The actual title isn’t that, of course. The actual title is “Democrats Counting on Strength of Obama’s Get-Out-the-Vote Network“… which is merely semantically equivalent to the word/phrase/meme “DOOM.” If you’re “counting on” getting enough voters out there to erase your own, admitted failure to be the perceived front-runner, then you’ve already lost and you’re just trying to avoid a rout*. Thus it was for the Republican party in 2008 and 2006; and thus it was for the Democratic party in 2004 and 2002. In all four cycles the afflicted party spoke of last minute GOTV pushes and the base coming home and whatever sudden wild hope erupted in the last week before the polls opened, while the party that was ahead collectively smirked and resolutely declined to remember when they did the exact same thing. Admittedly, it’s great fun to watch, assuming of course if it’s not happening to you.
However. WE CAN STILL LOSE. So if you can vote early and haven’t, do that today. And vote a straight ticket. Governor, Lt. Governor, state-wide offices, Senate, House, state House, state Senate, county officials, judges, sheriffs, sewer commissioner, town executives, dog-catcher ,or even coroner (if you live in Louisiana). Clean house. The more states we control next January, the more states we can keep the Democrats from implementing the redistricting plots that they are undoubtedly plotting right this second (gerrymandering schemes are a hobby for their activists, or perhaps ‘fetish’ would be a better word); plus, every Democrat unceremoniously booted from lower office is a Democrat who is no longer going to be advancing up the ladder for higher office**. And, of course, the more Republicans we elect the better our bench gets.
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*Virginia 2009 is a good example of what happens to a political party when they don’t avoid a rout.
**You like your personal Democratic politician? Tell him or her to switch parties. Because if left unchecked they’ll just eventually advance to the national level, where they will be promptly neutered and required to vote for whatever stupid idea the Democratic leadership is pushing that week. See also: the 111th Congress.
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irishgirl Tuesday, October 26th at 11:28AM EDT (link)Complacency and apathy about voting should not be tolerated at this juncture.
Straight ticket EXCEPT
treeofliberty Tuesday, October 26th at 11:42AM EDT (link)if you live in Colorado (Gov race)
So, Tancredo has explicitly promised...
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:20PM EDT (link)…to rejoin the party and guarantee that he will block any attempts by the Democrats to play redistricting games?
You got a link for that?
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A vote for Maes is a vote for Hickenlooper.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:28PM EDT (link)Tancredo will be better with redistricting than Hickenlooper. I don’t need a link for that.
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No, a vote for Maes is a vote for Maes.
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:33PM EDT (link)And as Tancredo is on the record as mocking the Republican party in Colorado…
…yes, you do need a link for that.
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More Tancredo being Tancredo.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:38PM EDT (link)I’m no fan, but he’s way better than Hickenlooper. Maes is now down around 4%, so he’s as likely as the Libertarian or Green candidate to win. This race is between Hickenlooper and Tancredo. I know which one I’d rather have in the Governor’s mansion for the next four years.
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We'll take that as a 'no,' then.
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:40PM EDT (link)So noted, thanks.
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That's correct.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:57PM EDT (link)I’m going along with Erick Erickson’s endorsement in this race.
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:shrug: At least you admitted it.
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:08PM EDT (link)That’s something.
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I admitted it a couple of weeks ago.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:20PM EDT (link)I take issue with Republican candidates that defacto endorse the Democrat in the race.
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I generally agree with your straight ticket assessment,
The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:49PM EDT (link)but given some of Erick’s postings here I think the exception for Colorado is a variance Republicans can sustain, not unlike the exception we made for NY23 in the special election. Sometimes stinkers slip through and even in the general election you have to vote against them.
But I concur that those stinkers have to be complete stinkers; otherwise you need to vote for the Republican because regardless of what you think of the actual contenders in your local race voting for the Dem is voting to sustain Back Seat Obama, Nanny Pelosi, and Dingy Harry.
I happen to disagree with Erick on this.
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:00PM EDT (link)Erick, of course, automatically wins these little disputes.
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I didn't vote straight ticket, but only
kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:05PM EDT (link)because there were local judges being elected in which the libertarian had a chance to win, and I would love to see a libertarian or two in some judge-ships.
Also there is one local woman running for a small local office who was running as a Republican, but I know her and she is a reprehensible person. So again, I voted for the libertarian, But I did not vote for any Donks.
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I didn't vote straight ticket, but only
kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:05PM EDT (link)because there were local judges being elected in which the libertarian had a chance to win, and I would love to see a libertarian or two in some judge-ships.
Also there is one local woman running for a small local office who was running as a Republican, but I know her and she is a reprehensible person. So again, I voted for the libertarian, But I did not vote for any Donks.
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The source of party loyalty is based on Republican voters, not Republican candidates and not Republican party officials
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:06PM EDT (link)The reason why a Republican should not vote against a Republican nominee is that the candidate won the plurality of Republican votes in the primary.
If it is clear that the candidate no longer enjoys the support of vast majority of the Republican voters, loyalty to that candidate is misplaced.
This rule is how one can reconcile, CO, NY-23, and telling Castle supporters to shut the bleep up after the DE primary.
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Your words are bit more elegant.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:15PM EDT (link)We are on the same track here.
Although I will confess I would have been quite happy to tell the Castle supporters to shut the bleep up BEFORE the DE primary. Charles Krauthammer excepted of course, no way I’d ever say bleep to them man so I’d have to find another way to say it.
Um. No.
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:16PM EDT (link)Castle voters had to shut up because they lost a fair and credible primary election.
NY-23 voters had no primary in the special election. So there was no fair and credible primary election. Note that when Hoffman lost a fair and credible primary election, he withdrew from the race and endorsed the Republican candidate.
Maes won a fair and credible primary election. Tancredo didn’t even try to participate in it, and he is now running contrary to the legitimate Republican candidate.
Try as people might, you cannot force me to say that an fair and credible primary election is neither when I don’t believe it. People who are supporting Tancredo are people who have rejected the decision of the Republican voters of Colorado in favor of their own candidate. This is a fact. I am not obligated to sugar-coat it for anybody.
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Moe, problem is, many of those people are the same people.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:19PM EDT (link)Unless you believe that Maes’ 5% were the only Republican to vote in the primary.
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...And?
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:32PM EDT (link)Murkowski up in Alaska is running a write-in candidacy and is effectively tied with the Republican nominee. Are we going to give her voters the same courtesy of respecting their right to demand a do-over?
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Not a fair comparison, you know that too.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:39PM EDT (link)Tancredo didn’t lose a primary and then go third party.
All I am saying is that it isn’t primary voters having their choice rejected by some outside force, it’s primary voters rejecting their own choice.
If you want to stop them from having that choice then we should just have the local GOP appoint who the candidate will be.
Oops.
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No, it's not.
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:42PM EDT (link)At least Murkowski ran in a primary in the first place.
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You didn't address the rest of my comment.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:47PM EDT (link)I suspect there is a reason for that.
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Core assumption mismatch.
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:55PM EDT (link)You obviously think comparing Tancredo’s situation to Murkowski’s is unfair (and offensive?) to the former, while I think that it’s the latter.
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Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:01PM EDT (link)I don’t find it offensive, just a non sequitur.
What I am wondering about is the other 4 lines of text in my comment that have nothing to do with Alaska.
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Does that make it better or worse?
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:52PM EDT (link)The bottom line is that primary elections exist for the benefit of Republican voters, not Republican candidates and not Republican party officials.
An individual Republican voter owes his or her fellow voters due respect for primary election results. However, if the aggregate population of Republican voters overwhelmingly rejects the results of the primary election (regardless of whether free and fair, although dishonest Manchurian candidates winning based on deceit is hardly fair), then the Republican voters are free to reverse that decision.
Kind of like how a sustained super-majority allows the citizens of the US to change the Constitution in any way they see fit. To deny that reality is to deny the principle of self-government.
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That would be Murkowksi's argument, yes. :)
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Murkowski doesn't have a super-majority in support of her write in candidacy
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:00PM EDT (link)So she would fail the Maes standard.
Nor were there clear factual lies about either Murkowski or Miller during the primary.
My test has grey in it because it must deal with ambiguity.
Your test seems to require supporting the R even if they turn out to be a child molestor.
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Ah yes, the old R == child molester argument (nt)
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I wouldn't go that far.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:21PM EDT (link)But Dan Maes running a state government would be like the average 8-year-old kid driving a car on an L.A. Freeway during rush hour traffic.
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To clarify, I was not accusing Maes of being a child molestor
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:30PM EDT (link)My point was simply that every voter (or virtually every voter) will draw a line at a personal characteristic of a candidate that will trump their political views.
Child molestation, treason, and other serious criminal conduct is where most people draw that line.
Many Democrats have similar tests. Perot got votes in 1996 from die hard D’s who were personally repulsed by Clinton.
If you believed that a Republican nominee for President of the US turned out to be a Manchurian candidate acting as an agent of a foreign power, you would vote D and so would I.
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I stood by Maes longer than most.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:23PM EDT (link)That stance ended when he started talking favorably about the Democrat in the race. I was with you and Neil until then. Apparently the same goes for about 8% of the polled voters because that’s when Maes dropped from 12% to 4% .
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It's about winning
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:51PM EDT (link)There is no objective reason for Maes to try to throw the election to a Constitution party whack job, and favor one o pponent over the other.
Tancredo deserves attacks. In fact Tancredo voters are going to be Maes’s most persuadable voters, so attacking Tancredo makes the most rational sen se as an electoral strategy.
To expect him to ignore Tancredo and just attack Hickenlooper is ridiculous. After all, you Tancredo folk won’t stop attacking Maes.
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What you say made a lot of sense when Maes was at 20%
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:55PM EDT (link)But at 4%, its a different scenario.
25% of the country thinks that 9/11 was an inside job.
I didn’t criticize Maes for criticizing Tancredo before, but given the 4% and the trajectory of his campaign, Maes is in a unique situation.
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You're bootstrapping
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:01PM EDT (link)The only reason Maes is low is because Turncoat Tancredo and the RGA teamed up to bang on him all day.
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Yeah, it had nothing to do with Maes at all.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:03PM EDT (link)Let’s not act like Maes was some untarnished victim in all of this.
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Yeah, and it's DeVore's fault that the NRSC's fist fell on his face (nt)
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Oh wait,that's not a fair comparison
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:07PM EDT (link)NRSC only took sides int he primary.
RGA sided against the Republican in the general.
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Interesting interpretation of history...nt.
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It's objective history in the polling
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:12PM EDT (link)Maes was ahead or slightly behind in every two way matchup until all of this stuff started.
In fact the only two way Maes was ever significantly behind in was a bad PPP poll where the question order ensured all the Tancredo backers said they were undecided.
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Things look a lot different on the ground...nt.
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Anecdotes, data, and plural forms (nt)
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The party apparatus only succeeds where voters agree
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:10PM EDT (link)See Delaware.
A successful kneecapping of a candidate by the party apparatus requires the complicity of the voters. Tancredo started to rise only when voters realized that Maes was a fraud.
Tancredo was banging on Maes before the primary, but Maes was increasing in voter support up through the primary.
I am not sure when the RGA got involved, but I believe that it occurred after the primary.
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So you never complained about NRSC interventions? (nt)
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I condem all NRSC interventions prior to primaries
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:37PM EDT (link)And any NRSC intervention not clearly ratified by Republican voters should result in the resignation and public flogging of the individuals involved.
4%. You don’t see numbers like that in politics.
What percentage of the electorate believes that UFO’s have secret meetings with the White House?
4%
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Neil, it wasn't that Maes attacked Tancredo, it's that Maes dang near endorsed Hickenlooper.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:56PM EDT (link)If Tancredo had done that what would you be saying?
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Hmm?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:03PM EDT (link)I thought you wanted Maes to endorse another candidate.
Now you don’t?
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I'm not saying he did by the way
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:04PM EDT (link)I just find it confusing that one minute you all want him to drop out, but the next you’re complaining that he has endorsed another candidate.
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Please point to anything where I asked Maes to endorse anyone.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:04PM EDT (link)Don’t pull that crap on me.
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Then what do you want?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:08PM EDT (link)I assumed you were with Erick calling for Maes to drop out.
Was I in error?
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I really don't care if he drops out. The votes seem to be taking care of that for him.
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So we're good
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:31PM EDT (link)You have your candidate, I have mine.
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Yep.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:39PM EDT (link)Of course my candidate isn’t going around endorsing Democrats.
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No he just badmouths Bush and Palin
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That certainly isn't unique to Tancredo. ;) nt
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Any Republican that endorses any Democrat should no longer be considered to be a Republican
Finrod (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 7:20PM EDT (link)I call this the Scozzfava rule.
And when this happens, and there’s a legitimate 3rd party conservative candidate that isn’t completely hopelessly out of the race, then I think we should be ok with ditching the backstabbing (IMHO former) Republican and going with the 3rd party candidate. That’s the ONLY scenario I can see where it’s ok to not vote for the R in the general: when the R has made it very clear that they think it’s OK if the D wins the race.
I never think it’s OK if the D wins the race. Any R that does is not worthy of my vote. I darn near didn’t vote for McCain in 2008 because he said he thought Obama would make a fine President. I rationalized it by voting for Sarah and her running-mate. To me, it’s more important to keep Democrats (and their fellow travelers, Greens, Socialists, Commies, etc) out of office than Republicans in office– which is why I voted for the R for President in 2008, to try to keep the D out of office. In 99+ percent of cases, these are the same thing, but on rare occasions, they aren’t.
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I don't have a problem with Maes' attacks on Tancredo.
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:22PM EDT (link)I have a problem with him saying Hickenlooper would make a good governor.
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Do you have a problem with Tancredo's attacks on the GOP?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:25PM EDT (link)See here
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Tancredo attacks GOP, Maes embraces Ds
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:33PM EDT (link)Its all one big mess. Nobody is denying the mess. But a mess is no reason to vote D or essentially vote D.
A vote for Tancredo is a vote for the least smelly option at this point.
I do have a probelm with Tancredo’s attacks on the GOP. I had a problem with McCain’s attacks on the GOP as well, but I voted for the guy with my nose fastened tightly shut by my left hand.
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Well here's the thing JSobieski
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:39PM EDT (link)You’re asking me to believe I should care whether the C or the D gets in, so much so that I turn my back on my party.
I see no evidence that convinces me of that. In fact I researched Tancredo during the Presidential primaries and so I’m ambivalent between the two.
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I'm not really trying to get you to support Tancredo
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:51PM EDT (link)I am merely arguing to make it permissible to support Tancredo, i.e. provide sufficient “cover” to allow R’s to vote for Tancredo.
This is roughly similar to my stance on the DE primary. I was hardly a Castle supporter, but I didn’t like how some in the conservative movement where characterizing Castle’s tepid supporters.
I can totally understand not supporting Tancredo. I just don’t think party unity requires an R vote in this instance.
If Maes wasn’t polling at 4%, I would be with you. I just think 4% is such a striking number that voting for the non-D makes sense so long as the non-D isn’t a green, socialist, or communist.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Tancredo to run Prez as 3rd party?
chihank Tuesday, October 26th at 3:24PM EDT (link)If Tancredo wins, then all eyes will be on him on whether he will align himself with the CO GOP or try to build the Constitution Party in CO. If Tancredo starts promoting 3rd party candidates if the CO GOP will be out of power for a long time.
Also will the governorship encourage to Tancredo run as a 3rd party for President down the road?
If Tancredo attempts to build up the Constitution Party in CO
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 5:29PM EDT (link)he will fail and Republicans will turn on him as quickly as they turned on Maes.
Now the 3rd party presidential run, I’ll bet you that happens regardless of what happens in 2010. Tancredo is just that kind of guy.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Not quite a foregone conclusion, J...
acat (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 5:57PM EDT (link)Tancredo isn’t likely to do any better than Ross Perot as a third party figurehead… and Perot flamed out and crashed pretty effectively.
That said, if Tancredo can attract enough Tea Partiers who are disgusted with the CO GOP status quo .. and based on Maes’ win in the primary they have significant numbers.. then it’s entirely possible he could build something new. In Colorado.
Of course, a POTUS run just makes The Won’s re-election bid easier… or maybe makes Hillary’s run easier.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Doubtful. National voters will be too intent
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, October 27th at 12:23PM EDT (link)on sending Back of the Bus Obama to the showers in 2012 to tolerate a third party candidate.
Attacks?
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 4:10PM EDT (link)Heh, not so much. Actually I think he gave them less than they deserve. The state GOP leadership dropped the ball from the beginning of this election cycle. In what should’ve been massive wins, we’re going to be lucky to come out with just a few.
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55555 Nightwister. nt
deano64 (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:28PM EDT (link)Precinct Committeeman before it was cool.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Alexis De Tocqueville
The problem is that mileage varies for "fair and credible,"
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, October 27th at 12:51PM EDT (link)more so on the “fair” side than the “credible.” It seems to me that there are two essential divides on this question. The first is those who expect everyone to walk in lockstep regardless of personal moral convictions. I will never do that, and I object most vociferously to anyone telling me I must. I suspect that if we were more than 30 days away from the election you’d agree with that, and might even agree today. If you don’t, end of discussion cause neither of us is changing the other’s opinion.
That leaves the question of fairness. Some people would believe that suppressing certain information during a campaign is unfair. I haven’t followed the Maes-Tancradeo race, but based on the comments I’ve seen it seems to me that those backing Tancredo are essentially asserting that Maes won the race unfairly by suppressing certain information. I blame the LSM more than any of the candidates. They are the ones who are supposed to ensure the voting public gets the suppressed information so they can make an informed choice. By prostituting themselves to “social justice” they have have ceased to perform this critical function of our democracy.
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn . . .
america1st (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 9:44PM EDT (link). . . what letter is after the name as long as it is not a (D), an (S), and the candidate is the most conservative running with a realistic chance to win. This is why & where we disagreed before, Moe, when I said I’d not contribute to party campaign organizations, and this race is an excellent example.
I have NO loyalty to the GOP. Yes, I usually vote a straight Republican ticket, but all too often this is an exercise in voting for the least offensive choices. I’ve not seen a (D) in at least twenty years which I could stomach – much less support with my vote. Supporting a RINO / dimLite alternative goes against my grain much of the time, also, but I will, unhappily, if this is the only realistic choice I have. That’s why I skipped eating breakfast and placed a clothes pin on my nose before voting for McAmnesty in 2008 (the first in fact and the second figuratively). Actually I voted for Palin in hopes they would win & the stress of the office would put “Reach Across the Aisle” McAmnesty into cardiac arrest before he could do much damage playing nice-nice with the dimwits.
Maes is just another NY 23 type “Republican” – a dimLite who would run with pelosi if elected. We can do better and it seems most in the Colorado GOP have made a similar evaluation.
Again, candidates, not party. You can list as many as obscure (to the nation) yet deserving GOP candidates as you wish, but I will not donate $0.01 to any organization which advances candidates such as castle, specter and the like. On the important issues, they sell out conservatives – just as Maes & murky are doing now.
Logic in the mind of a liberal is like a snowflake in the desert: lost, alone and soon destroyed by a hostile environment.
Just voted
partyof1 Tuesday, October 26th at 11:48AM EDT (link)let’s make it happen
Erick isn't voting straight ticket
jackhammer Tuesday, October 26th at 12:02PM EDT (link)he should
No, he shouldn't, and nor should you.
jccbin (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:14PM EDT (link)Seriously, what part of taking back our country did you miss?
Screw the (R)s if they are not conservative.
No kidding!
congressworksforus (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:18PM EDT (link)No way in hell Mike “Rino” DeWine (OH, AG) gets any votes out of this household!
Remember, if the left wins, abortion will not only be legal, it will be mandatory.
So we'll mark you marginally pro-Democrat (nt)
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:23PM EDT (link)RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
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Let me just nip this in the bud right now [General observation].
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:26PM EDT (link)If you don’t want to support a particular Republican in the general election, fine: but stop using the term “RiNO” in comments to this thread. I find it offensive, particularly when it’s coming from people who don’t respect my party’s primary system sufficiently to abide by it.
Moe Lane
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mikerazar (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:33PM EDT (link)We have a nation to save, people.
Amen, Amen, Amen
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:34PM EDT (link)Here we are seven days out of salvation and we still have people who know what the right thing to do is, yet still are crying over the fact there guy did not win or that the candidate who did win is not pure enough.
Always comes from the ones who do little to help conservative causes, have no interest in running for office themselves, do not volunteer time to a conservative candidate, etc. They just want to bi*ch and complain that there is no one they like up for office and because of their “I won’t vote for him/her” attitude, we get another dem in office that votes for Reid or Pelosi as leader of the congress.
And we wonder why so many races are so tight when they should be Republican Blowouts. Heath Shuler holding the lead is a prime example…..
Seven days to Correction, Not Salvation
Superheater (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:21PM EDT (link)I think its important to remember 1994. Then like now, its a correction, not salvation.
Anybody who thinks that political office will not provide an opportunity for candidates to be seduced by the dark side after taking office, well then I refer you to one Senator Lindsey Graham.
Please, its the left that thinks of elections as canonizations. For us, its a job interview.
Give me a break
PowerToThePeople (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:28PM EDT (link)and try to not take things so seriously. If you need a pulpit to preach from, just set one up. No need to nitpick and find a pulpit when none existed.
I believe in one type of salvation and politics is not it. It was simply an over the top expression and nothing more.
But since your pulpit is set up, preach on. You may have a need to let some things out so do not let me be the one to stop you.
Thank God....
smitch61 Tuesday, October 26th at 12:04PM EDT (link)This bad weather out here is today and not next Tuesday……. It is bad here in MI, and quite a few other states…… Thank the good Lord it is today. I wish I could vote early but we do not have it here….
CONGRATULATIONS TO FORD MOTOR!
voting early?
Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:40PM EDT (link)with potential shenanigans by the left, is it recommended to vote on election day and not early if at all possible?
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
Good question.
uselogic Tuesday, October 26th at 3:21PM EDT (link)Wondered that myself. Vote early or vote on election day and keep an eye on said expected shenanigans?
Or, like I have been thinking about doing,
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 8:49PM EDT (link)vote early, then go to one of the polling places (not mine) where I might expect some untoward circumstances. Shenanigans is too nice a word for voter fraud.
Honestly, free and fair elections are such a hallmark of American life, I think committing fraud in an election is a serious affront to liberty and should be a capital offense.
No GM, GE, or any GSE for me.
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
Matthew 20:15 NIV
Or, like I have been thinking about doing,
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 8:49PM EDT (link)vote early, then go to one of the polling places (not mine) where I might expect some untoward circumstances. Shenanigans is too nice a word for voter fraud.
Honestly, free and fair elections are such a hallmark of American life, I think committing fraud in an election is a serious affront to liberty and should be a capital offense.
No GM, GE, or any GSE for me.
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?
Matthew 20:15 NIV
Straight ticket here
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 12:43PM EDT (link)Except McCain, who will win anyways (I’m writing in Goldwater).
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
aesthete does that give you some sort of
deano64 (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:02PM EDT (link)smug satisfaction? We all saw how well this tactic worked in the last Presidential election. We really showed em didn’t we…?? McCain won the primary and like it or not he’s our guy this time around.
Precinct Committeeman before it was cool.
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Alexis De Tocqueville
Well duh deano64
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:46PM EDT (link)Everyone knows that’s what voting’s about: making yourself feel good.
It’s not like there are national issues at stake or anything, forcing us to make the hard choices (which are really rather easy choices compared with those the founders made, but still).
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If he were really in trouble
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 6:45PM EDT (link)I’d pull the lever for him. Heck, if he had a 10-15 pt lead, I’d do it, just to be safe. (For crying out loud, I voted and campaigned for him in ’08.) As is, he’s going to win by 20+ points. I value my purely emotional vote for Goldwater far above making McCain’s victory margin even greater.
“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke
I voted straight ticket
distantvoter (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:21PM EDT (link)The Democratic brand is so badly tarnished it has to be completely rejected.
If I were in Colorado, I would vote Tancredo. He’s conservative, and a bigger rejection of the Democratic brand than Maes would be. And he has a chance.
And if I were in NY 19, I would vote for a pro-baby-killing Republican, simply because the Democrat is no better on that issue and worse on everything else, and because the Democratic brand has to be punished.
I’m not pro-Republican, because I don’t trust Republicans. But I’m more anti-Democrat than I’ve ever been in my life.
I waited in line to vote early
Russ Martin (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:30PM EDT (link)I voted at lunchtime last Friday and there was a line. I’m in one of the most conservative counties in Texas, so I take that as a good sign for the conservative GOTV.
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” George Washington
I voted straight ticket
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:48PM EDT (link)I’m a Republican. I don’t have to apologize for voting Republican.
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I used your ticket Neil for my neighbors Mom....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 1:51PM EDT (link)who was visiting from California, now she was in a different area, so we used the internet to help us with the rest, but your proposition picks and the major picks were easy enough and of course everyone else with an R behind their name was chosen, though she was curious about them and so I pulled them all up for her, so thanks for the help
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:00PM EDT (link)Those ballots are just so much work, so ma ny things to vote on
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Well spoken, Moe....Early voted twice yesterday,
olsmithie (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:08PM EDT (link)err, that is tho say the wife and I got our early voting done yesterday.
I even held my nose and voted for the Republican DA who has some rather nasty things hanging over his head from his last term. We’ll work on taking back the country first and deal with him later.
I am hearing many concerns about Republicans taking control, then backsliding to their old habits.
True, we can’t say for sure what some candidates will do once in office, but when compared to the Marxist candidates,( if I may use that term,)
we have little choice but to regain power and hope we can rein in the “mavericks” that want to go back to the old “moderate” Republican stance that put us in this situation to start with.
Regards,
Olsmithie
Only dems can vote straight ticket in NC
tngal (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 2:20PM EDT (link)Well, this reeks. A story in the New Bern Sun Journal says a Republican voter pushed a button at his electronic voting booth. The button would have voted down the republican line, giving him a straight ticket. Unfortunately….
” the voting machine screen displayed a ballot with all Democrats checked”
He tried again and he asked for staff help, but it still comes up all dem. Officials are said to be looking into the problem but consider how many people have already voted and maybe didn’t pay attention and just hit their one button and was out of there.
http://www.newbernsj.com/articles/machine-91656-screen-voter.html
Well one would HOPE....
Christine (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 3:04PM EDT (link)that given all the media coverage of voting machine issues, that people wouldn’t just push a button and walk out…especially if you are trusting one button to make a lot of voting decisions for you.
I haven’t used one of the new machines since I moved to a more rural area of NC, but I recall that 5 years ago there were several steps you had to go through which would hopefully force you to pay attention…
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
Well one would HOPE....
Christine (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 3:04PM EDT (link)that given all the media coverage of voting machine issues, that people wouldn’t just push a button and walk out…especially if you are trusting one button to make a lot of voting decisions for you.
I haven’t used one of the new machines since I moved to a more rural area of NC, but I recall that 5 years ago there were several steps you had to go through which would hopefully force you to pay attention…
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
we don't have those machines here either
tngal (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 4:03PM EDT (link)You have to go through every race. No wonder the guy’s upset. He’s also not buying the press release officials put out either. He was smart enough to look carefully. Hopefully others are being just as careful.
I got no way of telling if our machine records properly. Just a paragraph at the end that says your vote has been recorded but no paper trail or anything.
Regarding Redistricting Fetish
l7squared Tuesday, October 26th at 9:17PM EDT (link)I came across this site last spring.
http://www.redistrictinggame.org/
kind of fun …but something felt awkward.
I noted the name USCAnnenbergProject on first page. I have no idea if this is the same annenberg that bumped elbows w/ Wm Ayers, but it set the hair up on the back of my neck.
Then I saw FL amendments 5 and 6 and saw who was funding them. (SEIU being one of the largest contributers)
I decided then and there that although I may not always vote Republican, I would never cast another Democrat vote again.
Ever.
Exactly my sentiments. ~nt~
america1st (Diary) Tuesday, October 26th at 9:50PM EDT (link).
Logic in the mind of a liberal is like a snowflake in the desert: lost, alone and soon destroyed by a hostile environment.