White House to try the same thing again…


…in the hopes that this time, it’ll be different.  The ‘Benjamin Button’ reference made by Ronald Brownstein below is in reference to the GOP’s policy agenda, which is pretty explicitly to reverse all of the catastrophic features of  President Obama’s policy agenda: the conceit is that we’re going to have the same debates over again.  And Brownstein reports that this is just fine with the White House, for some reason:

…early indications are that the White House also sees these Benjamin Button debates as a chance to take the offense for 2012—and to launch a renewed and reframed effort to contrast Obama’s vision of government’s role with that of the ascendant congressional Republicans. As David Axelrod, Obama’s chief White House political strategist, argued in a recent interview, 2010 unfolded largely as a referendum on Obama’s performance, but in 2012 “voters will be faced with a choice. And I view that as an opportunity.”

You know, there’s a meme called ‘framing’ which is very popular among my opposite numbers on the Left.  It’s a viciously seductive concept that derives its power from telling liberals and progressives, essentially, that the ongoing rejection of their pet policy positions by the public is due primarily because they simply haven’t found the right rhetorical angle with which to present their case.  I love framing.  I want to meet the person who managed to infect enough Democrats with this meme to reach the critical threshold of delusion, and send him/her a fruit basket.  Framing has done more for the GOP than anything else that I can think of, and stories like the above is why.

You see, here is the great dilemma of the past two years of the Obama administration: it has been bad at popularizing its message, while being convinced that it is actually good at it.  That delusion apparently finally got disproved to even the White House with the shellacking back in November, but that will be cold comfort to the Left if the President learns the wrong lesson from it.  If he decides that the problem isn’t in the message itself, but just its presentation… well.

Here, let’s go with a tortured analogy.  Let us say that the Obama administration had decided to run the country for the last two years under the assumption that red is actually green.  This assumption makes sense to that proportion of the population that is red-green colorblind; the rest of the population finds it confusing, given that the President never actually campaigned on this issue.  As a result of this policy, the country has seen a 10,000% increase in work and car accidents: widespread disruptions in the agricultural industry; and Christmas going beige… so the Republican party ran in 2010 under the simple message of Actually, red is red and green is green, with the result that the House flipped, the Senate almost flipped, and state governments went Republican across the country.  The great danger for the Democrats in this scenario is that the President might end up deciding that he had not adequately made it clear to the American people that he thinks that red is actually green.

Which – to leave the tortured analogy behind – is what the President is threatening to do now.  Because in 2010 the voters were actually offered a choice then, too: and they made it.  The Democrats just don’t like the choice that was made.  And if they try the same thing again in two years, with the same people making the same arguments, they won’t like the choice that will be made in 2012, either.

Moe Lane (crosspost)


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Isn't the definition of insanity....

gekster (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 1:48PM EDT (link)

doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

I’ve gone from
“Hope and Change” to
“Hopeless and Changeless”

 

Keep talking, BOzo

frankieb (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 2:05PM EDT (link)

And one day you may actually say something worth hearing. So far, though …

Books … the most exotic, least expensive vacation: www.DelphiBooks.us

www.DaughterOfTheGreatDepression.blogspot.com

Claire McCaskill goes in so many directions, it’s amazing she hasn’t drawn and quartered herself. www.TruthAboutClaire.com

who are you calling Bozo? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:33PM EDT (link)

Is Bozo a "name"? and after 11 months....LOL. nt

audax (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:01AM EDT (link)

Audeamus pro audere est facere

 

Obama I hope (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 4:10AM EDT (link)

RS contributing editor and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

Yes, Obama

frankieb (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:42AM EDT (link)

BO(his initial)zo for the clown.

Sorry for any confusion!!!

Books … the most exotic, least expensive vacation: www.DelphiBooks.us

www.DaughterOfTheGreatDepression.blogspot.com

Claire McCaskill goes in so many directions, it’s amazing she hasn’t drawn and quartered herself. www.TruthAboutClaire.com

 
 
 
 

Give 'em more rope

pastisprolog Friday, January 7th at 2:27PM EDT (link)

I won’t point anyone to the source unless asked, but there is a defense of communism available online that explains that the failures of all past efforts is because it has been impossible to accurately predict and plan every aspect of economic need and activity for everyone in an economy. Well, obviously! The speaker then goes on to say that computer systems will, in the future, allow governments to accurately predict and plan every apect of economic need and activity and so there will be no more reasons not to convert to communism.

As Ronald Reagan said, to control an economy, you have to control the people. I ask people who watch this with me if they like the idea of a computer program telling them with force of law what to learn, where to live, what to eat, what to work at, where to work and how to get there, how much to earn, where and when to vacation, and so on.

Truly dedicated progressives, bless their bee-like souls, think this is great. But everyone else recoils in horror at the prospect of surrendering every feature of personal liberrty over to commands issued by a computer, even or especially one run by government.

Let progressives keep making their case. The more details they reveal, the worse progressivism looks.

My plans for the coming utopian age aren't like that at all.

gamechange11two Friday, January 7th at 4:19PM EDT (link)

I’m going to be following the perpetual Grateful Dead/Phish revival tour in my Prius Microbus with my New Age Earth Mama, while both of our monthly allowance credits pile up.

I was part of a focus group on retirement and health care benefits and the moderator didn’t say or do anything to indicate that I should be making other plans.

 

Thdere's a movie out on this subject...it's called "The Rise O The Machines"

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:36PM EDT (link)

Heck…it is computer models that have been used to predict global warming….

how long before computers are telling us there are two many of us and the machines will have to eliminate half of us for our own good….

or maybe said computer will tell us we all have to die…”for the children”

MarkTwain 3

 
 

Bring. It. On.

swami7774 (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 3:09PM EDT (link)

Really, libs, it was just bad salesmanship that led to your demolition last fall.
Really.

Today, there is a name for the political doctrine that rejoices in scarcity of everything except government. The name is environmentalism.

 

thoughts of Abraham Lincoln

jeffersonradical (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 4:06PM EDT (link)

How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.
Abraham Lincoln

 

Statism is a Religion

Superheater (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 4:26PM EDT (link)

To understand the left, you need to understand that statism is a religion. If you don’t think so, consider the typical elements of religion. There is a deity(ies)-in this case, the state, clerics, zealots, venerables, shrines, rituals a creed…it’s all there. It also explains why the left is so adamantly opposed to faith in a supernatural divinity, as the creator of their god, they must defend it from rivalry and subordination.

Government healthcare is the holiest of holys for the left, a key component of the heaven on earth they are convinced they can bring about once they have subjected us to their benevolent subjugation. They will not give it up easily, Obamacare is the “Star of Bethlehem” they sought for a century-they see it as a sign of the coming of the omnipotent state. If you don’t want this, only three things can be true-you are evil, stupid or insufficiently evangelized.

Every time I watch “The Ten Commandments”, I realize how immutable human folly really is-nobody is hammering out golden calves in the desert anymore, the newest masters of the “temple arts” are hypergraphics who work with pens and word processors to cobble ponderous tomes into legislation. The greatest folly is not realizing we are no different than those folks leaving Egypt so long ago.

All hail the good and holy state-the state knows all and it loves you.

Wrond...Abortion is the holy of holies for the liberal mind...

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:41PM EDT (link)

government health care is the show bread in the tabernacle.

aside from those quibbles…you’re dead right…

hosanna

MarkTwain 3

ohh...and on the ten commandments movie...they are yearning to return to Egypt

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:43PM EDT (link)

at least in Egypt we had bread to eat!

MarkTwain 3

 
 

Actually, It's a Cult. (nt)

IJB Friday, January 7th at 8:43PM EDT (link)
 

In the 11th year of the Bush Presidency,

Tbone (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 4:29PM EDT (link)

I see that Nancy Pelosi is now blaming Bush for the Democrats defeat.

GWB is a very powerful man.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

not bad for a bafoon aye? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:43PM EDT (link)
 

Nothing new

jeffersonradical (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 4:33PM EDT (link)

It has worked for years Oboma care was sold exactly how the mill stone of Social Security was sold to your Grate Grand Parents, do you think they would have agreed to putting the millstone of Social Security around your necks if they would have understood the stress that it would put on the lives of their Great Grand Children. In high school it would work string together irrelevant related facts and a there for and most would agree that is what the left is trying to do baffle us with bull sh__. History in the United States and overseas has shown no mater what the good intentions of government it cannot provide anything for the masses over an extended amount of time but national defense with a positive outcome.

 

Axlerod and the Prez are actually onto something, Moe.

romeg Friday, January 7th at 5:08PM EDT (link)

That they are terrible at messaging while being perceived as good at it is what got Obama elected. He made it abundantly clear, to those of us actually paying attention, just Who he was and What he was about all throughout his public career. But the MSLM focused, quite narrowly, on the ONLY thing that mattered to them: The Color of his Skin. Everything else was mere window dressing.

In just two short years, the electorate actually got to SEE the results of their folly and decided to make a mid-course correction and the unwinding of this legislative debacle is the consequence.

“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

 

The White House strategy should be pretty clear, Moe

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 5:48PM EDT (link)

Since they can no longer score any legislative achievements, (a vast amount of socialist work already accomplished) they need to convince whoever will listen that they’ve found God, with more moderate faces out front, across the board.

This signals at least another Obama run (subject to change WON), so worth watching. Look for the fight to move to the executive pen.

VB

 

you got to love the libs

edwyrd (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:09PM EDT (link)

the blind sheperd leading his flock over a cliff, only the proverbial lambs are checking out the plunge and deciding that maybe this pasture is just fine. but rhe blind dude, he just keeps marching! “maybe, they just don’t hear me.” WHOMP! over the cliff the sheperd goes! behind him all the lambs stand on their hind legs, slapping high fives, “we should have pushed him over sooner”, they baaaa. we are at the push moment here. the dems are truely LOST. we wrap obamacare around their necks with their insane mary todd lincoln spending, and hang them with it! us lambs have had it. it time to baaaaaa!

“but men are different, they propound mathmatical theorms in beleaguered cities, conduct metaphysical arguments in condemned cells, make jokes on scaffolds, discuss the last new poem while advancing to the walls of quebec and comb their hair at thermopylae. it is our nature!
—C.S Lewis, weight of glory

 

Shhh lets find the guy or gal and send them a fruit backet....heck...let's give them a lifetime of free meals at Chillies

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:31PM EDT (link)

but keep it quiet….let’s not tip the White House off to the fools errand they are engaged in…

heh

MarkTwain 3

 

Send the fruit basket to George Lakoff (rhymes with)

WarEagle01 (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:37PM EDT (link)

http://levellers.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/framing-moral-debates-the-work-of-george-lakoff-for-progressives/

“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg

“The alternative to the awful extremity of abortion is the indispensable joy of introducing this flawed world to someone who might make it better.”–John Hayward (AKA Dr. Zero)

 

And these Dems think **we're** stupid? nt

chbroussard (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 7:58PM EDT (link)

Berkeley . . .

georgeinla (Diary) Friday, January 7th at 11:08PM EDT (link)

“I want to meet the person who managed to infect enough Democrats with this meme to reach the critical threshold of delusion, and send him/her a fruit basket.”

. . . that would be Dr. George Lakoff, Professor of Linguistics at the University of California at Berkeley:

In Don’t Think of an Elephant: Know Your Values and Frame the Debate (2004), Lakoff argues that far too often conservatives win because they successfully “frame” the debate in their terms and liberals and progressives end up playing on their turf.

Hi. I am a moby Greenie lawyer from Los Angeles who was not nearly smart enough to hide my tracks. Please assess my opinions accordingly.

 

It is still dangerous because the Dems

bobbymike (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 8:51AM EDT (link)

get total media message support and there is still close to half the electorate who are, sorry to say, stupid, well maybe ignorant is a better word.

Now we know here at RS that framing for the left is LYING but if all you hear from the MSM is the Dms are good and the Reps are bad you have them still in the senate majority and not totally wiped out in the house.

So I agree with everyone’s initial reaction of “it will never work” but we should never let down our guard and in fact redouble our efforts to educate the electorate on Constitutional and conservative principles.

preaching to the choir

edwyrd (Diary) Saturday, January 8th at 9:40AM EDT (link)

cleve to what is good, abhor evil….

“but men are different, they propound mathmatical theorms in beleaguered cities, conduct metaphysical arguments in condemned cells, make jokes on scaffolds, discuss the last new poem while advancing to the walls of quebec and comb their hair at thermopylae. it is our nature!
—C.S Lewis, weight of glory

 
 

Air the filth out, vermin can't stand daylight and

johnt Saturday, January 8th at 10:23AM EDT (link)

stupidity never learns. Someday I will have to discover what it takes to be a Democratic strategist {??]. The fool Axelrod didn’t notice that they have just lost 63 House seats, neither has The O ?
Keep it up and 2012 may be even better then 2010 for Normal People
These creatures live totally in the cocoon of the media, who are as crazy as they are.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

Pot, kettle both black

leadpipe Sunday, January 9th at 11:02AM EDT (link)

Moe Lane seems to miss the irony of his headline. The Republicans have had 65 days to come up with a plan to help small business create more jobs, define how to make government smaller, improve health care delivery, etc.. Have you heard of any outline or narrative that address the enormous issues we have today? Do they have any ideas or are they still figuring out how to frame them.

they have been scereaming from the rooftop

edwyrd (Diary) Tuesday, January 11th at 6:00PM EDT (link)

but neither the press or the congress, or you, apparently, have been listening. lets see, fair tax, tort reform, interstate ins sales, and on and on and on

“but men are different, they propound mathmatical theorms in beleaguered cities, conduct metaphysical arguments in condemned cells, make jokes on scaffolds, discuss the last new poem while advancing to the walls of quebec and comb their hair at thermopylae. it is our nature!
—C.S Lewis, weight of glory