That will probably be the most quoted line from the Rand Paul / Jack Conway debate last night, and for good reason: it represents a rather drastic line in the sand drawn against the scurrilous and vituperative wave of attacks made by progressive Democrats desperate to keep their tottering Congressional majorities. The video:
What Dr. Paul is referring to is this exceptionally offensive and cynical attempt by the Conway campaign to provoke religious bigotry in Kentucky voters. As Ed Morrissey noted at the link, one of the things that made said ad so… pettily nasty… was that Conway not only attacked Paul’s personal religious beliefs; he went after Paul’s opposition to funding faith-based initiatives. Given the way that progressives in the last decade had gone after such things hammer and tongs themselves – at least, when there was a Republican in office – I think that we can safely assume then that their opposition was a flat-out lie.
This is going to backlash against the Conway campaign. To begin with, it showed a certain contempt for Kentucky voters generally that suggests to me that the idea came from outside the state: surely Kentucky Democrats themselves know their constituents better than that. Second, an ad that allows your opponent to say something like “I will not be associated with someone who attacks my religion” legitimately is more or less the definition of a bad ad. Third – and I don’t know how important it is, but it may be – doing this ad allowed Paul (practically forced him, in fact) to bring up something that normally doesn’t get mentioned about him: he’s a Presbyterian. Which is to say, a perfectly normal mainline Protestant sect that has female deacons (his wife is one). Which is also to say, something that is light years away from the progressive, probably out-of-state smear job that was tossed at the man and his family.
Put another way: I applaud Dr. Paul’s refusal to shake the hand of Jack Conway. Because I think that by now we all know where Jack Conway’s hands have been.
Moe Lane (crosspost)
PPS: If you don’t believe me about how bad this was for Conway, maybe you’ll believe Senator Claire McCaskill (D, MO). The fact that she felt the need to temper her party’s talking points on the GOP at all…
Jeff Emanuel
At Times A Gentleman Shouldn't Shake Hands
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:33AM EDT (link)A handshake is a gesture of respect. It provides a legitimacy to another person. If someone acts in poor taste, they are not worthy of the handshake.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
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aesthete (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:29PM EDT (link)No one who jumps to chain his fellow Americans to another’s wishes, as Conway has done (and continues to do) throughout his career, is deserving of a gentleman’s handshake.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
amen, and given the "Bushlied Era", I lost handshake-deserving respect for most all elected Democrats - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:47PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
I, for one, am glad Mr. Paul did not contaminate himself
qixlqatl (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:37AM EDT (link)by shaking hands with slime.
“Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.”
George Gordon Noel Byron
Knights of yore and Chivalry knew how to handle this
cactusjack Monday, October 18th at 8:32PM EDT (link)situation – they offered the left hand, keeping the drawn sword handle firmly in the right. Then it is up to the vermin whether he insults himself by shaking hands, or dishonors himself by not shaking hands.
Honor isn't exactly a popular concept on the left side of American politics [nt]
qixlqatl (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 8:44PM EDT (link)“Yet, Freedom! yet thy banner, torn, but flying,
Streams like the thunderstorm against the wind.”
George Gordon Noel Byron
Besides that.
smitch61 Monday, October 18th at 11:40AM EDT (link)How was the debate overall?
Good for him!
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 11:57AM EDT (link)The attitude of “my respected colleague” and wanting to get along to go along by Rinos is what the dems have used to sink the country into the current mess over the last century.
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I totally agree with Rand
d_lamar Monday, October 18th at 11:59AM EDT (link)The whole idea of shaking hands, or walking across the aisle to reach a compromise, disgusts me.
We need to realize that these people desire to destroy the United States as it was founded. They are our enemies, not our friends. Their desire is to destroy our way of life, and its time that conservatives treated our enemies for what they are.
Nothing like a sincere, classy, and direct rebuke
2koolkirk Monday, October 18th at 12:14PM EDT (link)of filthy and personally insulting tactics. Oh, and followed by a sincere recap of your principles.
Rand Paul is pretty special in my book.
Bravo Rand!
Darin_H (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:24PM EDT (link)Good for you to be so restrained! Not only wouldn’t I shake hands with that scumbag, Conway, I’d probably give him a right cross to his nose (hey, what can I say, I’m a sinner. Saved, but a sinner nonetheless).
A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls
I'm delighted that Rand Paul drew a line in the sand
constitutionalconservative (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:32PM EDT (link)These disgusting attacks have gone on long enough, totally aided and abetted by the MSM. It has been bad in a lot of races (Christine O’Donnell’s leaps to mind), but there are few places where it has been worse than Kentucky, where the media has engaged in a feeding frenzy about anything Rand Paul might have said or done in the past 30 years while giving his plastic and unprincipled opponent a totally blank check.
Rand Paul had tolerated this too long by pretending that the Dems would play by the rules. I’m glad that he finally chose to hit back and stop pretending that he was running against someone who had any sense of decency and honor.
The left is making a big deal out of this,
The_Rebel (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 12:42PM EDT (link)yet in Colorado’s 7th district, Perlmutter refused to shake hands with Ryan Frazier. Instead, he swatted Frazier’s hand during an exchange over health care, apologizing immediately:
Jack Conway is now the first person to question an opponent's Christian beliefs since...
minister_of_war Monday, October 18th at 1:35PM EDT (link)… well since Mike Huckabee tried this kind of garbage against Mitt Romney during the 2008 Presidential Primaries. Both are disgusting displays & neither man seems to be ashamed of his actions. Go Rand Paul!
This kind of garbage will backfire big time.
And Moe-
You said that: “This is going to backlash against the Conway campaign.”
I think that this whole situation is so disgusting & frustrating that I think that you meant “backfire” not “backlash” too.
But one thing for sure is that it could cause a very strong backlash against Conway’s tactics. Nobody likes seeing another man’s faith questioned.
You're overlooking the South Carolina senate contest -nt-
civil truth (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 1:56PM EDT (link)The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
I am indeed.
minister_of_war Monday, October 18th at 2:08PM EDT (link)What exactly is happening there? I would like to know.
SC Gov primary: regarding questioning Christian beliefs
civil truth (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 2:23PM EDT (link)Two RS posts from June 2010
http://www.redstate.com/snarkandboobs/2010/06/04/die-in-a-fire-you-vicious-racist-scumbag/
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/06/16/the-christianity-scam/
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
Civil_Truth - I agree.
minister_of_war Monday, October 18th at 3:21PM EDT (link)That whole situation was also utterly disgusting.
The point of Christianity is that it is not a religious belief that a person is born into.
We can teach our children Christian values, but they are not automatically “Christian” due to their upbringing either.
Being a Christian means that a person at some point recognizes that Jesus was the Son of God, is Devine & agrees to follow Him as an expression of this belief.
None of us are qualified in deciding who is a “true believer” in Christ because only God would know such things.
Brain lock - I meant the SC governor's race, not Senate -nt-
civil truth (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 2:24PM EDT (link)The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
Looks like the Romney supporters are on the prowl today
michiganwolverine Monday, October 18th at 8:18PM EDT (link)You have already posted this twice. And you know it is not related.
So I will post my reply twice:
Huckabee’s NYT situation reminded me of McChrystal’s Rolling Stone situation.
When you are spending a few days talking with a reporter, sometimes an interview becomes just a conversation. Then all of a sudden it is written up in a magazine story as a hit on the person being interviewed. Huckabee asked an innocent question of a reporter while they were talking and it ended up as front page news claiming Huckabee was attacking Romney.
Huckabee apologized for the incident right away, but Romney supporters are still fanning the flames.
Huckabee apologizes to Romney at Des Moines University, Iowa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzzWFbHfbg4
Why don’t you watch the video, as it is a sincere apology.
I would not want Romney or Huckabee
Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 8:30PM EDT (link)I would rather have Dennis Miller than either of those two. Of the two, I would opt for Romney.
Molon Labe!
Like I said before...
minister_of_war Tuesday, October 19th at 1:34AM EDT (link)Huckabee made a halfhearted apology about only one tiny aspect of his attack on Romney’s Christian faith. Huckabee’s attacks were often subversive, but his pointless ad calling himself the “CHRISTIAN LEADER” was definitely part of his strategy. And I think that it’s totally relevant to the current argument – as were the attacks on Nikki Haley’s Christian faith in her Primary. It is never appropriate to question the Christian faith of one’s opponent.
Shaking hands
zornorph Monday, October 18th at 1:46PM EDT (link)I would have just shaken his hand and not looked at him while doing it or something. This didn’t go over well when Clayton Williams refused to shake Anne Richard’s hand in the 1990 TX-Gov race.
Do you remember the context for why Williams refused to shake her hand? I don't & I'm just curious.
minister_of_war Monday, October 18th at 1:54PM EDT (link)-nt-
Yes
zornorph Monday, October 18th at 4:06PM EDT (link)He felt that she had been ‘lying about him’ but he was rude in refusing to shake her hand and some felt that it cost him the election. I remember hearing a GOP pundit say that you should ‘Treat a lady like a lady.” I also know that GHWB called up Williams and cussed the living sh*t out of him for losing the race because he couldn’t stand Anne Richards after what she said about him at the Dem convention in 1988.
Williams ‘Relax and enjoy it/rape joke’ didn’t help endear him to women, either, but the handshaking thing sort of drove the image home. I don’t think the Paul thing is near as bad, but I would have just given a curt handshake and let it go.
I guess that I was wanting more details about why he wouldn't shake her hand
minister_of_war Monday, October 18th at 5:31PM EDT (link)My point being that someone attacking Rand Paul’s Christian faith might be an exception to the rule of handshaking. If you attacked my Christian faith, I’d probably be less likely to want to shake your hand – no matter what protocol says.
You make another good point too as to why the 2 situations might not be good comparisons.
“I remember hearing a GOP pundit say that you should ‘Treat a lady like a lady.”
Well, I don’t know how Rand Paul would treat Jack Conway like a lady or if that’s the correct thing to do in this situation, but it might make it different because Conway isn’t a lady. If I remember correctly, the words that Rand Paul used when Conway was avoiding talking about the issues & instead continued to defend his attack on Paul’s Christianity were: “Man up Jack”.
Yeah, generally right, but his confession about
cactusjack Monday, October 18th at 8:36PM EDT (link)trips & activities to the border is what killed his(Claytie’s) campaign. It really offended a lot of conservative women let alone Anne’s blue hair motorcycle brigade.
How many times does Obama get to insult us as bitter clingers to God and bigotry, non-clear thinkers, racial cowards, etc before
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 2:34PM EDT (link)we shouldn’t shake his hand? Stupid police making Gates house safe etc…
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
I prefer Dick Cheney's attitude ...
joayn (Diary) Monday, October 18th at 7:13PM EDT (link)and that’s why I could never run for office.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Hope we get past it and find good ways to counter
cactusjack Monday, October 18th at 8:27PM EDT (link)the unwarranted religious innuendo attacks. Make no mistake, recognize this for what it is – this is an old tool out of the Carville arsenal, used to defeat conservatives in the South, and Hillary (when she thought she would be the nominee) was getting ready to use it like a battleaxe against Romney (when her team thought he would be the Republican nominee) in 2008. Yes someone’s religion is part of their character and in some sincere way there ought to be a way to evaluate it, but when I think of the likes of Obama, Carville and Hillary going after *anyone* on our side with this – well, then we ‘ve gotten to a point where honest practicing of a religion has become an impediment to Conservatives running for office, and they are at the mercy of people, to some of whom the whole religion thing is a big joke to be exploited.
KY Rand supporter
fastrock Monday, October 18th at 9:38PM EDT (link)First heard Rand speak at a Sept 09 Louisville Tea Party. Not the most polished, but everything from the heart. MSM would love to take down Rand, but the leg tingler C Matthews hammered Conway for his campaign ad.