Assange keeps digging Wikileaks’ grave.


Accused rapist Julian Assange* continued to justify the upcoming backlash against transparency this weekend by promising to illegally release more classified government documents on the notorious site Wikileaks.  These documents in particular are apparently State Department diplomatic cables: up until, oh, today, those documents were typically much more blunt and ambiguity-free than the standard State Department bumpf, mostly because nobody out there considered that anyone would be insane enough to release them even if they had access.  This will likely change – quickly – now that the diplomatic corps knows that its private communications are insecure; in other words, from now on the folks in the striped-pants brigade are going to be as mealy-mouthed in private as they are in public.  As Allahpundit noted above, the Left should keep this in mind when trying in the future to boost State at Defense’s expense: Assange just made that harder for you.

And I will also note that, while I will happily ding President Obama for both his wrong actions and for not living up to his own side’s previously-established standards of behavior, this line of attack by Wikileaks is made up of pure garbage designed to weaken both my country and my government.  The President needs his ambassadors to know what he wants; they need to be able to tell him what he can get.  So it’s stupid to not be blunt and forthright in private about matters that require a softer public touch. It’s even more stupid for Wikileaks to keep publicly attacking the USA like this.

Because when the backlash comes, it’s going to splatter.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*But never let it be said that I’m hardhearted: I’m going to no doubt feel really, really awful when Assange ends up committing what will be clearly suicide.


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Ignore partisan considerations...

Bham (Diary) Sunday, November 28th at 8:19PM EDT (link)

…for the moment. This is an attack designed to damage the United States, to harm all our interests.

With regard to previous Wikileaks of DoD material, it would appear that a likely suspect has been identified. However it seems unlikely this State Dept traffic would have passed through the same disloyal individual as the military communications.

How on earth could some disaffected traitor gain electronic access to 250 THOUSAND State Dept communications, unless he (or she) was in some pivotal, central capacity? It would seem like the list of suspects shouldn’t be too long. Unless, of course, this exposure represents shockingly incompetent security practices and procedures.

This breech seems quite serious and damaging. We’ve got to get to the bottom of the security failure(s).

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Here is the security failure

Jack_Savage (Diary) Sunday, November 28th at 8:46PM EDT (link)

That the same jackasses who were leaking like a broken pipe during the Bush administration were allowed to remain at their posts instead of being rooted out, put on trial and hung for treason. That goes for the military, the CIA and the State Department.

If Hillary can’t get it figured out, she needs to return to her duties of dragging Bill out of swinger parties.

State will probably hire Assange,

blooch Sunday, November 28th at 9:13PM EDT (link)

having not read the fable of Chris Soghoian and the FTC. The left has a soft spot for their wacky internet pranksters.

And Hillary will be leaving her post soon to tend to poor Bill and his ailing heart, which is going to get much worse early next year. He’s her ticket out of there, and this leak business may be the push she needs to punch it.

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I think you've got it Ollie.

grinlap Sunday, November 28th at 10:19PM EDT (link)

“Unless, of course, this exposure represents shockingly incompetent security practices and procedures.”

The guy that leaked the DoD documents was a PFC. It was probably a janitor that leaked the State Dept stuff.

Yet no one seems to blame Obama??? After all, he’s in charge and all this stuff went over the transom on his watch.

 
 

Because when the backlash comes, it’s going to splatter

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, November 28th at 8:23PM EDT (link)

I am shocked this has not already happened….

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 

Obama is getting what he wants

banzaibob (Diary) Sunday, November 28th at 8:27PM EDT (link)

Obummer wanted to take the country down a few notches and this is a great way to do it. I can believe the previous leak were down by the soldier but I think someone in the state department let all this out of the bag.

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The difference between Obama and a real American president

Jim Mullins (Diary) Sunday, November 28th at 8:42PM EDT (link)

A real president would have long ago ordered some black operations to permanently end the leaks and effectively deter others–regardless of where in the world they may be–from even thinking of doing this to our country in the future. Such black ops would likely have coincided with some very tragic accidents involving both the leakers and those who published the leaked secrets.

Black Ops commence on Monday January 21th, 2013

izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, November 28th at 9:06PM EDT (link)

http://daysuntil.com/Inauguration-President-US/index.html

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

Too late,

grinlap Sunday, November 28th at 10:20PM EDT (link)

there won’t be anything left to leak by then.

 
 
 

Another leftist on a mission

lgbpop Sunday, November 28th at 10:28PM EDT (link)

Who else would think like those who equated girls’ underwear on a terrorist’s head with torture, being ignorant of what real torture is? This is fairly innocuous stuff, by international diplomatic corps standards for most countries (imagine the faux pas from the French, or the sinister stuff from the Russians) but to an idealistic leftist – convinced that the USA is the most evil country on earth and on a mission to make it pure and transparent – these memos are fraught with diabolic scheming and must be revealed.

This isn’t Manning’s work, any more than the military stuff was. He’s a convenient scapegoat for the perp and for Assange to lay the blame on while they embarrass the USA. Some mid-level careerist screwed out of a promotion by Obama’s goons in State did this to show who’s boss. While airing out the dirty laundry, it appears little of earth-shattering import was released. There will be some red faces for certain, but the best part for conservatives will be just the opposite result desired by the leaker. US diplomatic staff will be even less effectual than in the past, since no one will trust them with information any more, and as a result military means will be utilized more to get our foreign-policy objectives realized.

 

There's screwing a corrupt politician (or other entity doing something *bad*) through making a leak...

anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Sunday, November 28th at 11:28PM EDT (link)

Then there is screwing all of Western Civilization because *you can*…

If ever there was a traitor to humanity wikileaks and anyone associated with supporting this scale of activity fits the definition.

I’m still surprised that some government (or even the Russians for a roundabout self interest motivation) hasn’t dealt with this guy (and his friends) after the fist big leaking. A lot of pain and suffering will come out of the propaganda and intel coup being handed over to the world by these lofty minded fools.

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rcov092 (Diary) Sunday, November 28th at 11:36PM EDT (link)

Why does Assange still draw breath? If it is too risky, we have friends that could take care of it for us. He is waging war on us. But then, Obama is probably not unhappy with the results.

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Legality

jarober61 Monday, November 29th at 12:20AM EDT (link)

Whether it’s wise for Wikileaks to publish this stuff is an issue worth debating; whether it’s legal or not was settled in the Pentagon Papers case.

Any US citizen who gave Wikileaks this stuff almost certainly committed a crime – but once they had the stuff, Wikileaks had as much right to publish as the Washington Post and NY Times did with the Pentagon Papers.

Add to all this that Assange is not a US citizen, and not under US jurisdiction. If you want the US government going after him, then I’d really love to know how you plan to respond when (insert some European government with hate speech laws here) goes after a US citizen for posting something they object to in a place their citizens can read.

No, they aren’t the same thing. But claiming US jurisdiction over Assange would open up a whole ton of cans of worms best left shut.

We absolutely should not claim jurisdiction and arrest him.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 12:35AM EDT (link)

We should kill him. Publicly.

Change

Eh. He's picked the softest of soft targets.

acat (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 12:40AM EDT (link)

The American Left won’t fight back unless some of the leaks expose more than just the White House to a risk of losing elections.

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And...

jarober61 Monday, November 29th at 12:53AM EDT (link)

When China decides that it’s open season on Americans doing muckraking reporting on China?

Exactly what defensive argument will you mount? That it’s different somehow?

More like

aesthete (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 12:58AM EDT (link)

China is welcome to try to interfere with the domestic policy of a large, well-armed country. Moral arguments aren’t particularly compelling for self-interested states.

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-P.J. O’Rourke

Well

jarober61 Monday, November 29th at 1:01AM EDT (link)

The point remains that targeted killing outside of war (we aren’t at war with the country Assange lives in) is a pretty stupid idea. There’s no upside, and plenty of downside.

As many other people have noted, Wikileaks just published this stuff – the important question is who provided it. Another important question, I think, is how much of it actually needed to be secret, but that’s another discussion entirely…

There is no downside at all.

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 1:06AM EDT (link)

It pisses off some diplomats and it sends a message.

Frankly, Bush should have empaneled a fed grand jury and called the entire executive suite at the NYT in to testify about who gave them top secret info. They would have declined to testify and they should have been found in contempt and sent to Gitmo. Or Romania.

We are at war. Just because Assange happens to live in a non-combatant country – although they do have troops in a war zone – is a meaningless exercise in geography.

Change

 

And if China catches NYT reporters stealing their

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 1:08AM EDT (link)

state secrets and shoots them, oh well. Oh what the heck, no self respecting US journalist would do anything to make an enemy of the US look bad. Your question is rhetorical.

Change

 

Agreed -- somewhat

aesthete (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 1:13AM EDT (link)

I don’t think that Assange should be killed, though I don’t have any moral hang-ups about it (he sure didn’t have a problem potentially sending Afghans and US soldiers to their deaths due to the info-dump he posted): he and his ilk simply aren’t the problem. I do think that the PFC who posted the info needs to be sentenced for treason, however, and that capital punishment or a similarly severe punishment needs to become the norm for leakers. (I would also agree that some of that information did not need to be secret, but as you say, an entirely separate discussion.)

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-P.J. O’Rourke

 
 
 

G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 2:28AM EDT (link)

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Have to agree

aesthete (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 12:55AM EDT (link)

From a pragmatic point of view, it probably isn’t wise to try to claim jurisdiction over Assange, and at any rate, Wikileaks is simply a clearinghouse for these secrets, not the group of persons who criminally revealed classified information. In a free society, the former will be difficult to control, at best, but the latter group is a group we can do significantly more about (by increasing penalties and suspending the quasi-legal leaks done by bureaucrats in the CIA, for instance).

Assange really is a piece of work, though.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

Yes, we can assert jurisdiction

Langley Monday, November 29th at 2:41AM EDT (link)

Just wanted to respond to the notion that Assange is “not under US jurisdiction” because he’s not a US citizen – this isn’t really true under recognized international law. The Protective Principle, used by the U.S. in the case United States of America v. Yousef by the 2nd Circuit in 2003, as well as other cases, grants jurisdiction to a state over non-nationals for acts done abroad that affect the security of that state. Such acts are not limited to those of “political purpose” and include those that are directed towards affecting that state’s “government functions” provided that the act is also contrary to the laws of that state.

Clearly, the acts of Assange and WikiLeaks here do affect U.S. security, are directed towards affecting our government functions, and are contrary to our domestic laws.

The Protective Principle is a matter of customary international law so it is not some minority doctrine that would be greatly opposed in the world community – ESPECIALLY since the acts of Assange affect not only our governmental functionality, but also that of many other states.

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Has Anyone Pointed Out to Mr Assange

reaganiterepublicanresistance Monday, November 29th at 1:03AM EDT (link)

that the CIA KILLS people for a living…?

It's simpler than that, we have friends in other parts

cactusjack Monday, November 29th at 7:52AM EDT (link)

of the world, limited by their own but not ourconstitutiional and executive orders, who would gladly off someone giving out state secrets that damage not only ours but their national security. A wink and a nod and he disappears. And don’t think he is pure as the driven snow. As we found with manhy of the “nuclear freeze” and “world peace” groups in Europe and NY City in the late 80′s, whom the MSM gave lots of airtime to, they were, in fact, undeniably. being funded by KGB and other front operatives. We know this from when the wall fell and lots of their agents came to work for us. My bet Assange getting some kind of support from the Chines(e. Just MHO, Neil and the board, not trying to get you guys in trouble.)

 
 

Unanticipated consequences may work to our advantage here

civil truth (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 1:28AM EDT (link)

Assange is an ideologue and leftist to that, which means he doesn’t think clearly about consequences.

1) At this point of the Obama administration foreign policy, these leaks will probably make us look better, not worse if they reveal to the world that we have some intelligent thinkers around rather than weak-willed syncophants.

2) He’s giving us a road map as to the vulnerabilities in our security systems.

3) If we win the White House in 2013, these leaks will give our President grounds to be able to clean out the State Department and rebuild from the bottom up.

In short, after some short term pain, we have a good chance of emerging stronger.

None of this negates the fate in store for Assange for his hostile actions against the U.S. Just pointing out that the outcome will likely not be what he envisioned.

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We should clean out the State Dept. and all the others, whether or no

Finrod (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 3:11AM EDT (link)

The first thing any incoming Republican President should do is to get rid of everyone in the bureaucracy that they can, excuse or no excuse. Better for positions to be vacant than to have holdover Democrats there that will sabotage us later.

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Secretary of State == John Bolton. nt

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 8:07AM EDT (link)
 
 

Why?

spinoneone Monday, November 29th at 2:01AM EDT (link)

Well, this time we get to get off the “Bush did it” theme and say, without a doubt, that it is an “0 did it” theme. As part of the “transparency in Government” idea that 0 brought in with him [and did not implement in other areas] the WH told State to set-up a server on which it could publish all of its cables, at and below the ‘secret’ level, so that they could be accessed by other Cabinet level departments and the intelligence community. They were told to go back three years so that the previous administration’s consultations would be available for review. Access was controlled by those departments/agencies, not the Department of State. That’s why, according to some, an Army PRIVATE could get on the server and set-up a BitTorrent file to publish the entire thing to either a specific point or the world.

 

Assange has a right to be a skank...

merryj1 Monday, November 29th at 2:08AM EDT (link)

As an Australian skank, he owes no allegiance to the US. The fact is, someone or multiple someones who DOES (or do) owe allegiance to the US has/have proven to be (a) Judas(es).

Each of the potential suspects is somewhere within a chain of command. The information leaked should indicate where, and the entire chain(s) should be suspended forthwith, and the barn door(s) belatedly locked down. Then let the games begin. Anyone failing a polygraph, gets to find out firsthand whether waterboarding is really “torture.”

US Constitutional rights do not apply to non-US citizens outside the US

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 2:49AM EDT (link)

For example, we don’t get warrants to tap foreign phones or put bugs in a hotel room somewhere.

So what source of “rights” are you referring to?

The last 10 years have done a lot of damage to how the Constitution was applied in situations of war and treason. The Founders would not have agreed that Assange has any rights—at least not under the US Constitution.

We may want to be respectful of the nation in which he resides for diplomatic reasons, but there are no rights prohibiting US action against him.

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All men are endowed by their Creator with these rights...

Beaglescout (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 3:06AM EDT (link)

That doesn’t say these rights are only for Americans. The specific American privileges are those connected to living in America, such as trial by jury.

However, when an enemy makes war against the US, by ancient treaty the US is allowed to make war back against that enemy. M. Assange might not like the result of that, any more than M. bin Laden will like it when he finally is caught in the blast radius of a MOAB, and wakes up in Hell.

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–Alexander Hamilton

As Judge Bork and Justice Scalia will tell you, the Declaration of Independence has no influence on how the U.S. Constitution is interpretted

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 3:46AM EDT (link)

The Declaration of Independence is aspirational only. Slavery was legal for more than a century despite the Declaration of Independence.

Does Assange have some moral rights generally speaking? Sure. But he has no rights under the U.S. Constitution.

You have proven my point without intending to do so.

Bork and Scalia would have laughed you out of the court room.

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

For an example of the most recent US Supreme Court case that came down before the Iraq/Afghanistan wars (which resulted in courts doing things to screw up the effort)

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 4:07AM EDT (link)

Check out the Verdugo-Urquidez decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Verdugo-Urquidez

Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

When it comes to rights, with which we were endowed by our Creator...

Beaglescout (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 12:29PM EDT (link)

These rights are included implicitly in the 9th and 10th Amendments. They were also included in Blackwell’s book on the Law, a copy of which stood on every other family’s bookshelves in Revolutionary times. It would have been well understood at the time of the Constitutional Convention what the inalienable rights were, and that the rights were possessed by all men. After all, tourists and even illegal aliens aren’t subject to legalized kidnapping, slavery, theft, or summary execution by Americans. They are still crimes when committed against non-Americans. So non-American persons they do keep their basic, inalienable rights when they enter America.

The reason rights weren’t explicitly covered in the Constitution is that the Constitution’s authors presumed that America would continue to use the Common Law and the Natural Law on which it was based. Nobody ever thought that statute law would replace this edifice entirely.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 
 
 
 
 
 

Lawmakers Call on Administration to Prosecute WikiLeaks, Designate as Terror Group

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 11:00AM EDT (link)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/29/lawmakers-administration-prosecute-wikileaks-designate-terror-group/

Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged

 

A few thoughts

freemanja1991 (Diary) Monday, November 29th at 11:59AM EDT (link)

Not usually a fan of the government crashing a web site, but i heard on the news the other day the government has the audibility to. But I’ll make an exception here. And in the CIA’s charter it says they have no jurisdiction in the USA. We to make it simple i think someone should watch their back. Or be hauled in on charges of espionage. And accessory to murder, for every soldier that has died since he leaked info.

 

He hasn't been charged with rape

paulv Sunday, December 5th at 4:30AM EDT (link)

He’s been charged with “sex crimes.” Slate reported recently that the law he’s being charged under concerns him not using a condom and not submitting to an STD test when requested, which is illegal in Sweden.