Antiwar left tries to get piece of Known & Unknown action.


While the exceptionally sad and silly nature of the organized antiwar movement is of course obvious to anyone with a functional notochord, it’s not as common to see their favorite political pornographers sink to their level.  After all, said pornographers are self-aware parasites – and as such are almost required to be smarter than their victims.  But every so often you encounter one who forgets the first rule of the successful drug dealer: Don’t sample your own merchandise – and they get hooked.

So we see here with “Donald,” which is a quote-unquote satire of former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s book Known and Unknown: A Memoir.  To be published by McSweeney’s, the opening is described by the Washington Post as follows:

It opens with Rumsfeld reading in a library. He is soon confronted by an angry young man that questions the way military prisoners were treated while he was secretary of defense. Two chapters later, several men break into Rumsfeld’s house and threaten to kill his sleeping wife if he opens his mouth. The intruders then wrap his head in a hood, cut off his clothes, put him in a diaper, and inject him with something that makes him pass out. He awakes handcuffed in a strange room.

Now, I know what the doofuses who wrote this – and the goofballs at McSweeney’s who are publishing them – are trying to say, here: “Wouldn’t it be great if we could arrest the Don Rumsfeld in our head and do to him all the things that we think about, late at night, when the pounding in our temples won’t let us sleep*?”  What they are actually saying is “We’re too afraid of a seventy-eight year old with shoulder and hip injuries to face him down in public.**”

And, oh yes: “This conceit of ours shows that we think that American soldiers are war criminals who will murder old women to get their way.  And so does McSweeney’s, our publisher.”

I’d say that you’ve gotta love these people, except that thankfully you don’t.  But with any luck this is a harbinger for good sales for Rumsfeld’s book.  These sorts of things often are.

Moe Lane (crosspost)

*Yes, that’s kind of disturbing all on its own.  Antiwar activists, remember?  These people have issues, subscriptions, and complete print runs that have been specially bound.  All self-published, of course: they’re kind of market failures that walk, talk, and theoretically think.

**Which is smart of them, because Rumsfeld wouldn’t even bother to kick their [expletive deleted].  He’d just ignore them utterly.


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It's well past time...

DerKrieger (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:33PM EDT (link)

…that we seek out these fools, put the spotlight on them and embarrass the heck out of them. We must use the Leftists’ tactics against them: identify your target, personalize it, destroy it.

They’re such easy targets, it just takes effort.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

 

One thing the anti-war left fails to grasp is that the right is just as anti-war.

gekster (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:41PM EDT (link)

No one wants to fight a war.
It’s just that those on the right realise that sometimes it is necessary
to keep us and others safe and free..

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

"to keep us and others safe and free"

aesthete (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:43PM EDT (link)

When did it become the responsibility of the US military to serve anyone but the citizens paying its bills?

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Well, I guesse I am wrong.

gekster (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:48PM EDT (link)

I suppose it would be ok with you if the French were now speaking German, and the Phillipinoes were speaking Japanese.
And that there would be one Korea under the communists instead of a free South Korea.
Yes, I must be wrong.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

kowalski: And that little bastion of communism in the Caribbean,

gekster (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:59PM EDT (link)

Granada.
I bet those people wish we hadn’t showed up.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

I think his point...

DerKrieger (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 11:08PM EDT (link)

…is that in spite of our claims that US forces are keeping us free by serving in Hell holes around the world, are they really? Perhaps they’re taking the fight to the enemy so they can’t attack us on our own soil but our freedom isn’t endangered by the Taliban. And I say this as a Navy EOD veteran who would prefer to just nuke the entire Mideast rather than lose a single American life fighting for bass-ackward tribal, 7th century primitives who will revert to their old ways as soon as we leave.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

And what did those bass-ackward tribal Taliban do on 9/11.

gekster (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 11:16PM EDT (link)

And they did it before we were there.
And if I remember right, thats why we are there now.
They had no reason, no legitamate claims to attack us.
Pretty damaging for 7th century, wouldn’t you say.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

Seeing as how the Germans, Japanese

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 12:12AM EDT (link)

and Al-Qaeda declared war on us and were threats to our national interests, I’d point out that those were self-interested actions in service of the taxpayer. Or did you think that the US government declared war on Germany and Japan because they were human rights violators? Because I’ve got news: there are scads of countries out there that violate human rights daily to the extent that Germany and Japan did. Are we going to go to war to defend the freedom of the Saud woman, which is unquestionably being violated (both literally and figuratively)? Should we go on the warpath to secure the freedoms of the non-Arab Sudanese in Darfur who are being slaughtered and raped by the thousands, as many left-wing activists have called for? Shall we go in crusading spirit to the Democratic Republic of Congo to take out the Lord’s Resistance Army, which has terrorized the citizens in the country and prevented the formation of democratic norms for decades? How about Zimbabwe? What of Liberia? The Balkan states? I can keep going, but you get my point. We’re not going to invade those countries and try to fix them, and for good reason: our resources are not limitless, nor are solutions to these problems just, easy, or costless.

Foreign policy that does not have the US’ interests as its motivator is flawed, because it is limitless and does not recognize the constraints that the world on countries even as great as the US. If along the way we can liberate people from tyranny, that’s great, but should be far from a prerequisite or aim. In practice, such intentions result in Somalia-like situations, or at best, Kosovo-like endgames: let’s not delude ourselves into believing that we can transform other countries and resolve their problems.

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

I do agree that Americans sometimes get the following concepts mixed up

JSobieski (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 12:31AM EDT (link)

(1) The US being justified in intervening
(2) The US being prudent in intervening

Every criticism of military intervention is not from the standpoint of Code Pink or the hate America crowd. Nor are all criticisms of US military interventions based on selfish isolationism.

I have been more critical than many here about Iraq and Afghanistan once the Constitutions of both nations included the provisions about nothing contradicting Islamic law. In my view, those Constitions are a poison pill—a evil seed that only requires a bit of water for AQ version X to pop up at some time in the future. Look at the murder of that truly moderate governor in Pakistan. He wanted to parden a woman sentenced to death for “Insulting Islam”. Whether its the “moderate” clerics or the “moderate” lawyers in Pakistan, all of the various groups seem to be painting the assassin as a hero and the killing as a Godly killing.

A western country couldn’t nation build in a place like Pakistan without using a level of ruthlessness that even the English or French in their nastiest could ever have done. Afghanistan is weaker, but no less twisted. In Afghanistan, people have been sentenced to life in prison for crimes like converting to Christianity.

The point is that I always want the US to win. I can also justify virtually any use of military force by the US to be in the name of freedom and human rights. We are morally justified when we use force because we aren’t seeking land or treasure—we would like to help make the world a place where American GIs would never have to return. We are unique in how we use the military and our military is unique amongst the armies of the world.

All of that being said, we don’t have an obligation to stop every evil doer in the world, and nor have we ever had the capacity to do so. We need to pick and choose our battles, and pick and choose our tactics. Everything we do military is morally justified, but that doesn’t make things smart or prudent.

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5 Thank you.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 12:44AM EDT (link)

nt

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

I believe that what our military does

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 1:07AM EDT (link)

is morally justified, as an entity. I do not think that our foreign policy is obligated to follow a form of morality when it comes to how we choose our targets or how we execute our wars. If it is, then this moral maxim must be followed consistently (in which case, we will never be out of war, as even the most wishy-washy moral maxim will be broken by any number of nation-states), regardless of its connection to our national security, in much the same way that we as Christians must hold telling the truth above our own personal well-being. IOW, we must choose morality or our own nations’ own interests, otherwise the morality was not binding in the first place and this, not a true form of enduring morality. I choose national self-interest: our country is moral, and the outcome of a successful war that furthers our self-interest is one which I have no problem with (at least not compared to the problems I have with countries wasting lives in the fruitless pursuit of morality in the international sphere).

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

 

VERY nicely stated - Bravo! ~nt~

america1st (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 10:51AM EDT (link)

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Logic in the mind of a liberal is like a snowflake in the desert: lost, alone and soon destroyed by a hostile environment.

 
 

Thats not what I said.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 12:35AM EDT (link)

And Germany never atacked us in WWII until after we got involved.
So by your standards we never should have got involved.
Tell me why we did.
And Germany wasno threat to us or the US taxpayers in WWI.
Tell me why we got involved in that one.
Was it because we went to keep an allie free and safe.
But those two wars are ok with you.
And I never said anything about human rights violators.
That is something you brought up.
If that was the case, we would have followed Patton into Russia, and McCarther into China.
Do I see a little RP sneeking out in you?

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

Not even a little bit.

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 12:47AM EDT (link)

And WWI was a completely unnecessary war that we shouldn’t have taken part in. Germany both declared war on us, attacked our shipping routes in WWII, and was an existential threat to our strong allies. If you don’t base the rightness of a war by whether the enemy is unjust, what are your criterion for whether or not the US should sacrifice the lives of our best?

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

Your right.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 1:05AM EDT (link)

If we hadn’t got involved in WWI, then Germany would have a Soviet style hold on Europe, and WWII in the European theater would not have been necesarry .
And more than just the French would be speaking German.
I see what you mean.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

Glad that you can peer

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 1:16AM EDT (link)

into the future with such accuracy, friend :) Neither side had a lead commanding enough to allow Germany that sort of power in Europe: the US entered the war as Germany was starting to lose, so the concept that Germany would have had a Soviet-style hold over Europe is dubious. You still haven’t told me what criterion you use to determine what is or is not an acceptable conflict for Americans to die in (or be forced to die in, if we factor in the draft).

“It is a popular delusion that the government wastes vast amounts of money through inefficiency and sloth. Enormous effort and elaborate planning are required to waste this much money.”
-P.J. O’Rourke

If Germany was losing, why were we needed.

gekster (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 1:29AM EDT (link)

Why did we get involved.
My criterion, our national interests, and our allies national interests.
On the top of my head, Kosovo was not one we should have got involved in.
We were goaded into it, and Clinton wanted to look tuff.
That one was unnecessary on our part.
That is one Europe should have handled by it’s self.

I say lets agree to disagree.
No need to barb at each other.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 
 
 
 
 

It's best not to cherry pick your historical facts.

The_Gadfly (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:09AM EDT (link)

You have to take them warts and all. And the fact is, Germany and Japan declared war on the US because Roosevelt already had us in an undeclared war against them well before they made their declarations.

Now, I happen to believe this is one of the rare instances where Roosevelt did the right thing even if it was for the wrong reasons. (I’m of the opinion he did it because his ego was too big not to be a player in The Great Game, not because of any real geopolitical implications.) If he had not undertaken the actions he did, Germany most likely would have conquered Europe and Japan the Pacific. After which they most likely would have taken a strategic pause. During the pause if we didn’t accept a subservient position to them, they probably would have attacked us. Either way, the US would have been subservient to a Nazi regime. But none of that changes the fact that we artificially provoked them into declaring war because it was the only way to overcome the isolationists.

 
 
 
 
 

Allies, treaties, you know...

Jack_Savage (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:51PM EDT (link)

..all that old stuff.

And in the spirit of Erick’s recent admonition, I think I’ll go have a beer with Aaron now.

 

About the time this guy showed us how.

Tbone (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:51PM EDT (link)

Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de La Fayette

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

Nobody said it was

Neil Stevens (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:56PM EDT (link)

It’s just a choice Americans make to live in a safer, freer world.

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent...

acat (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 11:34PM EDT (link)

The competent get to it much sooner, so use less.

– Asimov

Always liked that quote… brings home the idea that sometimes violence is the answer, and that postponing its’ use can sometimes bring worse consequences…

A. Cat

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 

They've got you where they want you!

Addison (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 10:58PM EDT (link)

Well, I think that to some degree you’ve missed what they’re trying to say. They hope that people will recoil at the book’s contents, waiting with bated breath for the adjectives “disturbing” or “despicable” or “disgusting” to be used by a critic so that they can jump on the critic with a “well, that’s exactly what the United States is doing! Ah-HA!” And then stare wide-eyed at the critic for a few smug seconds waiting for, I don’t know, the universe to smite a person they believe they’ve caught in a hypocrisy. Then will come an as yet undetermined step two. Then victory (and by victory I mean, I guess, immediate withdrawal from all wars, everywhere). After that, well, once the United States unilaterally ends its military engagements the world will instantly become a harmonious utopia, right? Right?

You see now how they’ve got you where they want you.

it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

 

Senator Biden...

bobmontgomery (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 11:21PM EDT (link)

…was either chairing or ranking some Defense Committee during the Iraq War when he very derisively admonished a witness before the committee “Don’t pay any attention to Rumsfeld. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about.”

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
George Washington

"He doesn’t know what he’s talking about..."

jdw4america (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 11:43PM EDT (link)

is a situation with with ‘ole joey is quite intimate.

Anytime a moron feels intimidated by you, it’s a good day

 
 

"anti-war" left? I think you mean members of the Democrat

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:11AM EDT (link)

Party don’t you? I mean there was something called the anti war left during the Republican Administration of President George W Bush however since the election of the Democrat President there has been nothing of the sort. The Code Pinks etc were nothing more then street theater players of the Democrat Party. They folded up shop and went back to their lives being members of the Democrat Party and war loving citizens the moment their President was elected.

The violence of course against Rumsfeld in their pathetic book is part and parcel of the violence that slithers through the Democrat Party as a whole, they are a sick and twisted group of people, ALL OF THEM!

kowalski.....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:20AM EDT (link)

they are nothing more then HYPOCRITES! well they are Democrats so that reason’s to follow.

 
 

Hey, Moe -

america1st (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:20AM EDT (link)

Your observations are always interesting, but today I learned a new word, also. Have never seen / heard “notochord” before . . . very useful in describing the proto-life forms afflicted with the mutated gene of liberalism. Thanks!

Logic in the mind of a liberal is like a snowflake in the desert: lost, alone and soon destroyed by a hostile environment.

 

Gosh - such violent fantasies from a supposed pacifist...

anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 12:12PM EDT (link)

Makes me wonder if they’re really sane or just pretending…

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