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No actual Presidential ‘evolution’ on SSM?

Both Andrew Malcolm and Allahpundit are looking somewhat… askance… at President Obama’s apparent “evolution” on same-sex marriage (SSM).  I put “evolution” in scare quotes because there’s no real evidence that he’s actually changed his official opinion on the subject in any way that matters: which should have been apparent from the fact that precisely zero action towards legalizing SSM has been proposed by the President.  Congress did pass a DADT repeal*, but there’s been no push for SSM.

And there’s a reason for that:

Bluntly?  While the population in general has shifted to disapproving of SSM only within single digits, African-Americans remain opposed to the policy by a two-to-one margin.  The President simply does not dare offend that particular demographic. If that means lying – which the President is doing – so be it.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*Last year I incorrectly predicted that there would be no movement on a DADT repeal before 2012.  Obviously, this was wrong – and equally obviously, I wish that I had seen this statistic at the time:

In fact, that might even explain some of the, ah, “unseemly haste:” if support for openly serving gays in the military is plummeting among African-American voters (while still being a net positive), the President may have panicked a little…

COMMENTS

  • irishfreedomfighter

    to believe that whites in America only oppose gay marriage by a +2 point spread. MAINE just voted to ban it, one of the whitest and most liberal states that there is. This is a trash poll if there ever was one.

  • irishfreedomfighter

    on earth gay marriage is only -6. How do you explain every single state voting it down (that voted on it), even California and Maine? 44% of whites and 30% of blacks support it? How did this happen?

  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    …before they commented on my posts, thanks.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • drewk

    but i don’t think obama fears the wrath of black voters at all on this issue. i DO think his position on gay marriage is mostly political, but it is more a play for independent voters (without regard to race). Black voters are going to vote reliably for Obama and other Democrats, and if they do dissent or neglect to turn out, it certainly won’t be because of a cultural issue like gay marriage.

  • Kyle-MI

    Because Obama is a black Dem, black voters will voter for him no matter what position he takes on any issue. Black voters do not care about issues.

  • califgal

    that no way in the world will blacks and libs fail to turn out to vote for Obama, no matter the state of things in November of 2012. Their greatest fear now is that if he fails to win a second term, the first black President of the United States will be viewed as a failure, something they feel will undermine his historic election. In their eyes, better he had never been elected at all as to have been elected and then defeated–they fear that would be a way for America to say,”There, see: Blacks really can’t be a successful as Whites.”

    After all, you know as well as I do that many Blacks who are nowhere near as left as Obama are still his ardent supporters. They will turn their backs on their own political beliefs in order to support him, no matter his positions. Race, not policies, comes first.

    About gay marriage–I used to be a ib myself so I know how they think, and many of my friends are still either fairly liberal or moderate Dems. They aren’t keen on gay marriage, but it will never be a defining political issue for them. However, here is one way of putting things to them that really gets them thinking. In fact, I have managed to change a few minds with this simple argument:

    If gay marriage is allowed, that means that when a child is available for adoption, the county adoption authorities will be forbidden to give preference to heterosexual couples–they will have to give equal “marks” to two men or to two women. For all we know, there may even develop a kind of affirmative action for gays when it comes to adoption since they will, no doubt, sue and claim that they are not awarded children as often as they should be.

    Liberal eyes grow large, and my friends begin to argue what everyone knows from all the social science studies that have been done: children who are raised with a mother AND a father are much less prone to criminal behavior, do better in school, and have fewer teenaged pregnancies. The stats are overwhelming.

    “Ah,” I answer, “but once you call a homosexual union “marriage”, you have placed it on the same legal and moral footing as the heterosexual union you call “marriage,” and once you have done that, you can no longer argue that the homosexual couple is somehow an inferior choice as parents to the hetero couple.

    They think long and hard about this and their expressions show that they don’t like the handwriting on the wall. Very few infants and young kids are available for adoption in this country, and all my friends seem very much aware of this. Almost all of them have someone in their family–a daughter, a son, a nephew ,a niece, a granddaughter, a grandson, who has tried to adopt through public agencies. They know the red tape, the interviews, the scarcity of kids, the plain hell these couples go through to adopt a child.

    That a man and a woman should have to compete against not just other hetero couples for a child, but also against couples who cannot provide the child with both a mother and a father seems absolutely the most unfair of situations. In this instance, even the most liberal of them has spurted out, “But the man and the woman make the most natural choice for the child.”

    Ah, yes, that word “natural” actually spews forth from the most liberal among them when this notion of the competition for the adoption of a child is put to them.

    I suggest that groups opposing gay marriage put this out there as often as possible. There are already pseudo-scientific studies out there that have been sponsored by GLTB groups. The studies argue that kids raised by lesbians actually do better in a number of areas than kids raised by hetero couples. On the science blogs, these “studies”" were derided for their small samples, their shoddy research techniques, their bias and their obvious political intent. Nonetheless, they are organized. The other side seems not to be.

  • tommyt

    Why do we care about Democrats? I am tired of the Conservative media always distracting us with stories on the Democrats. Yeah, yeah , yeah. We know that they are corrupt and liberal. Yada, yada, yada. Look at how corrupt they are.

    The Republicans are the problem. When they are constantly in bed with the Democrats on so many issues, it is hard for the electorate to distinguish between them. We are better off with clarity and purity. Dilution and agreement has been a failure. Stop the Democrat bashing. It is really getting tiresome.

  • gekster

    You are coming off as ranting.
    Add something to the debate.
    So far you havn’t said anything we don’t allready know.
    Your input will be better with a thoughtfull articulate reason of how you feel
    rather than spewing a rant..
    And keep on topic with the diary.
    Just some friendly advice.
    And welcome to Red State.. :)

  • jeffreywturner

    Black voters are more opposed to abortion than white voters as well, but that doesn’t stop Dems from pushing a hard-left abortion agenda.

    Black voters are also more receptive to prayer in schools and public displays of Christian symbols, etc., but that doesn’t deter Dems from their hard-left agenda on that front either.

    The truth is that as long as the Dems are the ones seen as being in favor of more generous entitlements, they will always get 90% of the black vote.

    The reason Obama doesn’t admit that he is in favor of same-sex marriage is clearly that he thinks it is a loser among white swing-voters.

  • Adjoran

    and one day may be able to slither out of the slimy muck onto land.

    Until then, he remains just cesspool-variety scum.

  • avgjo

    their views on this, because the homofascists are so vile in their response to opponents of ‘SSM’. For which, see the California church struggles with them. Notice too in Cali, the homosexuals didn’t go to black or Latino churches to disrupt service, because those folks are not politically correct, and the consequences would be very bad for the homofascists.

    If someone with a public platform had the guts to talk about the proclivities of those living the ‘gay’ lifestyle, to expose the villany of homofascists in the way they deal with their political opponents, the statistics involving health, crime and mental illness among homosexuals and the history of how homosexuality went from being a recognized personality disorder to an accepted ‘lifestyle’, you’d see an appropriate response in polls.

  • SirGladiator

    In the 2004 Presidential Election, President Bush received a much larger than usual percentage of the black vote in Ohio, due to the major Pro-Marriage campaign there. That was a key part of him narrowly winning the state, and with it re-election. It is true that most black voters vote Democrat no matter what, but there are a lot of black voters for whom issues like Marriage, and keeping America from turning into New Sodom, are actually more important than the Democratic Party, the Diarist is completely right about that. It played a huge role in our 2004 victory, and it could play a huge role again in 2012 if we as Conservatives choose to stand up for what’s right, as we did back then.

  • avgjo

    ‘[T]hey are organized.The other side seems not to be.’

    That’s it right there.

    Wanna stop the radical homosexual agenda? Organize.

  • johnt

    Think of it as vanity children, a cutsey thing to do & a new type of role modeling.

  • victrola

    It’s an unfortunate trait of the black community, but they always circle the wagons around people who don’t deserve it. See Marion Berry and Charlie Rangel for some examples.

    What Obama IS afraid of offending is the white Reagan Democrats in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania.

    Republicans should stop worrying about the black vote (by softening their stances on issues like affirmative action) and instead focus on the true swing voters that decide elections which are working class Reagan Democrats and suburban women.

  • irishfreedomfighter

    start fighting back, and getting the real message out. I’m sick of having to explain to my five year old sister why there are two seemingly anorexic men kissing each other in the mall when I’m walking her through her favorite toy store. It’s ridiculous and sick.

  • runner12

    someone yesterday along these lines. There is really no other explanation for his behavior given how Left-leaning he is. The reality is that while many African-Americans still are favorable to him, he would lose them in droves with same-sex marriage. There must be truth in this statement or he would not be acting the way he is.

    The reality is that Rev. Wright and is kind are Leftist in almost every sense of the word, they still do not look favorably upon gay marriage (don’t get me started on all of the other immoral junk they are willing to ignore). This is the venue through which Obama gained his support and backing. He knows that if he even a crack is seen in this base, you can stick a fork in him because he will be done. I think that there is a lot of truth in this diary. Although I also agree with other posters that among white independents this would not play well. The bottom line- it is an unpopular move no matter which demographic you look at.

  • avgjo

    disgusting that children should even have to be aware of this.

    Liberty Council had made the news on this, as they have sworn to undo DADT. But we have to go further. We need to teach these people as a society that what they do in private is their business, and we don’t want to know what they’re doing, but we also don’t want to hear/see/have forced on us their behavior.

  • avgjo
  • luciusacius

    The image of John Kyl and Barney Frank in bed put me off food for days.