Why the White House needs to worry about Proposition C.


Read up on reports of the results of Tuesday’s vote on Missouri’s Proposition C* and you’re going to notice what James Taranto did: there’s an urge to declare the vote ‘largely symbolic‘ (amusingly, this includes Taranto’s own Wall Street Journal, or at least the portions of it that aren’t part of the opinion section).  This is generally political-speak for ‘the voting public just kicked our rears on a policy issue:’  ‘largely symbolic’ votes where you agree with the results are instead ‘stunning reproofs’ or something else equally evocative of the Will of the People.

Largely symbolic or stunning reproof, it wasn’t a good day for Obamacare-friendly legislators.  The percentages (71/29) are bad enough; what should worry Democrats is that more people came out to the polls to vote on Proposition C (940 thousand) than for the Senate primaries (900 thousand).  As Sean Trende of RCP (which is owned by Time, which also amusingly calls this vote ‘largely symbolic‘**) notes, this represents an enthusiasm gap in Missouri partisan voting which is not consistent with Missouri’s historical data but is consistent with other state primaries this election cycle.  And as the election gets closer, votes like these are going to have an effect on how people judge races.

To give the most obvious example, it just got a good bit harder for Carnahan supporters to argue that she has a chance against Roy Blunt. In the House races held by Democrats: Russ Carnahan in MO-03 took less than half the total votes cast; Ike Skelton in MO-04 got his first primary challenger in years, received less votes than Republican nominee Vicky Hartzler, and got about 20% of the total votes cast; and MO-05 Emanuel Cleaver II got less than half of the votes cast and was (barely) outnumbered by the total GOP vote.  The only Democrat-held seat that doesn’t look more vulnerable today is MO-01: Missouri is supposed to be a swing state, but it wasn’t voting like that Tuesday night.

There are people who will argue that these numbers are all due to the aforementioned ‘largely symbolic’ vote against Obamacare.  That doesn’t actually help the Democrats’ position, particularly if ‘largely symbolic’ votes like these turn Purple States into Red ones…

Moe Lane

*Here’s the gist, from the MO SOS:

A “yes” vote will amend Missouri law to deny the government authority to penalize citizens for refusing to purchase private health insurance or infringe upon the right to offer or accept direct payment for lawful healthcare services. The amendment will also modify laws regarding the liquidation of certain domestic insurance companies.

A “no” vote will not change the current Missouri law regarding private health insurance, lawful healthcare services, and the liquidation of certain domestic insurance companies.

If passed, this measure will have no impact on taxes.

**The Time article also attempts to describe the projected (at the time) turnout for the vote in terms of the GOP primary. It’d be a lot more accurate to describe the turnout of the GOP primary in terms of Proposition C.

Crossposted to Moe Lane.


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Thanks, MO

renny (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 9:44AM EDT (link)

We need nore anit-fed. nullification. The fed. gov’t has declared war on the states and needs to be “symbolically” neutered.

 

Stole my thunder!

logus (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 10:09AM EDT (link)

Dang it Moe!!! I was working on a posting of my own of a similar sort. Grr!

I concur, Clay in MO1 is secure. I also believe Russ Carnahan in MO3 is secure. Cleaver is a toss-up. Robin Carnahan’s Senate race looks very shaky as does Montee’s re-election for State Auditor. For those unaware, Missouri’s state auditor position seems to have become a platform for higher office as Claire McCaskill was previously the State Auditor and is now Senator. Furthermore, some of the scuttlebutt I’ve come across is that if Schweich wins the Auditor seat, he’ll then try to run against Claire in 2012.

I’ve also written a similar posting about how Obama’s back is up against the wall with Prop C. He’s in a no-win situation no matter what he does or what the outcome is.

http://wadingacross.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/prop-c-passes-and-were-off-to-the-races/

http://wadingacross.wordpress.com/2010/07/16/prop-c-lawsuit%c2%a0update/

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Russ Carnahan safe?

chipbennett (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 10:52AM EDT (link)

I’m curious about your reasoning for that assessment. I think Ed Martin has every chance of unseating Russ Carnahan in MO-03.

By comparison:

Clay got 36K out of 62K total primary votes (58%) cast in MO-01.
Carnahan got 36K out of 82K total primary votes (44%) cast in MO-03

It will all come down to turnout. General Republican enthusiasm, general Democrat disenchantment, and a statewide US Senator race all factor into Ed Martin’s favor in November.

Overall numbers.

logus (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 11:52AM EDT (link)

Most of the people who voted in the primary are going to stick to the party when it comes to the regular election. Few people are going to cross party lines.
Missouri – Overall numbers voting, not just for a single candidate.
2010 Aug Primary-
US Rep 3 – Dem: 46,100 Rep: 35,100

By a sheer majority of Democrats voting in the primary in the 3rd district, if – and it was – this primary election was such a strong turn-out for the state among conservatives, then in theory we should have seen a very strong turn-out in the 3rd. And, truth be told, we have seen increased turnout among conservatives in the 3rd over the last 4 years.

2008 Nov. Election-
US Rep 3 – Dem: 202,500 Rep: 92,750
2008 Aug. Primary-
US Rep 3 – Dem: 38,000 Rep: 19,000
2008 Presidential Primary-
Democrats: 824,900 Republicans: 588,700
2006 Nov. Election-
US Rep 3 – Dem: 145,200 Rep: 70,200
2006 Aug. Primary-
US Rep 3 – Dem: 48,700 Rep: 11,900

But, as it stands on paper, the numbers just aren’t there for Martin. The 3rd shows consistency even in the face of the overwhelming Democrat turn-out in 2008 for the presidency. It may well be a tighter race than in previous years for Russ, but it’s not going to be a toss-up and it certainly isn’t a gimmie for Martin.

Is anything possible? Sure. I could well be wrong, and I hope so, but the 3rd is a race I don’t think we should make any assumptions on. If Martin wants to win, he’s got some very serious work to do and not just hope that other races or Democrat disenchantment are going to give him a win. If Ed does win, I foresee a squeaker.

“The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.”
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What about pre-2006?

chipbennett (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 2:12PM EDT (link)

I will head back over to sos.mo.us when I get the chance, but: what about races before the Democrat surges of 2006 and 2008?

Also, Jefferson and St. Gen. counties were easily in the lower half for voter turnout for the primary. Again: it will all be determined by turnout. If Ed can mount a good GOTV effort, I think he will win.

I placed my post up...

logus (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 3:40PM EDT (link)

And in it I discuss why I don’t believe Martin has a very strong chance against Carnahan. I didn’t look up prior to 2006 voter numbers, but there are other things to point to MO3 being better for Russ than Ed.

http://wadingacross.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/prognosticating-the-nov-missouri-elections/

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Good Stuff

chipbennett (Diary) Saturday, August 7th at 6:32PM EDT (link)

Good stuff; I just responded over there.

1994 is a very interesting comparison, by the way.

 
 
 
 
 

Carnahan is listed as vulnerable

alamo294 Friday, August 6th at 4:10PM EDT (link)

in Erick’s post this morning: “The NRCC has a nifty website up showing which of the endangered House Democrats have town halls scheduled.”

I was glad to see him listed there – but I agree that Ed Martin has a real fight on his hands. The 3rd district is seriously gerrymandered, but Martin is the first GOP candidate to come along in ages who isn’t a total loser.

I’ll be working for Ed Martin and praying for him.

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chipbennett (Diary) Saturday, August 7th at 6:38PM EDT (link)

And God Bless Robyn Hamlin for at least giving me someone to vote for in MO-01, pittance’s chance of winning though she has.

So, I’m expending all of my vicarious hope in MO-03.

 
 
 

Thus my obsession with keeping the healthcare debacle front-and-center in the public's mind.

Bill S (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 10:14AM EDT (link)

Well done, Mr. Lane. One of your best.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

If you go

rdelbov Friday, August 6th at 10:15AM EDT (link)

back to my time in MO–Kit Bond was elected state auditor in 1970–I was 13 at the time so I could not vote.

steeping stone it is. The only statewide office that is up during midterms-not counting senate seats.

 

oops

rdelbov Friday, August 6th at 10:24AM EDT (link)

I forgot that when Bond was elected Gov in 1972 he appointed John Ashcroft state auditor in his stead.

Fascinating threesome of guys built the GOP in MO–Danforth-Bond-Ashcroft

Call Danforth a Rino if you wish–he made a good hire in Clarance Thomas as assoicate AG. He went on to do something else but I can’t remember what it was.

 

This isn't nullification

Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 10:26AM EDT (link)

This is a refusal to do the feds’ dirty work for them.

That’s not nullification. That’s just federalism.

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One the most

rdelbov Friday, August 6th at 10:42AM EDT (link)

hideous trends in Federalism, in my opinion, is the strings attached to money sent back to the states. The Feds either tax a state’s citizens or add to the deficit in their names but send this money back to the states with strings attached.

Everything from state speed limit and seatbelt laws to voting machines to NCLB to food lunch programs to who knows what else seems to fall under some sort of mandate from DC.

Completely agree on that one.

BA Cyclone (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 10:57AM EDT (link)

I think the federalism angle alone would be a HUGE winner for a foundational plank in the GOP.

If you simply ended the circle-jerk of tax-and-return, you could effectively cut taxes plus increase efficiency and power of the dollars in every state.

Less bureaucrats in Washington doling out red tape and me and my neigbors keeping money to spend and be charitable as we see fit = pure winner.

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Maybe The O will have to call out the troops.

johnt Friday, August 6th at 10:35AM EDT (link)

We might be reaching the point where a judges order is losing it’s cachet, where the threat of cutting off funding for this or that means less, possibly even to the point where a thunderous NY Times editorial or the worried image of Katie Couric doesn’t mean a thing.
Does anything Saul Alinsky wrote cover this?

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

Why is that?

creditman Friday, August 6th at 10:39AM EDT (link)

The position of the Missouri Auditor is in front of the public all the time. This office reviews the local governmental functions at the county level and below. Thus the office is called upon to perform audits of city and county government offices continuously. It’s very easy to call the auditor into any local controversy because of the petition process. Thus the name recognition of the office holder is equivalent to continuous campaigning.

 

Not sanguine about MO-5, but hoping (and working) for the best. nt

Xasteius (Diary) Friday, August 6th at 1:40PM EDT (link)

Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!

The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.

I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.

 

A new guy

creditman Friday, August 6th at 1:57PM EDT (link)

MO-7 has been a Republican strong hold since 1954. This was after years of rape by the Democrats.

A new face running for Roy Blunt’s old seat is not a politician. Billy Long, a strong conservative is running on the fact he is a strong conservative Republican. I really can’t wait to see him go to DC.