruin a Sunday:) Good Grief! My first thought was that she is probably representative of alot of people that voted for O. “Palin climbed out of her igloo”? What an imbecile. What was her epiphany? The fact that O couldn’t protect her against the next fruit of the boom bomber? Oh, and like O, it’s all about HER, isn’t it?

  • http://www.dcworksforus.com Kenny Solomon

    1. I will not accept your apologies.

    2. I will never ever forgive you.

    3. If the SHTF in America, you’re on your own.

  • gawntrail1

    When this inevitably becomes ‘the thing’ to do (walking back their vote) and they come grovelling for forgiveness………..all the while trying to ‘justify’ their transgression, we should simply and bluntly:

    humiliate and berate them.

  • clement

    why did she vote for the one person who had the least amount of it?

  • jeffreywturner

    Idiots like this, who are “surprised” to find that Obama is an ideologue, and has surrounded himself by ideologues, need to forced to listen to hours of recordings of Sarah Palin repeating the phrase “I told you so”.

  • bigalsouth

    . . . as it is easily cured by education. The problem is that many folks think they are getting enough of the facts from CNN to make an intelligent choice for a candidate for national public office.

  • Leopard1996

    But you are an F’ing moron, for two reasons. 1. You fell for the McCain might die smear that was getting peddled aroung. 2. You fell for the Palin is stupid MSM slant on everything. Because of that, you voted for an assclown who is trying everything in his power to make the U.S some sort of Socialist utopia, because in his arrogance, he and his people, can make something that has been seen as a failure time and time again work.

    To that honey, I tell you to take your self absorbed apology to yourself and KMA.

  • muffin

    Our ultra liberal newspaper published an article today concerning how people who voted for bho feel now. I read some of their responses: “I’m giving him a chance.” “I still support him.” “The economy is bad because he inherited it.” I just could not read any more of this. If hubby didn’t want to read the local news, we would stop getting the newspaper. He’s a fervent Fox News viewer, though, and he relies on me to keep him abreast of what’s happening.

  • IJB

    And I’d add:

    4. Oh, and I *DO* blame you, and I’ll figure out some way to get you people back later!

    Love,

    48

  • http://www.phxgonline.com phxg

    fake independents did, that “R” party affiliation.

    Palin is just an excuse.

    And in 2012, whomever is on the ticket will produce another “but” to why she voted for the Democrat.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    John McCain infuriates me at times as much as the next guy, but if he isn’t this:

    I want a president with experience and savvy, a Commander in Chief who puts our country and its citizens first.

    then nobody is.

  • mbecker908
  • Vegas_Rick

    Cutting and without empathy. Just the way I like it. :)

  • JSobieski

    and they behave a bit more humbly the next time they get in an argument with someone who voted against Obama.

    Otherwise, its just another child who acted stupidly without learning any lessons

  • mbecker908
  • JSobieski

    at which point, we can let it go.

    However, this is not a situation that can be forgiven on the cheap. Such people must be made to face their own willing arrogance and lack of reality-based judgment.

  • E Pluribus Unum

    It is stupid people like her, gullible, suckers for the media spin, that voted in the most radically leftist (not to mention incompetent, unqualified) bunch of buffoons in American history.

    Everybody on the right already knew what we were in for, and we did not exactly keep it a secret. This idiot will fall for the next media line about the next left-wing boy president-in-waiting. She got bitten, and knows it, but has learned nothing from it.

    I look forward to this moron chaining herself to a cement truck and driving it off the Golden Gate Bridge. That would be a service to the country.

  • muffin

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

  • clintonformccain

    I don’t regret any of my votes in 2008.

    I have a very basic threshold test. Is a candidate experienced enough and with sufficient gravitas to be commander-in-chief and President of the United States. I know they will make mistakes. I know I will disagree with them, but is the fundamental experience and understanding of the job in place?

    I don’t even want to hear from a candidate lacking on that score.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    Lazy ignorance?

    That’s what it is. People have been conditioned to believe the media as a source of truth and they’re too lazy to go looking for the facts for themselves.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C
  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    so they can’t do it again.

  • aelie

    I didn’t vote for Obama, and I have nothing to be sorry about. Simple, isn’t it? :)

  • clintonformccain

    If you hate the articles, imagine how you would feel if you had watched Obama and the DNC steal the nomination by throwing away the primary votes of two major states (Florida and Michigan).

    Of course, I do get to laugh at Howard Dean engineering that theft and then not even being offered a gig as ambassador to Trinidad/Tobago. And, the last laugh is on the Kennedys and Kerrys who ignored the overwhelming preference of Massachusetts voters in endorsing The One. I enjoyed, very much, kicking them in the keister last week.

    But, no, I’m not interested in a bunch of complaining from Obama democrats and pundits, many of whom were in on the heist. I mean, I still can’t believe nobody would cover the Rezko sleeze.

  • mbecker908

    I wonder who dresses and feeds these idiots.

  • writeblock

    We’ve achieved some sort of clarity with Obama’s election. The way I see it is that his overreach has reconfigured the political landscape. Not only has the GOP been revived, but conservatism has been vindicated.

  • mbecker908

    Which I would be in favor of.

    Although exile is good too as long as we take their passport, revoke their citizenship and put them on a “no fly” list. And preferably ship them to equatorial Africa.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    it’s a whole lot easier to pretend to care and then go back to sleep without ever having done anything to really make a difference. Anything that can be done to encourage the Politically Brain-dead to keep watching MTV, and the like, and just stay asleep and at home on Election days is what is needed.

    (RS Liberal Laziness – definition and examples)

  • writeblock

    …but to make those kinds of excuses. The voting public knows better–even in Massachusetts–mainly because health care is not an abstraction since it involves personal survival and well-being. An issue like that tends to focus a common-sensical mind pretty quickly with reality trumping pie-in-the-sky every time. There has been a huge loss of credibility on the part of major newspapers and pundits and nothing they say can change this.

  • http://www.dirkworld.com dirkbelig

    …but stupidity is a terminal condition.

  • Republican_Michigander

    If these fools were as educated and intellectual as we are, they would have had the critical thinking to determine that Obama was too inexperienced, too incompetent, and not ready for the job. I told you so!

    Peggy Noonan. Kathleen Parker. Jill Dorson. Chris Buckley. Colin Powell. Wayne Gilchrist.

    I don’t want to hear it. You OWN this. Suck it up, and get the hell out of my way while the experts fix your mess. The real experts are us, not you.

    So screw off.

  • writeblock

    …had McCain won. Not worse–just bad. Obama has revived conservatism and changed the political landscape. In that sense he’s brought hope and change–to conservatives.

  • quill67

    She was fooled. Obama fooled her and many others. He hid who he was and even though many of us figured out who he was, most did not. Haven’t many people been fooled by socialist before? Promising great things and only a very few “rich” would have to pay? So I say STOP. Stop berating people who do not follow politics as closely as we. How many people learned what liberal democrats are like from experiencing President Carter? Did Ayn Rand not learn much about what she wrote from first hand experience under the communists?

    So I say to her: Welcome. Glad you learned your lesson. Inform yourself about what has been going on and tell as many people as you can, and then teach your children so that when they grow up they won’t be fooled by the next great socialist talker.

  • JadedByPolitics

    and that will be the EXCUSE of all those idiots who voted for a persona and and not someone who could run our country! WE 48% who KNEW BETTER have to suffer under the weight of an Idiot because 4% got caught up in a “dream”.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    Although treasonous behavior, I think the country at large wouldn’t care for them being hanged as Ben Franklin would have done but exile seems fitting since they hate this country anyway. Nor should they be able to profit monetarily from that thing they hate so much.

  • RedBeard

    And I’ll repeat what I said earlier. If a person can’t be bothered to learn the facts before voting, that person should also not bother to vote.

  • http://www.libertylives.org madnorskie

    Is it really beneficial to berate those who we failed to capture in the last election, but who now are more open to what we have to say? The past is history and we can’t change that. However we have a tremendous opportunity over the next few years to not only win elections, but to explain to those who have been left disillusioned by Obama the foundations and principles of conservatism. For the first time since perhaps Reagan was elected, vast numbers of Americans are open to the idea of liberty and self-governance. These foundational beliefs can awaken the political spirit of an individual for a lifetime. If we do our part in teaching and inspiring, we can affect long term change in the electorate; freeing us from the pendulum of random events and political maneuvering. Lets not waste it by appealing to our base desires to insult and demonize.

  • JoeG

    I really, really dislike John McCain. Yet those idiots of Florida who put him in the insurmountable lead of the Republican nomination forced him upon us as the nominee.

    I, like many others, held my nose and put a check mark next to that…. well, let’s not break site rules. I did so because the alternative was so terrible. In the end it was all for naught.

    For the first time in my life, I really regretted my vote.

  • JoeG

    if John McCain is alive and well in January 2013.

  • rsss

    In her article, she admits wanting to remain ignorant and additionally takes a couple of gratuitous shots at Sarah Palin.

    She hasn’t learned her lesson yet.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister
  • JadedByPolitics

    just let STUPID people come and go at will. Just like little children they must learn not to make the same mistake again. What will she do the next time a supposedly good looking, charismatic LIAR comes along? she will of course VOTE for him because she doesn’t THINK she “feels” and that is NOT Independence that is STUPID!

    BTW I guess you think it is fine for her the SNIPE like trailer trash at another woman to make the case for why she is an idiot? you might I DO NOT!

  • AHL

    by the following:

    Elections. Have. Consequences.

    I don’t know who this Jill Dorson person is, but she’s very clearly an idiot.

  • Vegas_Rick

    For some folks. Me? I needs me some payback. And I will berate at every opportunity. Stupidity, or as you suggest, lack of interest, is no excuse. This is important $%&t. If they had passed on just one episode of Survivor or American Idol, and instead did a little research on the boy king, we wouldn’t be in this fix.

    I’m glad she learned her lesson, but she’s still culpable.

  • Achance

    the Communications Director for the Chamber of Commerce, or at least that’s the bio I find when I asked Ask. If that really is the kind of person the National Chamber thinks should be representing business, a lot of businesses should stop being members of the Chamber.

  • writeblock

    I was adding to what you said, not refuting it.

  • mbecker908

    All the info was out there. And THE most critical piece, the fact that he had never led or managed anything was out there and talked about every day. Go reread the freaking article. The stupid twit hasn’t learned a thing. She’s every bit as stupid as when she walked into the voting booth.

    This woman is, at very best, a damn fool who is so stupid I can’t imagine who feeds her.

    What needs to be said to her is: enjoy it stupid, it’s your fault. If terrorists – make that WHEN terrorists – take advantage of Obama’s continued deconstruction of our national security apparatus the blood shed is your hands Jilly. I sincerely hope you wake up screaming with nightmares every day of your life.

    Oh, and get sterilized.

  • USNJIMRET

    She’s “sorry for her vote for Nobama”, yet spends most of the remainder of her little rant ‘explaining’ how it’s really all John McCain’s fault that she voted as she did?
    She was leaning toward McCain, but his unconscionable selection of the Igloo dwelling twit from Alaska changed all that?
    Does she actually expect that anyone who might be remotely interested in her apology is going to believe that pap?
    Or is, as seems more likely, her intent to continue working on her excuse for the social small talk circuit she might travel in? How she needs to be able to acknowledge that Nobama isn’t ‘all’ that she and her ilk had hoped for, but it’s not really her/their fault, they were fooled more by the dirty, underhanded actions of the RINO, then by the outright lies and false hopes spewed by their now fallen ‘hero’?
    As others have noted, an apology isn’t accepted.
    Particularly when the apologist takes so much time to blaming someone else for her short sighted vision of the world.
    AND she makes not even a half hearted promise to look further then the slick PR campaign the next time.
    Folks like her are a HUGE part of the reason why the current political scene in America is full of ideologues, tools and fools.
    And, IMO, an even bigger part of why there should be some serious consideration given to there being more requirement then showing up in order to vote!

  • bs

    as was anyone else who voted for this bald-faced liar. Sorry, one did not need to be a political genius to figure out that Barack Obama was a lying liar who lies. Good grief, all anyone had to do was listen to the litany of relationships with criminals, terrorists and other shady characters the guy hung around with. Palin wasn’t kidding when she said he “pal’d around with terrorists”.

    Anyone who is surprised by what this clown has perpetrated on the USA was not fooled. They were willfully ignorant, gullible, and blind, deaf and dumb. All they had to do was read the friggin’ newspaper.

  • Finrod

    If you’re ignorant and stupid, you shouldn’t vote; instead you should let others that are more clueful decide things for you.

  • bs

    I have written before that we should limit the franchise somehow. An intelligence test would be a good start, but I’d settle for the old standard of property ownership.

  • Achance

    The only Jill Dorson I could find used to be the Communication Director for the Chamber of Commerce. Sure hate to see my dues wasted on that!

  • redneck_hippie

    Tape the confessions of those who want absolution for their vote. And then force them to watch Obama speeches in an endless loop.

  • furious

    …for a President, they were voting for a BOYFRIEND. The younger, hipper, edgier alternative to the older man from Arizona.

    Turns out Boyfriend isn’t all his Yahoo! Personals profile ( and Oprah) promised. Nothing there about the insecurity and resort to bullying brought on by adversity.

    “Jill Dorson and her ilk” also voted for Bill Clinton, but in Bubba’s case the ladies had prior warning he was a bounder and thought they could change him regardless.

  • http://www.campaignfreedom.org Brad Smith

    You know, I understand the sentiment, which my friend Laura Ingraham was voicing on her program this week, too. But isn’t this, “I don’t want to hear it, stay with the Democrats” approach, well, wrong? Don’t we really want to welcome these people back to the fold? OK, so there was a time when they weren’t here. But they’re here now. Is it really smart to tell them to go back to the other team?

  • USNJIMRET

    Or is she just seeking absolution from the consequences that she played a part in bringing about, because it’s all really John McCain’s fault?
    Reading her article, I did NOT get the impression she intends to do one iota more research into the agenda, ideas, philosophy, plans or anything else about the next candidate for anything.
    She sounds like someone who will vote for whoever the Republican Party puts up next time……so long as it is NOT Sarah Palin. (Against whom she harbors an obvious hate, without bothering to offer even one reason.)
    I guess she is expecting the same media that refused to look past page one of the Nobama myth, to perform a more honest job the next time?
    She doesn’t want an education, she wants forgiveness for a mistake, while giving clear warning that she is going to do it again!

  • aesthete

    proof of citizenship as a requirement in many states, I’d say that it’ll by a long ways until we can limit the franchise in a rational way.

    Oh BTW, it’s always funny to see progressives complain about corporations buying votes and politicians, considering that smaller government and an intelligent restriction of the franchise are surefire ways to curtail said influence.

    Oh yeah, I despise GOTV crap, especially when it targets young adults. If you weren’t going to vote until Ludacris or Hannah Montana told you to, you shouldn’t be voting at all.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister
  • http://www.campaignfreedom.org Brad Smith

    Let’s see… Obama won last election. So to win next election, we probably need to convert some Obama voters to be GOP voters. But we cannot let Obama voters switch! We must never forgive! We must not welcome them to the fold!

    What’s wrong with this picture, guys? Thanks Quill67 – finally a cooler head shows up.

  • kateusa

    …bang my head against the wall, and reminded me of the “man on the street” schtick that Hannity does on occasion where he asks passers-by who the vice president is (half don’t know), and why they voted for Obama (most say change, but can’t be specific). It really is downright scary that so many people are so easily influenced by sound-bites and superficial campaign rhetoric, never bother to investigate candidates’ records, and have no clear idea what they are voting for. I spent 10 days at the polls last year during early voting handing out campaign literature and witnessed many people who showed up to vote even though they still hadn’t decided who they were voting for.

  • furious

    …The “I….I…..I…..I….” repetition, the obligatory (“She’s prettier and more fertile than me, I hate her”) dismissal of Sarah Palin, the reflexive faith in “educated people” all suggestive of cozy home-prepared dinners “Table-for-One” for her and “Fancy Feast” for her companion.

  • mbecker908

    please point out anywhere in that pathetic screed where this little twit actually “learned” anything?

    Thanks in advance.

  • furious

    …or tilt-heads” as Tim Blair called them, are apologizing on their own behalves instead of ours.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    This person named Jill Dorson said:

    “Like many others, my view is narrow. I vote for the candidate I think will be best for me. I often define myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. But above all, I want to feel safe and I don’t want to feel that I am being ripped off. I want a president who inspires me and cares about my contribution to the fabric of the country. I want a president with experience and savvy, a Commander in Chief who puts our country and its citizens first.

    “I only hope the Republicans can find him the next time around.”

    “I vote.” “I want to feel safe and I don’t want to feel that I am being ripped off.” For Ms. Dorson, it’s all about how she feels. Not about what she thinks. (Although, to her credit, she did say she thought about which candidate would be best, but she obviously didn’t think too hard, as she admits.) And she WANTS a president of a certain type and HOPES she’ll have one delivered to he by the Republican Party.

    Voting’s not enough. Having feelings is not enough. Wanting and hoping for a different outcome from the Republican Party presidential primaries is not enough. Ms. Dorson thinks her mea culpa article has accomplished something. It has accomplished nothing but showing her to be someone who obviously has not a clue about the need for good people to get involved locally in the GOP so they can become voting members of it. Thereby, they can actually have a vote in who becomes the Party leaders and have a direct hand in, perhaps, creating conservative endorsments for the the BEST conservative candidates in the primary elections. They can do this by becoming precinct committeemen.

    And, of course, all the registered independents like Ms. Dorson will first have to re-register as Republicans.

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior
    No More Scozzafavas!

  • rsss

    but she does not indicate in her article that she wants to join our team.

  • USNJIMRET
  • Streiff

    as this case demonstrates

  • Vegas_Rick

    if we assumed that those who have suddenly had an epiphany have any plans to leave the Deceptocrats to join us. That would be a bad assumption to make. They’re just pissed that their Messiah turned out to be an empty suit. They don’t like to be wrong.

    But that doesn’t mean they want to be like us.

  • gawntrail1

    Any and all information was out there to be consumed.

    Radical ties. Check.
    Radical church. Check.
    No Legislative accomplishments. Check.
    No Resume. Check.

    I mean, come on. The guy wrote two books about himself before he ever did anything. But, we wouldn’t want the truth and facts stand in the way of feelings. Nope, that would be mean.

    Sorry. I don’t know about the rest of you here or anywhere else around this country, but, I AM NOT letting people off the hook. This was a snake oil pitch from Day 1……..

    And, how is it these people, after falling so blindly this time, are not going to be fooled again……..and again………..and again?

    Zebras, stripes, and all that.

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    My longer one is that while I’m not inclined to hold a person’s voting past against him or her, I don’t particularly need to listen to kibitzers. Jill Dorson has a problem: she doesn’t like the President. Fine. She has another problem: she’s not really happy with the GOP right now. Also fine, actually. Jill Dorson has zero interest in trying to actually change the GOP until she’s happy with the results; she just wants me to read her mind and do all the work myself.

    Not fine.

  • IJB

    ;)

  • IJB

    We are simply rejecting the Obama voters of Dorson’s ilk.

    Independent voters in the “I voted for Obama to punish Republicans for overspending” and “I’m a basically uninformed voter who voted for Obama because everyone else was” likely won’t get rejected, and may even be pursued, by our side…

  • smagar

    forced Jill to vote for Obama.

    I’ll bet Jill checks under her bed for boogeymen and Palins each night before she goes to bed.

  • hoosierdad

    A previous post linked to this infamous and pitiful statement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36?8rTb3jI

    She’s Peggy Joseph from Sarasota, Florida. Has anyone done a follow up with this woman to see how she’s doing with her free gas and mortgage payments?

    Seriously, could Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, or Fox News catch up with this woman and see how she responds to her 2008 statement?

  • Warrior

    all the comments here, so forgive me if I repeat.

    Nonetheless, GOOD GRIEF CHARLIE BROWN!! How many of these “I didn’t know” pieces from leftie/indy journalists/pundits have I ALREADY read. Dozens at least.

    Tell me, if these mavens of inside-the-beltway inter-connectivity who sometimes even had personal access to Teh Won could not tell what kind of person he was, why do they have jobs writing about current events?

    I mean, I don’t claim to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I was able, sitting back here in my easy chair in podunk Alabama (working a full-time, non-political job with plenty of extra-curricular activities to boot) to quickly deduce, even back in ’07, that Obambi was an unqualified, inexperienced, arrogant, Marxist, union stooge and Chicago Machine thug (and likely racist too) who couldn’t and shouldn’t be trusted with the local dog pound.

    So why was it so difficult for paid professionals with vastly more time, access and money at their disposal to do the same? Could it be that they are all 20 or 30 sumthin’ J-school graduates backed by 12 years of public school propaganda and so fully invested in the “middle-class-white-guilt” and “every-black-is-an-opressed-victim” memes that they couldn’t think straight? How much longer are we cgoing to let such people have free rein over the venues of public discourse? How many more imbeciles will we have to suffer before these children grow the H up?

    I tell you what. I like my job down heah’ amongst the casual, good-natured Alabama redneckery. But here’s a challenge to whatever geniuses are hiring these moonbats to write for their magazines, newspapers, TV shows, etc. If you pay me six figures, I will gladly move up Nawth forthwith and provide ACCUARTE and INSIGHTFUL commentary about politics, politicians, current events and so on. Just say the word.

  • Warrior

    I’ll add,

    5. Try not to be such an idiot next time.

  • Achance

    are imbeciles too, but since they all speak the same Ivy League language and think the same Ivy League thoughts, they all think they’re geniuses.

  • Warrior

    “disembowling” means to stop going bowling.

    I believe what we’re thinking of is “disemboweling.” A little too harsh for me, but maybe we should just stop them from bowling for a year. Nahhh, they probably don’t go bowling anyway…

    How about making them remove and dispose of every “Obama/Biden” bumper sticker and sign in extant today? Yessss

  • Warrior

    “Country First”? That should have been a clue for Jill…

  • Warrior

    take that tautalogical claptrap somewhere else. Either she learned her lesson or she didn’t. We weren’t able to “convert her” when it was painfully obvious the first time. She will have to “convert” herself. And maybe a little public humiliation will help that process along…

  • http://www.libertylives.org madnorskie

    Whether or not we think she may be open to understanding is not our place to decide and we have no ability to know. What we can assume however, is that if there is a chance that she is open to understanding and learning about true conservative principles, it is certain that by name calling and berating her you will close her off to our side forever. Not only that, but you will turn off any others who hear you do so. There are good, honest, and decent people who just aren’t as dialed into what is going on in the political world as we are…as much as we may expect them to be or believe that they should be. That’s just reality. The mainstream media isn’t going to tell our side, the schools aren’t…it’s up to us; we will fail if we treat them as if they are small.

    We have to decide what our mission is…is it to exact revenge or release frustration, is it to win the next election, or is it grow the conservative movement in the long term and re-establish our freedoms and liberties. Having read many of your posts Jim, I believe that you agree with me that the lattter is of most importance.

  • http://www.libertylives.org madnorskie

    Our assumptions are irrelevant. Brad is rightly making the point that by treating them with contempt we will only breed contempt within those who we may have a chance to bring over to our side. Elitism is the domain of the progressives, let’s leave it to them.

  • Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey

    Perhaps getting one?s political news and information from come
    dians and fish wrappers is not the most profitable use of one?s time

    It’s too good a quote to waste. It’s bumper sticker quality.

  • Warrior

    Gimme a break with this stuff. Jill, being a somewhat sentient person anyway, finally can read the writing on the wall and she wants to distance herself from the disaterous results it entails.

    Your reference to Reagan actually negates your point. If they couldn’t grasp “the idea of liberty and self-governance” from the Great Communicator, what are the chances they will from a Romney or even a DeMint? Highly unlikely.

    Just like Parker Griffith (the recent party switcher from AL,) she is trying to make hay while the sun shines and get on board the “not MY fault” Love Train. just as fast as she can. Sorry. I won’t let her on without some kind of reasonable and BELIEVABLE discussion of, for instance, what exactly does she have against Palin besides ad hominem attacks, SNL skits and other propaganda from the drive-bys? Or why the endless reporting of Obama’s terrorist and racist associations had no effect on her “judgement” the first time? Etc.

    Unless we ferret out these people and get an accounting from them, we will indeed have to suffer “from the pendulum of random events and political maneuvering” spun expertly by the MSM and followed blindly by the Jills of this world.

  • Warrior

    but this is not a cricket match. We can’t all quit at the end of the day and go home. This is life and death for our country and ourselves. We see that. We have to make Jill and her ilk understand it, too.

    IOW, she gets the poin that Obama is BAD for the country. What she doesn’t understand is that conservatism is the ONLY other answer. If we don’t get her attention, she will just be swayed by the next too-clever-by-half sponsored and covered for by the MSM and Marxists.

    The Communists are here for real. So am I.

  • Warrior
  • Warrior

    full time job as a requirement to vote? How about a clean drug screen?

  • Warrior

    we are realists. Again, sorry. But, Jill must get a verbal thumpin’ first. Then she can be welcomed into the party. Otherwise she won’t learn anything. We’ve got more than enough RINO’s now.

    Guess what? It’s elemental really. My friends and I once set our front yard on fire by throwing lit matches at each other. Believe me, when Daddy got home I was plenty sorry. Yet, that alone was not enough. However, getting a butt whoopin’ kept me from ever doing it again.

    Can you grasp the concept yet?

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I wouldn’t have mattered what McCain had done or said.

  • Warrior

    “Party of ONE!” Right this way…

  • itrytobenice

    Years ago, one of those “It’s your obligation to vote” programs was on TV and my mom said that it was wrong.

    It is not your obligation to vote. It is your obligation to be informed. Then you will vote, but your vote will be correct.

  • itrytobenice

    and fell in love:

    Anyway, my point is this: You, David Michael Green, voted for the empty vessel. That’s what you wanted. You didn’t want a candidate with a record of achievement (and failure). You didn’t want a man already measured. You wanted a blank slate. A blank slate you could project all your hopes and dreams upon without having to worry about reality.

    You got what you wanted.

    At the time of his election to the presidency, Barack Obama had no meaningful experience or accomplishments in the field of politics. You knew nothing of his character or his capacity to lead. You didn’t care. He looked the part and said the right things. Your imagination did the rest. Now that Obama is faced with real life, and his lack of experience and defects of character have been exposed in the most painful manner imaginable, you find yourself professing shock…

    Really? What did you expect? Seriously. What did you expect?

    You didn’t want the sort of politician who could draw on experience and strength of character to get things done, you wanted the sort of politician you could give yourself a big hug for supporting. It was never about Barack Obama; it was about you. And if he’s fucked it all up, it is in no small part because you fucked it all up, too. You got what you wanted. You wanted Barack Obama and you got him.

    That’s not Barack Obama’s fault.

    Dennis for President.

  • itrytobenice

    I didn’t notice that I should have edited that. Sorry guys (and mamas, chillren and grandparents.)

  • sharonmcp

    then I would have been unable to vote for the Republican candidate in every presidential race since Reagan’s first term.

    The husband and I sold our home and have been renters for quite a while. With the cost of home-owners insurance and taxes in Florida, it’s actually cheaper for us.

  • chbroussard

    “Don?t we really want to welcome these people back to the fold?”

    I seriously doubt if Jill was ever IN the fold. All the reasons for voting against Obama were right in front of our faces. If someone is too lazy to find out who and what they’re voting for, I’m not sure that having them in the fold would be an advantage for us.

  • Achance

    is merely flying the independent registration as a flag of convenience. If she’s who it looks like she is, she’s your basic groovy college educated femminst liberal but since she knows that a party affiliation limits your job opportunities, you stay NP. Can’t say I’ve never played and my wife, who is looking for a federal job since she needs some Social Security quarters, just changed from R to NP, ’cause you know they check.

    This twit will find some way to vote for the Democrat every time.

  • Ausonius

    about themselves, because being solipsistic schmucks and schlubs, they make everything about themselves!

    “Look at me! I’m voting for an AFRO-AMERICAN! I am fair, open-minded, and NOT A RACIST!”

    If every BIG BRObama voter had been forced to read his books before they voted, he would have carried only his family and the graveyards of Chicago.

  • blooch

    A chance to preen with their Obama bumperstickers and be on the correct side of a historic vote. They’ve already peeled off their stickers and will be absent from the polls or voting for a boutique candidate in 2012…unless they perceive that Obama has been whitewashed out of the corner into which he has painted himself, and he is back to supercool. Then they’ll be gaga again, and you can forget all of that silly regret. 90% of them will be flagellating themselves in public for ever doubting his awesomeness.

    I give ‘em about two weeks and this public apology crap is done. Two weeks is about their track record for any kind of solidarity with Conservatism.

  • furious

    …again, voting for a boyfriend.

    Fellas, we’ve all been there and know the type. Maybe I could suppress my gag reflex and “welcome her back to the party”, but I wouldn’t want her sitting across the table from me in a restaurant.

  • gawntrail1

    nuance. Intellectuals and academics all believe everything is explainable. Its just a matter of crafting the right words.

    They have to try to explain how they made a tactical mistake all the while never forsaking their strategic view. We’ve all listened to somebody (usually a child with their hand in the cookie jar) try to explain and make amends without actually admitting guilt, taking responsibility, and/or being held accountable. Its the “I’m sorry with the puppy eyes” defense.

    Only this one is the “I’ll be up front sorry, flash a little puppy eyes, and maybe they won’t notice the pee stain………. and damn I’ll still make a run at the cookies when they’re not looking” defense.

    Relationships of any kind are built on mutual trust and mutual respect. Well, people who couch or qualify apologies cannot be trusted. And people who think they can include swipes at our side while apologizing do not respect the people that make up our side.

    She loses on both accounts. Two strikes. And the initial idiocy of falling for the snake oil pitch in the first place is strike three. C-YA.

  • gawntrail1

    Rush talks about expansion through accepting newly converted or newly minted Conservatives, not by diluting or bargaining. I agree.

    Inviting people in out of the rain is a totally different thing from people just trying to get out of the rain.

  • Section9

    Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals were never about governance. They were always about the seizure of power.

    Nobody on the Left really knows how to govern in a systematic way that brings the most prosperity to the greatest group of people. They merely know how to seize power and accumulate it.

    These are people who might have read Thucydides’ The Peloponnesian War once. Having done so, they put it down and moved on to Steal This Book by Abbie Hoffman.

    Barack strkes me as that kind of Leftist; extremely knowledgeable, but stuffed with truisms. A jumped up version of Jill Dorson, as it were.

    I mean, even the astroturfing looks amateurish.

  • Section9

    Really now.

  • Section9

    … then he might have been able to beat a Walking Dead Man for the nomination in 2008. As it was, conservatives saw why Mittens is a bad General Election Candidate.

    You can’t beat McCain? Don’t try and convince us that you’ll mop the floor with Barack.

  • http://www.americanpatriotsprevail.com louesc

    You hit it right on the head Mo thank you. Smoked out Joe Biden is pledging to appeal the charges on the contractors from blackwater This Administration is so anti American they are going to lose big if they continue to attack Americans. Check out plugs in this video.

    http://www.americanpatriotsprevail.com/Biden_Will_to_Appeal_Dis.html

  • ech90
  • gawntrail1

    is lame.

    Our country (let alone our lives) do not start and stop every election. Whoever takes office needs to be prepared to pick up the ball and advance it. Regardless of the condition of the ball, the field, or the score. Because of this, we should be always vigilant about identifying those amongst us that might be able to do so and guarded against those who do not measure up. We are not, and do not live lives that are static. We are dynamic and fluid. And those wanting to earn our trust, respect, and vote MUST exhibit traits worthy of them.

    As an anecdotal example that kind of proves the rule……..my dad, a union, blue collar DEM didn’t like voting for Obama, but, felt he had no choice do to being a Union man. I tried to explain how this was faulty, but, he would hear none of it. 2 months in I revisited his vote. He said he really knew he blew it, BUT, was going to give him a year. The usual ‘inherited mess’ argument. I then asked him this hypothetical:

    If your new bride, who you had reservations about marrying in the first place, immediately started cleaning out your account, selling your stuff, hanging out at the corner bar, and generally reinforcing all those reservations……………would you give her a year?

    He said, “Hell NO”. I told him Obama was cleaning out all of our accounts, was selling all of our stuff, and was hanging out in the corner bar with people we would never even be seen with let alone drink with, and it was only 2 months…………….not even a honeymoon.

    He said I had a point. But, was still going to give him a year.

    Go figure.

  • cwilson

    .

  • WarEagle01

    , but come on. Any fool with half a brain could tell Barry 0bama0 was a phony. A suave, smooth talking phony with a perfectly creased pant, but a phony nonetheless.

  • jayburd

    When your mind is empty, anyone can move in and take over. Rent free.

  • http://www.libertylives.org madnorskie

    In no way should we dilute our message for anyone…in fact I believe it’s by passionately teaching our foundational principles that we can awaken the spirit of liberty within many Americans who are now open and looking for that message.

    However, before you can teach anyone, you must first treat them with respect.

  • http://www.libertylives.org madnorskie

    with so many ignorant voters from last year, but we really do have a golden opportunity in front of us that we should not squander.

    I vehently disagree that you get someone’s attention through ridicule and you certainly don’t give them any desire to listen to your argument. Jill might be a lost cause, but there are so many Americans out there who are not, but still draw our frustration and anger…treating them like children (by acting like children) will only push them away.

    We are not talking about communists here, but reasonable Americans. Marxists are indeed our enemy and the enemy of our country, but lets not confuse ignorant or uninformed voters with the true believers.

  • crush

    “I’d like to buy the world a coke . . . ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOEU87SBTU

    The utter absence of any analytic thinking on pragmatic matters and not mere emotional response is this type’s largest problem. This is why they’re all freaked out by Citizens United v. FEC. They (wrongly) think the “dummies” are wholly persuaded by advertisement. Its their projection, its they who are persuaded by emotion. Their ‘analysis’ is reserved for lofty white tower theoretics (while interesting and sometimes even fun) but aren’t pragmatically evaluated or observed.

    I’ll take an Ice Cold Conservative over an ice cold Coke anytime!

  • RedBeard

    :-)

  • Repair_Man_Jack

    The TSA should discover a screening mechanism to detect Jill Dorson-like mental midgets before they enter a polling station. Everyone not afflicted with her gobsmacking arrogance and superficial ignorance could proceed to the voting booth and select the candidate of their choice. Dorson, she could walk over tot he jellybean jar and try to guess how many beans are inside. Good Gawd, that woman is threat to democracy.

  • Warrior

    not “other Americans.” Besides, if you live in a dream world in which you believe some smooth talking con-man from Chicago can solve all your problems (“pay my mortgage and fill up my tank” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36?8rTb3jI) you deserve to be treated like a child. Sorry, but you’re not going to win this one.

  • Warrior

    But in the real world, people will have to learn the hard way. Especially since every new voting generation is been boiled in the cauldron of public school propaganda, MTV self-righteousness and SNL/Mainstream Media rejection/ridicule of conventional values such as liberty. We don’t have time to ‘splain it to each and every one of them individually.

    Do you think the Marxists who are NOW teaching them rejection of all things American actually “respect” them? Hardly. That’s why they call them “usefull idiots” behind their backs.

  • irishgirl

    Just had to say how much I loved that part. Good stuff.
    I read about Jill’s apology on another blog. What an ignorant twit.

  • gawntrail1

    that was the key phrase you used.

    Her faux-pology did not indicate that she was either open to Conservatism or looking for a new ideological home. So, how would one go about ‘passionately teaching’ to an unreceptive audience?

    I think, like most others here, that we got her pegged. She (and the inevitable hordes that will follow) are looking for some cheap pennance and a place to hang out………..until the next groovy thing comes along.

    See, in my opinion, this sect of America responds to and are gravitated towards presentation and appearance. Conservatives, by definition, are drawn to substance. So, you’ll spend your time trying to educate and persuade …………… and they’ll be looking over your shoulder and checking their blackberry.

  • Section9

    It was that toxic a year to Republicans after what was, in all probability, a fixed game after September 15th.

    Jesus Christ the Righteous couldn’t have won that election for our side, even had he had his Sainted Virgin Mother as his running mate.

    As it was, we didn’t nominate Jesus Christ. We nominated John McCain, professional Maverick.

  • neyney

    grrrrrr. I have a high school education and 30+ years of life experience in the workplace and I’m a freakin genius compared to these so-called “educated class” idiots! I have what used to be called common sense something that these days is very uncommon. I KNEW what BHO was the minute I saw him on tv in 08, a snake oil salesman. My “spidey sense” was going off full time with this clown. Now all these elite numnuts want to give us all a backhanded apology? Sorry day late, dollar short. I’m disgusted with the lot of them. There is only two conclusions that can be raised about their vote either a) they were ignorant idiots or b) they knew exactly what he was but voted for him anyway because he had a D after his name. If you give us a half-a–ed apology like this then it’s apparent that you haven’t learned a lesson, you’re just mad that your guy is such an embarassment. Here’s a thought, do us all a favor and don’t vote for the next 10 years and take some civics and American History classes in the interim then come back and vote when you have educated yourselves. Freakin idjuts!

  • JoeG

    Democrats were told their primary vote didn’t count and the primary was open. They could cross over and vote there.

  • sethduncan

    I’d like to get your take on the SC-03 race. What do you think of Jeff Duncan? Would you be willing to wirte a posting on the race?

    Thanks!